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That's a Hard No

57 EpisodesProduced by Heather Drago and Sarah SaundersWebsite

"That’s a Hard No" is a podcast about saying no and setting boundaries to become the authentic and empowered you that this world needs. Join hosts Heather Drago, of Clever Girl Marketing, and Sarah Saunders, of Purposeful Growth and Wellness, as they explore all the different ways we can and should … read more

57 Episodes | 2020 - 2022

Hard No for the Holidays Ep 1: Creating Safe Spaces for Your LGBTQ+ Loved Ones

November 29th, 2022

42:05

We have decided to bring a holiday miniseries to our listeners to provide a safe space this holiday season to discuss the tough or taboo subjects. We …

S2 Mini12: Season 2 Takeaways

August 23rd, 2022

23:34

Talk with us about our Season 2 takeaways, what we learned, where we made changes, and how we have thought differently. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and other …

S2 E12: Common Does Not Mean Normal

August 16th, 2022

41:45

Joanna Pavlak of Healthy Core Wellness talks about pelvic floor therapy, it's importance, what to expect from a session, and when to seek help. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links …

S2 Mini 11: What Stays Confidential During Therapy?

August 9th, 2022

13:17

This minisode discusses the expectation of privacy and confidentiality during therapy. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which …

S2 E11: Saying No to Workplace Bullying

August 8th, 2022

47:53

This episode features Catherine Mattice, Founder and CEO of Civility Partners, on how to respond to, prevent, and discourage workplace bullying. …

S2 Mini 10: How to Share Insights Learned in Therapy with Friends & Family

July 26th, 2022

13:05

This minisode talks through ways to share your insights learned through therapy with family and friends. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for …

S2 E10: Embrace The Suck

July 19th, 2022

50:06

This episode talks with Terry Tucker about the power of hope and staying inspired during difficult parts of life. Visit our website –

S2 Mini 9: Life Coaching vs. Therapy. What's the Difference?

July 12th, 2022

14:14

This minisode discusses the differences between life coaching and therapy. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include …

S2 E9: The Fourth Trimester

July 5th, 2022

46:09

Dr. Susan Landers breaks down the fourth trimester- what to expect and when postpartum depression or anxiety have disrupted this time. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books …

S2 Mini8: What To Expect From Family Therapy

June 28th, 2022

15:49

This minisode breaks down what to expect from family therapy. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books …

S2 E8: Saying Yes to Joy

June 21st, 2022

40:14

This episode with Roger Williams discusses intentional living through crossing items off your bucket list. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – …

S2 Mini7: How to Find the Right Couple's Therapist

June 14th, 2022

14:28

This minisode breaks down how to find the right couple's therapist and when might be the right time to. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for …

S2 E7: Because This Takes Practice

June 7th, 2022

39:30

This episode is a discussion amongst hosts Heather and Sarah to check-in on their needs and efforts for boundary setting. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and other …

S2 Mini6: What if Therapy Isn't An Option?

May 31st, 2022

15:05

This minisode breaks down how to find a therapist and what to expect from the process. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which …

S2 E6: Boundaries & Consent - Preventing Sexual Violence

May 24th, 2022

46:44

This episode discusses best practices for society and adults in preventing sexual violence. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, …

S2 Mini 5: Therapy, Medication, or Both?

May 17th, 2022

17:26

This minisode discusses what to think about when considering medication for your mental health. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show …

S2 E5: Dealbreakers in Love

May 10th, 2022

1:01:58

Alex Mellor-Brook talks about the best practices for finding love and nurturing relationships. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show …

S2 Mini 4 What Types of Mental Health Professionals are There?

May 3rd, 2022

16:54

This minisode discusses the five most common types of mental health providers and why you may want to see them. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com

S2 E4: Rethinking Food and the Mind/Body Connection

April 26th, 2022

1:03:10

Alie Basen, registered dietician discusses ways to better our mental health through paying closer attention to our gut health. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and …

S2 Mini 3: How Do I Know if My Therapist is the Right Fit?

April 19th, 2022

17:31

This minisode provides a list of questions to help you determine if your therapist is the right fit for you. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – …

S2 E3: Living in the Slow Lane

April 12th, 2022

59:43

In a world of go, go, go, Katie Leigh Jackson helps us take a step back and learn about living in the slow lane. Tune in for some terrific social media detox tips! Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, …

S2 Mini 2: How Do I Find a Therapist?

April 5th, 2022

20:03

This minisode breaks down how to find a therapist and what to expect from the process. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which …

S2 E2 Spinning Plates

March 29th, 2022

1:01:02

Motherhood and the invisible load that comes with it can easily lead to burnout. Learn some tell-tale signs of burnout and how to utilize your village and other resources to avoid or recover from it. Visit our website –

S2 Mini 1: How Do I Know When It's Time For Me (Or Someone I Love) to Seek Therapy?

March 22nd, 2022

23:15

This season, we’re making it a priority to dig deeper into the process of finding and utilizing the mental health support you may need. We’re talking with our “in-house expert,” Sarah Saunders, about what to expect from …

S2 E1: Finding the No (Still)

March 15th, 2022

49:58

In this episode, we re-introduce ourselves and the mission of our podcast – learning how to say no and set healthy boundaries so we can be our best selves. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which …

S1 Mini 18: Season 1 Sign-off

June 1st, 2021

28:23

THANK YOU!

We’re so grateful to all of our listeners and supporters for an amazing first season. What a ride! We’re so passionate about and proud of …

S1 E13: Tony Legando

May 18th, 2021

1:15:47

In this episode, we talk with OHSFCA Hall of Fame coach, author, and motivational speaker, Tony Legando, about leadership, perseverance, and connection... and oh, so much more.

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S1 E12: Tim Dorsey

May 4th, 2021

1:29:24

In this episode, we talk with Tim Dorsey about his battle with cancer, overcoming challenges, and how "doing the reps" and understanding that "everything is everything" can help shift your mindset and change your …

S1 Mini 17: Changing Family Patterns

April 20th, 2021

15:13

In this minisode, we briefly revisit recognizing family patterns and setting boundaries to change those patterns.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other …

S1 E11: Reanna & Davis Karousis

April 13th, 2021

1:07:46

In this episode, we talk about changing family dynamics by setting boundaries, finding connection as a couple when life is crazy, and accepting whatever season of life we find ourselves in.

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S1 Mini 16: Regrets & Expectations

March 30th, 2021

32:50

In this episode, we talk about how to recognize when you're living the life others expect of you, instead of a life true to you (and what to do about it).

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which …

S1 E10: Sarah Rintamaki

March 23rd, 2021

1:06:41

In this episode, we talk with Sarah Rintamaki about saying no to societal expectations and the types of conversations we need to start having in order to facilitate change.

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S1 Mini 15: Let's Talk About Burnout

March 16th, 2021

39:55

In this special episode, our first since taking a six-week break, we talk honestly about burnout and how to alleviate it.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, …

S1 E09: MOMGULs! (Raquel Kelley & Kristen Schneider)

February 2nd, 2021

1:17:32

In this episode, we talk with Raquel Kelley and Kristen Schneider, of the MOMGUL podcast, about putting ourselves first in order to live our best …

S1 Mini 14: How to Check in with Your Partner

January 26th, 2021

26:48

In this minisode, we discuss the importance of strengthening your relationship with your partner by checking in on a monthly, weekly, and daily basis... and how to do it.

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S1 E08: Justin Saunders

January 19th, 2021

1:39:07

In this episode, we're joined by Justin Sanders and talk about how he and Sarah approach parenting and life as a partnership.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and …

S1 Mini 13: New Year. Same You.

January 12th, 2021

55:36

In this minisode, we talk about New Year's resolutions, intentions and goal setting, and how to think about what this time of year really means in …

S1 E07: Jenn Prochaska

January 5th, 2021

1:06:03

In this episode, Jenn Prochaska talks about her struggles with addiction, finding clarity and community, surrendering to a higher power, and embracing "I don't know."

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S1 Mini 12: Coping With the Holiday Blues

December 22nd, 2020

50:15

It's Christmas week, and we don't know about you... but we're freaking exhausted. 😩 We're betting you're pretty wiped out too. It's hard to spread …

S1 Mini 11: Build Your Arsenal by Learning to Set Boundaries

December 17th, 2020

28:33

In this minisode, we talk about how you can grow your brain and build an arsenal of skills by learning how to set boundaries.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to books and resources.

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S1 Mini 10: Understanding Emotional Intelligence

December 15th, 2020

27:50

In this minisode, we break down the 5 key elements of emotional intelligence and provide actionable tips you can apply in your daily life to help develop yours.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and …

S1 E06: Jamal Collins

December 8th, 2020

1:06:44

In this episode, we talk with designer and educator Jamal Collins about his life and work, how he found his purpose, and how he teaches his students …

S1 Mini 9: Using Creativity to Heal

December 3rd, 2020

22:25

In this minisode, we talk about how creativity can interrupt the stress cycle, give us an outlet for self-expression, help us process thoughts and feelings, and encourage healing.

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S1 Mini 8: Shifting Our Language

December 1st, 2020

20:41

In this minisode, we discuss the importance of talking to ourselves more than listening to ourselves and shifting our language to approach things with gratitude and a growth mindset.

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S1 E05: Jennifer Stringer

November 24th, 2020

1:26:02

In this episode, we talk with Jennifer Stringer about when her life suddenly changed, and how she's thriving in the face of adversity by setting boundaries and refusing to give up.

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S1 Mini 7: Understanding Love Languages

November 17th, 2020

15:26

In this minisode, we discuss the importance of understanding love languages and how to identify your own love language.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to resources.

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S1 E04: Jamie Speer

November 10th, 2020

1:10:39

In this episode, we talk with Jamie Speer, Owner of 1826 Photographic, about setting boundaries and finding laughter and perfection in life's imperfect moments.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, …

S1 Mini 6: Unpacking Anxiety, Part 2

November 5th, 2020

40:51

In another (not so mini) minisode (part 2 of 2), we talk about ways to help ourselves when we're feeling anxious, and how to help others with anxiety.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to …

S1 Mini 5: Unpacking Anxiety, Part 1

November 3rd, 2020

44:35

In this (not so mini) minisode, which is part 1 of 2, we "unpack" or deconstruct anxiety, getting to its root causes. Make sure to tune in on Thursday 11/5 when we drop part 2, which will be a Q&A session about …

S1 E03: Ali Klotz

October 27th, 2020

1:06:03

In this episode, we talk with Ali Klotz, a mother of two, Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, and Co-Owner of POP Nation, who tells us about how she said no when her world became overwhelming.

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S1 Mini 4: Park it, sleep on it, put a pin in it.

October 22nd, 2020

15:29

In this minisode, we walk through a technique to help with emotional regulation, problem-solving, and decision-making - basically revisiting the …

S1 Mini 3: Pivot to Find Your Purpose

October 20th, 2020

23:13

In this minisode we discuss how embracing the pivots in your life will lead you to your purpose.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes links to the books and resources we mention.

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S1 E02: Gail Palmer

October 13th, 2020

56:44

In this episode, we talk with Gail Palmer, CEO of Palmer Event solutions and she tells us about the nos that have helped define her company's mission.

S1 Mini 2: Choose Your Hard

October 8th, 2020

9:12

In this minisode, Sarah explains the concept of choosing your hard – so that you can rewire you’re thinking and overcome obstacles.

Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes links to …

S1 Mini 1: What's Your Why?

October 6th, 2020

9:22

In our first minisode, Sarah talks about the importance of identifying your why, so that you have the foundation you need to start saying no, set boundaries and create the life you want.

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S1 E01 Pilot: Introducing That's a Hard No

September 29th, 2020

1:15:03

Welcome to That's a Hard No – the podcast about saying no and setting boundaries so you can become the authentic and empowered you that this world needs.

In our first episode, we introduce ourselves. Meet Heather Drago, …

S1 E00: Trailer (Coming Soon!)

September 25th, 2020

3:33

Announcing our new podcast - "That's a Hard No" - a podcast about saying no and setting boundaries to become the authentic, empowered you that this world needs. Join Heather Drago, of Clever Girl Marketing, and Sarah …

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