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February 6th, 2023


It's our 100th episode and that's a big deal. A lot can happen over the course of 100 episodes. Join me for a retrospective of what I have learned through the the process of researching, producing and promoting that …

Honest Abe in Bleeding Kansas

January 23rd, 2023


Before he was on the Five Dollar Bill, before his words were memorized by schoolchildren through the decades and before he was hailed as the Great …

Wakita: A No Twister Zone

January 9th, 2023


Magic as a tornado precaution? Tiny Wakita, Ok was blown away in the 1996 Blockbuster Twister but a spell by an Old Cherokee has kept the place tornado free since 1893.

A special thanks to storm chaser …

The Whirlwind Wedding

December 26th, 2022



This week I let a friend tell the story of his parent's whirlwind wedding that involved a ring locked away in a bank vault, a Billy Graham Crusade …

The Most Famous Reindeer Of All

December 12th, 2022


We've all sung it, the second most played Christmas song of all time, but few know the story behind Rudolph, The Red-Nosed Reindeer. From a random …

The Farm Boy Who Found A Planet: Clyde Tombaugh

November 28th, 2022


A tale with a lost opportunity for a college education, a one-way ticket to Flagstaff, Az. and the fate of a planet! Hear the amazing and inspiring  …

Granddad's Prayer

November 21st, 2022


Thanksgiving is about family and blessings. Here's a tale from my youth about one of the greatest men I ever knew and the blessing he was to me. This …

Two Is Enough...Or Is It?

November 9th, 2022


Every region of the country has it's take on place names. In Oklahoma, it's a safe bet that our unusual place names had their start as a word in a Native language. Tahlequah, the Capital of the Cherokee Nation, is such …

Mona Casts Her Vote

November 3rd, 2022


This is the story of my Great Grandma's casting of her first ballot in 1920. We've come a long way, but sometimes, it seems, not far enough. Listen …

The Scariest Place In All These Hills

October 27th, 2022


A story from my misspent youth in the wilds of the Cherokee Nation. Pre-cable TV fun for us was driving the backroads and finding ways to scare our classmates. One surefire place to this end was a remote, lonely stretch …

Neat Things Happen On An Urban Hike: A Kindred Spirit

October 10th, 2022


In Kansas City, you might encounter an intrepid group of Urban Hikers checking out art, nature or historic sights around the City. UrbanHikesKC, very much like our show, strive to illuminate things overlooked but worth …

Ninety Pounds of Dynamite: Kate Barnard's Lasting Impact

September 26th, 2022


The first woman to hold statewide office in Oklahoma years before she could vote, Kate Barnard, using her tireless activism and dedication to duty, …

A Pretty Good Guy, He Just Liked To Rob Banks: Catch Me Or Kill Me

September 12th, 2022


Charles Parrott was a lot of things, a husband and father, farmer, rodeo rider and one of the most prolific bank robbers in the second half of the …

The Queen And The Chief: Bearing Gifts

September 9th, 2022


Even out here in the Ozarks, in the Cherokee Nation, we have a connection to Queen Elizabeth, but it's a connection that goes back years, long before the United States, the Trail of Tears or the coronation of the Queen …

Kansas City, Birthplace of the Magic Kingdom

September 5th, 2022


It was in 1921 when a young commercial artist had a dream of creating an animation studio  in Kansas City. He did just that before going bankrupt and befriending a mouse that frequented his drawing table. A one way …

What Follows Is True: Crescent Hotel

August 22nd, 2022


There are plenty of ghost stories in the Ozarks, but Sean Fitzgibbon's graphic novel, a history really. provides the story of what is said to be the …

Being Uhura: Remembering Nichelle Nichols

August 8th, 2022


The role of Lt. Uhura, communications officer for the Starship Enterprize, made Nichelle Nichols an icon and made an indelible marknot only on Earth …

12th Street and Vine: Music Meant To Travel

July 11th, 2022


Twelfth Street and Vine may be Kansas City's most famous intersection thanks to the song Penned by Lieber and Stoller. Problem is, it's not there any …

It Talks In Cherokee: The First Telephone Service West Of The Mississippi

June 27th, 2022


Ed Hicks had seen the telephone demonstrated at the St. Louis Exhibition and in 1885 concocted the plan to connect The Cherokee Capital of Tahlequah with the new bustling City of Muskogee by phone line. Traditional …

Happy Jack

June 13th, 2022


Jack McLemore was my 9th Grade Science teacher. He had been nick-named Happy Jack by the older boys because, they claimed, he only smiled when …

Wearysome To The Eyes: The Great American Desert

May 30th, 2022


In this encore episode of Within The Realm we revisit the Great American Desert, a place no longer on the map but Central to the development of the United States as we know it today. 

The Fayetteville Polka

May 16th, 2022


Fayetteville, Arkansas has been home to Levon Helm, Ronnie Hawkins and the Cate Brothers. It's a place of inspiration for a young musician. The musical heritage goes way, way back and owes a debt to the World's Greatest …

On The Occasion Of Her Birthday: Revisiting Mrs. Carson

April 25th, 2022


This past Easter Sunday was Louise Carson's 90th Birthday. On the occasion of her birthday, we revisit our conversation with her about being my kindergarten teacher and what it took (and still takes) to get the job done …

It's Complicated! Zeke Proctor and the Goingsnake Affair

April 11th, 2022


The location was a quiet schoolhouse on Peacheater Creek in the Old Cherokee Nation, but it became the site of the largest non-military battle in the …

Hello, It's Me

March 29th, 2022


It's been a long time since I introduced this show to the public and I know that not many heard that first episode (thank goodness!) So, now is just as good a time as any to make a reintroduction into what I'm trying to …

A Brief Encounter: Jerry Ellis

March 14th, 2022


Has your life ever been changed by a chance meeting? Mine has, in a brief encounter with Writer Jerry Ellis over three decades ago. He uttered a few words to me that changed the way I saw the world and myself in it. …

Mr. DeWeese' Stealth Education

February 26th, 2022


Educating a half-wild kid with a poor outlook on the whole affair was the task at hand for Grade School Principal Ellis DeWeese. Dedicated to …

Red Fern: The Story That Almost Wasn't

February 7th, 2022


Sometimes a book has a great impact on us, but how grateful would you be to learn how the story almost never was? Here's the story of such a book and …

Turns Out, They're All Named George: Odd Fellows, Skeletons and An Enduring Legacy

January 24th, 2022


What do you do when you literally find a skeleton in your closet? Kansas City Artist Jeff Becker tells the story of George, the resident skeleton of the former Odd Fellows Lodge he had purchased. A tale with twists, …

What Stories Tell Us

January 10th, 2022


My grandmothers communicated lessons and values through stories, stories that stay with you. From stories from the Bible (King James version only!) …

A Tree Too Far

December 13th, 2021


My Great Aunt proudly displayed an aluminum Christmas Tree in her front window for many years, much to the chagrin of my more traditional relatives. I thought it was great until those shiny trees soon fell out of …

A Watchful Eye And A Little Good Luck: The Will Rogers Statue

November 25th, 2021


During his lifetime, Will Rogers spoke up for the common man and often, in a good natured way, provided the voice for those unheard to those in the halls of power. He is still keeping an eye on the people in Congress …

Johnnie and George: One Of His Boys

October 25th, 2021


One hundred years ago or so, George W. Carver enlisted college boys from the South to assist him in spreading his message, not just about farming …

The Big Scare At Beaver Gap

October 25th, 2021


There is a lonely stretch of road in our neck of the woods, the scariest spot in the County, called Beaver Gap. The superstitions of both the Native Americans and the hillbillies of the area fueled the stories of less …

200 years of Cherokee Talking Leaves

July 26th, 2021


200 years ago, in the wilds of the then American frontier, Sequoyah, the Cherokee Cadmus, introduced his writing system to the members of his tribe that had moved west to escape the influence of the white man. Some …

Clyde Tombaugh: From Kansas to the Kuiper Belt

July 12th, 2021


A tale with a lost opportunity for a college education, a one-way train ride and the fate of a planet! Hear the amazing story of Kansas Astronomer …

The Airlight: Arkansas' Historic Phone Booth

June 28th, 2021


Sometimes we forget how truly important seemingly ordinary things are to our own story. Hear how one small town rallied to save, of all things, a …

More Than They Bargained For: Music Survives The Pandemic

June 14th, 2021


Two Kansas University Journalism students, suffering from a bad case of Senioritis and struggling through  their classes during the pandemic had a final assignment before graduation. After beginning work on their task, …

Before The Mouse: Disney's Laugh-O-gram Studios

May 31st, 2021


Before the mouse, long before the Magic Kingdom, the cradle of the Golden Age of Animation was launched in Kansas City. The Laugh-O-grams studio was …

The Endangered Ozark Giraffe

May 17th, 2021


The Ozark Mountains are dotted with odd-looking houses built during the Great Depression. When I was a kid, they served as a reminder of our "hillbilly" past and, compared to the new fangled pre-fab homes, they were out …

A Chat With Your Host - Bonus Episode

May 4th, 2021


A stormy evening that presents a less than ideal recording environment turns into a little chat with the host about the show, where it came from ad …

Protection, Kansas

April 14th, 2021


There's a lot of talk about vaccines these days, but at one time the effort to end the scourge of polio through Dr. Salk's vaccine was focused on an …

My Uncle, The National Treasure

March 29th, 2021


A childhood interest in how arrowheads were made, blossomed into the mastery of the almost lost art of flint knapping for Vyrl Keeter. His pursuit of the craft led to his designation as a Cherokee National Treasure. In …

Where Do We Go From Here?

March 15th, 2021


Now that we can see light at the end of the pandemic tunnel, it's time for a review. What's the take away from our experience?

We look at the arenas …

Swing Low:An Unlikely Classic

February 22nd, 2021


The song is significant enough to make the list of important recording in US history and a blacklist in Nazi Germany, but the road to cherished American classic was a long and unlikely one for the spiritual "Swing Low, …

The Coming Golden Age: Live Music Post COVID

February 9th, 2021


With the closure of anything that would draw a crowd, local music and comedy venues fell silent as the pandemic spread. Even after the worst is over, …

The Negro Leagues: Bringing History Into Focus

January 23rd, 2021


Late in 2020, Major League Baseball recognized several of the Negro Leagues that thrived from 1920 until the sport was integrated as their own. Now these overlooked athletes' stats will be included in the records of …

A Mountain We Could Climb: A Guitar Story

January 4th, 2021


"It seemed like a mountain we could climb" said Aaron Eubanks of the idea to build custom guitars that emerged during a game of cards. And climb they …

Santa and Me: Not for Believing Ears

December 21st, 2020


Hear the tale of my brief but tumultuous days as a Santa-ophile. Published in hopes to explain why I'm more of a Scrooge than a Bob Cratchit. My …

Josh Cress: A Healthy Mind

December 14th, 2020


Maintaining a emotional balance has proven to be extra difficult in recent months. Mental health counselor Josh Cress joins us to discuss emotional …

Dedication: The Legacy of Fletcher Hardware

November 30th, 2020


A couple of years ago I did an episode about my hometown's oldest business, Fletcher Hardware. Today the store is gone, but in it's place is Fletcher …

A Century of Women's Suffrage: Mona Casts Her Ballot

November 1st, 2020


On this 100th Anniversary of the 19th Amendment, I bring you the story of my Great-grandmother, Mona Perkins and her first experience with the ballot box. She was a young upstart, her independence scandalized the small …

1972: Old Enough to Fight, Old Enough to Vote

October 30th, 2020


In the election of 1972, 18 year-olds were allowed the vote for the first time. We speak to a friend, Randy Pease, then an Indiana college student …

Saint Kate: Ninety Pounds of Dynamite

October 20th, 2020


Kate Barnard was elected to statewide office in Oklahoma before she could vote for herself. She was a young, progressive reformer applying her vision …

Bohemians West: A Story of Political and Personal Freedom

September 4th, 2020


Erskine Wood and Sara Bard Field were introduced by none other than Clarence Darrow as progressives that should know each other. They both …

Mrs. Carson: Our Pioneer of Preschool

August 20th, 2020


Louise Carson was a first time teacher, tasked with teaching 60 5 year-olds with no curriculum and little direction on a daily basis. She was my …

Primary Sources; What Makes A Story History

July 20th, 2020


In this episode we discuss primary sources with Dr. Megan Kate Nelson and their importance to the book The Three Cornered War. Dr. Nelson explains how letters, reports and other narratives from the time, Civil War Era …

Confronting the Pandemic: Couch X Couchwest, A Music Festival

June 22nd, 2020


When Austin's South X Southwest was cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic, many up and coming artists lost some great opportunities to further their careers. Two enterprising guys from the Kansas City music scene …

Emotional Self Care In These Uncertain Times

April 28th, 2020


A conversation with a licensed counselor about dealing with our emotions and mental health during this challenging time of COVID-19, quarantine and …

Becoming "The Person I Needed To See"

April 19th, 2020


We heard from Hannah Pithers a few months ago, emerging from a months long bout with Crohns, IBS and Colitis to find a  return to the life she loved. …

America's Three Cornered War

April 4th, 2020


The American Civil War is a much studied subject. Dr. Megan Kate Nelson visits with me about her new book "The Three Cornered War," a look at the …

Ways You Can Reduce Fear and Panic Right Now

March 18th, 2020


Tim O'Brien of O'Brien Communications and the Shaping Opinion podcast shares 5 tips to help us get through the COVID-19 and CoronaVirus crisis. 

Dayton Bissett: The Kid of Kansas City Comedy

March 13th, 2020


Average college student by day, but he also doubles as Kansas City's youngest working comedian. What drives someone to face the greatest fear, that …

Frozen: Oklahoma's Certifiable Congressman

February 10th, 2020


Oklahoma has the dubious honor of sending the first certifiably insane person to Congress. Manuel Herrick served one term in Congress (1921-1923), but was able to stir up a lifetime of trouble in that two years. From …

Pop Bottles: The Debt I Owe Buddy Margraff

January 27th, 2020


Carbonated drinks in glass bottles are making a comeback. There was a time these "pop" bottles could be returned to grocery stores for a few cents …

Community By Design: From Main Street to Grandma's House

January 13th, 2020


We often hear complaints about the lack of community in our country, from a lack of diversity to simply not knowing your neighbors. Could the design …

Broken, But Full

December 17th, 2019


Memories of loved ones too soon gone are kept alive through stories, stories that tell who they were and who they still are. Recently, I gave an …

My Only Sunshine

November 11th, 2019


It is one of the most recognizable songs the world over, but few know about it's start as a country music tear-jerker, and fewer still know about it's rocky road before it became renown. "You Are My Sunshine," even with …

A High Stakes Halloween

October 28th, 2019


Halloween is usually all fun and games...until you have something to prove. For my brother, it was unseating the reigning costume contest champion at the annual Halloween get-together. For me, it became a day of seeing …

Poor Mr. Dore: A Local Tale Through The Lens of The Frontier Thesis

October 21st, 2019


On February 27, 1914, Westville businessman PJ Dore was killed by Tandy Folsom. It's the stuff of local legend, but it serves as an illustration for …

Go Ahead: Crockett Takes on The President

September 30th, 2019


David Crockett (he never signed his name Davy Crockett) cut quite a figure in history. He was known as a frontiersman, a bear hunter, an Indian …

More Than Tang and Velcro: Everyday Americans Reach For The Stars

July 26th, 2019


Recently America...and the world...celebrated the 50th Anniversary of men landing on the moon. In this episode we discuss the space program with a couple of friends of mine who can provide a unique perspective on the …

The Punk Within

June 3rd, 2019


Punk Rock is more than music. It's a movement, "A thing you are," says one of our contributors to today's episode. Although it's seen as movement for young people, there are plenty that hang on to the philosophies and …

Talking Leaves: The Genius of Sequoyah

April 29th, 2019


With no formal education and not speaking English, Sequoyah developed a writing system for the Cherokees that helped preserve their language and …

The Great American Desert

April 15th, 2019


Once a barrier to the westward expansion of the United States now just a reference on aged maps, the Great American Desert played a pivotal role in …

Words of Wisdom

April 8th, 2019


Join us on this episode as friends from Within The Realm share Words of Wisdom that they have applied to their lives. A revealing look into the …

Before He Was The Hangin' Judge: Isaac Parker

April 1st, 2019


There's a renewed interest in Judge Isaac Parker, Fort Smith's famed Hangin' Judge. Join us for an encore presentation of one of our earlier episodes about the fascinating life of Isaac Parker before he was the "Law …

PoliSci: Legislative Term Limits, A Review

March 26th, 2019


We speak with Dr. Rick Farmer, a political Scientist who has done work in the area of legislative term limits. We discuss the pros and cons of this …

Marathoning For Two

March 18th, 2019


"I believe we were put here to do hard things," says Nikki, a Mom of two little girls and an avid runner. Recently, she took took up a new challenge that tested both the Mom and the runner in her. Listen in to an …

Arthur Stilwell: Railroads and Voices From Beyond

March 11th, 2019


Arthur was a mover and shaker. He was an innovator in the advertisement and insurance businesses, making a comfortable living for himself. He had a …

Song Lab: Looking Forward to Monday Nights

March 4th, 2019


Every Monday night, some of Kansas City's best songwriters gather at a little place called the RINO for an Open Mic Night called Song Lab. Now into it's second year, Song Lab has become a supportive community for the …

Whiskey: One Man's Quest For The Best

February 25th, 2019


With Dewayne, It's a passion! He collects whiskeys of the world, not for the buzz, but for the camaraderie of liked minded souls that enjoy a good …

Joplin's Own Spaghetti Red

February 25th, 2019


What Cheese Steak is to Philadelphia, so is Spaghetti Red to Joplin, Missouri. You really haven't experienced that neck of the Ozarks without …

Within The Realm Trailer

February 7th, 2019


Our trailer, just a little sampling of what you're going to get when you enter the Realm!

Lorenzo Fuller: From High Plains to Television Pioneer

January 18th, 2019


Lorenzo Dow Fuller, Jr. was a pioneer in the early days of television, but his parents were Pioneers in their own right. His father was a traveling …

Red Ferns and Coon Dogs: Our Brush With Hollywood

January 11th, 2019


When I was a kid growing up in the foothills of the Ozarks there wasn't a lot of excitement, but that changed the summer I turned nine. The filming of "Where The Red Fern Grows" had come to town with all the glitz and …

Fletcher Hardware: A Step Back In Time

January 5th, 2019


Nowadays a trip to the hardware store is a trip to a brightly colored big box. There was a time when such a trip was to a downtown shop full of …

Matt's Story: A Normal Day Is Awesome

December 25th, 2018


Earlier in this season we met Hannah Pithers, a young personal trainer with a big health issue , Crohn's Disease, in "Hannah's Story: The Big Comeback." In the course of the interview, I learned that I had two great …

Do It Yourself Diplomacy: Lovely's Purchase

December 21st, 2018


It was the edge of the United States, closer to Spanish territory than the nearest military installation of the United States. William Lovely had been placed as agent to the Cherokees in the West, tasked with ending the …

The Revolver: A Story Will Rogers Would Love

December 10th, 2018


Will Rogers, Oklahoma’s favorite son, worked his way from failed rancher to Wild West show performer to the highest paid performer in Hollywood. His …

But You Don't Look Indian...

November 30th, 2018


One of the most-heard comments at showings of his work by Indian artist Bobby C. Martin is "But you don't look Indian..." The theme of much of Bobby's work centers around the subject of Indian identity - in fact, his …

Keeper of the Stories

November 23rd, 2018


Someone has to keep the family stories alive...Are you the Keeper of the Stories? Listen in as host Steve Garrett discusses the importance of maintaining the family stories and tells one from his own family that was …

Up from the Bottom Shelf: The Music of Courtney Ann Hall

November 16th, 2018


Check out the adventures of Courtney Ann Hall as she goes from novice songwriter to recording artist in the span of one year.

Meet Val: Photographs for Honor Flight

November 8th, 2018


Val Anderson claims to be a quiet person who just wants to take pictures. She's pretty good at it and finds herself lending her talent to various groups, like Honor Flight Kansas City, a non-profit that provides a …

A Story of Skilly-ville: A Hunt for Bigfoot

October 28th, 2018


Just in time for Halloween! A story of a hunt for Bigfoot in the hills of Oklahoma with an excitable teenage boy and a reluctant local editor.

American Girl, German Comedy: Playing it For Laughs

October 21st, 2018


Emily was the quintessential Midwestern girl until she took a trip to Europe, met a guy, fell in love and got married. She now lives in a small village in the German countryside, but her adventurous spirit led her to …

Hannah's Story: The Big Comeback

October 10th, 2018


Listen to Hannah's inspirational story. A young personal trainer who helped others get fit began having health issues of her own,,,and they kept getting worse! Her journey through dealing with Crohn's Disease and …

Meet Emily, Highland Games Professional

September 21st, 2018


Emily has been participating in the Highland Games for longer than she didn't. For her it's a family tradition, but she's not leaving the accolades …


September 7th, 2018


We interview a couple of Superfans of the CBS reality show Survivor, about their attachment to the show and what it has taught them.

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