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The Adverse Effect

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Everyday adversities, trending injustices, and overlooked heroes/sheroes. Get inspired, face your truth, and find the tools to overcome the everyday obstacles in your way.


Ep.56 | Part 1 | The Police Conversation We Need with Sergeant G. Michael

"People can lead you in any direction they want to...” 

- G. Michael,Police Sergeant in South Side of Chicago 


The Conversation: Where is the Justice? 

In this time of increased media attention about the use of deadly (and sometimes fatal) force, many Black people are asking: 

“What is going on?” 

Many Black people have turned to expressing their outrage over this question through protests, marches, petitions, social media posts, songs, artwork, dance, and more. 

But in the midst of answering this question, are we having the right conversation? 

In this powerful episode of the Adverse Effect, Ken talks with a Black sergeant about policing in 2020 and the difficult conversation that our society is grappling with right now. 


  • Is “Chi-Raq” an accurate view of Chicago? 
  • The power of media to create negative stereotypes 
  • Unequal education = unequal access  
  • Dealing with PTSD 
  • What does it take to be a police officer? 
  • Obstacles in a more diverse police force 
  • Understanding police...from a police’s view 
  • Police brutality and police reform 
  • Is the media unfair to the police? 
  • What is the right way towards reform? 


Takeaways of the Conversation 

Be careful what you feed your brain: The media you watch influences the thoughts you believe.

Quick conclusions lead to shallow answers: Effective solutions require more than quick conversations.

Reform cannot happen without accountability: You can’t fully fix a problem until you define what went wrong. 


The Homework: Switching Up Your Comfort Zone 

This podcast went into highly emotionally charged territory. When the media portrays stories of brutality and excessive force, it can be hard for everyone.  

For today’s homework, let’s take a step back, away from the news reports and the social media posts….and let’s try something different. 

Sergeant Michael talked about the importance of understanding the viewpoint of people who think differently than you. 

Take a moment to think about what you believe and how you typically act. Are you someone who watches FOX or CNN? Are you someone who normally reads non-fiction, try fiction. 

Give yourself just 5 minutes and try something different to expand your perspective. If you are someone who regularly watches Fox, try watching CNN or MSNBC for at least 5 minutes. If you’re someone who regularly watches CNN, try watching Fox. 

If you don’t want to use the news for this experiment, try some other part of your life. Read a fiction book if you normally non-fiction (or vice versa).  

It could even be as simple as drinking Pepsi if you’re a dedicated Coke fan. 

While the point of this 5-minute exercise is not to make light of the important issue, it is a small experiment in a very important principle in the conversation: Opening your perspective 

As Sergeant Michael pointed out, our perspective can be really limited (even when we think it’s not!) and that can lead us to close out anyone who thinks differently. This doesn’t help us understand what’s really going on.  

Stepping out of your comfort zone, even if it’s just for 5 minutes, is a way to practice growing your perspective so you can understand more of what’s going on. This makes you more informed and more powerful, regardless of what you think. 

Need some help? Check out the resources below. 



International Day of Listening:  Listening with Empathy 

Listening to the people who think we are wrong 

The Importance of Reading Books and Articles That Challenge Your Views 

5 Benefits of Stepping Outside Your Comfort Zone 


Want to share your own story? 

Want to talk about your own adversity or know someone who might have an inspiring story to share with our audience? Send out an application to become a guest on The Adverse Effect Podcast using the link below: 



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