Why I'll Never Make It

38 EpisodesProduced by Patrick Oliver Jones

A lighthearted yet revealing look at the challenges of a career in the arts.

38 Episodes | 2018 - 2019

27: Ryan K. Bailer - Actor, Singer, CEO of Ryan Bailer Tech Support

February 18th, 2019

1:11:50

The man who has been in more EVITA productions than Mandy Patinkin joins me on the podcast to talk about his back and forth in show business and finding the balance between "making it" and making a living. 



As founder …

26: TONY HOWELL - Digital Strategist for Creative Artists, Social Media Branding & Marketing

February 11th, 2019

1:07:57

Tony Howell is a digital strategist for Emmy, Grammy, Tony, Oscar, and Olivier award-winning artists. His work has been featured by Google, Squarespace, SAG-AFTRA, Actors' Equity Association, and more. Before becoming …

TONY AWARDS #6 - Broadway Chat with Ryan McPhee, Managing News Editor at PLAYBILL

February 4th, 2019

53:50

As we're now about halfway through the 2018-19 Broadway season, and several shows have closed and some still have yet to open. Ryan McPhee, Managing News Editor at PLAYBILL, joins the podcast once again to talk about …

25: Maggie Bera - Musical Theater Actress, Singer, and ACTOR AESTHETIC Blogger

January 28th, 2019

58:01

Maggie graduated from Texas State with a BFA in Musical Theatre just two years ago and has been pounding the NYC pavement ever since. In today's …

24: Tovi Wayne - Musical Theater Actor, Joffrey Ballet Dancer, Dance Teacher

January 21st, 2019

51:47

A good friend of mine and the podcast joins me for the first interview of 2019!

Tovi Wayne opens up about starting dance late in his performing career and how that put him behind other dancers but also motivated him to …

23: Bite-Size Edition - Cupcakes & Kudisch

January 14th, 2019

18:30

The first episode of the year has me chatting about my failed attempt to make Red Velvet Cupcakes...and I mean utter failure. I hurried through the prep and ended up with inedible red mushy hockey pucks. Such wasted …

22: A Look Back at the Podcast's First Year

December 31st, 2018

51:51

It's been a wonderful ride despite some growing pains and losses along the way. My first year of podcasting has nonetheless taught me a great deal, …

21: Jury Duty (One Actor's Journey Into the Justice System)

December 31st, 2018

34:58

In this episode, Patrick shares one thing that has kept him from auditioning and finding work...jury duty. That civic obligation that many try to get out of has become yet another obstacle to making it. 

But Patrick …

20: John McNally PhD - Award-Winning Author, Screenwriter, Lecturer, English Professor

December 17th, 2018

47:41

As the school year winds down, a Ph.D joins the podcast once again, this time to talk about fiction writing and The Promise of Failure. His most …

Spotlight: NY YOUTH SYMPHONY with Andy Clausen - Artistic Director, Jazz Conductor, Trombonist

December 10th, 2018

42:25

Andy Clausen is a New York-based composer, trombonist, bandleader, and graduate of The Juilliard School. Hailing from Seattle, Clausen relocated to …

19: Glasgow Lyman & Jeff Rosick - Writers, Actors, Producers from Hollywood Fringe, WE NEED THIS MUSICAL...

November 28th, 2018

46:51

These two writers and actors join the podcast to talk about their new show...WE NEED THIS MUSICAL TO KEEP US FROM KILLING OURSELVES: THE MUSICAL. (Oh …

Spotlight: NY YOUTH SYMPHONY with Anna Jacobs - Composer/Lyricist, Artist in Residence, Music Educator

November 26th, 2018

44:06

Today's episode focuses on the Musical Theater Composition program of the New York Youth Symphony, directed by Anna Jacobs. Her musicals include:

18: Michael Wartella - Singer, Songwriter, Broadway Actor in the National Tour of WICKED

November 19th, 2018

54:38

Mike spent ten years in the city before landing his dream role and first major New York production, RENT at the Off-Broadway venue New World Stages. …

Spotlight: NY YOUTH SYMPHONY with Michael Repper - Music Director, Orchestra Conductor, Educator

November 12th, 2018

49:28

For the next couple of weeks will be talking to directors of the New York Youth Symphony. Founded in 1963 as an orchestra to showcase the …

17: John McGinty - Broadway Actor (Children of a Lesser God), Deaf Advocate and Sign Language Teacher

October 29th, 2018

58:35

John McGinty lost his hearing at a young age and for years headed toward a career in Finance. But theater kept calling him, and he finally answered …

16: Bite-Size Edition - Tribute to Marin Mazzie

October 22nd, 2018

16:36

The first ever mini-episode with Patrick, focusing on why he'll never make it as well as why he's still here. Patrick also talks about the wonderful …

Spotlight: ONLY MAKE BELIEVE with Artistic Director Jackie Miller & Actors Dan Domingues and Jeanette Bonner

October 15th, 2018

58:42

In Part Two of our look at Only Make Believe, Patrick talks to Jackie Miller, Artistic Director of the acting company, and two of the actors, Dan Domingues and Jeanette Bonner. 

They share the process of bringing …

15: Chris Coyne - Actor, Singer, Foley Mixer, Emmy-Nominated Sound Editor

October 8th, 2018

57:49

Chris Coyne’s career in the entertainment industry spans more than 30 years, and in this episode he talks about his work onstage and in television commercials from Los Angeles to Europe as well as Las Vegas. where he …

Spotlight: ONLY MAKE BELIEVE with Dena Hammerstein - Actress, Playwright, Theater Producer, Founder of OMB

October 1st, 2018

50:39

Geraldine Sherman was born in Middlesex, England and became a busy actress on BBC and in film when she met and later married James Hammerstein. She is now known as theater producer Dena Hammerstein, President/CEO of …

14: Scott Wojcik & Gayle Seay - Casting Directors for Regional Theater, National Tours, and Off-Broadway

September 30th, 2018

51:54

When Scott Wojcik and Gayle Seay entered the entertainment industry, headshots were black and white and fax machines and beepers were high tech ways to communicate. The mode of casting has changed dramatically from when …

13: Joey Fatone - Singer with *NSYNC, TV Host, Broadway Star

June 25th, 2018

1:09:43

Before he became a part of the worldwide phenom *NSYNC, Joey was a theater kid in Orlando, Florida. And since his days of touring around the world, he has been on Broadway, appeared in films and television, and has …

12: Martine Kei Green-Rogers, PhD - Dramaturg and Theater Professor

June 11th, 2018

1:05:12

We have really stepped up our game this episode with the first PhD on WINMI! Martine is a theater professor at SUNY New Paltz and freelance dramaturg, with work at Oregon Shakepeare Festival, Pioneer Theatre Company, …

Tony Awards #5 - Predictions with PLAYBILL Managing News Editor Ryan McPhee

June 4th, 2018

48:00

With just a week to go before the Tony winners are announced, Patrick joins Ryan McPhee at the Playbill headquarters in midtown Manhattan to chat …

Tony Awards #4 - CAROUSEL with Actor/Singer Nicholas Belton (understudy for Billy Bigelow)

June 1st, 2018

29:35

For the fourth Bonus Episode of our Tony Award series, Patrick catches up with Nicholas Belton, who understudies the lead role of Billy Bigelow in …

Tony Awards #3 - THE BAND'S VISIT with Associate Conductor Jeff Theiss

May 29th, 2018

26:19

From the longest running Best Musical nominee this year comes Jeff Theiss, who joins Patrick on the third installment of the Tony Awards bonus series. This associate conductor shares how THE BAND'S VISIT has grown since …

11: Jelani Alladin - Broadway Actor, Kristoff in Disney's FROZEN

May 21st, 2018

1:04:14

It gets a little chilly in the studio as FROZEN’s Kristoff joins us for today’s episode. Mega-watt Broadway star and Drama Desk Award nominee, Jelani …

Tony Awards #2 - SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS with Actor/Singer Kelvin Moon Loh

May 18th, 2018

47:14

Tying for the most Tony nominations this Broadway season, SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS The Musical is as energetic and colorful as they come. In this bonus …

Tony Awards #1 - ONCE ON THIS ISLAND with Musical Director Alvin Hough, Jr.

May 15th, 2018

31:20

We chose to make our first Bonus Episode in honor of the Tony Awards! To celebrate those truly making it on Broadway we invited Alvin Hough, music …

10: Jessica Holt - Theater Director (MFA from Yale School of Drama)

May 7th, 2018

1:07:18

The Jessica Holt joins us for today's discussion about all things theater. With her Ivy League roots and a love for new, contemporary and classical …

9: Michael Kostroff - Actor, Director, Writer, Blogger, Audition Coach

April 23rd, 2018

56:27

We have a doozy for you this week.  We solve what's wrong with kids today (it's emojis) and we talk with the actor/teacher/audition …

8: Grace McLean - Actress, Singer from GREAT COMET & Them Apples

April 20th, 2018

58:35

The “electrifying” (Huffington Post) and “phenomenal” (NY Times) Grace McLean joins us “in-studio” to tell a couple of jokes and give insight on how we might make it. You might recognize her from Natasha, Pierre & …

7: Marella Martin Koch - Theater Writer, Director, Producer

April 20th, 2018

47:16

This podcast would never have happened if today's guest had not written the show where that brought Dewey and Patrick together. We'll get into that …

6: Casey Erin Clark - Actor, Singer, Dancer, Public Speaking Coach

April 20th, 2018

55:57

Today on our program we have an actor, a singer, a dancer, a voice/public speaking coach and a singing/audition coach. And...it's all one person, Casey Erin Clark! Learn all about her 15 minutes of terrifying fame and …

5: Erin Cronican - Theater Actress, Producer, Director, Coach

April 20th, 2018

55:07

The actor and all-around fun gal, Erin Cronican joins us "in studio" to discuss her own formula for making it in the entertainment industry. From …

4: Stephen Wallem - Stage and TV Actor from NURSE JACKIE

April 20th, 2018

46:05

Dewey and Patrick get real about winter and its affect on us actors. Then, Stephen joins in to talk about how Nures Jackie fame has both helped his …

3: Mara Davi & Aaron Gaines - Musical Theater Actors & Married Couple

April 20th, 2018

1:02:00

An interview on how to live and garden in this business with the dynamic duo of Mara Davi (Instagram: @MaraDavi or @Vintage.Green) and Aaron Gaines (Aaron-Gaines.com).

2: Jeff Thomson - Musical Theater Composer

April 20th, 2018

54:39

An interview with musical theater composer extraordinaire, Jeff Thomson. He shares his thoughts on "making it" as well as samples of some of his latest work.

You can find out more about Jeff and his music (even download …

1: Matt Zambrano - Theater Actor, Writer, Mime, Improv

April 20th, 2018

52:21

OUR PREMIERE EPISODE!! Get to know your hosts Dewey Caddell and Patrick Oliver Jones as they share their own ups and downs in the performing world. They then interview the supremely talented Matt Zambrano (actor, …

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