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The Defiant

68 EpisodesProduced by Camila RussoWebsite

The internet of money is being built with blockchain technology and without banks. We call it DeFi, short for Decentralized Finance, and this is where you can hear the builders and users of this cutting edge world tell their stories first hand. Hosted by Camila Russo.

68 Episodes | 2020 - 2021

"ETH and most DeFi is Trading Cheaper Than Web2 and With Better Growth:” VanEck's Matthew Sigel

September 20th, 2021

1:08:30

In this week’s episode we speak with Matthew Sigel, head of digital asset research at VanEck, an asset management firm overseeing $80 billion, which has shifted its focus heavily into crypto. They started out with …

"There's Going to Be a DeFi Universe Geared Towards Non-Fungible Assets:" NFTfi's Stephen Young

September 14th, 2021

43:26

In this week’s episode I speak with Stephen Young, the founder and CEO of NFTfi, a platform for enabling NFT-backed loans. For some people, decentralized finance and nonfungible tokens sit on two separate worlds; DeFi …

"NFTs are Giving Way to The First Art Revolution Since the Internet:" SuperRare's John Crain

September 6th, 2021

1:02:26

In this week’s episode, I speak with John Crain, the co-founder & CEO of SuperRare, one of the top NFT marketplaces. SuperRare wants to differentiate itself by being the NFT marketplace that best curates art, …

"I Realized We Could Scale Play-to-Earn to Impact Thousands, Hopefully Millions of Lives:" YGG's Gabby Dizon

August 30th, 2021

52:07

In this week’s episode, I speak with Gabby Dizon, co-founder of Yield Guild Games, or YGG. Long before Gabby was into crypto he was into gaming, and that’s how he started playing Axie Infinity, a blockchain-based game …

"There's Been a Zero-to-One Switch for Institutions and Crypto:" Pantera's Dan Morehead

August 23rd, 2021

1:01:16

In this week’s episode, we speak with Dan Morehead, the founder of one of the longest-standing and largest crypto funds. Dan founded Pantera Capital in 2003 as a global macro hedge fund. In 2013, Pantera began investing …

"There is No Political Voice to the Millions of Crypto Users in the US:" Ryan Selkis

August 16th, 2021

1:05:58

In this week’s episode we speak with Ryan Selkis, CEO and founder of Messari, one of the most popular crypto data and research companies.  Recently, …

"We're Not Really at an Inflection Point Yet:" OpenSea's Nate Chastain

August 9th, 2021

1:01:27

In this week’s episode we interview Nate Chastain, head of product at OpenSea. Opensea got its start back in 2017 when CryptoKitties launched on Ethereum. After those digital cats, the NFT space was pretty dead for the …

"We Get to Tell Future Pixar Animators They Can Quit Their Jobs and Come Build With NFTs:" Stoner Cats Team

August 2nd, 2021

1:02:26

In this week’s episode, I speak with some of the creators and investors behind Stoner Cats, the NFT-infused adult cartoon show about a group of cats …

"I'm Not an Enemy of DeFi; I Want People to Know About Anything That Goes Against DeFi as a Tool for Financial Liberty:" Chris Blec

July 26th, 2021

1:14:58

In this week’s episode, I interview Chris Blec, a researcher advocating for transparency in DeFi.  He was first drawn to cryptocurrencies through …

“The Biggest, Clearest Bet of All is Ethereum:" Raoul Pal

July 19th, 2021

1:04:49

In this week’s episode I interview Raoul Pal, who retired from the hedge fund world at 36 years old and has run financial media company Real Vision

"It's Almost Like EIP-1559 Fixes an Economic Bug in Ethereum; More Usage Can Now Capture More Value:" Tim Beiko

July 12th, 2021

1:09:29

In this week’s episode we speak with Tim Beiko, who organizes the Ethereum core developers calls and knows all the intricacies and latest development of the world’s most active blockchain. We spoke right after Beiko had …

"V3 is Winding Back a Bit of the Uniswap Revolution; It's Going to be Very Influential:" Dan Robinson

July 2nd, 2021

1:05:09

In this week’s episode we speak with Dan Robinson, a research partner at Paradigm, one of the most active VC funds in DeFi and crypto. One of the …

"There Will be Billion-Dollar Communities on the Internet:” Jess Sloss

June 25th, 2021

1:02:39

In this week’s episode we speak with Jess Sloss, the instigator of Seed Club, a DAO that builds and invests in community tokens. We talk about the emergence of the social token economy, and how that’s different from the …

"VCs Typically Treat Community as an Afterthought; That's Wrong:" Soona Amhaz

June 18th, 2021

59:17

In this week’s episode, I speak with Soona Amhaz of Volt Capital. Soona saw the value of crypto from very close when her family lost most of their …

"Having Legal Tender in a Currency You Cannot Control Means You Cannot Print Problems Away:" Mariano Conti

June 11th, 2021

1:02:46

In this week’s episode I speak with Mariano Conti, the former head of smart contracts at MakerDAO. Mariano knows the value of having permissionless …

"Everyone Can be Rich in Crypto; There are no Divine Rights:" Terry Crews

June 4th, 2021

1:06:23

In this week’s episode, I speak with Terry Crews, a legit star. He was a professional football player, has starred in multiple Hollywood films and …

"The Bull Market is Intact for the Next 10 to 20 Years; We are in a Secular Shift:" Arca's Jeff Dorman

May 28th, 2021

1:04:35

In this week’s episode, I interview Jeff Dorman, chief investment officer at Arca, an investment management firm focusing on digital assets. Jeff has been valuing assets for the past 20 years, from investment-grade …

"Blockchains are Adding Property Rights to the Internet:" Kayvon Tehranian

May 21st, 2021

1:04:01

In this week’s episode I interview Kayvon Tehranian, founder & CEO of Foundation, a platform for minting, buying and selling non-fungible tokens. We talked about the future of the internet —Kayvon believes …

"Ethereum is About Six Months Away from Proof-of-Stake:" Preston Van Loon

May 14th, 2021

1:07:18

In today’s episode, we interview Preston Van Loon. Preston co-founded Prysmatic Labs, one of the main teams building Ethereum 2.0, and has been leading that team for the past three years. On top of that, he recently …

"Identity is The One Vulnerability Being Exploited Across All Systems. It’s the Mother of All Battles:" Santiago Siri

May 10th, 2021

1:00:44

In this week’s podcast we interview Santiago Siri, who has been working on improving the way democracy works for over a decade. He started from the …

"We Said Let's Start With Uniswap and See What We Can Unbundle:" Pranay Mohan of Hashflow

April 30th, 2021

1:13:19

In this week’s episode, we talk with Varun Kumar and Pranay Mohan from Hashflow, a new decentralized exchange that wants to unbundle Uniswap. What this means is, they want to keep the non-custodial side and the …

"We're Lifting Barriers For Outside Users; If You Allocate Capital in a Vacuum, It's Kind of Meaningless:" Terra's Do Kwon

April 16th, 2021

1:08:02

In this week’s episode, we interview Do Kwon, cofounder of the Terra ecosystem which includes a payments network, a stablecoin, a lending protocol …

"It's Not About Fighting for People Already in DeFi, But About Bringing More People In:" SushiSwap's 0xMaki

April 9th, 2021

1:03:00

In this week's episode we interview 0xMaki, an anonymous DeFi developer contributing to SushiSwap and Yearn Finance protocols. We talk about growing …

"Collector DAOs Are Going to be a Game-Changer For The NFT Space:" pplpleasr

April 2nd, 2021

1:01:44

In this week’s episode we talk with the DeFi artist of the moment. Pplpleasr got into DeFi drawn in by the crazy yields but really stayed when she …

"I Try to Tell People About DeFi; It Will Come Here and Completely Flatten You:" Jim Bianco

March 26th, 2021

1:06:00

Jim Bianco has decades of experience as a macro markets researcher. He's been leading his firm Bianco Research since 1990 and was at UBS and Lehman Brothers before that.  It was after installing MetaMask, and doing some …

"People Are Seeing The Writing on The Wall; DEXs Will Rule Crypto:" dYdX's Antonio Juliano

March 19th, 2021

58:49

In this week’s episode we speak with Antonio Juliano, founder and CEO of dYdX, one of the biggest decentralized exchanges on Ethereum, focusing on …

"I Don't Think We're in a Bubble. We Had a Bubble in ‘17; Now We're in a Movement:" Mike Novogratz

March 12th, 2021

49:04

In this week’s episode we speak with Mike Novogratz, the CEO of Galaxy Digital. He started his career at Goldman Sachs and then led a macro hedge …

"We Were Idiots and We Were Poor; Then From Mid 2020 to Now, Suddenly, We're Right: " Ameen Soleimani

March 5th, 2021

1:12:26

In this week’s episode I interview Ameen Soleimani, one of the most prolific builders in Ethereum. He’s the CEO of SpankChain, a blockchain-based …

"We Haven't Seen Anything Yet, So Hold Your Long-Term Bag:" Qiao Wang

February 19th, 2021

58:12

In this week’s podcast episode, we speak with long-time crypto investor Qiao Wang. Wang is a partner at the DeFi Alliance and former head of product at Messari. Unlike many Bitcoiners who get into crypto because of …

Mark Cuban: "ETH Has an Advantage Over BTC as a Store of Value"

February 12th, 2021

1:04:31

In this week’s episode, we speak with Mark Cuban, Dallas Mavericks owner, billionaire investor and Shark Tank star. It’s been hard to pin down if Cuban is a crypto skeptic or believer. He has questioned the value of …

"For the First Time, You Can Buy a Piece of the Art, and a Piece of the Gallery:" MetaKovan

February 6th, 2021

1:08:38

In this week’s podcast episode we interview MetaKovan, the pseudonymous investor who holds the largest known NFT collection in his Metapruse fund, …

Crypto Devs Are "Building a Life Raft For The World After Fiat Falls Apart:" Erik Voorhees

January 29th, 2021

57:28

In today’s episode, I speak with Erik Voorhees, long-time crypto advocate and founder and CEO of ShapeShift. In this interview, he talks about how he was able to stop gathering information about his customers and take …

"I'm Imagining a World Where Every Song Has an Investable Layer:" DJ 3LAU

January 15th, 2021

46:08

Justin Blau, better known as 3LAU, is a DJ who frequently plays at all the major festivals, he produces his own successful tracks, as well as remixes …

"I'm a Strong Believer in Blockchain; This is Just the Beginning:" Atari CEO Fred Chesnias

January 8th, 2021

50:42

In this week’s episode I interview Fred Chesnias, the CEO of Atari.  The video game company now has a token and plans to release a wallet and even an exchange.   The token is an erc20, which Atari hopes will get used …

"Bitcoin is the Most Honest Form of Money We've Ever Had:" Robert Sharratt of CrescoFin

December 23rd, 2020

1:14:59

In this week’s episode, I speak with Robert Sharratt, managing director at CrescoFin, a Swiss-regulated crypto firm which wants to become a bank …

"We Took Lessons From the Food Festival to Level Up the DeFi Experience," Bloq's Jeff Garzik

December 14th, 2020

59:27

In today’s episode I talk with Jeff Garzik, the Bitcoin core developer turned DeFi builder.  Jeff comes from leading Bloq, a blockchain infrastructure company focusing on enterprises. As much as decentralized finance is …

"The Only Thing Where I Probably Agree With Arca is That GNO is Under-appreciated:" Gnosis' Stefan George

December 7th, 2020

1:01:50

In this week’s episode I speak with Stefan George, the cofounder and CTO of Gnosis. Gnosis is one of the OG Ethereum projects. It was founded in 2015 by Stefan and Martin Koppelman as a prediction market platform on …

"This Boom Feels Organic; Traffic's Not Coming Out of The Blue Like With ICOs in 2017:" Infura's EG Galano

November 30th, 2020

58:36

In this week’s episode I speak with E.G. Galano, cofounder of Infura, an infrastructure provider for Ethereum and other blockchains. Many Ethereum applications depend on Infura to run their nodes, and it became apparent …

"You Can Wake Up With an Idea for a Fund and Deploy it in Minutes:" Melon's Mona El Isa

November 23rd, 2020

51:05

This weeks podcast episode is with Mona El Isa, the co-founder of Melon, a decentralized asset management protocol. Mona tells the story of how she …

"I Do Believe Ethereum Will Flip Bitcoin in the Next Four Years:” Balancer's Fernando Martinelli

November 16th, 2020

1:11:27

In this week’s episode, I speak with Illia Polosukhin, cofounder of the Near Protocol and Fernando Martinelli, co-founder and CEO of Balancer Labs.

"When Incentives Are Gone, What's Left? DeFi Gets Mixed Marks:" Sam Bankman-Fried

November 9th, 2020

1:16:56

In this week’s interview, I speak with Sam Bankman-Fried, co-founder and CEO of crypto liquidity provider Alameda Research and derivatives exchange …

"We've Been Creating Value for Instagram and TikTok With Very Little Actually Accruing to Us:" Trevor McFedries

November 2nd, 2020

50:05

This week’s interview is with Trevor McFedries, who is behind Lil Miquela, a 19-year-old aspiring pop star with almost 3M Instagram followers, …

"I'm Not Super Bullish on DeFi. We're Using This Tech to Enrich a Small Group of People:" James Prestwich

October 26th, 2020

1:15:39

The founder of Summa speaks to The Defiant about why he has become disillusioned with decentralized finance. Stories of financial inclusion are much rarer than stories of somebody raising hundreds of millions in a token …

"Privacy Might be the Only Thing Left That Makes Web 3.0 a Viable Alternative:" Tor Bair of Secret Foundation

October 19th, 2020

58:46

In this week’s podcast episode I interview Tor Bair, the founder of Secret Foundation, an organization which promotes privacy-preserving …

"Fintech Can Be a 1.5 Bridge Into 2.0 DeFi:" 11:FS Co-Founder Simon Taylor

October 12th, 2020

54:57

I interviewed Simon Taylor. Simon has the rare quality of being very knowledgeable about decentralized finance but also about fintech. He is the …

"Fair Launch is a New Way for Founders to Express Themselves:" Gavin McDermott of IDEO CoLab

October 3rd, 2020

54:48

Hello Defiers! In this week’s interview, I spoke with Gavin McDermott. He's an investor at IDEO CoLab Ventures, the venture arm of design firm IDEO, and he’s one of the creators of Fair Launch Capital. While the name …

"It Was Exciting But it Was Also Terrifying:" Dan Elitzer and Clinton Bembry on Yam Finance's Backstory

September 26th, 2020

1:02:33

In this week’s episode, I spoke with Dan Elitzer and Clinton Bembry, who were part of the founding team of Yam. Yam Finance is an experiment in …

"After DeFi, it’s NFTs and DAOs. We're Gathering Tinder:" Jihoz of Axie Infinity

September 19th, 2020

59:08

This week’s interview is with Jeff Zirlin, aka Jihoz, growth lead at Axie Infinity. Axie is a digital game built on Ethereum, which involves cute …

"It Turns Out Music Does Have Value. We've Been Pricing It Incorrectly For 20 Years:" RAC

September 12th, 2020

1:10:52

Hello Defiers! In this week’s interview, we chatted with Grammy Award-winning DJ Andre Anjos, aka RAC. Many have seen cryptocurrencies as a way to decentralize the financial system, thanks to the innovation of digital …

"What We're Building is Very Big and We Should Have The Least Concentration Possible:" Aave's Stani Kulechov

August 29th, 2020

59:21

Stani Kulechov the founder and CEO of Aave. When we spoke Aave was the second-largest DeFi protocol, but in the days after our conversation, it rose …

"It's not just about money; it's touching a very primal desire to connect with others:" ParaFi's Santiago Roel

August 25th, 2020

1:02:02

Santiago Roel is partner at ParaFi Capital, one of the most active investment funds in DeFi. Before going full crypto, Santiago worked at JPMorgan’s …

"People Want me to be Popular, Not Necessarily Successful; That's the Trick with Personal Tokens:" Alex Masmej

August 15th, 2020

56:58

In this week’s episode I speak with Alex Masmej, the first person to raise money by selling tokens not linked to any project, but linked to himself, …

"In DeFi My Money is Actually Mine. It's a Beautiful Concept But it Comes With Responsibilities:" Andre Cronje

August 8th, 2020

1:15:05

Andre Cronje is the developer of the yearn platform and YFI token. There’s this sort of mysticism around Andre: The solo genius builder who …

"We're at the Early Stages of a Truly Novel Structure That can Organize Humans and Money:" Olaf Carlson-Wee

August 1st, 2020

53:02

In today’s episode, I speak with Polychain Capital founder Olaf Carlson-Wee. He was already telling Wired magazine about programmatic finance back in …

"Developers Will Wake Up to the Fact That There's a Toolkit to Build Full-Fledged Customized Chains:" Acala's Bette Chen

July 25th, 2020

59:53

In this week’s epidose I speak with Bette Chen and Ruitao Su, who are building DeFi on Polkadot. While most of DeFi is being built on Etheruem, here …

"Things Tend to Get Better. For Anyone Involved in Crypto, It's Obvious That This is 1,000x Better," 1kx's Lasse Clausen

July 18th, 2020

52:18

In this week's episode, I speak with Lasse Clausen, founding partner of 1kx, one of the most active venture funds in DeFi. A typical VC question in the traditional tech space is it a 10x? Is it 10 times faster, better, …

"Basic Financial Services is a 21st-Century Fundamental Human Need:" OMG Network's Vansa Chatikavanij

July 11th, 2020

1:00:36

This week’s interview is with Vansa Chatikavanij , the CEO of OMG Network. The Bangkok-based project formerly known as OmiseGo has spearheaded …

"All the Dizzying Ways People are Farming Yield is Proof of DeFi Composability's Success:" Ampleforth CTO

June 27th, 2020

1:09:16

In this week’s interview, I spoke with Brandon Iles, the CTO of Ampleforth. Brandon  is a former Google and Uber software engineer, and built his first crypto app together with Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong. Today, he’s …

DEX Progress to be a "Landmark Event" Over the Summer: Framework Ventures

June 19th, 2020

1:01:29

This week’s interview is with Michael Anderson and Vance Spencer, co-founders of crypto venture fund Framework Ventures. Michael and Vance live and breathe crypto. The live together, work together, and spend all their …

"The World is Crying for the Tech We're Building But We're Nowhere Near Ready:" Aragon's Luis Cuende

June 13th, 2020

53:34

This week’s interview is with Aragon co-founder Luis Cuende. Aragon is a platform for users to create their own decentralized autonomous organizations. DAOS are organizations that have as much of its operations put into …

"There's the Opportunity to Make Really Complex Financial Instruments More Accessible”: Opyn's Alexis Gauba

June 5th, 2020

54:01

In this week’s interview I talk with Alexis Gauba, the cofounder of Opyn. Alexis and her team built the first decentralized options market, on …

Blockchain Devs Are Neglecting Data-Related Risks, Chainlink's Sergey Nazarov Says

May 30th, 2020

1:02:04

This week’s interview is with Sergey Nazarov, the cofounder of oracle provider Chainlink. The way blockchain applications get their data has proven to be crucial, as failures in those systems have been at the core of …

Winklevoss Twins Say Stablecoins Are Still Missing Their "Facebook Moment"

May 21st, 2020

1:04:04

This week's episode is an interview with Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss. We talked bout everything from crypto in the pandemic, to Facebook's Libra and …

Anyone Can Create Their Own ETF and Get Paid for It; This Wasn't Possible Before

May 15th, 2020

51:17

This week’s interview is with Fernando Martinelli, co-founder and CEO of Balancer Labs. Balancer Labs is an AMM with a twist. Instead of liquidity …

Blockchains are an Extinction-Level Event: Emin Gun Sirer

May 1st, 2020

1:12:20

Emin Gun Sirer is a Cornell University computer science professor who has been deeply involved in the Bitcoin and Ethereum communities from the very …

Crypto Was Made for Crises: MEW's Kosala Hemachandra

April 25th, 2020

42:29

Hello Defiers! This week’s interview is with MyEtherWallet founder and CEO Kosala Hemachandra. As the head of  one of the most popular Ethereum …

Decentralized Money Shouldn't be Traded on Centralized Exchanges: Loopring Founder Daniel Wang

April 15th, 2020

47:39

In this week’s episode we talk with Daniel Wang, CEO and founder of the Loopring protocol. The exchange built on the protocol launched a little over …

MakerDAO Founder Rune Christensen On DeFi's Biggest Test Yet

April 8th, 2020

55:09

In this week’s episode we speak with Rune Christensen, the founder of MakerDAO, the largest lending platform by assets in decentralized finance and the issuer of the Dai stablecoin. Rune has been in crypto since 2011 …

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