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Sends And Suffers

79 EpisodesProduced by Mario Stanley | Plug Tone AudioWebsite

Join Mario Stanley as he interviews the adventurous people that live in our adventure community. Explore the stories of their sending and suffering that has brought them to where they are today.

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EP–75 Building a Narrative and Shifting the Climbing Industry with Paula Horwitz

November 22nd, 2023


In this episode, host and guest Paula Horwitz discuss her role as the executive director of the Climbing Wall Association. Paula shares her …

EP–74 ”The Intersection of Self-Awareness and Decision-Making in Climbing” with Marcus Garcia

November 15th, 2023


In this podcast episode, Marcus Garcia, a longtime climber and mentor, discusses the importance of mentorship in the climbing community. He shares his own journey in climbing, starting in Texas and eventually settling …

EP–73 Saving New Jersey’s hometown climbing gym

November 8th, 2023


In this episode of the Sons and Suffers podcast, host Joyce Hayter shares her journey of becoming a gym owner and her connection to CWA (Climbing Wall Association). Joyce talks about her experience taking over the New …

EP–72 Pittsburgh is the best underrated Climbing city in America!

November 1st, 2023


In this episode, host Mario sits down with Alex Bernstein, owner of Ascend Climbing Gym in Pittsburgh. They discuss the origins of climbing in the city, the unique urban climbing initiatives taking place, and the …

EP–71 Finding Health, Happiness, and Success Through Climbing with Karl

October 4th, 2023


In this episode, the host sits down with Karl, who has a long and illustrious connection to the outdoors and rock climbing. Karl shares his background, starting rock climbing at a young age and eventually starting their …

EP–70 Finding Balance and Joy in the Climbing Industry with Taylor Fragomeni

September 28th, 2023


In this episode of Sends and Suffers podcast, host Mario Stanley welcomes Taylor Fragomeni, an online climbing coach and rock climber, to the show. Recorded at the International Climbers Festival, the two …

EP–69 Alan Watts the Godfather of American sport climbing and his Journey

September 20th, 2023


In this Sends and Suffers podcast episode, host Mario Stanley introduces Mr. Alan Watts, a legendary sports climbing community figure. Known as the godfather of sport climbing in America, Watts's love for rock climbing …

EP – 68 Mario getting to Know Jacar: An Instant Friendship

August 2nd, 2023


In this episode of Sends and Suffers podcast, host Mario Stanley welcomes guest Jakar. They discuss their friendship and spending time together in Dallas. Mario also shares information about the podcast's sponsor, …

EP – 67 ”Extreme Sports and Adventure with Franky Morales”

July 19th, 2023


Episode 67: Paradigm Shift in Rock Climbing and Rollerblading | Frankie Morales

In this episode, we dive into a paradigm shift in the world of rock …

EP – 66 Mario and Chris Broaching Difficult Topics: Men Talking About Feelings

July 12th, 2023


In this episode of Sends and Suffers podcast, host Mario Stanley welcomes Chris Mitchell as the guest. Chris, who started off as an Instagram friend and quickly became a close friend, joins Mario to discuss their time …

EP 65 – Daniel & Mario: The Three Kinds of Personal Capital: Physical, Mental, and Emotional

July 5th, 2023


In this episode, Daniel Pellain, a climber from Tulsa, Oklahoma, shares his love for the outdoors and his passion for climbing. He talks about how …

EP 64 – Daniel & Mario breaking the Norm: Men Opening Up About Emotions

June 28th, 2023


In this episode, Daniel Pellain, a climber from Tulsa, Oklahoma, shares his love for the outdoors and his passion for climbing. He talks about how …

EP 63— Part II of farewell tribute to Summit Dallas | Eddie Paige and Mario

June 14th, 2023


We pay tribute to Summit Dallas, a gym that revolutionized rock climbing in the DFW area. The episode features Paige Martinez, who has worked for …

EP 62— Part I of farewell tribute to Summit Dallas | Eddie Paige and Mario

June 7th, 2023


In this Sends and Suffers episode, we pay tribute to Summit Dallas, a gym that changed rock climbing in DFW. The episode features two guests, Paige Martinez and Eddie Funtanilla, who share their connections to rock …

Ep 61— Veronica Baker on the Transformative Power of Climbing

May 31st, 2023


In this episode, Veronica Baker, the Executive Director of Global Climbing Initiative, joins Mario while at CWA to discuss her love for climbing and the importance of GCI. She shares her journey of discovering the …

EP 60 - A Movement, Not a Moment: Supporting Positive Community Change in Skiing and Snowboarding

May 24th, 2023


This episode delves into inclusivity in the outdoor industry. We explain that inclusivity means having a diverse range of ethnicities, genders, orientations, and perspectives, which leads to a broader perspective and …

EP 59 — My Time at Red Bull’s Mosaic session. It was a gathering of the justice league of outdoor sports

May 10th, 2023


EP 59 —  My Time at Red Bull's  Mosaic session. It was a gathering of the justice league of Outdoor sports

EP 56 — Michelle Patten is a para climbing national champion, head coach of Go Beyond Climbing and a Texas legend

April 12th, 2023


EP 56 — Michelle Patten is a para climbing national champion, head coach of Go Beyond Climbing, and a Texas legend

Ep 45 - Craig Demartino is a para-climber that facilitates, climbing for veterans and other adaptive athletes in Puerto Rico and the US mainland. Part...

December 14th, 2022


Craig Demartino lost his leg in a climbing accident one would we think this traumatic experience would make you stop climbing. However, Craig has …

Ep 44 - Craig Demartino is a para-climber that facilitates, climbing for veterans and other adaptive athletes in Puerto Rico and the US mainland. Part...

December 7th, 2022


Craig Demartino lost his leg in a climbing accident one would we think this traumatic experience would make you stop climbing. However, Craig has …

EP 43 - New Orleans has the tightest climbing community in the USA

November 9th, 2022


A few summers ago I decided to take a road trip and spend some time in New Orleans. Amazing food amazing culture edit who would’ve guess one of the …

EP 42 - Oakley Boycott - A Lander WY local running for public office and a friend to the climbing community.

October 26th, 2022


Oakley Boycott a Lander WY local running for public office and a friend to the climbing community. We met during my time at the international climbers festival which is an amazing event along with many others I'm …

EP 41 - Alexa & Mario - Wrap up of LBGTQ+ series

October 19th, 2022


Alexa and I bond and share our thoughts over some special moments NRLBGTQ plus series take over.

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EP 40 - Alexa & Mario talk about the growth that has come doing this collaboration.

October 12th, 2022


Alexa & Mario takes a moment to recap about moments they've grown from in doing this collaboration. Next, you hear some recap on some favorite …

EP 39 - Nikki & Mario talk about her journey through life and in climbing and some of the suffering and sending that has brought her to be the champio...

August 25th, 2022


I am absolutely honored to have the opportunity to speak with Nikki Smith, she is single-handedly one of the most well-known individuals in the …

EP 38 - Alexa & Nikki talk about what it’s like being trans women in the climbing community.

August 20th, 2022


Nikki Smith (she/her) is a climber, photographer, athlete, and much more, all while being an inspiration to me and so many other trans climbers out there. I had this conversation with Nikki at the Flash Foxy Climbing …

EP 37 - Cat & I discuss the importance of being vulnerable and showing up for underrepresented communities.

August 10th, 2022


Cat Runner (he/him) is a climber, artist, photographer, and founder of the Climbers Network. I had this conversation with Cat at the Flash Foxy Climbing festival in March 2022. We talk about: transitioning as a teen in …

EP 36 - Alexa & Anaheed - Anaheed shares the importance of community and creating a safe space for people like them with Belay All.

August 1st, 2022


Anaheed Saatchi (they/them) is a writer, climber, organizer of Belay All, and an incredible human being. I had this talk with Anaheed in April 2021. We laugh and talk about: being a late bloomer, the struggles of being …

EP 35 - Alexa and Claire talk about getting cool, Claire talks about ice climbing and what it’s like climbing while being trans.

July 29th, 2022


Claire Larson (she/her) is a Mountain Athlete, Scarpa AMI Alumni & Peer Mentor, All In Ice Fest Participant Coordinator, who also happens to be a trans woman. I had this talk with Claire in April 2021. We talk about …

EP 34 - Alexa & Sam - Samuel Crossley is one of the most talented filmmakers & photographers in the outdoor industry. Two creatives talk about climbin...

July 1st, 2022


Samuel Crossley (he/they) is a talented filmmaker, photographer, and one of the first creatives I discovered when I started climbing. I had this conversation with Sam in March 2021. We talk about climbing, homophobia, …

Ep 32 - Thea Wulff & Sienna Kopf - The struggles of being a female pro climber and balancing having a life too

May 9th, 2022

Thea and Cece are some of the most notable climbers in the competitive circuit. Last year, in Salt Lake City, I had the privilege to talk with these two amazing ladies. We discussed the realities of being a high-level …

Ep 31 - Wild Bill - A Down hill ski coach and a climbing coach talk shop

February 23rd, 2022


When Wild Bill and I first met, it was bromance at first sight. I was lured in by his illustrious mustache, and then his personality sealed the deal once we got talking. Wild Bill is a downhill ski youth program coach …

Ep 30 - Ellis Whitson - ”Climbing Spray wall” what are they and the science behind them

January 25th, 2022


Ellis Whitson started coaching and climbing well over a decade ago. In that time, he cultivated the skills as a routesetter, national and …

Ep 29 - Jeff Jackson - One of the ”The Texas Legends” and a pioneer in the climbing community

November 10th, 2021


This episode is with a Texas-born legend whom I greatly admire. Jeff Jackson is one of the most prolific route developers in American history. He has …

Ep 28 - David Gurman and Kaya Climbing - A rock climber, design entrepreneur, data artist, and TED speaker/fellow who is make climbing better.

November 4th, 2021


David Gurman is a rock climber, design entrepreneur, data artist, and TED speaker/fellow. With twenty-five years of climbing, he has been present for some pivotal moments of climbing history and development. Currently, …

EP 27 - Tyler Nelson - Take a moment to talk to Tyler about what drives him.

September 21st, 2021


If you enjoyed the episode please click the button that lets you follow and subscribe. By liking this podcast and sharing it you help us grow don't …

Ep 26 - Charles Ayoub - ”Van Life” Everything you could ever want to know about building in living in a van full-time.

September 10th, 2021


Charles Ayoub went from gym climber to living in a van full-time to starting his own company, Tiny Nomad Conversions. His company assists people in …

Ep 25 - unplugging from the matrix - Kris Hampton, Devin Dabney and Mario Stanley talk about maintaining relationship with your creative muse.

August 12th, 2021


In this episode Devin, Kris, and Mario talk about the creative process and how they unplug from the matrix so they can plug back in to bring the content that you all know, love, and enjoy. This episode is simply three …

Ep 24 - Boone Speed - has shaped every part of climbing. He created ads for big brands, help start one the most significant climbing hold companies in...

July 26th, 2021


Boone Speed has shaped every facet of climbing. He has created ads for big brands, started one of the most significant climbing hold companies …

Real talk about Juneteenth - I share my thoughts, feelings and when I wrestle with on Juneteenth.

June 20th, 2021


I've been wrestling with this for a few days so here's the real talk solo track number two I don't do this often or maybe not often enough.

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Ep 23 - Dr. Len Necefer - We talk about how tribal communities view climbing and the United States at large and have a navigate these relationships

June 17th, 2021


Dr. Len Necefer is a member of the Navajo Nation and the founder of NativesOutdoors. This outdoor company works with indigenous artists and athletes to create gear that supports outdoor recreation on tribal lands. Len …

Ep 22 - Marina Inoue - has a love for climbing the size of Texas, we talk about current events and how climbers are uniquely qualified to tackle the p...

May 25th, 2021


Sends and Suffers fam, allow me to introduce you to Marina Inoue. This tiny, tattooed, 5’2 stick of dynamite entered the climbing game “late”, picking up the sport at 26. But that hasn’t stopped this powerhouse from …

A GRANT FOR CHANGE - Brought to you by Kris Hampton

May 11th, 2021



This is a great opportunity for those of you that know me personally I don't BS about opportunities that come your way. We are all trying to change the world to make it a better place but my …

Ep 21 - John Brosler - A Texas legend in the art of speed climbing, we talk about his life as a professional Climber

May 4th, 2021


As a summer camper, John Brosler started climbing at Summit Carrollton (then Exposure). He became a member of the powerhouse youth climbing team, …

Ep 20 - Beats, Rhymes and Life - Devin Dabney, Kris Hampton, and I reminiscing about the soundtracks that influenced how we grew up, where we came fro...

March 21st, 2021


Devin Dabney, Kris Hampton, and I reminiscing about the soundtracks that influenced how we grew up, where we came from and who we are now. As we trip through our favorite jams, we also raise some serious questions about …

Ep 19 - Moab and Dirtbaggers - My first time at the Creek and the beautiful, wonderful, lovable dirt baggers I met along the way

February 16th, 2021


Meet Daniel, Kiera, and Nelson, three “dirt-baggers” living life full-time on the road. For these guys, home is a vehicle parked under wide-open …

Ep 18 - Jacob D. Bach - an accomplished climber and Coach and proud member of LGBTQ+ community we talk about how he navigate being a coach and climber...

January 26th, 2021


Jacob D. Bach is a Milwaukee-based climbing coach, passionate LGBTQ activist, outdoor guide, and talented performer. In today's episode, Jacob and I talk about diversity, respect, and acceptance in the outdoor industry. …

Ep 17 - Kris Hampton - Dr. Dre of rock climbing and I talk about our experiences and our lives in this thing that we love so dearly call the climbing ...

January 12th, 2021


Today's episode is with self-made coach Kris Hampton, aka the Dr. Dre of Rock Climbing. Kris is the founder and coach of The Power Company and writes training plans for thousands of climbers around the world. He sent …

Real Talk with Mario Stanley

January 7th, 2021


This is in response to the event on Jan 6, 2021. I could sleep without putting this out there, thisisn't new and we have a long way to go but …

Ep 16 - Nina Williams - A world renowned climber talks about her life as a professional climber and sending and suffering that is happening along the ...

December 22nd, 2020


Ever wonder what it’s like to send a 55ft boulder… with no rope? My next guest would know. Epic high-baller, aspiring trad climber, and overall …

Ep - 15 Madison Stueve - our host Mario is interviewed by Madison to have a deeper understanding of his personal journey through in climbing

December 8th, 2020


Ep -15 Madison Stueve

I meet @madisonstueveee a few years ago in Oklahoma at a @summitclimbingyogafitness at a @jcca.climbing youth comp and through a briefing conversation, one can tell that she thinks on a deeper …

Ep 14 - Justin Partin - EMT flight medic, a climbing Texas legend and being a new parent is a lot to balance while still chasing after you’re climbing...

November 24th, 2020


If you have been on this earth for a while, you know that not all heroes wear capes. My guest is the man among mere mortals, aka the rest of us. Justin Partin is a badass climber who works in search and rescue, and the …

Ep 12 - Albert OK - youTuber, speed climber, informer climbing coach and current homey and I talk about how he got to where he is today

October 19th, 2020


Hey Sends and Suffer family! My guy Albert is one of the killers is a straight killing in this underground hustle game we call the "outdoor industry" If you don't know him, now you know and you welcome. I want to tell …

Ep 10 - Cody Bradford - accomplish mountain guide and a local celebrity at every climbing crag America.

September 14th, 2020


Welcome to the Sends And Suffers podcast. I am your host, Mario Stanley.

Sends And Suffers is all about type two fun. No matter how much suffering you endured on your journey, the send always outweighs the suffering. I …

Ep 9 - Lindsey Hamm - a Texas legend living in the Alpine we talk about Lindsey’s journey to becoming a professional mountain guide

August 31st, 2020


Introducing the @Hamminator aka Lindsey Hamm.

The organization that Lindsey mentioned: - @UIAAmountains

American Medical Group Association - - @amga1979 The people that

Lindsey …

Ep 8 - Devin Dabney - and I talk about our past, present and future. This conversation is a beautiful introduction to two men who won the absolute bes...

August 20th, 2020


Show note:

This episode is a little out of place Devin and I had spoken before and that conversation with coming soon. Now I want to let you be fly’s on the wall, and listen to two brothers talk about being in the …

Ep 7 - The boyz in Mukuntuweap National Park - Cameron, Tucker are some on my best belaytionship. we are recap our adventures in Zion national Park

August 3rd, 2020


Show note:
Mukuntuweap (Zion) National Park 
Routes we talk about:
The Megamahedral
Kung fu fighter
Led by sheep
Toilet crack 
Cameron Vernier -
Tucker Douglas -

Ep 5 - Tiffany Hensley - is an accomplishes athlete follows her for her passion for climbing believes her around the world. Part 1

July 21st, 2020


Sends and Suffers Podcast is a show about the ups and downs that come with every adventure and the adventure that daily life can bring to use. My goal on the show is to talk about the most recent or memorable adventure …

Ep 4 - Taylor Turman - ”Remember to clip in” how to come back to climbing after 30ft fall to the ground

July 15th, 2020


Taylor Turman is local to the Fort Worth, Texas climbing community. Right when Taylor started getting good, she took a 30+ ft. fall and suffered some injuries. I was the first responder on the scene and am stoked she …

Ep 3 - Andrés Macedo - is adventures in El Potrero Chico Mexico and how he prepared to climb “Will the Wolf Survive?”

July 15th, 2020


Today’s guest is Andres Macedo, a Dallas local hardman, gentle giant, and current client. He told me about an outdoor project - “Will the Wolf …

Ep 2 - Jenny Smith - Her experiences and lessons form her first season of outdoor climbing

July 15th, 2020


Today’s episode is with Jenny Smith, a climbing partner, a friend of mine, and a badass woman. She is one of the most tenacious climbers I have met. We talked about her first outdoor trips, which she went BIG on and …

Ep 1 - Malik Barton - What outdoor climbing has taught him and how our friendship begin

July 15th, 2020


Hello and Welcome to Sends And Suffers Podcast!

To kick off the podcast, meet my good friend Malik Barton. He’s a fellow coach who is an all-around killer climber. The Texas climbing community benefits from his …

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