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The Fox and the Phoenix

78 EpisodesProduced by Savannah Hauk, Author & Julie Rubenstein, Style ConsultantWebsite

Understanding the Feminine Crossdressing ExperienceTo de-mystify, humanize, and celebrate the crossdressing community, providing a positive and realistic understanding through conversation between a crossdresser and a cis-ally.

78 Episodes | 2020 - 2021

065 - LIVE from Chicago Gender Society '21

December 1st, 2021

1:19:13

IN THIS EPISODE, Julie and Savannah have been graciously invited to a private event hosted by Susan Holtz and the officers of Chicago Gender Society. …

064 - Types of Crossdressers

November 24th, 2021

59:41

In this episode, Julie and Savannah dive into a section of Savannah's second "Living with Crossdressing" book, namely "Types of Crossdressers". …

063 - From Girl Next Door to Sissy

November 17th, 2021

51:55

In this episode, Savannah brings to the podcast table her concern for a dear friend who is had her own fears about changing her gender expression when it comes to her femininity. From a Girl-Next-Door vibe to the pinks …

062 - The Traveling Crossdresser

November 10th, 2021

49:07

In this episode, Julie talks about the state of traveling in a COVID world as she talks about her own trip out-of-state recently. Then, she asks …

061 - Angst, Addiction, and Acceptance

November 3rd, 2021

1:00:08

in this episode, Julie shares her struggles and sadness over a prospective client who asked for a look book return after their wife found out about …

60.1 - Happy Halloween 2021!

October 31st, 2021

6:47

In this this bonus episode, Julie and Savannah wish everyone a safe and fun Halloween. If you're a dad to small boys or girls, it's an opportunity to …

060 - Just a Crossdresser

October 27th, 2021

53:13

In this episode, Savannah voices her concern to Julie about how many people--inside and outside the LGBTQ+ community--see crossdressers as "just …

059 - First Loves, First Reveals, First Confidences

October 20th, 2021

53:16

In this episode, Julie--after a two-week vacation hiatus--returns with a vengeance to ask Savannah about her first true reveal to a girlfriend. From …

058 - Unpacking the Trip

October 13th, 2021

40:47

In this episode, Julie shares her angst for her upcoming trip to the beautiful state of Colorado--visiting the picturesque locales of Aspen and …

057 - Shrinking From A Fight

October 6th, 2021

47:15

In this episode, Julie admits that she took down a post on a Facebook member group after being called out with a "crossdressers aren't trans" …

056 - Wearing Our Labels

September 29th, 2021

52:24

In this episode, Julie and Savannah chat about how the next-door neighbors finally happened about Savannah. Smells like an opportunity to share!! On …

055 - A Revealing Correspondence

September 22nd, 2021

54:25

In this episode, Julie brings a letter from a dual-gender person named Amelia. In this letter, Amelia reveals herself to certain family members she …

054 - All in the Family

September 15th, 2021

58:03

In this episode, Savannah has news she wants to share with Julie! On a trip back to New York and Connecticut, Savannah's cis-girlfriend, Judy, took …

053 - The Language of the Body Beautiful

September 8th, 2021

59:11

IN THIS EPISODE, Julie broaches the topic to Savannah of how male-to-female crossdressing people can find ways to tap into their feminine side by way …

052 - Crossdressing Accords (part 2)

September 1st, 2021

44:12

IN THIS EPISODE, Savannah pitches the idea that finding out, discovering, or being told that you are in a relationship with a male-to-female …

051 - Crossdressing Accords (part 1)

August 25th, 2021

58:51

IN THIS EPISODE, Savannah pitches the idea that finding out, discovering, or being told that you are in a relationship with a male-to-female …

050 - Book 'em, Dano, The Big Five-O

August 18th, 2021

56:01

IN THIS EPISODE, Julie surprises Savannah with a savory and sweet salvo of audio clips from previous favorite and important episodes... all leading …

049 - The Cycle of the Rumor Mill

August 11th, 2021

1:06:54

In this episode, Julie brings up a topic from a friend who was on the verge of purging her feminine life after being subjected to people talking in a …

048 - To TEDx and Back

August 4th, 2021

51:54

In this episode, Savannah and Julie discuss the wild ride of the no-longer secret TEDx Talk Savannah did for the North Carolina State University TEDx …

047 - Road Visibility to TEDx

July 28th, 2021

59:55

In this episode, Julie asks Savannah what the hub-bub is about with all the secrecy around one of Savannah's clandestine projects. Well, the secret …

046 - Padding the Truth

July 21st, 2021

53:16

In this episode, Julie and Savannah get into the meat of things as they chew the fat on wanting the extra junk in the trunk, bodacious ta-tas, and …

045 - Human Resources

July 14th, 2021

1:01:01

In this episode, Savannah regales Julie with her meeting with a crossdressing man, Johnnie, and their wife, Angie. During that meeting, Angie …

044 - Quiz Show (part 2)

July 7th, 2021

38:56

In this second parter of our ask and answer session, Julie continues quizzing Savannah with her series of long-awaited questions from the listening …

043 - Quiz Show (part 1)

June 30th, 2021

52:37

In this episode, Julie surprises Savannah with a series of long-awaited questions from the listening audience. From advice from one feminine …

042 - Blue Sky - The Way Women Are Seen

June 23rd, 2021

30:10

YOU'RE LISTENING TO BLUE SKY ... 

In this episode, Julie speaks passionately and fiercely about how women are viewed and treated in a Man's world, …

041 - Hey, Baby! I Love Giving You Pet Names!

June 16th, 2021

46:02

In this episode, Savannah airs her grievances to Julie concerning unsolicited private messages through social media where the opening line sounds …

040 - Breaking Open the Closet Door... Again

June 9th, 2021

1:15:33

In this episode, Julie reads a message from a male-to-female crossdressing person named Candice. In the social media letter Candice describes her …

039 - Facing the Purge

June 2nd, 2021

1:00:19

In this episode, Julie and Savannah discuss the physical and psychological circumstances and conditions for why crossdressing men feed the need to …

038 - Vulnerability on the Rocks with a Tranny Chaser

May 26th, 2021

1:05:37

In this episode, Julie tells Savannah a listener was a little disappointed with the "020 - Gurl Crush" episode. While hearing about how being …

037 - Blue Sky - Holidays and the Chill, Revisited

May 19th, 2021

25:31

YOU ARE LISTENING TO BLUE SKY

In this episode, Julie and Savannah harken back to cooler weather by revisiting the winter sun and the chill that grips …

036 - The Divinity of Femininity

May 12th, 2021

46:11

In this episode, Julie braves the perceived West Coast-ish juju of the divine femininity and how it applies to those men with necessary feminine …

035 - Sexual Healing

May 5th, 2021

48:10

In this episode, Savannah reads a Facebook post to Julie from Cristianne K. What follows is a discussion and content dissection about how fetishistic …

034 - Significant Ones, One Super-Sized Episode

April 28th, 2021

1:11:29

In this episode, Savannah and Julie searched the planet for cis-female partners of MTF crossdressing men. Asking questions about the wonderful …

033 - Baby's Day Out

April 21st, 2021

43:13

In this episode, Savannah is overly excited to regale Julie with her experience when wife Gaby covertly planned a surprise makeover for her husband …

BONUS - TEN GRAND

April 19th, 2021

12:08

In this episode... Julie and Savannah reach 10,000 listens!! 'Nuff Said!!

Thank you so much to our listeners!!

032 - A Crossdressing COVID Life

April 14th, 2021

34:15

In this episode, Savannah and Julie revisit the crossdressing experience as it pertains to life during the COVID pandemic. Julie reads messages from …

031 - Hate Male

April 7th, 2021

57:34

In this episode, Savannah reads aloud a comment from a social media user on one of her "Living with Crossdressing - Defining a New Normal" Facebook profile post pics. The negative message talks about "... God …

030 - Blue Sky - Expectations, Karaoke, and Meaty Tucks

March 31st, 2021

29:01

YOU ARE LISTENING TO BLUE SKY

In this episode, Julie and Savannah cover a gamut of conversation... from setting realistic expectations when going out …

029 - Calculating Gender Percentages

March 24th, 2021

51:24

in this episode, Julie talks about the coziness of hot apple cider and asks Savannah about the ending to a recent blog post to better understand how …

028 - Luscious, Lavish and Lacquered Lamination

March 17th, 2021

59:41

In this episode, Julie dips a toe in the water by asking Savannah about going to get a pedicure with her girlfriend.  From the soles of her feet, to …

027 - Semi-Decent Proposal

March 10th, 2021

48:06

In this week's episode, Savannah reveals a deep, hidden secret to Julie... namely, the fact that a member of Instagram approached Savannah through a …

026 - Gender and Sexuality

March 3rd, 2021

46:01

In this week's episode, Julie and Savannah discuss a topic from Savannah's second book, "Living with Crossdressing: Discovering Your True Identity", …

025 - Blue Sky - Crossdressers' Motto... Always Be Prepared

February 24th, 2021

26:15

YOU'RE LISTENING TO BLUE SKY

In this episode... Savannah and Julie discuss what happens in the situation where after you have revealed yourself to …

024 - The Effects of Aging... Are We Like A Fine Wine?

February 17th, 2021

51:53

In this week's episode, Julie asks a question based on her daughter's perception of how old people look to her and a recent brush with her own recent …

023 - The Cost of Chasing Beauty

February 10th, 2021

58:31

In this episode, Savanah brings a text conversation to the table from the wife of a crossdressing husband, highlighting her feelings of insecurity of her own beauty in direct comparison to her husband's makeup skill and …

022 - Blue Sky - Being Corny, Technical , Inquisitive, and Self-Reliant

February 5th, 2021

20:40

YOU'RE LISTENING TO BLUE SKY

In this episode... Julie laughs at how corny Savannah is! Then, our co-hosts talk about being their own advocates when …

021 - Leaving Masculinity Behind?

February 3rd, 2021

1:08:27

Julie brings the difficult discussion topic in this episode about the how masculinity plays a part in the friction between non-transitioning and …

020 - Gurl Crushes

January 27th, 2021

42:14

In this episode, Julie asks Savannah about what it means to have active admirers on social media. From male admirers looking for intimacy to other …

019 - Oversexed and Underage

January 20th, 2021

1:00:56

In this episode, Savannah reads a text from Skye--a reader of her first book, "Living with Crossdressing: Defining a New Normal"--where she exclaims …

018 - Feminized By Force

January 13th, 2021

35:49

In this episode, Savannah and Julie unpack what it means to be forced feminized, as it applies to male-to-female crossdressers and trans-women. Julie …

017 - Shame, Shame, Shame...

January 6th, 2021

1:00:43

In this episode, Savannah and Julie discuss the shame that causes many male-to-female crossdressers to continually hide who they are in terms of …

16.2 - Say Goodbye to 2020, Beyotches!!

January 1st, 2021

42:19

YOU'RE LISTENING TO BLUE SKY.

In this episode, Savannah and Julie say goodbye to 2020 with a series of terrible 2020 countdowns, some drunk-not-drunk …

Blue Sky 16.1 - Creature Comforts, the new Sta-bys, and Inappropriate Behavior

December 30th, 2020

30:48

YOU'RE LISTENING TO BLUE SKY

In this episode... Savannah and Julie discuss selling off companies and franchising, the creation of a new joint …

016 - Where Can I Go?

December 23rd, 2020

1:02:43

Bear witness to Savannah's panicky caffeine-ageddon. A listener message leaves our cohosts wondering how best to help crossdressers know how and …

015 - The Handsome Beautiful Letter

December 16th, 2020

1:09:09

Julie reads a letter from a listener. What are we to do when we want to be described as beautiful and cute and pretty... even if presenting in a way …

Blue Sky 14.1 - Fighting the Stereotypes

December 9th, 2020

36:25

What begins as a question about the appropriateness (or editing out) of Savannah trying to do a Jewish accent on air for a previous episode becomes a …

014 - Say My Name!

December 2nd, 2020

59:30

Julie poses the hard question to her co-host, "How did you come up with the name Savannah?".  From the legendary convention of taking your first …

Blue Sky 13.1 - Gobble Gobble, Y'all!

November 26th, 2020

35:32

Welcome to another BLUE SKY bonus episode!


In this episode, Savannah and Julie give thanks to each other, the podcast, the listeners, and to those …

013 Make Up Test

November 25th, 2020

1:06:45

What happens when Julie asks Savannah about her make-up routine? Well, the result is a multi-step tutorial from shower to hair... and every step in …

012 - What Does Transgender Even Mean? (part 2)

November 18th, 2020

33:27

NOTE: This episode deals with a topic that may be triggering for some listeners.

What happens when Savannah surprises Julie with a topic that …

011 - What Does Transgender Even Mean? (part 1)

November 11th, 2020

36:42

NOTE: This episode deals with a topic that may be triggering for some listeners.

What happens when Savannah surprises Julie with a topic that …

Blue Sky 10.1 - Long Exhale for Many

November 9th, 2020

21:13

Welcome to another BLUE SKY episode.

These are bite-sized episodes for your listening pleasure.

In this episode, Savannah and Julie touch on the week …

010 - Dude Looks Like a Lady

November 4th, 2020

37:04

While Julie instantly connected with Savannah after meeting her virtually as guests on another podcast, Julie struggled to come to terms with meeting …

009 - Halloween... the Crossdressers' Christmas

October 28th, 2020

49:04

It's that time of year again. The spooky and hallowed eve when women shed their layers for something with "sexy" in the title and when crossdressers  used the cover of darkness--and the throngs of costumes neighbors, …

Blue Sky 8.2 - Miscellaneous October Musings

October 23rd, 2020

19:37

Welcome to another BLUE SKY episode.

These are bite-sized episodes for your listening pleasure!

In this episode, Savannah and Julie have strung …

Blue Sky 8.1 - Oops! I Did It Again!

October 21st, 2020

13:58

Welcome to the fourth BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

Savannah regales the always supportive and lovely Julie …

008 Accidental Discovery over Wine and Cheese

October 14th, 2020

38:49

What happens when your male self attends a vendor-sponsored, work-related, virtual wine and cheese tasting event... and your femme name in on your Zoom profile pic? Well, Savannah unravels the aforementioned event--and, …

007 Its All About That Book... About That Book... No Trouble

October 7th, 2020

18:35

Julie starts off with a serenade of a song snippet! What? Then, it's all about book learnin' as Savannah and Julie both share about their writing …

Blue Sky 6.1 - All or Nothing

September 30th, 2020

7:54

Welcome to the third BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

Uh oh... Savannah climbs up on her soapbox to preach (sister!) about how she is very binary in her gender expressions, while …

006 Marilyn Monroe and an Updraft, plus more...

September 23rd, 2020

23:56

Savannah and Julie finish their chocolate milk and PB&J to ramble on about topics not even meant for the podcast! A simple question about "what …

005 Debunking Deuteronomy 22:5... and other things

September 16th, 2020

33:52

American King James Version (Deuteronomy 22:5)
"The woman shall not wear that which pertains to a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination to the LORD your God."
Savannah talks …

Blue Sky 4.1 - Truth and Consequences

September 9th, 2020

6:18

Welcome to the second BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

How can any crossdressing men live a best life? It starts with the journey to self-discovery and ends with self-acceptance and …

004 Family Jules - From Stylish Fashionista to Proud Ally

September 2nd, 2020

31:08

In this episode, Savannah grills Julie on how she started the style and fashion consultancy of Fox and Hanger, as well as how she found herself …

003 Savannah's Song - From her First Time to Visibility in the South

August 26th, 2020

34:59

Savannah is on the hot seat this episode as Julie peppers her with questions about her crossdressing. From her earliest crossdressing memories where …

Blue Sky 2.1 - Living on the Fringe

August 19th, 2020

12:21

Welcome to the first BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

What do we know about different types of crossdressers and …

002 Baristas, Kids Today, The Pandemic, and Hope for the Future

August 12th, 2020

28:22

In this episode, Julie Rubenstein, the co-founder and Style Consultant from Fox and Hanger, and Savannah Hauk, author of the "Living with …

001 Our Superhero Origin Story

August 5th, 2020

46:12

Julie and Savannah talk about how they met and how sharing a dream idea through email correspondence led to the creation of a podcast together From …

Everyone loves the trailers before the movies, right?

July 10th, 2020

8:04

Savannah Hauk, male-to-female crossdresser and author of the "Living with Crossdressing" book series, joins forces with Julie Rubenstein, proud ally …

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