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Tech Lead Journal

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Great technical leadership requires more than just great coding skills. It requires a variety of other skills that are not well-defined, and they are not something that we can fully learn in any school or book. Hear from experienced technical leaders sharing their journey and philosophy for building… read more


#104 - Growing Through Experimentation - Lisi Hocke

“The most important part about building an experiment-driven culture is to make it safe to fail and to fail in good ways."

Lisi Hocke is an active figure in the global testing community. In this episode, Lisi shared her lessons learned growing an experiment-driven quality culture in her recent years. Lisi shared why it is important to have an experimentation mindset before we adopt something new or any good practices and to have a safe environment to execute those experiments. Lisi shared her advice on how to run an experiment, from building transparency, creating hypothesis, getting buy-in, and understanding our biases, in particular the sunk cost fallacy. In the latter half, Lisi shared her personal transformation journey learning in public and shared her tips on growing technical confidence.

Listen out for:

  • Career Journey - [00:05:59]
  • Sharing About Building Quality Culture - [00:13:39]
  • Experiment-Driven Culture - [00:21:14]
  • Building Transparency - [00:25:41]
  • Hypothesis - [00:28:08]
  • Building Better Hypothesis - [00:29:58]
  • Getting Buy-In - [00:33:38]
  • Sunk Cost Fallacy - [00:37:44]
  • Learning in Public - [00:41:42]
  • Growing Technical Confidence - [00:47:37]
  • 3 Tech Lead Wisdom - [00:53:12]


Lisi Hocke’s Bio
Lisi found tech as her place to be in 2009 and grew as a specialized generalist ever since. She’s passionate about the whole-team approach to holistic testing and quality and enjoys experimenting and learning continuously. Building great products which deliver value together with great people motivates her and lets her thrive. Having received a lot from communities, she’s paying it forward by sharing her stories and learning in public. In her free time, she plays indoor volleyball or delves into computer games and stories of all kinds.

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