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The Fox and the Phoenix

78 EpisodesProduced by Savannah Hauk, Author & Julie Rubenstein, Style ConsultantWebsite

Understanding the Feminine Crossdressing ExperienceTo de-mystify, humanize, and celebrate the crossdressing community, providing a positive and realistic understanding through conversation between a crossdresser and a cis-ally.

78 Episodes | 2020 - 2021

065 - LIVE from Chicago Gender Society '21

December 1st, 2021


IN THIS EPISODE, Julie and Savannah have been graciously invited to a private event hosted by Susan Holtz and the officers of Chicago Gender Society. …

064 - Types of Crossdressers

November 24th, 2021


In this episode, Julie and Savannah dive into a section of Savannah's second "Living with Crossdressing" book, namely "Types of Crossdressers". …

063 - From Girl Next Door to Sissy

November 17th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah brings to the podcast table her concern for a dear friend who is had her own fears about changing her gender expression when it comes to her femininity. From a Girl-Next-Door vibe to the pinks …

062 - The Traveling Crossdresser

November 10th, 2021


In this episode, Julie talks about the state of traveling in a COVID world as she talks about her own trip out-of-state recently. Then, she asks …

061 - Angst, Addiction, and Acceptance

November 3rd, 2021


in this episode, Julie shares her struggles and sadness over a prospective client who asked for a look book return after their wife found out about …

60.1 - Happy Halloween 2021!

October 31st, 2021


In this this bonus episode, Julie and Savannah wish everyone a safe and fun Halloween. If you're a dad to small boys or girls, it's an opportunity to …

060 - Just a Crossdresser

October 27th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah voices her concern to Julie about how many people--inside and outside the LGBTQ+ community--see crossdressers as "just …

059 - First Loves, First Reveals, First Confidences

October 20th, 2021


In this episode, Julie--after a two-week vacation hiatus--returns with a vengeance to ask Savannah about her first true reveal to a girlfriend. From …

058 - Unpacking the Trip

October 13th, 2021


In this episode, Julie shares her angst for her upcoming trip to the beautiful state of Colorado--visiting the picturesque locales of Aspen and …

057 - Shrinking From A Fight

October 6th, 2021


In this episode, Julie admits that she took down a post on a Facebook member group after being called out with a "crossdressers aren't trans" …

056 - Wearing Our Labels

September 29th, 2021


In this episode, Julie and Savannah chat about how the next-door neighbors finally happened about Savannah. Smells like an opportunity to share!! On …

055 - A Revealing Correspondence

September 22nd, 2021


In this episode, Julie brings a letter from a dual-gender person named Amelia. In this letter, Amelia reveals herself to certain family members she …

054 - All in the Family

September 15th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah has news she wants to share with Julie! On a trip back to New York and Connecticut, Savannah's cis-girlfriend, Judy, took …

053 - The Language of the Body Beautiful

September 8th, 2021


IN THIS EPISODE, Julie broaches the topic to Savannah of how male-to-female crossdressing people can find ways to tap into their feminine side by way …

052 - Crossdressing Accords (part 2)

September 1st, 2021


IN THIS EPISODE, Savannah pitches the idea that finding out, discovering, or being told that you are in a relationship with a male-to-female …

051 - Crossdressing Accords (part 1)

August 25th, 2021


IN THIS EPISODE, Savannah pitches the idea that finding out, discovering, or being told that you are in a relationship with a male-to-female …

050 - Book 'em, Dano, The Big Five-O

August 18th, 2021


IN THIS EPISODE, Julie surprises Savannah with a savory and sweet salvo of audio clips from previous favorite and important episodes... all leading …

049 - The Cycle of the Rumor Mill

August 11th, 2021


In this episode, Julie brings up a topic from a friend who was on the verge of purging her feminine life after being subjected to people talking in a …

048 - To TEDx and Back

August 4th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah and Julie discuss the wild ride of the no-longer secret TEDx Talk Savannah did for the North Carolina State University TEDx …

047 - Road Visibility to TEDx

July 28th, 2021


In this episode, Julie asks Savannah what the hub-bub is about with all the secrecy around one of Savannah's clandestine projects. Well, the secret …

046 - Padding the Truth

July 21st, 2021


In this episode, Julie and Savannah get into the meat of things as they chew the fat on wanting the extra junk in the trunk, bodacious ta-tas, and …

045 - Human Resources

July 14th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah regales Julie with her meeting with a crossdressing man, Johnnie, and their wife, Angie. During that meeting, Angie …

044 - Quiz Show (part 2)

July 7th, 2021


In this second parter of our ask and answer session, Julie continues quizzing Savannah with her series of long-awaited questions from the listening …

043 - Quiz Show (part 1)

June 30th, 2021


In this episode, Julie surprises Savannah with a series of long-awaited questions from the listening audience. From advice from one feminine …

042 - Blue Sky - The Way Women Are Seen

June 23rd, 2021



In this episode, Julie speaks passionately and fiercely about how women are viewed and treated in a Man's world, …

041 - Hey, Baby! I Love Giving You Pet Names!

June 16th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah airs her grievances to Julie concerning unsolicited private messages through social media where the opening line sounds …

040 - Breaking Open the Closet Door... Again

June 9th, 2021


In this episode, Julie reads a message from a male-to-female crossdressing person named Candice. In the social media letter Candice describes her …

039 - Facing the Purge

June 2nd, 2021


In this episode, Julie and Savannah discuss the physical and psychological circumstances and conditions for why crossdressing men feed the need to …

038 - Vulnerability on the Rocks with a Tranny Chaser

May 26th, 2021


In this episode, Julie tells Savannah a listener was a little disappointed with the "020 - Gurl Crush" episode. While hearing about how being …

037 - Blue Sky - Holidays and the Chill, Revisited

May 19th, 2021



In this episode, Julie and Savannah harken back to cooler weather by revisiting the winter sun and the chill that grips …

036 - The Divinity of Femininity

May 12th, 2021


In this episode, Julie braves the perceived West Coast-ish juju of the divine femininity and how it applies to those men with necessary feminine …

035 - Sexual Healing

May 5th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah reads a Facebook post to Julie from Cristianne K. What follows is a discussion and content dissection about how fetishistic …

034 - Significant Ones, One Super-Sized Episode

April 28th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah and Julie searched the planet for cis-female partners of MTF crossdressing men. Asking questions about the wonderful …

033 - Baby's Day Out

April 21st, 2021


In this episode, Savannah is overly excited to regale Julie with her experience when wife Gaby covertly planned a surprise makeover for her husband …


April 19th, 2021


In this episode... Julie and Savannah reach 10,000 listens!! 'Nuff Said!!

Thank you so much to our listeners!!

032 - A Crossdressing COVID Life

April 14th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah and Julie revisit the crossdressing experience as it pertains to life during the COVID pandemic. Julie reads messages from …

031 - Hate Male

April 7th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah reads aloud a comment from a social media user on one of her "Living with Crossdressing - Defining a New Normal" Facebook profile post pics. The negative message talks about "... God …

030 - Blue Sky - Expectations, Karaoke, and Meaty Tucks

March 31st, 2021



In this episode, Julie and Savannah cover a gamut of conversation... from setting realistic expectations when going out …

029 - Calculating Gender Percentages

March 24th, 2021


in this episode, Julie talks about the coziness of hot apple cider and asks Savannah about the ending to a recent blog post to better understand how …

028 - Luscious, Lavish and Lacquered Lamination

March 17th, 2021


In this episode, Julie dips a toe in the water by asking Savannah about going to get a pedicure with her girlfriend.  From the soles of her feet, to …

027 - Semi-Decent Proposal

March 10th, 2021


In this week's episode, Savannah reveals a deep, hidden secret to Julie... namely, the fact that a member of Instagram approached Savannah through a …

026 - Gender and Sexuality

March 3rd, 2021


In this week's episode, Julie and Savannah discuss a topic from Savannah's second book, "Living with Crossdressing: Discovering Your True Identity", …

025 - Blue Sky - Crossdressers' Motto... Always Be Prepared

February 24th, 2021



In this episode... Savannah and Julie discuss what happens in the situation where after you have revealed yourself to …

024 - The Effects of Aging... Are We Like A Fine Wine?

February 17th, 2021


In this week's episode, Julie asks a question based on her daughter's perception of how old people look to her and a recent brush with her own recent …

023 - The Cost of Chasing Beauty

February 10th, 2021


In this episode, Savanah brings a text conversation to the table from the wife of a crossdressing husband, highlighting her feelings of insecurity of her own beauty in direct comparison to her husband's makeup skill and …

022 - Blue Sky - Being Corny, Technical , Inquisitive, and Self-Reliant

February 5th, 2021



In this episode... Julie laughs at how corny Savannah is! Then, our co-hosts talk about being their own advocates when …

021 - Leaving Masculinity Behind?

February 3rd, 2021


Julie brings the difficult discussion topic in this episode about the how masculinity plays a part in the friction between non-transitioning and …

020 - Gurl Crushes

January 27th, 2021


In this episode, Julie asks Savannah about what it means to have active admirers on social media. From male admirers looking for intimacy to other …

019 - Oversexed and Underage

January 20th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah reads a text from Skye--a reader of her first book, "Living with Crossdressing: Defining a New Normal"--where she exclaims …

018 - Feminized By Force

January 13th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah and Julie unpack what it means to be forced feminized, as it applies to male-to-female crossdressers and trans-women. Julie …

017 - Shame, Shame, Shame...

January 6th, 2021


In this episode, Savannah and Julie discuss the shame that causes many male-to-female crossdressers to continually hide who they are in terms of …

16.2 - Say Goodbye to 2020, Beyotches!!

January 1st, 2021



In this episode, Savannah and Julie say goodbye to 2020 with a series of terrible 2020 countdowns, some drunk-not-drunk …

Blue Sky 16.1 - Creature Comforts, the new Sta-bys, and Inappropriate Behavior

December 30th, 2020



In this episode... Savannah and Julie discuss selling off companies and franchising, the creation of a new joint …

016 - Where Can I Go?

December 23rd, 2020


Bear witness to Savannah's panicky caffeine-ageddon. A listener message leaves our cohosts wondering how best to help crossdressers know how and …

015 - The Handsome Beautiful Letter

December 16th, 2020


Julie reads a letter from a listener. What are we to do when we want to be described as beautiful and cute and pretty... even if presenting in a way …

Blue Sky 14.1 - Fighting the Stereotypes

December 9th, 2020


What begins as a question about the appropriateness (or editing out) of Savannah trying to do a Jewish accent on air for a previous episode becomes a …

014 - Say My Name!

December 2nd, 2020


Julie poses the hard question to her co-host, "How did you come up with the name Savannah?".  From the legendary convention of taking your first …

Blue Sky 13.1 - Gobble Gobble, Y'all!

November 26th, 2020


Welcome to another BLUE SKY bonus episode!

In this episode, Savannah and Julie give thanks to each other, the podcast, the listeners, and to those …

013 Make Up Test

November 25th, 2020


What happens when Julie asks Savannah about her make-up routine? Well, the result is a multi-step tutorial from shower to hair... and every step in …

012 - What Does Transgender Even Mean? (part 2)

November 18th, 2020


NOTE: This episode deals with a topic that may be triggering for some listeners.

What happens when Savannah surprises Julie with a topic that …

011 - What Does Transgender Even Mean? (part 1)

November 11th, 2020


NOTE: This episode deals with a topic that may be triggering for some listeners.

What happens when Savannah surprises Julie with a topic that …

Blue Sky 10.1 - Long Exhale for Many

November 9th, 2020


Welcome to another BLUE SKY episode.

These are bite-sized episodes for your listening pleasure.

In this episode, Savannah and Julie touch on the week …

010 - Dude Looks Like a Lady

November 4th, 2020


While Julie instantly connected with Savannah after meeting her virtually as guests on another podcast, Julie struggled to come to terms with meeting …

009 - Halloween... the Crossdressers' Christmas

October 28th, 2020


It's that time of year again. The spooky and hallowed eve when women shed their layers for something with "sexy" in the title and when crossdressers  used the cover of darkness--and the throngs of costumes neighbors, …

Blue Sky 8.2 - Miscellaneous October Musings

October 23rd, 2020


Welcome to another BLUE SKY episode.

These are bite-sized episodes for your listening pleasure!

In this episode, Savannah and Julie have strung …

Blue Sky 8.1 - Oops! I Did It Again!

October 21st, 2020


Welcome to the fourth BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

Savannah regales the always supportive and lovely Julie …

008 Accidental Discovery over Wine and Cheese

October 14th, 2020


What happens when your male self attends a vendor-sponsored, work-related, virtual wine and cheese tasting event... and your femme name in on your Zoom profile pic? Well, Savannah unravels the aforementioned event--and, …

007 Its All About That Book... About That Book... No Trouble

October 7th, 2020


Julie starts off with a serenade of a song snippet! What? Then, it's all about book learnin' as Savannah and Julie both share about their writing …

Blue Sky 6.1 - All or Nothing

September 30th, 2020


Welcome to the third BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

Uh oh... Savannah climbs up on her soapbox to preach (sister!) about how she is very binary in her gender expressions, while …

006 Marilyn Monroe and an Updraft, plus more...

September 23rd, 2020


Savannah and Julie finish their chocolate milk and PB&J to ramble on about topics not even meant for the podcast! A simple question about "what …

005 Debunking Deuteronomy 22:5... and other things

September 16th, 2020


American King James Version (Deuteronomy 22:5)
"The woman shall not wear that which pertains to a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination to the LORD your God."
Savannah talks …

Blue Sky 4.1 - Truth and Consequences

September 9th, 2020


Welcome to the second BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

How can any crossdressing men live a best life? It starts with the journey to self-discovery and ends with self-acceptance and …

004 Family Jules - From Stylish Fashionista to Proud Ally

September 2nd, 2020


In this episode, Savannah grills Julie on how she started the style and fashion consultancy of Fox and Hanger, as well as how she found herself …

003 Savannah's Song - From her First Time to Visibility in the South

August 26th, 2020


Savannah is on the hot seat this episode as Julie peppers her with questions about her crossdressing. From her earliest crossdressing memories where …

Blue Sky 2.1 - Living on the Fringe

August 19th, 2020


Welcome to the first BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

What do we know about different types of crossdressers and …

002 Baristas, Kids Today, The Pandemic, and Hope for the Future

August 12th, 2020


In this episode, Julie Rubenstein, the co-founder and Style Consultant from Fox and Hanger, and Savannah Hauk, author of the "Living with …

001 Our Superhero Origin Story

August 5th, 2020


Julie and Savannah talk about how they met and how sharing a dream idea through email correspondence led to the creation of a podcast together From …

Everyone loves the trailers before the movies, right?

July 10th, 2020


Savannah Hauk, male-to-female crossdresser and author of the "Living with Crossdressing" book series, joins forces with Julie Rubenstein, proud ally …

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