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The Healers Café

186 EpisodesProduced by Manon Bolliger (facilitator and retired naturopath with 30+ years of practiWebsite

Hi, it's Manon Bolliger (facilitator and retired naturopath with 30+ years of practice) and I want to welcome you to the Healers Cafe.I am so excited to be doing this series of interviews and what I'll be doing is, is asking all kinds of healthcare practitioners, doctors, healers of all types, to re… read more


Difference Between Medicine &; Healing: The Healers Café with Dr. Manon & Dr Wayne Phimister

In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Manon chats with Dr Wayne Phimister

Dr Wayne Phimister (03:34):

And it's funny because when I think about medical school or becoming a doctor, that was never part of my mindset. It was always just to help people. I want to help people, but I want to deal with the challenge. So if we move forward over 30 years now, and that's exactly what I am, is I'm still wanting to help people.

Dr Wayne Phimister (03:57):

And it's a huge challenge. And what I've realized is there's a difference between medicine and healing, which is kind of strange because the origins of medicine was all about healing. Correct. But now we're finding, as you know, the dominant theme of medicine is assessment, symptoms, symptoms, signs, diagnoses, investigations and treatments. And you know, the majority is medications or surgeries. And that's what we're trained in.

Dr Wayne Phimister (12:51):

Well, it's, I think in all honesty functioning as a family doctor because of the time constraints and you're there to collect symptoms and you know, all the symptoms or as many symptoms as you can and our job is to go and find those symptoms. But I think in reality it's more what is the patient saying And then you get onto that mindset of reductionist model of, you know, trying to figure out what they're talking about or what the problem is and you confirm it with the diagnosis. So confirm it with the examination focal examination. Right. And then go down the path of investigations and diagnosis. But we're talking about medicine here. We're talking about traditional medicine where it's a symptom based world and well,

Dr Wayne Phimister (31:07):

We do MRI scans and there's one doctor says, look, you cannot get an MRI scan standing in Canada and we think about it when you stand you get your whole axial skeleton with gravity pulling and it's a very different thing to lying down in a bed with gravity spread out.

Dr Wayne Phimister (31:57):

So this dynamic body that we have that always moves and never stay still really, you know, it's a different picture that you're seeing on a different position. Now I had to, well there is one MRI scan in Kamloops, in BC here and up in Dr Brown's office who is a neurosurgeon and he does MRI scans sitting down.


About Dr Wayne Phimister:

Wayne Phimister is a family physician, clinical assistant professor at UBC, clinical instructor at Stanford University in the USA, author and speaker who is dedicated to finding solutions for people suffering in chronic pain. He trained as a MD and family physician in his native country of Scotland in 2000 and moved to BC in 2003 after work in New Zealand. He is also certified in medical acupuncture and intramuscular stimulation which started the journey into healing pain through natural methods and used these healing modalities alongside his regular family practice for many years. He now has an exclusive practice treating and managing pain in the Fraser Valley at 3 sites focusing on releasing tension in the body through trigger point injections and hydro-dissection, optimising the brains neuroplastic state for healing with cognitive behavioural therapy and anti-inflammatory nutrition advice. His new area of research is cold exposure with breathing meditation to further reduce inflammation in the body. He believes all people in pain deserve to know why they have pain, and how they can be empowered on the journey of healing by finding solutions for this crippling condition.

Wayne has run his podcast show called, “21st Century Pain Solutions” for over 2 years, does Live Streams on Thursday at 7pm and a TEDx speaker.

He is a single Dad to 3 children who inspire him to be the best person he can be in service to humanity.


About Dr. Manon Bolliger, ND:

Dr. Manon is a Naturopathic Doctor, the Founder of Bowen College, an International Speaker with a TEDx talk in September 2020, and the author of the Amazon best-selling book "What Patient's Don't Say if Doctors Don't Ask." Watch for her next book, due out in 2020.

About The Healers Café:

Dr. Manon's show is the #1 show for medical practitioners and holistic healers to have heart to heart conversations about their day to day lives.

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