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ADHD + Entrepreneurship: A Conversation with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse
November 21st, 2023
Michele chats with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse, about finding out one has ADHD as an adult, entrepreneurship as people with ADHD, parenting an …
Section 174 Update: Sign the new letter!
October 23rd, 2023
Sign the National Association of Manufacturers letter! https://ssballiance.org/
Can the R&D Tax Credit Offset the Section 174 Changes?
September 9th, 2023
The R&D Tax Credit still exists, and it might be able to help you offset the Section 174 changes. Michele talks to R&D Tax Credit expert …
The letter to Congress has been sent! Here's what comes next.
April 18th, 2023
CNBC article: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/18/software-firms-face-huge-tax-bills-that-threaten-tech-startup-survival.html
Politico Morning Tax: …
Keep Calm and Carry On
April 7th, 2023
Michele gives another update on the Section 174 effort and chats with Tyler Tringas and Arvid Kahl.
Huge thanks to Justin Jackson and Corey Haines for sending out the letter to their newsletters! Subscribe to their …
Numbers Update + Chat with Landon and Kyle
April 4th, 2023
Numbers update on the letter to Congress + crossover with Made with Grit.
It's me, hi. It's the problem, it's Section 174
March 29th, 2023
An update from Michele on what she and Colleen have been doing for the past few months, and an urgent call to action to sign the Small Software …
What 2023 Brings for Colleen, Michele, and This Show
January 3rd, 2023
Colleen and Michele talk about their hopes and plans for 2023, and make an announcement about this show.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who …
The Forcing Function Episode: Launch Christian Genco's New SaaS
December 27th, 2022
Michele talked to Christian Genco on December 1 about what he needed to do to launch his new SaaS, TheVideoClipper, with a deadline of having it done …
Reflecting on 2022
December 20th, 2022
Michele and Colleen reflect on the year.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show <3
- Chris from
Culture + Feedback = ???
December 13th, 2022
Michele shares her takeaways from the book The Culture Map and what it might mean for getting product feedback and building products across …
TinySeed, TinyConf
December 6th, 2022
Colleen recaps her learnings from her first TinySeed meetup/MicroConf: Local Austin.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software …
Listing on MicroAcquire
November 29th, 2022
Colleen is ready to go all-in on Refine... and that means moving on from Simple File Upload.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become …
The Hammerstone Podcast is back
November 22nd, 2022
Colleen and her business partner Aaron give an update on Hammerstone (Refine) in this crossover episode.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve …
Qualitative and Quantitative Data
November 15th, 2022
Talking to other entrepreneurs made Michele realize that she hasn't talked about interplay of qualitative *and* qualitative data enough. Michele and …
TinySeed!
November 8th, 2022
Colleen's company was accepted to TinySeed, which means she now gets to work on Refine full time. That means she can finally make some hard decisions …
Getting Into Public Speaking as a Developer
November 1st, 2022
Michele chats with indie developer Benedicte Raae about getting into public speaking through streaming.
Follow Benedicte on Twitter! …
Sick Leave for Indie Founders?
October 25th, 2022
Should indie founders take sick leave? Michele and Colleen discuss.
A couple friends of this pod have launched their own shows for entrepreneurs …
Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 2
October 18th, 2022
Michele continues her chat with Summit founder Matt Wensing about ways indie SaaS founders can think about moats and competitive advantages. This episode: cost advantages, size advantages (big and small), and false …
Talking Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 1
October 11th, 2022
Michele chats with Summit founder Matt Wensing about intangible assets, switching costs, and network effects, and how they apply to indie software companies.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software …
Refine Update with Aaron and Colleen
October 4th, 2022
Aaron Francis, Colleen's co-founder, swings by to chat about Refine.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and …
Super Pumped (aka The Saturday Edition)
September 27th, 2022
Four things Colleen is super pumped about... and one thing she's not.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and …
Sprinting a Marathon
September 20th, 2022
Colleen and Michele both have a lot going on.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can …
Hairy Projects and Heat Waves
September 13th, 2022
Michele's trying to figure out how to approach charging sales taxes, and Colleen finally pushes to prod.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve …
Distribution vs Marketing
September 6th, 2022
Colleen's in go mode for Refine.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a …
One Weekly Win
August 30th, 2022
Colleen shares the secret to her recent productivity.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You …
The One Where Colleen Goes to LA and Michele Looks at Haybales
August 23rd, 2022
Should indie entrepreneurs take advice from VC-track folks?
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our …
That's the Job
August 16th, 2022
Learning new things, feeling like you're a bit out of your depth, pushing to the next level: that's the job of being an entrepreneur, and Colleen and …
Work vs Life vs Everything Else
August 9th, 2022
Michele and Colleen catch up on Michele's conference talks... and try to figure out how to make her life work.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners …
Bonus: Pre-Episode Banter for 8/9/22
August 4th, 2022
Folks seem to love our casual banter, so here's what Zoom captured on our backup recording before we started the actual recording for next Tuesday's …
Colleen vs the Cliff
August 2nd, 2022
It's finally August, and Colleen is coming up on the deadline for Refine to support her working full-time... or is it?
Huge thanks to all of our …
Starting a Business - Even When Your Family Doesn't Want You To
July 26th, 2022
Follow Lucie! https://twitter.com/LucieBaratte
Check out Logology: https://www.logology.co/
See her husband Dagobert's memes: …
Vision and Empathy with Lucie Baratte of Logology
July 19th, 2022
Follow Lucie! https://twitter.com/LucieBaratte
Check out Logology: https://www.logology.co/
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software …
What's Hammerstone? A Broadcast of the Hammerstone.dev Podcast with Colleen and Aaron
July 12th, 2022
Check out Hammerstone here!
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for …
From Side Project to Full Time with Damon Chen and Michael Rouveure
July 5th, 2022
This episode was sponsored by Calm Fund, an ecosystem of founders and funders of profitable, sustainable, calm businesses. Calm Fund invests early in profitable businesses that want to maximize their chances of success …
When Should You Let People Pay You?
June 28th, 2022
Follow Vic! https://twitter.com/VicVijayakumar
EveryOak, Vic's preschool communications SaaS: https://www.everyoak.com/
Try out HeyTexting: …
Q&A!
June 21st, 2022
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year …
Sales Mode
June 14th, 2022
Check out The Art of Product Podcast and Default Alive.
And of course, Colleen's favorite twitter thread by Nathan Barry. Also mentioned, Y …
101 Episodes!
June 7th, 2022
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our show! You can become a supporter for $10 a month or $100 a year …
The One Where the WiFi Goes Out
May 31st, 2022
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Betting on Multiple Horses with Dan Rowden and James McKinven
May 24th, 2022
Follow Dan! https://twitter.com/dr
See all of Dan's businesses: https://danrowden.com/
Follow James! https://twitter.com/jmckinven
See all of James' …
The Water Bowl of Sorrow
May 17th, 2022
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Be a Champion with Zuzana Kunckova, Founder of Larabelles
May 10th, 2022
Follow Zuzana on Twitter. Zuzana's website.
Check out Larabelles.
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support …
Launching, Back to the Future Style
May 3rd, 2022
Check out Colleen's new product, Refine: https://hammerstone.dev
Huge thanks to all of our listeners who’ve become Software Socialites and support our …
Positioning for Maximum Impact with Zach Goldie
April 26th, 2022
Check out Zach's website: https://www.zachgoldie.com
Founding, Selling, and Starting Anew with Adam Pallozzi, Exited Founder of Junior Rockers and Co-Founder of SleepHQ
April 19th, 2022
Follow Adam: https://twitter.com/adampallozzi
Check out Adam's new business, SleepHQ: https://sleephq.com
Sales for Founders with Ben Orenstein, Co-Founder of Tuple
April 5th, 2022
Follow Ben: https://twitter.com/r00k
Check out Tuple: https://tuple.app
Did your latest AWS bill give you a heart attack?
CloudForecast sends you daily …
From Learning to Code to Llamas
March 29th, 2022
Follow Marie: https://twitter.com/threehourcoffee
Check out Llama Life: https://twitter.com/llamalifeco
Check out Marie's learn to code YouTube …
Less Codesy Stuff, More Salesy Stuff
March 22nd, 2022
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Raising a Business and Family with Anna Maste
March 15th, 2022
Follow Anna: https://twitter.com/skulegirl
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Finding Your Career Niche with Nate Berkopec
March 8th, 2022
Nate's website: speedshop.co
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by Flightcontrol. You can save up to 80% of your hosting costs by …
Special episode: Two additional ways you can help Ukraine
March 2nd, 2022
List of Ukrainian indie businesses/OSS contributors/creators to support: https://ukrainianweb.biz/
Donate to World Central Kitchen: https://donate.wck.org/ and let Michele know your donation is part of her matching …
The Business of This Podcast
March 1st, 2022
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How to Use Twitter Effectively (feat. Arvid Kahl)
February 22nd, 2022
Follow Arvid: https://twitter.com/arvidkahl
Arvid's Twitter course: https://www.findyourfollowing.com/
This episode of Software Social is brought to …
Workshopping Pay-As-You-Go Failed Payments
February 15th, 2022
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by TranslateCI. Translate CI is a tool for developers that helps you localize applications with …
Selling a Business and Scaling Another Amidst Tragedy
February 8th, 2022
Read the post Jesse mentions about his daughter Leia: https://jessehanley.com/blog/2021
Follow Jesse: https://twitter.com/jessethanley
Check out Bento:
From Bodybuilder to SaaS Founder
February 1st, 2022
Follow Jesse: https://twitter.com/jessethanley
Check out Bento: https://bentonow.com/
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by TranslateCI. …
Redefining Success with Chris Spagnuolo of Jetboost
January 25th, 2022
Follow Chris: https://twitter.com/c_spags
Check out JetBoost: https://www.jetboost.io/
Listen to Default Alive: https://www.defaultalive.fm/
This …
January Blues and easy wins
January 18th, 2022
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by TranslateCI. Translate CI is a tool for developers that helps you localize applications with …
Learning How to Interview Customers: A Conversation with Jonathan Markwell
January 11th, 2022
Listen to Empathy Deployed! https://empathydeployed.com/
Follow Jonathan! https://twitter.com/jot
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by …
From Side Project to $6M ARR
January 4th, 2022
Colleen and Michele chat with Nick Zadrozny, Founder and CEO of Bonsai.
It's Been a Year
December 28th, 2021
Every doctor is concerned about your vital signs, but a good doctor cares about your overall health. Your website deserves the same care, and Hey Check It is here to help
- Hey Check It is a website performance …
Enterprise Sales as an Indie SaaS featuring Josh Ho, Founder of ReferralRock
December 21st, 2021
Follow Josh! https://twitter.com/jlogic
Every doctor is concerned about your vital signs, but a good doctor cares about your overall health. Your …
Marketing for SaaS Founders with Corey Haines of Swipe Files
December 13th, 2021
Every doctor is concerned about your vital signs, but a good doctor cares about your overall health. Your website deserves the same care, and Hey Check It is here to help
- Hey Check It is a website performance …
Using Atomic Habits to Get Through Burnout
December 7th, 2021
Every doctor is concerned about your vital signs, but a good doctor cares about your overall health. Your website deserves the same care, and Hey Check It is here to help
- Hey Check It is a website performance …
Solving Your Spouse's Problem: A Conversation with Jordan O'Connor, Founder of Closet Tools
November 30th, 2021
Follow Jordan! https://twitter.com/jdnoc
Every doctor is concerned about your vital signs, but a good doctor cares about your overall health. Your …
So This Is Burnout
November 23rd, 2021
Every doctor is concerned about your vital signs, but a good doctor cares about your overall health. Your website deserves the same care, and Hey Check It is here to help
- Hey Check It is a website performance …
Using Jobs to Be Done to Build a Whiteboard That Does Math: A Conversation with Matt Wensing, Founder of Summit
November 16th, 2021
Every doctor is concerned about your vital signs, but a good doctor cares about your overall health. Your website deserves the same care, and Hey Check It is here to help
- Hey Check It is a website performance …
Founder Summit Takeaways
November 9th, 2021
Follow the speakers we mentioned!
David Sherry: https://twitter.com/_brandswell
Itamar Marani: https://twitter.com/itamarmarani
Colleen Schnettler 0:00 …
A Conversation with Kevin Sahin, Co-Founder of ScrapingBee
November 2nd, 2021
Follow Kevin! https://twitter.com/SahinKevin
Check out ScrapingBee: https://www.scrapingbee.com/
AUTOMATED TRANSCRIPT
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
This …
A Conversation with Rosie Sherry
October 26th, 2021
Follow Rosie! https://twitter.com/rosiesherry
Check out Rosieland: https://rosie.land/
Michele Hansen 0:01
This episode of Software Social is brought …
Getting Meta
October 19th, 2021
MIchele: This episode of Software Social is brought to you by Reform.
As a business owner, you need forms all the time for lead capture, user feedback, SaaS onboarding, job applications, early access signups, and many …
Deploy Empathy Audiobook Podcast Preview
October 12th, 2021
Go to deployempathy.com to buy the audiobook private podcast, physical book, or ebook!
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by Reform.
As a business owner, you need forms all the time for lead capture, user …
To Freemium, or Not to Freemium
October 5th, 2021
Michele Hansen 0:01
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by Reform.
As a business owner, you need forms all the time for lead capture, user feedback, SaaS onboarding, job applications, early access signups, …
Taking on Amazon...and winning?
September 28th, 2021
Michele Hansen 0:01
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by Reform.
As a business owner, you need forms all the time for lead capture, user feedback, SaaS onboarding, job applications, early access signups, …
Software Social University?
September 21st, 2021
Michele Hansen 0:01
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by Reform.
As a business owner, you need forms all the time for lead capture, user feedback, SaaS onboarding, job applications, early access …
A Tour Through Struggle: Cam Sloan, Founder of Hopscotch Product Tours
September 14th, 2021
Send Cam some love and support! https://twitter.com/SloanCam
Check out Hopscotch: https://hopscotch.club/
Michele Hansen 0:01
This episode of Software Social is brought to you by Reform.
As a business owner, you need …
Just Tell People About The Thing You Made
September 7th, 2021
Listen to the latest from Michele's podcast book tour!
Searching for SaaS: https://searchingforsaas.com/podcast/ep25-local-restaurant-app-to-geocoding-as-a-service-michele-hansen-from-geocodio/
One Knight In Product: …
Everything Is Happening
August 31st, 2021
Michele Hansen 0:00
Hey, welcome back to Software Social. This episode of Software Social is sponsored by Noko. https://nokotime.com/
When you’re bootstrapping on the side, every free moment counts. But do you really …
Struggle and Sponsors: A Conversation with Adam Hill, Creator of Django Unicorn
August 24th, 2021
Check out Django Unicorn! https://www.django-unicorn.com/
Follow Adam on Twitter: https://twitter.com/adamghill
Michele Hansen 0:00
Hey, welcome back …
Decisions, Decisions Part 2: Colleen Takes the Plunge
August 17th, 2021
Check out Hammerstone! http://hammerstone.dev/
Michele Hansen 0:00
Hey, welcome back to Software Social. This episode of Software Social is sponsored by Noko. https://nokotime.com/
When you’re bootstrapping on the …
Breaking 200
August 10th, 2021
Buy Michele's book! https://deployempathy.com/
Michele Hansen 0:00
Hey, welcome back to Software Social. This episode of Software Social is sponsored by Noko. https://nokotime.com/
When you’re bootstrapping on the …
Decisions, Decisions
August 3rd, 2021
Buy Michele's book! deployempathy.com
Michele Hansen 0:00
Hey, welcome back to Software Social. This episode of Software Social is sponsored by Noko. When you're bootstrapping on the side, every free moment counts. But …
It's Happening!
July 27th, 2021
Buy Michele's book!
Paperback and Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/173744660X (or search Deploy Empathy on Amazon)
PDF/ePub: deployempathy.com/pdf
Michele Hansen 0:00
This episode of Software Social is sponsored by …
When Is It Time to Move On?
July 20th, 2021
Michele Hansen 0:00
This episode of Software Social is sponsored by Orbit. Orbit is mission control for your community, grow and measure your …
Growing an Early Stage SaaS: A Conversation with SavvyCal Founder Derrick Reimer
July 13th, 2021
Follow Derrick on Twitter: https://twitter.com/derrickreimer
Check out SavvyCal (which Michele uses and loves, btw): https://savvycal.com/
Colleen …
Shutting Down and Opening Up: A Conversation with Marie Poulin, Creator of Notion Mastery
July 6th, 2021
Pre-order Michele's book on talking to customers! https://deployempathy.com/order
Marie's course, Notion Mastery: https://notionmastery.com/
Marie's …
Getting Started with Customer Interviews: A Conversation with Nicole Baldinu, Co-Founder and COO of WebinarNinja
June 29th, 2021
Pre-order Michele's book! https://deployempathy.com/order
Follow Nicole on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NicoleBaldinu
Michele Hansen 00:00
Welcome …
Holy Forking Sportsballs
June 22nd, 2021
Pre-order Michele's book on talking to customers! https://deployempathy.com/order
Michele Hansen 00:00
Welcome back to Software Social. This episode is sponsored by Fathom Analytics.
Fathom is trusted by thousands of …
Sympathy, Empathy, and Solving Problems
June 15th, 2021
Pre-order Michele's book! deployempathy.com/order/
Michele Hansen 00:00
Welcome back to Software Social. This episode is sponsored by the website …
Michele's First Numbers Update
June 8th, 2021
Michele Hansen 00:00
Welcome back to Software Social. This episode is sponsored by the website monitoring tool, Oh Dear.
If you've listened to this …
The Real Life Episode
May 25th, 2021
Michele Hansen 00:00
Welcome back to Software Social. This episode is sponsored by the website monitoring tool, Oh Dear. We recently refreshed the …
Real Internet Money
May 11th, 2021
Colleen Schnettler 00:00
This week's episode of the Software Social Podcast is brought to you by Hopscotch Product Tours. Hopscotch Product Tours …
Surprises
April 27th, 2021
Colleen Schnettler 00:00
This week's episode of the Software Social Podcast is brought to you by Hopscotch Product Tours. Hopscotch Product Tours …
Customer Interview Part 2: The Debrief
March 23rd, 2021
Listen to The Customer Interview: Part 1 https://softwaresocial.dev/episodes/customer-interview-part-1-the-interview
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
The …
Communication, Empathy, and Flexibility
March 9th, 2021
Get Michele's free newsletter on customer research: https://www.getrevue.co/profile/mjwhansen
Michele Hansen 0:00
The following message is brought …
MicroConf On Air + Software Social Crossover
March 5th, 2021
Transcript below. Watch the video: https://youtu.be/cfeXNzWwAEc
The hosts of the SaaS Podcast Award nominated Software Social Podcast join Rob to chat about all things SaaS, early stage marketing strategies, and more. …
First on Google
February 9th, 2021
Link to the marketing to developers article Colleen mentioned
Michele Hansen 0:01
The following message is brought to you by Balsamiq. Balsamiq …
What to Work On Next
January 19th, 2021
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
This episode of Software Social is sponsored by Balsamiq, makers of Balsamiq Wireframes, everyone's favorite low-fidelity …
Wading Through Feature Requests
January 12th, 2021
Michele Hansen 0:00
So Colleen, you launched your new SaaS -- actually your first SaaS -- about a month ago, Simple File Upload. And you launched …
Getting People to Reply to Those Critical Early Feedback Emails
January 5th, 2021
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
Hey listeners, Colleen here. This week I lead off discussing the positive uptick in my signup numbers, tempered by the fact …
Competing with Huge Companies as a Bootstrapper
December 29th, 2020
Michele Hansen 0:02
So you remember a couple weeks ago how we were talking about competitors nipping at our heels?
Colleen Schnettler 0:07
Yes.
…
Getting Really Excited
December 22nd, 2020
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
Welcome to Software Social. I'm Colleen. This week, Michele and I discuss my progress getting my first product, a file …
When Competitors Are Nipping At Your Heels
December 15th, 2020
Michele Hansen 0:00
So we had kind of a wake up call this week.
Colleen Schnettler 0:04
Oh, what happened?
Michele Hansen 0:07
So we're looking …
Workshopping User Onboarding Problems
December 8th, 2020
VOTE FOR US! SaaSPodcastAwards.com
Colleen's Heroku landing page: https://elements.heroku.com/addons/simple-file-upload
Michele Hansen 0:00
So I got …
Snowballing One Project Into Another
December 1st, 2020
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
So Michelle, I saw that you recently published a blog post a little bit about the founding of your company. And I haven't …
Choosing a Pricing Model
November 24th, 2020
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
So one of the things I kind of wanted to talk about was a few weeks ago on the podcast, I sat here and I told you that what …
Raising and Setting Prices
November 17th, 2020
Colleen Schnettler
Hey Software Social listeners! Colleen here. For their first time ever, MicroConf is putting on a SaaS podcast awards. Michele and …
Who's the villain?
November 10th, 2020
Michele Hansen 0:01
Can I ask you an honest question?
Colleen Schnettler 0:03
Of course, I love honest questions.
Michele Hansen 0:05
Did you …
Founder/Business/Lifecycle Fit (aka "The Feelings Episode")
November 3rd, 2020
Michele Hansen 0:00
So last week, Colleen, you said something to me that really seemed to resonate and jump out at a lot of our listeners. And that …
Vendor Lock-In, Heroes, and Timezones
October 27th, 2020
Colleen Schnettler 0:00
So for those who are just joining us, I am in the process of building my first software business.
It is a small software …
Health Insurance for Bootstrappers
October 20th, 2020
GUIDE: Michele wrote an in-depth companion guide for this episode. Read a more thorough rundown of the different health insurance options.
Michele Hansen 0:00
Remember how a couple weeks ago, you were saying, you're …
Bootstrapping a Company to 130 Employees
October 13th, 2020
Michele Hansen 0:00
Hey, welcome back to Software Social. I'm Michele Hansen.
Colleen Schnettler 0:04
And I'm Colleen Schnettler.
Michelle Penczak
…
Documentation as SEO, SEO as Documentation
October 6th, 2020
Michele Hansen 0:00
Welcome back to Software Social. I'm Michele Hansen.
Colleen Schnettler 0:03
And I'm Colleen Schnettler.
Michele Hansen 0:06
…
Something Boring, Something True, Something Alluring, Something New
September 29th, 2020
Michele Hansen 0:00
Welcome back to Software Social. I'm Michele Hansen.
Colleen Schnettler 0:03
And I'm Colleen Schnettler.
Michele Hansen
Hey, …
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