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In this podcast, we discuss mystical works of literature, primarily Taoist text, and how they relate to alcohol recovery. Taoist Philosophy can be an excellent tool for embracing the idea of a “Higher Power.” Nature offers all of the examples necessary for a concept of a source of all life, much dif… read more

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February 22nd, 2024

0:39

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Tao Te Ching Verse 41 – Are We Believing the Illusion?

March 16th, 2024

48:09

The path into the light seems dark
the path forward seems to go back
the direct path seems long
true power seems weak

— Stephen Mitchell, Tao Te Ching, Verse 41

AA Paradoxes:

Tao Te Ching Verse 40 – Yielding our way into returning!

March 9th, 2024

35:18

Return is the movement of the Tao.

Yielding is the way of the Tao.

 

All things are born of being.

Being is born of non-being.

— Stephen …

Tao Te Ching Verse 39 – Can I allow myself to be shaped?

March 2nd, 2024

32:12

The master views the parts with compassion, because he understands the whole. His constant practice is humility. He doesn’t glitter like a jewel but …

Tao Alcohol Recovery Podcast – Laurie M’s Story?

February 28th, 2024

1:05:07

Today we are sharing Laurie M’s story. She is a regular on the Tao podcast. I hope you enjoy!

30 Tools to Stay Sober Before, During, and After the …

Tao Te Ching Verse 38 – The Flower or the Fruit?

February 24th, 2024

49:47

The Master concerns himself with the depths and not the surface, with the fruit and not the flower. He has no will of his own. He dwells in reality, and lets all illusions go.
— Stephen Mitchell, Tao Te Ching, Verse 38

Tao Te Ching Verse 36 – How Do We Allow?

February 13th, 2024

47:16

If you want to shrink something, you must first allow it to expand.

If you want to get rid of something, you must first allow it to flourish.

If you want to take something, you must first allow it to be given.

This …

Tao Te Ching Verse 35 – How do we use the Tao?

February 4th, 2024

42:13

Words that point to the Tao
seem monotonous and without flavor.

When you look for it, there is nothing to see.

When you listen for it, there is nothing to hear.

When you use it, it is inexhaustible.

— Stephen …

Tao Te Ching Verse 34 – Living Life Powerlessly!

January 27th, 2024

42:07

Tao is eternal. It does not favor one over the other. It brings all things to completion without their even knowing it.

— Jonathan Star, Tao Te …

Tao Te Ching Verse 33 – What is True Wisdom?

January 20th, 2024

49:34

What is intuitively knowing? Why do we study books if the wisdom we seek is not found in a book? What does it mean to be in the center of the circle?

Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. …

Tao Te Ching Verse 32 – All Things End in Tao!

January 13th, 2024

43:02

A great conversation today about surrender, letting go, and acceptance.

The Tao can’t be perceived ... Knowing when to stop, you can avoid any danger. All things end in the Tao as rivers flow into the sea.
— Stephen …

Tao Te Ching Verse 31 – Handling Conflict with Compassion

January 6th, 2024

38:16

He enters a battle gravely, with sorrow and with great compassion, as if he were attending a funeral.

— Stephen Mitchell, Tao Te Ching, Verse 31


Tao Te Ching Verse 30 – How Do I Accept Myself?

December 30th, 2023

38:38

Self-acceptance is essential for good mental health. How do I accept me? How can I be okay with myself when I see so much damage I have caused prior …

Tao Te Ching Verse 29 – Perfection or Perfection?

December 26th, 2023

45:03

In this podcast, we discussed the meaning of perfection. We also discussed our part in life and the meaning of effortless effort, the English …

Tao Te Ching Verse 28 – Returning to Our Natural Self!

December 17th, 2023

48:25

The 28th verse of the Tao Te Ching offers us an example of the progression back to our natural state through three steps:

1. Receive all without …

Tao Te Ching Verse 27 – Giving and Receiving Are One!

December 13th, 2023

35:21

Only a student who gives himself can receive the master’s gift. If you think otherwise, despite your knowledge, you have blundered. Giving and receiving are one.
— Jonathan Star, Tao Te Ching, The Definitive Edition, …

Tao Te Ching Verse 26 – Be Still and Know!

December 9th, 2023

28:30

If you let yourself be blown to and fro, you lose touch with your root. If you let restlessness move you, you lose touch with who you are.
— Stephen …

Tao Te Ching Verse 25 – The Difference Between WEllness and Illness is WE instead of I

December 5th, 2023

47:18

Before the Tao discussion, we discussed the tools we use to stay sober all year round, and especially during the holidays.

In life, I am always …

Tao Te Ching Verse 24 – The Trap of Self-Promotion

December 1st, 2023

36:19

He who clings to his work will create nothing that endures. If you want to accord with the Tao, just do your job, then let go.

— Stephen Mitchell, …

Tao Te Ching Verse 23 – Opening up, Accepting Loss

November 25th, 2023

28:19

If you open yourself to loss,

you are at one with loss

and you can accept it completely.

 

Open yourself to the Tao,

then trust your natural responses;

and everything will fall into place

— Stephen Mitchell, …

Tao Te Ching Verse 22 – Being Lived by the Tao

November 21st, 2023

42:11

When the ancient Masters said, “If you want to be given everything, give everything up,” they weren’t using empty phrases. Only in being lived by …

Tao Te Ching Verse 21 – The Trap of Desire!

November 17th, 2023

40:26

Verse 21 gives us three tools to use in daily life;

1. Stop clinging to ideas.
2. Letting it happen rather than manipulation and control.
3. …

Tao Te Ching Verse 20 – Stop Thinking and End Your Problems!

November 13th, 2023

54:00

Much of my problems in life are self-inflicted. I try to control many things that I am incapable of controlling. This "living letting go" is a very …

Tao Te Ching Verse 19 – Living Without Rules!

November 9th, 2023

49:56

Living in the way can bring about a move from a fear-based existence toward a Love-based reality that makes rules a place to hide rather than …

Tao Te Ching Verse 18 – Living Above the Pendulum!

November 5th, 2023

45:52

Is it possible to live a life of Compassion, which lifts us above criticism and faultfinding?

When the greatness of the Tao is present, action …

Tao Te Ching Verse 17 – The Spiral Downward!

November 1st, 2023

51:05

To know Tao alone, without a trace of your own existence, is the highest. Next comes loving and praising it, then fearing it, then despising it.
— Jonathan Star, Tao Te Ching, The Definitive Edition, Verse 17

In all …

Tao Te Ching Verse 16 – Realizing the Source!

October 28th, 2023

47:48

What do I believe is the source?
What actions have resulted in my life that brought about a feeling of peace?
What part do I play?
What are my …

Wen Tzu Verse 40 – How to Maintain Our Virtue!

October 24th, 2023

52:45

Everything in the world is cyclical and constantly changing. This verse expresses this principle and shares one thing that can be constant – our virtue! I hope you enjoy our discussion.

We are looking forward to seeing …

Tao Te Ching Verse 15 – Can I Welcome All Things?

October 20th, 2023

1:00:56

The Master doesn't seek fulfillment. Not seeking, not expecting, she is present and can welcome all things.
— Stephen Mitchell, Tao Te Ching, Verse 15

Tao Te Ching Verse 14 – Giving Up the Need to Know!

October 16th, 2023

45:47

An excellent discussion of verse 14 of the Tao Te Ching and how it relates to our recovery. Are there really any problems to solve? How can we move …

Christian Non-Duality and the Tao Te Ching – Marshall Davis’s Story

October 12th, 2023

1:00:56

Marshall is a retired Southern Baptist pastor. Marshall has written over 20 books, including The Tao of Christ, a Christian version of the Tao Te Ching, and most recently, The Sermon on the Mount, a non-dual …

Tao Te Ching Verse 13 – Is Hope Really as Hollow as Fear?

October 3rd, 2023

54:04

Great discussion of verse 13 of the Tao Te Ching and how it relates to our recovery!

We are looking forward to seeing you at an upcoming meeting!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in …

Tao Te Ching Verse 12 – Turning the Light Around!

September 28th, 2023

49:42

The only peace you find at the top of the mountatin is the peace you bring with you.
— Alan Watts

 We are looking forward to seeing you at an upcoming meeting!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching …

Tao Recovery Podcast - Mediation is training for life!

September 25th, 2023

50:38

Today we have Annabelle Nesbitt – A grateful recovery Al-Anon. Annabelle has a powerful story that I am sure you will enjoy!

Here is a link to an …

Tao Te Ching Verse 11 – My Emptiness Determines My Usefullness!

September 21st, 2023

43:11

In this podcast, we discuss how Taoist principles relate to our personal addiction recovery journey.

Thirty spokes of a wheel all join at a common …

Tao Te Ching Verse 10 – A Description of Te!

September 16th, 2023

54:00

Te (virtue), as in the Tao Te Ching, is described in detail in this verse. We hope you enjoy our discussion. We are looking forward to seeing you at an upcoming meeting!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao …

Siblinghood of Recovery - Angie’s Story

September 11th, 2023

47:55

Angie started her recovery journey in support of a child with addiction issues. Even though Angie was not an addict, she had no idea how much she …

Tao Te Ching Verse 9 – Care About People’s Approval and You Will Be Their Prisoner.

September 7th, 2023

49:13

Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill. Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt. Chase after money and security and your heart will never unclench.

Care about people’s approval and you will be their …

Tao Te Ching Verse 8 – How Water Is Our Example for Living Life!

September 3rd, 2023

46:12

As our motivation changes from fear to compassion, our actions start changing from the inside out. In verse 8 of the Tao Te Ching, we find the …

Tao Te Ching Verse 7 - Being the Witness, Not the Defendant!

August 30th, 2023

47:56

Verse 7 shows us that we are more of a witness in our life than a defendant. Can I be a witness regardless of the situation, or do I act like the …

Tao Te Ching Verse 6; Tools for Acceptance!

August 26th, 2023

43:16

The spirit of emptiness is immortal. It is called the Great Mother because it gives birth to Heaven and Earth.

It is like a vapor, barely seen but always present. Use it effortlessly.
— J. H. McDonald, Tao Te Ching, …

Tao Te Ching Verse 5 - Emptiness Beyond Emptiness!

August 17th, 2023

50:28

Can we hold ALL things with an open hand? Can we wear the world as a loose garment? I hope you enjoy our discussion of the 5th verse of the Tao Te …

Derek's Recovery Story – What I need appears when I need it

August 13th, 2023

1:05:51

The program meets our needs as the needs arise. This is the message of the Tao – if we are open to what is we may be able to become what might be.

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in …

Tao Te Ching Verse 4 – How We Step Out of the Way!

August 9th, 2023

54:04

In this podcast, we discuss how Taoist principles relate to our personal addiction recovery journey.

When we came into recovery, how did we grapple with the idea of God? How did our views change? Are they still …

Tao Te Ching Verse 3 – Whan action is pure and selfless, everything settles into its own perfect place!

August 3rd, 2023

52:14

In this podcast, we discuss how Taoist principles relate to our personal addiction recovery journey.

The Master leads by emptying people’s minds and filling their cores, by weakening their ambition and toughening …

Lou's Recovery Story – How Al-Anon Changed my Life!

July 28th, 2023

1:04:24

Lou has been attending our Tao recovery meeting for years. Lou is the first Al-anon member that we have had the pleasure of interviewing. One takeaway for me was an Al-Anon saying, referencing the person we are there …

Tao Te Ching Verse 2 – Holding All with an Open Hand!

July 23rd, 2023

35:45

The only constant in change. It's not a matter of if change will happen but rather that change is always happening. Everything is always in motion, and nothing stays the same. This discussion touches on the importance …

Tao Te Ching Verse 1; Allow Rather than Force!

July 8th, 2023

34:52

We are looking forward to seeing you at an upcoming meeting!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in every meeting; https://ttc.tasuki.org/display:Year:1972,1988,1996,2004/section:1

Keary D's Recovery Story – Am I Really an Alcoholic?

June 3rd, 2023

1:01:49

I hope you enjoy Keary's story! 

As a result of our poll of meeting options, the overwhelming favorite was Saturdays at 9 am Eastern. This meeting …

Don M’s Recovery Story – Creativity!

May 27th, 2023

59:46

“Creativity is a bottomless well. It doesn’t run dry, It just needs to be fallow for a time. Pushing it was not the answer. The answer was letting go of it, just releasing it, and letting it happen.” Don M.

 

Amy's Recovery Story – Amy shares her story of total transformation in recovery.

May 20th, 2023

36:09

I hope you enjoy Amy's story! 

We are taking a break from the weekly group meeting and interviewing some past participants, Facebook group members, and a few authors. If your recovery has been enhanced by Taoist text, …

Scotty's Recovery Story – How studying the Tao helped Scotty with terminal uniqueness

May 12th, 2023

55:46

I hope you enjoy Scotty's story! 

We are taking a break from the weekly group meeting and interviewing some past participants, Facebook group members, and a few authors. If your recovery has been enhanced by Taoist …

Mark's Recovery Story – How Study of the Tao Te Ching has helped his misunderstanding of the Higher Power

May 6th, 2023

36:26

I hope you enjoy Mark's story! 

We are taking a break from the weekly group meeting and interviewing some past participants, Facebook group members, and a few authors. If your recovery has been enhanced by Taoist text, …

Izzy's Recovery Story – My Addiction was Masking the Real Problem!

April 28th, 2023

53:35

Izzy approaches the Higher Power from a slightly different perspective from a strong Orthodox Jewish heritage. I hope you enjoy Izzy's story! 

We are taking a break from the weekly group meeting and interviewing some …

Kate's Recovery Story – Am I Too Smart for Recovery?

April 21st, 2023

56:06

Kate's story is of a brilliant biology major learning how to let go in recovery, and the role studying the Tao has played in the process. I hope you …

Paul's Recovery Story – Gratitude!

April 14th, 2023

44:58

Paul’s story is unique to most in our group. Paul has gotten sober without practicing A.A., without a sponsor, or attending face to face meetings. As …

Craig's Recovery Story – A.A. Works in Scotland too!

April 9th, 2023

57:40

Despite Craig's best efforts, he has been able to get sober and stay sober for several years using the tools of recovery. Craig discusses in detail …

Rob’s Recovery Story – How helping others changed my life!

March 31st, 2023

58:57

Rob tells his story and how studying the Tao Te Ching helped him realize that Love must come first if he wants any degree of peace and joy.

We are taking a break from the weekly group meeting and interviewing some past …

Interview with Todd W. – The God of our misunderstanding

March 23rd, 2023

56:51

Todd discusses his Christian heritage as the foundation of his evolving belief in the Higher Power.

We are experimenting with a new format for this …

Interview with Dennis B. and Buddy C. – How has studying the Tao helped your recovery?

March 20th, 2023

1:23:54

We are experimenting with a new format for this podcast. We are taking a break from the weekly group meeting and interviewing some participants. Unlike future interviews, the host, Buddy C. was also interviewed and …

Beginner Meditation with Sensei Elliston!

February 3rd, 2023

45:46

We were initially going to discuss verse 28 of the Tao Te Ching. Sensei Elliston started answering meditation related questions, so we decided to wait until next month for the verse 28 discussion.

Atlanta Soto Zen …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 27 – Giving and Receiving are One!

January 10th, 2023

36:11

“He who gives himself to this path is like a block of wood that gives itself to the chisel — Cut by cut it is honed to perfection. Only a student who gives himself can receive the masters’s gift.” TTC Verse 27, Jonathan …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 26 with Sensei Elliston – Living Undisturbed!

December 2nd, 2022

47:35

A good discussion of verse 26 of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective with Sensei Elliston.

“The inner is the foundation of the outer. The still is master of the restless.

The Sage travels all day yet never leaves …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 25 with Sensei Elliston – A Description of the Tao!

November 4th, 2022

47:45

A good discussion of verse 25 of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective with Sensei Elliston. “It is serene. Empty. Solitary. Unchanging. Infinite. …

Mixing It up a Little!

October 29th, 2022

2:03

You can access all meetings at www.TaoAAMeeting.com. This is a new link for all meetings. Other than the first Thursday of the month, we are forgoing recording for the moment. We also have a new unrecorded Tao AA …

Tao Te Ching Verse 36 and Wen-Tzu Verse 9 – An Ancient Version of the Saint Francis Prayer

October 14th, 2022

35:29

If you want to possess something, you must first give it away.
— Tao Te Ching, J. H. McDonald, Verse 36

Don't forget to use the resources mentioned …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 24 with Sensei Elliston – A Description of Attraction Not Promotion!

October 7th, 2022

49:26

A good discussion of verse 24 of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective with Sensei Elliston. “He who tries to shine dims his own light.” TTC Verse 24, Stephen Mitchell

Don’t forget to use the resources mentioned below …

Byron Katie – The Work Part 4 of 4

September 30th, 2022

54:10

Today we finished our discussion of The Work by Byron Katie. We discussed her questions and answers on page 35 of the handout (link below to download) and her Katieisms. These quotes from her teachings demonstrate how …

Byron Katie – The Work Part 3 of 4

September 27th, 2022

51:53

Today we continued our discussion of the work of Byron Katie. We used examples to better understand how to turn our frustration around and see our …

Byron Katie – The Work Part 2

September 19th, 2022

59:40

Today we continued our discussion of the work of Byron Katie. A good discussion of how compromise in one area of life affects all of life.

Link to Download Byron Katie’s Workbook;

Byron Katie – The Work Part 1

September 8th, 2022

54:40

Today we started discussing the work of Byron Katie. Lots of acceptance and laying the groundwork for next week when we get into more of the meat of her message. We also discussed how our thoughts are not us and that we …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 23 with Sensei Elliston!

September 2nd, 2022

45:53

A good discussion of verse 23 of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective with Sensei Elliston. “Open yourself to the Tao, then trust your natural responses; and everything will fall into place.” TTC Verse 23, Stephen …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 8 – How Do We Respond Like an Echo?

August 19th, 2022

51:49

…to perceive things without being blinded and to respond echolike without minding

— Thomas Cleary, Wen-Tzu, Verse 8

Don't forget to use the resources …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 7 – How Desires Affect Your Essential Nature

August 14th, 2022

56:08

When people lose their essential nature by following desires, their actions are never correct. To govern a nation in that way results in chaos; to …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 22 with Sensei Elliston

August 8th, 2022

54:23

A good discussion of verse 22 of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective with Sensei Elliston. “If you want to be given everything, give everything up”. TTC Verse 22

Don’t forget to use the resources mentioned below for …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 6 – Taoist Guidance

July 28th, 2022

58:58

Sages do not replace the celestial with the human. Outwardly they evolve along with things, yet inwardly they do not lose their true state. So those …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 5 – Real Knowing

July 22nd, 2022

44:04

Do we make progress spiritually by reading more books and learning more? Is our intellectual knowledge helpful? What does verse 5 mean when it says, …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 4 – Real People Are Those Following the Way (Tao)

July 15th, 2022

43:05

Today we discussed the fourth verse of the Wen-Tzu. We also discussed verses 13 and 80 of the Tao Te Ching, among others. A lot of discussion about looking within and learning to observe through stillness. As with all …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 21 with Sensei Elliston – Enlightenment

July 8th, 2022

56:39

A good discussion of verse 21 of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective with Sensei Elliston. We discussed, among other things, enlightenment, being …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 3 – How to Follow the Way!

June 30th, 2022

50:57

Today we discussed the third verse of the Wen-Tzu. We also discussed verses 21 and 39 of the Tao Te Ching. A lot of discussion of "How to" today …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 2 – Unlearning

June 25th, 2022

43:49

Today we discussed the second verse of the Wen-Tzu, which compliments several verses of the Tao Te Ching. We discussed verses 48, 81, and several more. A good discussion today! The Sage's work is to "lay to rest their …

Wen-Tzu – Verse 1 – A Description of a Higher Power

June 17th, 2022

51:16

Today we discussed the first verse of the Wen-Tzu, which works very well with the first verse of the Tao Te Ching. A good discussion of how we see God, acceptance, providence, and how Love works in our life.

Don’t …

Wen-Tzu – Introduction – Looking Within

June 10th, 2022

46:38

Today we started Thomas Cleary’s 1991 translation of Wen-Tzu. According to the introduction, this is the first translation of this text into English. We covered all the pre-chapter material and will start on the first …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 20 with Sensei Elliston – Must I Fear What Others Fear?

June 6th, 2022

49:26

How much of a role does unnecessary fear play in your life? A good conversation today with Sensei.

Don’t forget to use the resources mentioned below …

Chuang Tzu – Flight From the Shadow and Chuang Tzu’s Funeral

May 30th, 2022

51:58

Today we finished Thomas Merton’s book discussing the writings of Chuang Tzu. Our discussion brought out a great conversation that was totally unexpected; issues with pride and ego parallel venturing out of the shade …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 73 – All Is As It Should Be?

May 19th, 2022

44:59

Verse 73 of the Tao Te Ching reminds me that nothing escapes the net of Love! A fun recovery discussion of the thread of Love that is sewn into …

Chuang Tzu – Means and Ends – Is Suffering Our Greatest Teacher?

May 12th, 2022

47:14

There was a great discussion today about grasping the ideas presented by the words rather than focusing on the words themselves. Do we focus on the finger rather than the moon that the finger is pointing at? Is it the …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 19 with Sensei Elliston – Remain In The Center and Let All Things Take Their Course

May 9th, 2022

47:48

We have many substitutes for letting go, each with a greater degree of self-effort.

Don’t forget to use the resources mentioned below for tools to …

Chuang Tzu – The Useless – How Can I Find Gratitude in This?

April 29th, 2022

50:43

A good discussion about the need to allow gratitude to bring us out of difficult situations: we also discussed the role fear plays in our life and if …

Verse 74 of the Tao Te Ching – Living Without the Fear of Loss!

April 22nd, 2022

52:41

Verse 74 reminds us that expectations of the future will harm us. When we live in fear of the future, we cause harm to our lives and those around us.

Chuang Tzu – Tao – You Have to Taste the Strawberry!

April 15th, 2022

43:46

Describing a strawberry does not compare to tasting a strawberry. The Tao cannot be mentally understood; the Tao can only be experienced! Thanks everyone for an excellent discussion!

Don’t forget to use the resources …

Verse 18 of the Tao Te Ching – Shadows and Substitutes of Living Life Our Way!

April 12th, 2022

31:08

Verse 18 describes the spiral downward when we take back control in any area of life.

Don’t forget to use the resources mentioned below for tools to …

Verse 75 of the Tao Te Ching – Playing God Does Not Work!

April 4th, 2022

41:22

This story reminds us of how playing God does not work; We either demand too much or provide too much. Whenever we look to our understanding for the …

Chuang Tzu – Flight from Benevolence – True Guidance!

March 27th, 2022

54:42

What a great meeting! We have several possible names for this episode; Flight from the Moment, God is NOW, The Behaviors that take us out of the Moment, Aspects of Unacceptance, Acceptance is the Answer, etc. Regardless …

Verse 76 of the Tao Te Ching – How to Stay Flexible in Life!

March 20th, 2022

46:00

Excellent discussion! This verse gives us instructions on how to discern life and death in everyday situations. The challenge is not only to remain …

Chuang Tzu – Good Fortune – Fear or Acceptance!

March 11th, 2022

46:52

Today I find it's the best thing that has ever happened to me. This proves I don't know what's good for me. And if I don't know what's good for me, then I don't know what's good or bad for you or for anyone. So I'm …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 17 with Sensei Elliston – The Master does not talk; he acts!

March 4th, 2022

47:42

How does the master act? He takes the next righting action – not right action (vs. the wrong action). The next action that balances like righting a ship. Thank you, Sensei, for that nugget! We also discussed instead of …

Chuang Tzu – Active Life and Monkey Mountain – The Trap of Self-Effort!

February 25th, 2022

54:43

How do we use our talents without stressing over our job performance? How far can our talents take us? Do we have access to anything more than our talents? What is our part? How do we live life from a place of love and …

Verse 77 of the Tao Te Ching – Using Strength Not Our Own

February 18th, 2022

56:20

How do we use our experience, rather than excessive effort, to draw in our extremes and prepare us to serve? Is this process similar to drawing a bow? We also discussed the names we give our Higher Power and how so much …

Chuang Tzu – Advising The Prince – I Cannot Trust My Motives!

February 10th, 2022

41:01

The peace I am looking for is always found within – never in my successes or selfish deeds that I disguise as altruistic. We also discussed the difference in Alanon between the desire to fix others and genuine loving …

Verse 16 of the Tao Te Ching – How do we work the steps when we do not believe in a traditional Higher Power?

February 3rd, 2022

1:04:52

One of our best discussions ever concerning several topics relating to working the program without a traditional God belief! Who do we surrender to? What is acceptance? Does acceptance mean I approve of the situation? …

Chuang Tzu - Apologies – The Downward Spiral from Spiritual Fitness!

January 27th, 2022

52:41

Our spiral from spiritual fitness to thinking a drink would be a good idea can be very subtle. This story demonstrates the spiral. For me, if there …

Tao Te Ching - Verse 78 – How to be Like Water!

January 21st, 2022

51:16

Verse 78 of the Tao Te Ching is all about the characteristics of water. We discuss how water is our example of acceptance in all life interactions.

Chuang Tzu - The Inner Law – Being Governed from Within!

January 15th, 2022

58:58

Being governed from within is one way to describe the purpose of all spiritual practices. How do we recognize our inner, intuitive knowing? What are the warning signs that we are looking outward again? How has recovery …

Tao Te Ching – Verse 15 with Sensei Elliston – We already possess the solution to every perceived problem within our stillness.

January 7th, 2022

55:08

Good discussion on stillness and meditation too! Don’t forget to use the resources mentioned below for tools to stay sober any time during the year. …

New Years Resolutions and the Tao!

January 3rd, 2022

58:29

Excellent conversation! What does Taoist Literature say about new years resolutions? Is it ok to make plans? Can I set goals and still follow the Tao?

Chuang Tzu - The Tower of the Spirit – How to Protect Your Inner-Self!

December 26th, 2021

53:53

We believe this story is all about how we protect ourselves from losing our peace and joy. Don’t forget to use the resources mentioned below for …

Tao Te Ching - Verse 79 - Risking Injury for Kindness!

December 17th, 2021

41:11

An excellent discussion of how to mend family relationships. Someone has to be vulnerable and reach out in kindness to mend relationships. Each …

Chuang Tzu - Kengs Disciple Part 2 – Forgetting What I Know!

December 10th, 2021

55:54

Is sobriety like everything else? Get educated, work hard, and if you don’t get it at first, double down and work even harder? Or is sobriety the opposite? Instead, are we to place our effort in helping others as a way …

Verse 14 Tao Te Ching – Intuitive Knowing!

December 3rd, 2021

48:33

Recovery, similar to the path of virtue, can only be described. Words cannot explain the power of love; love must be experienced.

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Enjoying the Holidays Sober!

November 19th, 2021

45:14

In this episode, we discussed the tools we use to enjoy the holidays sober. For many, this is the first holiday season sober. Can we go to functions? …

Chuang Tzu - Kengs Disciple – Self Effort – Part 1!

November 12th, 2021

50:23

Why is it that some of us can get sober and others cannot? Where is our effort needed? Where is our effort not required? Is it just about working harder and doing better?

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Verse 13 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston! Is hope as dangerous as fear?

November 5th, 2021

50:24

Sensei Michael Elliston shares his thoughts on the 13th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective. Good conversation about the trap of hope and how some types of hope can keep us from accepting the moment and …

Verse 80 The Tao Te Ching – Contentment!

October 28th, 2021

58:22

Where do we find lasting contentment? We discussed how our search for contentment must turn inward and that one of the first steps of looking inward is learning to live in the moment.

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Verse 81 The Tao Te Ching – Emptiness!

October 22nd, 2021

48:09

Why does giving make way for us to receive? Can we live empty of judgment and ego so we can be the mirror for our friends to see solutions to their …

Chuang Tzu – Keng Sang Chu – The Sage Dwells in the Fruit Not the Husk!

October 14th, 2021

52:29

We learn in recovery that we change from the inside out. When we try to satisfy life from the outside inward, this story is the result. We saw the …

Verse 12 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston!

October 13th, 2021

50:06

Sensei Michael Elliston shares his thoughts on the 12th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective. Our outward senses can dull the sensitivity …

Chuang Tzu – Starlight and Non-Being!

September 30th, 2021

54:04

Could Non-Being be described as love? Excellent conversation concerning surrender and Step 2. Could relief come from our surrender and stopping the …

Chuang Tzu – Where is Tao?

September 23rd, 2021

56:01

Where is the Tao? What is the Tao? What actions can we take to become more aware of the Tao at work in all things? All situations? All people? At work in everything!

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Chuang Tzu – The Importance of Being Toothless! Freedom from Needing to Know!

September 19th, 2021

44:31

This story reminds us of the gift of not having to know. This is a gift most of us never realize that we already possess. Excellent conversation!

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Chuang Tzu – When Knowledge Went North! Emptiness Part 2

September 10th, 2021

55:16

This is a story about Knowledge seeking the Tao. The answer was not in Knowledge but in Nothingness(emptiness)—a good discussion of applying the principle of nothingness to our lives. We also discussed how the Big Book …

Verse 11 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston! Emptiness Part 1

September 9th, 2021

52:54

Sensei Michael Elliston shares his thoughts on the 10th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective. From the text, this became a conversation about emptiness.  Sensei gives us a thorough explanation of how the …

Chuang Tzu – The Flight of Lin Hui – The Extraordinary is Found in the Ordinary!

August 26th, 2021

37:09

This story reminds us of the paradox of truth; what gives us peace and joy is not in what we thought would give us peace and joy. What we are looking …

Chuang Tzu – The Empty Boat – Living in Emptiness!

August 20th, 2021

56:03

The empty boat is a story that has been mused by many. Today we discuss how this story relates to recovery and how to apply these principles in our everyday lives.

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Chuang Tzu – When The Shoe Fits – Another Example of Wu Wei!

August 15th, 2021

30:53

This story brought out another discussion of wu wei – effortless effort. How free we become when we stop trying to control what we think keeps us …

Chuang Tzu – The Woodcarver – Surrendering Your Way to the Place of Rest!

July 30th, 2021

54:21

Incredible discussion of how to surrender your way to that place of rest, that place of calmness and serenity as seen in the serenity prayer; God grant me the serenity to accept the things I can change, the courage to …

Chuang Tzu – The Fighting Cock – Learning How To Be Free of Fear!

July 22nd, 2021

50:48

Why do we fight? Are we fighting because we are afraid? “The chief activator of our defects has been self-centered fear – primarily fear that we …

Chuang Tzu – The Sacrificial Swine – The Achievement Trap!

July 16th, 2021

25:48

Many of us fall for the idea that outer success will bring us the inner success we crave. This story reinforces the fact that true achievement comes from learning to live life in the moment, with no need for the …

Chuang Tzu – The Need to Win – the Need to Win Causes Us to lose – Not Win!

June 24th, 2021

48:02

How do we stay in the moment, enjoy the journey, and surrender expectations? If this is one of your struggles, you will enjoy this conversation!

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Chuang Tzu – Wholeness – Resting in the Hidden Place!

June 18th, 2021

57:54

Another story showing us the path of unlearning – resting in the eternal, hidden place of no-place. This story also brought out the dynamic of …

Verse 10 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston!

June 5th, 2021

1:05:26

Sensei Michael Elliston and special guest Seigstsu Roger Cochran, aka Dr. Cochran, share their thoughts on the 10th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a …

Chuang Tzu – Symphony of a Sea Bird – Acceptance!

May 27th, 2021

41:58

“The road to hell is paved with good intentions” is a phrase we have heard often. When we refuse to accept what is, we try to fix and change people, places, and things into what we feel is best. Sometimes we take …

Chuang Tzu – Perfect Joy – Is It Possible to Have a Fulfilled Life?

May 21st, 2021

54:56

This story addresses the age-old question, “What is it that will make me fulfilled?” An excellent discussion of how we seek outwardly for what will …

Verse 9 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston!

May 7th, 2021

48:43

Sensei Michael Elliston shares his thoughts on the 9th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective. The desire for more and how to determine when a creative task is complete, like a painting or writing a book, were …

Chuang Tzu – The Joy of Fishes – Does Fear Produce Happiness?

May 1st, 2021

47:24

Are our fears keeping us from being happy? An excellent discussion of how our fears and resistance bend our path of love. This bending keeps happiness out of reach. We also started our weekly discussion of synchronistic …

Chuang Tzu – Owl and Phoenix – The Illusion of Fear!

April 23rd, 2021

55:50

At first, I thought this story was more about the deception that desire brings into our lives. After our discussion, I believe this story is more about fear and how fears cause us to take actions that are as much an …

Chuang Tzu – The Turtle – Paradox of True Happiness!

April 16th, 2021

43:27

What makes us happy? What is your definition of happiness? Does outward success bring happiness? Or, do I have to look within, regardless of my outward circumstances?

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Alan Watts – The Unblocked Mind Part 2 You are the Boulder!

April 8th, 2021

52:18

We completed reviewing a transcript today of an episode of the podcast, The Alan Watts Audio Experience titled, “The Mind Will Do What It Wants”.  A …

Verse 8 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston!

April 2nd, 2021

1:03:57

Sensei Michael Elliston shares his thoughts on the 8th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective. Much discussion around the water analogy and Zen.

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Alan Watts – The Unblocked Mind

March 28th, 2021

53:54

We started reviewing a transcript today of an episode of the podcast, The Alan Watts Audio Experience titled, “The Mind Will Do What It Wants”.  We started an excellent discussion of intuitive knowing and making …

Chuang Tzu – The Man of Tao

March 22nd, 2021

32:17

Another description of learning to be the witness to life; allowing the Tao to work in our lives without obstruction.

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Chuang Tzu – Great and Small – Looking for your gift to give instead of comparing your gifts to those of others!

March 14th, 2021

50:24

Fantastic conversation! We see in this reading how we can approach compliments with humility and yet miss the mark with envy.

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Verse 7 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston!

March 10th, 2021

47:27

Sensei Michael Elliston shares his thoughts on the 7th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective. Much discussion around the idea of …

Chuang Tzu – Autumn Floods – Finding a Way to Give!

March 1st, 2021

55:38

This story not only shows the need for humility but how humility is found. The story then shows us a description of enlightenment and not to take …

Chuang Tzu – Duke Hwan and the Wheelwright!

February 19th, 2021

53:02

What makes words valuable? Is it the words themselves or the experience being conveyed within the words? How important is it to view text with open-mindedness? From a place of not-knowing rather than a place of thinking …

Chuang Tzu – Action and Non-Action; Don’t Just Do Something, Stand There!

February 14th, 2021

48:50

What is stillness? How do we really apply wu wei in everyday life?

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Verse 6 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston!

February 9th, 2021

48:55

Sensei Elliston shares his thoughts on the 6th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective. Much discussion about the feminine verse the …

Chuang Tzu – When A Hideous Man and The Five Enemies!

January 29th, 2021

49:22

These stories reminded us of how our perceptions are always incorrect; what we think is normally distorted by our fears and hopes. We lose our true …

Chuang Tzu – When Life Was Full There Was No History – Living Life in the Moment!

January 22nd, 2021

53:48

This story was an example of how to live in the moment, free of the swings in emotions and hooks that keep us trapped. We also discussed how anger …

Chuang Tzu – In My End Is My Beginning!

January 18th, 2021

55:44

Your new beginning can be found in EVERY ending! What a promise! The question for me is if I can slow down – pause – and allow the new beginning time to show itself!

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Verse 5 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston

January 10th, 2021

1:03:06

Craig M. prepared great questions this week for Sensei on verse 5. Sensei Elliston shares his thoughts on the 5th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective.

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Chuang Tzu – The Lost Pearl!

January 1st, 2021

49:41

We search everywhere for what we think will make us happy. If we are fortunate, we find that we had what we were really in need of all along. That is, if we can pause and look within; past all of our effort and seeking …

Chuang Tzu – How Deep Is Tao!

December 18th, 2020

42:24

More discussion of the characteristics of someone practicing the kingly life, living in “the way” or “the Tao.” The Tao thrives in stillness. What are the ways we find stillness in our lives? We also talked about ways …

Chuang Tzu – The Kingly Man!

December 14th, 2020

47:15

The kingly man is content in all things. We saw this as another example of Wu Wei – learning to live in the moment, with no agenda or selfish motives. We also discussed describing the path and walking the path being …

Verse 4 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston

December 4th, 2020

54:12

Sensei leads us in meditation training with a short meditation. He then shares his thoughts on the 4th verse of the Tao Te Ching from a Zen perspective.

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Chuang Tzu – Leaving Things Alone!

November 21st, 2020

43:49

The title says it all. Another view of the Wu Wei from a slightly different angle. How do we not interfere, allow, stay in balance, be at rest, be …

Chuang Tzu – What Would a Taoist Pray and Cracking the Safe!

November 14th, 2020

50:28

Before our discussion of this story, we discussed prayer - what we thought a Taoist would pray. Concerning the story, we talked about how our fears …

Chuang Tzu – Two Kings and No-Form!

November 6th, 2020

33:16

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. A good discussion of how difficult it is to let go and let God. The more we try to fix and control, …

Chuang Tzu – Monkey Mountain!

November 2nd, 2020

39:27

I want to thank Craig M. for filling in as host. A listener, Devin P, requested this story, which was close to the end of the book, so we moved it up. After an excellent discussion, we concluded that everything we have …

Chuang Tzu – Man is Born in Tao!

October 22nd, 2020

46:30

Excellent discussion on the Moral of this story: “All the fish needs is to get lost in water. All man needs is to get lost in Tao.” How do you get lost in Tao? What does this mean in practical daily life? We hope you …

Acceptance in Unacceptable Situations!

October 18th, 2020

53:03

Are our actions different when there is a situation we can change versus a situation we cannot change? Or are our actions, in reality, the same? The emphasis is normally on what we can or cannot change – not the …

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo – Gospel of Thomas verses 5 - 7

October 15th, 2020

42:58

In this episode, Zach E. and Buddy C. discuss verses five through seven of the Gospel of Thomas. We use rules to debate and stay trapped in self and …

Chuang Tzu – Metamorphosis – Where is There a Reason to Be Discouraged?

October 9th, 2020

51:46

Great discussion today! We saw gratitude from looking at what is, leading to acceptance as the theme of this story. Why should I be upset?

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Verse 3 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston

October 4th, 2020

1:03:11

Through pure and selfless action, we can practice not doing (not doing selfish action). Sensei was running late today, so we had time for a good discussion before he arrived. Sensei’s thoughts from a zen Buddhist …

Chuang Tzu – The True Man – Easy Come Easy Go!

September 27th, 2020

50:17

An example of a life that is lived by the Tao. We discussed our daily routines; how we connect spiritually every day, including our meditation routines.

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Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo – Gospel of Thomas verses 1 - 4

September 23rd, 2020

1:02:35

In this episode, Zach E. and Buddy C. discuss the first four verses of the Gospel of Thomas. An excellent discussion of the process of seeking, finding, being troubled, surrender, acceptance, then rest. Great Discussion!

Chuang Tzu – Confucious and the Madman – The Value of Uselessness!

September 17th, 2020

52:01

An excellent discussion of the paradox of uselessness in all areas of our life. A very in-depth discussion on the role of a sponsor and how to be …

Chuang Tzu – Lao Tzu’s Wake - Let go of What Is Dead and Embrace What Is Being Born!

September 11th, 2020

41:26

Our discussion included acceptance and the life cycle. Everything in our lives at some phase of birth – life- death, etc. The key is to learn to let go of what is dead so we can embrace what is new (being born)!

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Verse 2 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston

September 4th, 2020

1:08:41

An excellent discussion of the second verse of the Tao Te Ching with Sensei Elliston of the Soto Zen Center in Atlanta, Ga. Most of our discussion was about the need for a daily meditation practice and all the benefits …

Chuang Tzu – Three Friends!

August 30th, 2020

52:27

An excellent discussion of self-forgetting, losing expectations, and non-dualistic thinking!

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Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo - Chapter 58 – Maybe it is, Maybe not!

August 27th, 2020

48:39

In this episode, Zach E. and Buddy C. discuss Chapter 58 of the Tao Te Ching and the Taoist farmer. Is hope really as dangerous as fear?  Do we live …

Chuang Tzu – The Fasting of the Heart!

August 23rd, 2020

59:05

An excellent discussion of what we believe fasting from the heart means – Developing that relationship with our Higher Power that gives us a knowing of unity with others and freedom from ourselves. Contact us at

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo – Paradoxical Power of Vulnerability!

August 19th, 2020

1:07:23

Zach and I discuss Verse 57 of the Tao Te Ching. An excellent conversation about the strength of vulnerability and how we move from interference to …

Chuang Tzu – The Man with One Foot and the Marsh Pheasant

August 14th, 2020

54:42

An excellent discussion of freedom and purpose – both have to come from within. Others may think they know what is best for you but rarely do. Contact us at Wisdom56321@gmail.com

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Verse 1 Tao Te Ching Discussion with Sensei Elliston

August 8th, 2020

55:18

An excellent discussion of the first verse of the Tao Te Ching with Sensei Elliston of the Soto Zen Center in Atlanta, Ga.

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Chuang Tzu – Cutting up an Ox – Attraction Not Promotion!

August 2nd, 2020

59:18

Discussion of how wu wei, effortless effort, is a process and what it means to live life in more ease each day. We also related this story to Chapter 48 of the Tao Te Ching and how the prince learned from the experience …

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo – Does Change Start from Within?

July 29th, 2020

1:05:40

Great to have Zach E. back after the birth of his third child – a little boy! In this episode, Zach E. and Buddy C. have an unscripted conversation about the origins of change. Do we change because of outward …

Chuang Tzu – Three in the Morning – Approaching Life Without Partiality!

July 24th, 2020

43:03

All opposites cause the inverse. The way to the middle is through impartiality - being open to another's ideas and considering their opinion. When we honor others in this way, we can see both sides in light of the Tao.

Chuang Tzu – The Pivot – Being Led by Intuition!

July 17th, 2020

57:13

An excellent discussion of moving past judgment and opinions so we can learn from others and leave room for our HP to guide us. Lots of useful, …

Meeting with Sensei Michael Elliston of the Atlanta Soto Zen Center!

July 10th, 2020

1:22:28

In this episode, Sensei Elliston shares his experiences with Zen, beginner meditation, and much more! Lots of useful information! For more …

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo - Chapter 56 – Character of the Sage!

July 1st, 2020

35:13

In this episode, Zach E. and Buddy C. discuss Chapter 56 of the Tao Te Ching. In Chapter 56, Lao Tzu not only gives a description of what enlightenment looks like in our actions and attitudes but also what action to …

Chuang Tzu – Great Knowledge – Freedom from Fear!

June 25th, 2020

44:58

In this episode, we discuss how fear divides and controls our lives. Instead of being in the moment, we allow our fear to keep us in the past or the …

Chuang Tzu – The Breath of Nature!

June 22nd, 2020

35:18

In this episode, we discuss this beautiful poem attributed to Chuang Tzu. We discuss breathe and wind and analogies related to spirituality and …

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo - Chapter 55 – The Need to Know!

June 17th, 2020

1:07:11

In this episode, Zach E. and Buddy C. discuss Chapter 55 of the Tao Te Ching. A good discussion of how “the need to know” permeates all areas of life. Also discussed are the similarities between Christianity and …

Chuang Tzu – A Hat Salesman and A Capable Ruler – What Do We Value?

June 11th, 2020

48:58

In this episode, we study, A Hat Salesman and A Capable Ruler, a writing of Chuang Tzu. Great discussion of how empty our life can be if we place too …

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo - Chapter 54 – Cultivating the Tao!

June 10th, 2020

1:03:09

This is a bonus episode of a weekly Sponsor/Sponsee meeting between Zach E. and Buddy C. In this conversation, we talk about how we cultivate the Tao …

Chuang Tzu – The Useless Tree – Being Useful in Your Uselessness!

June 7th, 2020

47:30

In this episode, our discussion starts with Chuang Tzu’s, The Useless Tree, and moves to  Shel Silverstein's, The Giving Tree. Great discussion of how perceived uselessness can be an asset rather than a liability. We …

Zach E., Craig M. and Buddy C. Convo - Chapter 53 – Pride, Pride, Pride!

June 3rd, 2020

1:06:46

This is a weekly Sponsor/Sponsee meeting between Zach E. and Buddy C. with a guest appearance from Craig M. In this conversation, much is discussed, including the 53rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching. We concluded, in our …

Thomas Merton – The Way of Chuang Tzu Chapter 1!

May 31st, 2020

51:59

In this episode, we start our study of Chuang Tzu. We discuss the first chapter of the book entitled, “The Way of Chuang Tzu” by Thomas Merton. A …

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo - Chapter 52 - Yielding Is the Action That Brings Strength!

May 27th, 2020

1:17:15

This is a bonus episode of a weekly Sponsor/Sponsee meeting between Zach E. and Buddy C. In this conversation, much is discussed, including the 52nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, and how COVID has brought a realization …

Zach E. and Buddy C. Convo - Chapter 51 and Seeing Where You Are Going!

May 21st, 2020

53:45

This is the first of hopefully many bonus episodes of a weekly Sponsor/Sponsee meeting between Zach E. and Buddy C. In this conversation, much is …

Chapter 81 Tao Te Ching – Living Empty!

May 14th, 2020

1:00:29

In the 81st  Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes how a life filled with giving is the most fulfilling. How do I learn to give? By being …

Chapter 80 Tao Te Ching – Contentment!

May 7th, 2020

38:48

In the 80th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes a life of contentment – where our bucket list is made of things we can find within. Turning the light within – not only for disturbances but for our contentment …

Chapter 79 Tao Te Ching – Resentments – Seeking a Way to Give!

April 30th, 2020

51:29

In the 79th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes how the Tao is on the side of those that seek a way to give rather than to get. A good discussion on dealing with lingering resentments that plague anyone that …

Chapter 78 Tao Te Ching – Exerting Powerlessness Like Water!

April 23rd, 2020

46:32

In the 78th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu gives another analogy demonstrating the paradoxical strength of water. We see so much more peace in our lives as we learn to respond like water in our everyday life - an …

Chapter 77 Tao Te Ching – Living Without Relying on Your Effort!

April 16th, 2020

52:40

In the 77th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, we think Lao Tzu is giving another description of wu wei but who really knows. There is a place of use and ease when using a bow. A bow is useless if it is not in balance. We …

Chapter 76 Tao Te Ching – Flexibility Is a Strength Not a Weakness!

April 9th, 2020

46:39

In the 76th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu explains flexibility. Anything alive is flexible, pliable, and meek. Death brings rigidity, stiffness, and weakness. Learning to be flexible in everyday life is essential …

Chapter 75 Tao Te Ching – Those Who Do Not Cling to Their Life Can Save It!

April 2nd, 2020

43:31

In the 75th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes the ways that our attachment, resistance, and other demands keep us from enjoying life. Good discussion on the things we are clinging to and how to let go.

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Fear and the Tao Te Ching – No Greater Illusion than Fear!

March 26th, 2020

1:03:54

Lao Tzu said much about our response to fear. Our real problem is not the pandemic or any other issue. Instead, our problem is the fear of that issue or problem. Good discussion on the difference between fear and …

Chapter 74 Tao Te Ching – Living with No Fear of Loss!

March 12th, 2020

49:12

In the 74th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes what happens when we try to control the future out of fear. Death is not the issue. Death …

Chapter 73 Tao Te Ching – Living at Ease Despite Ourselves!

March 5th, 2020

53:53

In the 73rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes how the Tao is at ease at all times, accomplishes all, and nothing escapes its plan. Great discussion of how to live in ease and the manifestations of ego and …

Chapter 72 Tao Te Ching – Don’t Resist the Natural Course of Your Life!

February 27th, 2020

45:20

In the 72nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes clear cut guidelines to be happy in this world. These guidelines include respect and acceptance. Acceptance, not only of our circumstances but acceptance of …

Chapter 71 Tao Te Ching – Are You Sick of Being Sick?

February 20th, 2020

49:17

In the 71st Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes the state of “not knowing”. A very good discussion of how having a “not knowing” mind toward all things, starting with our recovery, leaves room for the right …

Chapter 70 Tao Te Ching – Is Sobriety Hard?

February 13th, 2020

54:38

In the 70th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes the Tao. The Tao is not found by knowledge or excessive effort. The Tao is found by looking within and surrender. We also had a great discussion on the …

Light in the Tao Te Ching

February 6th, 2020

58:51

In this episode, we discuss light quotes in the Tao Te Ching and the analogy of lighting a room and how this is similar to our approach to recovery. The dark is not a problem – once we bring light into the room the …

Chapter 69 Tao Te Ching – Living Without Enemies!

January 30th, 2020

42:05

In the 69th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu explains that the idea of having an enemy is an illusion. We block the salvation we are looking for when we treat others as enemies. When I attack, I am always, always, …

Chapter 68 Tao Te Ching – What Would Lao Tzu Do?

January 23rd, 2020

53:44

In the 68th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu described Tao on a graduate level – learning how to compete in a world of competitors - without competing! How to live a way of non-resistance in every circumstance of …

Chapter 67 Tao Te Ching – Love Is Your Greatest Defense!

January 16th, 2020

55:20

In the 67th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that love is the dominant force in the universe. We discuss how our Higher Power is love, substituting love for Higher Power in the 12 steps and how love is our …

Chapter 66 Tao Te Ching – How to Be Humble When You Are an Alcoholic in Every Way!

January 9th, 2020

51:06

In the 66th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu uses the ocean’s relationship to all the water of the world. The ocean is the greatest out of the effort to be the lowest, not from force or push. Good discussion!

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Chapter 65 Tao Te Ching – Learning How to Not Know!

October 31st, 2019

44:18

In the 65th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us of true Tao virtue (Te) which shows up when we approach life with vulnerability - from …

Chapter 64 Tao Te Ching – Paying Attention to What Others Ignore!

October 24th, 2019

49:50

In the 64th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu gives us both practical and spiritual solutions to the issues of life. Many times these practical …

Chapter 63 Tao Te Ching – Learning to Live in Ease!

October 17th, 2019

47:33

In the 63rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us how to live in ease. There are both physical and spiritual aspects of living at ease that can be overlooked if we depend on effort to bring about our comfort.

Chapter 62 Tao Te Ching – Finding Without Looking!

October 11th, 2019

50:11

In the 62nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that the Tao provides for all indiscriminately and does not take personally anyone’s …

Chapter 61 Tao Te Ching – The Power of Humility!

October 3rd, 2019

52:47

In the 61st Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that if we change our perception, all perceived enemies are really teachers. This does not mean we have to be doormats – it means we can handle any situation …

Chapter 60 Tao Te Ching – Stop Poking the Fish!

September 26th, 2019

52:23

In the 60th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us how to allow negativity to disappear in our lives by simply responding with kindness. Good discussion as to how to allow our lives to elevate to a place of more …

Chapter 59 Tao Te Ching – Freedom from Me!

September 19th, 2019

55:20

In the 59th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu gives characteristics of a life where nothing is impossible, even freedom from me! What a surprise, it starts by making room and letting go!

Here is a link to an online …

Chapter 58 Tao Te Ching – I cannot MAKE someone happy, no matter how much they need it!

September 12th, 2019

58:34

In the 58th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes viewing your life far above good and bad circumstances or valleys and mountain tops. We also discussed the way to influence others – not by trying to change the …

Chapter 57 Tao Te Ching – Move from Interfering to Allowing!

September 5th, 2019

57:34

In the 57th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes living a life of allowing rather than interfering – not only in our own life but also with …

Chapter 56 Tao Te Ching – What living in Being looks like!

August 29th, 2019

54:02

In the 56th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu gives us an example of what “Being” looks like – the highest state of man. Great discussion of learning to live past attachments, profit and loss, honor and disgrace – …

Chapter 55 Tao Te Ching – Living a Life without Disappointment!

August 22nd, 2019

52:34

In the 55th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us how to live a life without disappointment. Is this possible? It is very possible when we …

Chapter 54 Tao Te Ching – Let Virtue Grow!

August 15th, 2019

41:44

In the 54th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us to let virtue grow in all areas of our lives. This of course starts with us learning to look within. Once we start being aware, we can begin to ask, “How can I …

Chapter 53 Tao Te Ching – Be the Change!

August 8th, 2019

51:42

In the 53rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us that all change starts with us. We also discussed how to stay on “the path” and avoid the distractions that keep us from that higher life of peace and joy we …

Chapter 52 Tao Te Ching – Notice the smallest of Roses!

August 1st, 2019

51:05

In the 52nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us that yielding is strength. Nothing else compares to yielding for strength in any situation. How do we yield? It starts by realizing that we all have that God …

Chapter 51 Tao Te Ching – Let Go and Let the Tao (God)!

July 25th, 2019

55:38

In the 51st Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us to let Life, Tao, God, Higher Power, etc. complete us. The nature of our Higher Power is also discussed and the red flags that tell us when we are stepping in …

Chapter 50 Tao Te Ching – Living in the dash!

July 18th, 2019

53:31

In the 50th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us it is important how we live the dash (-) between our birth and death. A small percentage of people really learn to “practice the principles in all our affairs” …

Chapter 49 Tao Te Ching – Learning to Love Ourselves!

July 11th, 2019

56:41

In the 49th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us that our key to accepting and loving ourselves is in our interactions, acceptance, and love of others. We are not separate from anyone. When I attack you, I am …

Chapter 48 Tao Te Ching – Living by Decreasing!

July 4th, 2019

58:16

In the 48th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us that our interference in life is more of a hindrance than a help. Our peace and joy is found within; not in the things we attain or the people we perfectly …

Chapter 47 Tao Te Ching – Following your Inner Light!

June 27th, 2019

51:38

In the 47th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us that as we progress from having to doing to being, we will realize all of the answers are within. These answers are found through surrender rather than more …

Chapter 46 Tao Te Ching – Gratitude + Acceptance = Contentment!

June 20th, 2019

52:28

In the 46th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us that fear is the greatest illusion and desire is your greatest enemy. Great Discussion!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in …

Chapter 45 Tao Te Ching – When we judge others we are judging ourselves!

June 13th, 2019

55:02

In the 45th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us of how with 1st impressions, we make judgements that trap us in our selfishness and fears.

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use …

Chapter 44 Tao Te Ching – Part 2 – You Lack Nothing!

June 6th, 2019

1:02:16

In this second part of our discussion of the 44th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us we lack nothing whether we realize it or not. Great discussion of how to make this a reality in everyday life.

Here is a …

Chapter 44 Tao Te Ching – Part 1 – Arrive by Stopping!

May 30th, 2019

54:53

In the 44th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us of how contentment is gained by accepting life as it is instead of finding our value in what we achieve or what we do not achieve. We also discuss some …

Chapter 43 Tao Te Ching – Acting out of Surrender rather than Stress and Control!

May 23rd, 2019

54:49

In the 43rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us of Wu Wei, or unattached action. This is action that holds all we desire but few learn …

Chapter 42 Tao Te Ching – It is Great to be a Loser!

May 16th, 2019

56:27

In the 42nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us of one of the foundational teachings of the Tao; violence in any form begets violence – …

Chapter 41 Tao Te Ching – We are one thought removed from Peace and Joy!

May 9th, 2019

57:37

In the 41st Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu reminds us of the paradoxical nature of truth. When we smirk at an answer, that is not self-serving, that answer probably needs to be reconsidered. A small shift can mean …

Chapter 40 Tao Te Ching – The Weaker We Get The Stronger We Become!

May 2nd, 2019

56:03

In the 40th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us in very few words that yielding is always the way of the Tao; The Tao advances by not pressing forward. Good conversation about what yielding in life looks like. …

Chapter 39 Tao Te Ching – Real Humility!

April 25th, 2019

57:39

In the 39th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us how we are all connected. Being we are all connected and part of a greater whole; when I …

Chapter 38 Tao Te Ching Part 2 – Being Good instead of Doing Good!

April 18th, 2019

55:10

This is part 2 of our discussion of the 38th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching. Lao Tzu gives us 3 ways to live in the Tao instead of our poor substitutes; 1. Acting unselfishly, 2. Give without conditions, 3. See without …

Chapter 38 Tao Te Ching Part 1– Be Good instead of Do Good!

April 11th, 2019

25:07

This is part 1 of our discussion of the 38th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching. Lao Tzu gives us the levels of false spirituality again and how we are to “be good” instead of the false “do good” substitutes going downward …

Chapter 37 Tao Te Ching Part 2– Practical Application!

April 5th, 2019

53:20

This is part 2 of our discussion of the 37th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching. Lao Tzu gives insight on our part in life which many times is different than we interpret. We discussed with Kate E. how to apply this chapter in …

Chapter 37 Tao Te Ching Part 1– work not WORK!

March 28th, 2019

51:13

This is part 1 of our discussion of the 37th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching. Lao Tzu gives insight on our part in life and how we mistake work for work. We discuss how we tapped into something greater in our recovery and …

Chapter 36 Tao Te Ching – It is difficult to appreciate the gift in our struggles!

March 21st, 2019

53:25

In the 36th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu gives us an insight into our difficulties in life – To take something, you must first give it up …

Chapter 35 Tao Te Ching – Living a Life of Attraction!

March 14th, 2019

57:18

In the 35th  Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu gives us a paradox of spirituality – what we think will make us happy never does. When we focus on the persons, places, and things of this world to make us happy instead …

Chapter 34 Tao Te Ching – Acting our way into Powerlessness!

March 7th, 2019

51:18

In the 34th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that by not possessing, making no claim, not dominating, not lording over others, not …

Chapter 33 Tao Te Ching – Understanding Yourself Instead of Blaming Others!

February 28th, 2019

50:54

Learning not to give others permission to upset us is one of the great gifts from Lao Tzu in the 33rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in every meeting;

Chapter 32 Tao Te Ching – Guidance and the Tao!

February 22nd, 2019

47:58

How do we know the right thing to do? The 32nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu uses a great example from nature that can show us!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in every …

Chapter 31 Tao Te Ching – Stopping the Fight – Starting with me!

February 14th, 2019

50:36

One interpretation of Lao Tzu's 31st Chapter of the Tao Te Ching could be avoiding the fight – starting with the fight within us then outwardly …

Chapter 30 Tao Te Ching – Force ALWAYS causes Resistance!

February 7th, 2019

48:08

According to Lao Tzu in the 30th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, force always causes resistance – PERIOD. NO EXCEPTIONS! When I resist a thought it grows. When I resist being angry that resistance gives the anger more …

Chapter 29 Tao Te Ching – Surrender to the natural flow of life!

January 31st, 2019

42:31

According to Lao Tzu in the 29th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, our life is perfect just as it is. We hinder the natural flow of life with our control. …

Chapter 28 Tao Te Ching – Being the Valley; Learning to be the source for those in our lives rather a drain on everyone around us!

January 24th, 2019

41:20

In the 28th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu tells us that by loving others and surrender, we can become the source of life needed in our relationships and our recovery.

Here is a link to an online version of the …

Wu wei in the Tao Te Ching – What is "our part" in the actions we take in both recovery and the rest of our life?

January 18th, 2019

53:29

Lao Tzu discusses Wu wei often in the Tao Te Ching. One of our Members, Marla H. is looking for a job. We discuss "effortless effort" – a principle known as Wu wei in Taoist thought. What is "our part" in whatever we …

Chapter 27 Tao Te Ching – ALL is your Teacher AND your Student!

January 10th, 2019

53:11

Lao Tzu teaches us in the 27th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching that we can both learn from and help those we ignore much more than we realize. Every circumstance, every person, every emotion, every fear, every joy is our …

Chapter 26 Tao Te Ching – Living Undisturbed! Is this possible?

January 3rd, 2019

55:07

In the 26th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discussed that when we are disturbed there is a problem within us and steps we can take to return to a state of peace and joy. The problem being within is great news! …

Chapter 25 Tao Te Ching – I came from, I am, and I attract Greatness!

December 27th, 2018

54:45

In the 25th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discusses the Greatness of our HP (Higher Power or Tao). We came from this Greatness and can learn to live in this Greatness every day, all day! We also discussed how our …

Chapter 24 Tao Te Ching - Learning to accept compliments without pride or ego using gratitude!

December 20th, 2018

52:32

In the 24th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discusses how the natural flow of the Tao operates: It asks nothing of you as it provides everyone with unlimited supplies of food, air, water, sunshine, land, and …

Chapter 23 Tao Te Ching - Learning to live intuitively without forcing anything or anyone!

December 13th, 2018

50:57

In the 23rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu says the Tao response isn’t within your ego. Your ego strongly believes in your ability to force things, to make things happen, or to be the person in charge. The Tao …

Chapter 22 Tao Te Ching - Learning to live in flexibility and how living in such a way that what you need comes to you rather than you fighting to get!

December 6th, 2018

54:26

Great chapter! In the 22nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu says you can make the choice to weather the storm by allowing it to blow through without resistance. By not fighting, but instead relaxing and going with …

Chapter 21 Tao Te Ching - Not clinging to preconceived ideas. How does the Tao light our lives - we let it!

November 29th, 2018

48:59

Lao Tzu says so much in the 21st Chapter of the Tao Te Ching! Letting it happen, Looking within for the solution, It is within the emptiness that we …

Thanksgiving Episode – Tao Te Ching discussion of our favorite Tao Quotes, Letting Go said in many ways!

November 22nd, 2018

48:46

We hope you enjoy a discussion of our favorite Tao quotes. Most were written by Lao Tzu in the Tao Te Ching. Our group hopes everyone has a great day …

Chapter 20 Tao Te Ching – Trying not to try; giving up the rat race. Tao Te Ching discussion of Our Favorite Tao Quotes, Letting go said in many ways!

November 15th, 2018

1:03:22

In the 20th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discusses how we may not realize how often you endeavor to accomplish all sorts of things with the idea that once you do, you’ll finally have the time to do what you

Chapter 19 Tao Te Ching – Let go of “Working harder and doing better” Tao Te Ching discussion of Our Favorite Tao Quotes, Letting go said in many ways!

November 12th, 2018

37:27

In the 19th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu continues to illustrate that “all that glitters is not gold.” We have been fooled into thinking we …

Chapter 18 Tao Te Ching - Substitutes for Powerlessness and being right with the Tao!

November 1st, 2018

46:44

In the 18th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu explains that you can live from your heart, viewing virtue as an individual responsibility that you adhere to without a statue or edict telling you. We discussed Chapter …

Chapter 17 Tao Te Ching – Progression of Alcoholism and Learning to Trust by Letting Go of Control!

October 25th, 2018

47:02

Lao Tzu shows in the 17th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching an example we can apply to the progression of alcoholism and our return through hate, fear, …

Chapter 16 Tao Te Ching Part 2 – Everything in Life is Cyclical!

October 18th, 2018

49:33

This is Part 2 of our discussion of Chapter 16 of the Tao Te Ching. Lao Tzu explained how all of life is in a no-life, life, no-life cycle; every relationship, job, even every care has this element. If we do not let go …

Chapter 16 Tao Te Ching Part 1 – The only constant is change!

October 13th, 2018

41:23

In Chapter 16 of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows the importance of becoming a passer by – not holding on. Until you let go of the old you cannot …

Chapter 15 Part 2 Tao Te Ching - Living with ease and acceptance!

October 13th, 2018

51:26

Lao Tzu discusses in the 15th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching how the completeness we are seeking comes from being able to be used, which is only …

Chapter 15 Tao Te Ching Part 1 - Living with ease and acceptance!

October 13th, 2018

34:12

In the 15th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discusses how when we pause and allow everything to settle down that many times the right answers appear with no effort on our part.

Here is a link to an online version …

Chapter 14 Tao Te Ching - Living by Being rather than Doing!

October 13th, 2018

50:32

In the 14th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discusses how through gratitude we can learn to be rather than do. We are called human beings rather than human doings for a reason!

Here is a link to an online version …

Chapter 13 Tao Te Ching - Not living by the opinions of others!

October 13th, 2018

56:15

In the 13th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discusses impersonalizing relationships - our greatest enemy is the shadow we cast.

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in every meeting;

Chapter 12 Tao Te Ching - Living with inner conviction – How well we let go and live by that natural state of the Tao, not how much we know!

October 13th, 2018

46:34

Lao Tzu discusses in the 12th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching; Living with inner conviction – How well we let go and live by that natural state of the Tao, not how much we know!

Here is a link to an online version of the …

Chapter 11 Tao Te Ching Part 2 Qualities of an Empty Cup!

October 13th, 2018

56:48

Part 2 of our discussion of the 11th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discusses the value of being empty – allowing rather than trying. We talked in-depth about the qualities of a cup and how this simple analogy …

Chapter 11 Tao Te Ching Part 1 Allowing rather than Trying!

October 13th, 2018

46:45

In Part 1 of this discussion of the 11th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu illustrated how to allow rather than try and much more!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in every meeting;

Chapter 10 Tao Te Ching - Having without Possessing, Acting without Expectations!

October 12th, 2018

54:33

In Chapter 10 of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu discussed having without possessing and acting without expectations.

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te Ching that we use in every meeting;

Chapter 9 Tao Te Ching – Break Free From the Prison of People Pleasing!

October 12th, 2018

54:46

We hope your 2020 is filled with emptiness! In the 9th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us we are the prisoner of those we are trying to please. People pleasing causes us to lose our ability to moderate in all …

Chapter 8 Tao Te Ching – Doing the Next Right Thing!

October 12th, 2018

47:05

In the 8th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that even 2500 years ago, “Doing the next right thing” was the solution! An example used …

Chapter 7 Tao Te Ching – Becoming a Giving Machine!

October 12th, 2018

1:03:55

In the 7th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that living in selfless action is the key to fulfillment. This practice of walking in love …

Chapter 6 Tao Te Ching – Learning to Respond!

October 12th, 2018

50:53

In the 6th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us our part in life is so much different than we may think. We learn that our job is to “listen for the echo.” Can we allow the noise to be removed from our lives? …

Chapter 5 Tao Te Ching – If Sobriety Works for Me, It Can Work for You Too!

October 12th, 2018

51:40

In the 5th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that the Tao treats all the same. In recovery, I interpret that as meaning, if I can get sober, you can too!

Here is a link to an online version of the Tao Te …

Chapter 4 Tao Te Ching – We Never Graduate!

October 12th, 2018

43:08

In the 4th Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that life is never a “You show me twice, and I will take it from there” proposition. The Tao thrives in our emptiness – our being ok with not knowing and not …

Chapter 3 Tao Te Ching – Selfless Action Causes Everything to Fall into Place!

October 12th, 2018

53:57

In the 3rd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu describes a life of peace and joy begins with inner emptiness, not external fullness. It is perfectly …

Chapter 2 Tao Te Ching – Learning to Be!

October 12th, 2018

55:07

In the 2nd Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us that life can appear effortless (without angst - not without work) when we learn to do the job that is in front of us to do and not get so invested in outcomes we …

Chapter 1 Tao Te Ching – The Way of Not Knowing!

October 12th, 2018

51:15

In the 1st Chapter of the Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu shows us the way of the Tao is a way of “not knowing.” Most of us are taught growing up that the first thing we do is label – good or bad, etc. We were taught to identify …

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