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The Derivative

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Welcome to The Derivative by RCM Alternatives, where we dive into what makes alternative investments go, analyze the strategies of unique hedge fund managers, and chat with interesting guests from across the investment world. Hosted by RCM Managing Partner, Jeff Malec, join us to take a ride through… read more


Don’t Buy the Narrative (and It’s All Narrative) with Epsilon Theory’s Ben Hunt

Our guest today is somewhat of a modern philosopher, mapping out how the investing world sees the real world, while at the same time questioning his own place in that world and how he can change it for the better. Ben Hunt, Co-Founder of Second Foundation Partners and creator of the Epsilon Theory blog, joins us on The Derivative, offering up his fresh perspective and novel insights into market dynamics. Today, Ben is sharing his knowledge on identifying narrative patterns, how to be authentic in the hedge fund world, new trading strategies, living on the “farm” (depending on whose definition), starting a software company, Tom King comic books, models based on narrative research, the market being a bonfire,  returning investor $$, the beginning of Epsilon Theory, narrative maps, AI vs AP, the investing industrial complex, being authentic, FANG diminishing the narrative approach, aggregating N-95 masks & raising a million dollars for COVID, Ben’s affinity for goats, and the “game” of markets.

Take a look at a few examples of Ben’s narrative maps of all articles published on CNBC website, Central Bank Omnipotence, and building the narrative machine.


00:00-02:16 = Intro

02:17-27:55 = From a farm in Connecticut, Philosophy, to Figuring out “The Patterns”

27:56-51:40 = The Investing Industrial Complex, is the Market a Bonfire? Narrative Structure not Sentiment

51:41-1:03:28 = Dealer Gamma Hedging and Creating a Story

1:03:29-1:09:53 = N95 Masks - Let us feel Good about the world

1:09:54-1:15:39 =Favorites

Follow along with Ben Hunt on Twitter (@EpsilonTheory), the Epsilon Theory & Second Foundation Partners website, and connect with him Twitter on LinkedIn.

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Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visit

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