The Argument

35 EpisodesProduced by The New York Times Opinion

The other side is dangerously wrong. They think you are too. But for democracy to work, we need to hear each other out. Each week New York Times Opinion columnists David Leonhardt, Michelle Goldberg and Ross Douthat explain the arguments from across the political spectrum. Their candid debates help … read more

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Death to the Meritocracy with Andrew Yang

June 13th, 2019

52:00

Democratic presidential contender Andrew Yang sits down with Ross Douthat for a one-on-one interview to discuss the future of work in America, universal basic income, Yang's unorthodox path to the presidency and whether …

Are Democrats Too Scared to Impeach? (LIVE from Boston)

June 6th, 2019

40:25

Why aren't the Democrats ready to impeach President Trump? The columnists ask Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey in this live episode recorded at WBUR …

The United States of Socialism?

May 30th, 2019

38:31

Why is socialism so popular in the United States right now? Michelle Goldberg talks with Bhaskar Sunkara, the editor of Jacobin magazine, to discuss …

President Pete? One-on-One With Buttigieg

May 23rd, 2019

53:33

Why is the 37-year-old mayor of South Bend, Ind., running for president — and what would he do if he won? David Leonhardt sits down with Pete …

Is Trump Right About China?

May 16th, 2019

32:24

What's the right way for the United States to take on China? Ross Douthat, Michelle Goldberg and David Leonhardt debate Trump's trade war and China's …

Is the Trump Economic Boom for Real?

May 9th, 2019

31:11

How strong is the American economy — and how much credit should President Trump get for it? Ross Douthat, Michelle Goldberg and David Leonhardt …

How to Fix the Criminal Justice System

May 2nd, 2019

41:47

What’s the best way to solve America’s mass incarceration crisis? NYT Magazine writer and "Charged" author Emily Bazelon joins Michelle Goldberg to …

Is It Time to Impeach Trump?

April 25th, 2019

39:09

Robert Mueller's (redacted) report is out, but now what? Can the Democrats use it to impeach President Donald Trump? Ross Douthat, David Leonhardt and special guest Michelle Cottle of The Times's editorial board …

Which 2020 Underdogs Stand a Chance? (LIVE from NYC)

April 17th, 2019

35:26

What should U.S. immigration policy look like? The columnists debate Kirstjen Nielsen's resignation, Trump's xenophobia and Obama's legacy on …

Should Biden Run?

April 4th, 2019

35:43

Is Joe Biden the Democrats’ best hope to beat Trump in 2020? Or is he woefully behind the times? Ross Douthat, Michelle Goldberg and David Leonhardt …

Who Botched the Mueller Report?

March 28th, 2019

35:19

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia has wrapped, and Attorney General William Barr's letter to Congress has been delivered. Michelle, Ross and David debate whether …

Is Trump Causing White Terrorism?

March 21st, 2019

36:45

How much blame does President Trump’s deserve for New Zealand’s white-supremacist mosque shooting? Jamelle Bouie joins hosts Ross Douthat, Michelle …

One-on-One With Elizabeth Warren

March 13th, 2019

49:35

Senator Elizabeth Warren sits down with David Leonhardt for a chat about her 2020 presidential campaign. They talk Donald Trump, her proposed wealth …

How Does the Catholic Church Redeem Itself?

March 7th, 2019

32:30

Is prekindergarten for all a liberal pipe dream? The columnists sit down with special guest Mara Gay of The Times editorial board to discuss the …

Will Michael Cohen's Testimony Doom Trump?

February 28th, 2019

36:01

Was there anything in Michael Cohen's congressional testimony on Wednesday that could actually threaten Donald Trump's presidency? Michelle Goldberg …

Is Trump the Real National Emergency?

February 21st, 2019

36:23

From bypassing Congress to try to fund a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, to accusing administration officials of treason, is Donald Trump America’s national emergency? Michelle sees authoritarianism while Ross thinks …

Is the Green New Deal a Leftist Fantasy?

February 14th, 2019

39:06

Is the Green New Deal a symbol of the future of the Democratic Party, or is it just socialism disguised as climate reform? Ross Douthat and Michelle …

The Abortion Argument

February 7th, 2019

45:21

This is not your typical argument about abortion. Ross Douthat and Michelle Goldberg debate women's reproductive health this week and while it's no …

Who's Ahead in the Race to Beat Trump?

January 31st, 2019

36:56

Democrats are throwing their hats in the ring for the 2020 presidential election, but who has a real shot? Opinion's new columnist, Jamelle Bouie, …

Have Republicans Betrayed the Working Class?

January 24th, 2019

40:24

Is anti-Zionism just another form of anti-Semitism? Michelle and special guest Bret Stephens debate liberal critiques of Israel and the future of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Then, is Tucker Carlson really a …

How Trump Loses the G.O.P.

January 17th, 2019

35:32

An ongoing government shutdown. More Russia revelations. Ross, David and Michelle agree there’s a point at which Republicans could turn on Trump. But …

Why Do Powerful Women Make America Panic?

January 10th, 2019

36:33

The government shutdown continues as Trump and the Democrats battle over the border wall. Who is winning? Which side makes the stronger immigration …

Your Questions, Answered

January 3rd, 2019

37:36

Our listeners asked: what will be the negative consequences of social media on kids? How can we solve income inequality in America? Which Democrat …

Should Weed Be Legal?

December 20th, 2018

37:13

Has "big cannabis" downplayed the dangers of legalization? Michelle Goldberg debates author Alex Berenson, whose forthcoming book makes the case …

Will Trump's Presidency Survive 2019?

December 13th, 2018

35:11

Trump's mounting legal problems have the columnists wondering if he'll finish his first term. Michelle Goldberg visualizes President Pelosi. …

Is Donald Trump A Traitor?

December 6th, 2018

35:36

Trump's Russia entanglement has the columnists asking, "Is the president a traitor?" Ross Douthat sits down with Lawfare's executive editor Susan …

What Do We Do About Climate Change?

November 29th, 2018

34:13

How can climate change be solved if politicians can't even agree there's a problem? The columnists brainstorm. Then, David Leonhardt visits Capitol …

Do We Need A Third Party?

November 21st, 2018

33:59

A listener's voicemail asks the columnists, does America need a third party? Then, just in time for Thanksgiving, our argumentative trio dishes out …

Is Amazon Bad for America?

November 15th, 2018

38:42

After Amazon announced its uninspired new headquarters locations, the columnists are surprised to find they agree on the danger of the website's …

Did Trump Lose The Midterms?

November 8th, 2018

38:01

What do the Democratic gains in the House and Republican gains in the Senate mean for the country’s future? Ross Douthat dreams of a fantastic world of rainbows, child tax credits and a better president. David Leonhardt …

Who's to Blame for American Political Violence?

November 1st, 2018

33:56

Do Republicans have an anger problem? The columnists debate whether Trump incited the recent targeted attacks. After Michelle Goldberg reports back …

How Screwed Up Is American Democracy?

October 25th, 2018

31:56

How rotten has our democratic system has become, the columnists wonder, and what could fix it? David Leonhardt is furious about voter suppression in …

Is Trump Destroying the World Order?

October 18th, 2018

31:27

With the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, David Leonhardt asks guest Thomas Friedman about the strained future of U.S.-Saudi relations. Then, …

Is the Supreme Court Broken?

October 11th, 2018

30:03

Did Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation break the Supreme Court? Michelle Goldberg feels the patriarchy’s boot on her neck. David Leonhardt cautions …

Introducing The Argument, an Opinion podcast from The New York Times

October 4th, 2018

1:37

Coming Thursday, October 11, a new Opinion podcast from The New York Times that answers the question, "How could they possibly think that?" Join …

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