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Seeing Color

84 EpisodesProduced by Zhiwan CheungWebsite

Seeing Color is a podcast that talks with cultural workers and artists of color in order to expand the area of what is a predominantly white space in the arts. With discussions shifting between art and race, Zhiwan Cheung hashes out with guests a range of topics about the creative process in a white… read more

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Episode 81: Accidental Arts Administrator (w/ Ashanti McGee)

November 23rd, 2021


Hi everyone. Hope you are well. It is hard to imagine how time is flying…it has been just about over a year since I landed in China since the pandemic started. Now this past week I just had an exhibition opening which …

Episode 80: Optimist At Heart (w/ Tiffany Lin)

November 9th, 2021


Hello everyone. How are you all doing? I am in the midst of installing my show in Zhuhai. It is mostly done and I can't wait to be able to get some rest after the opening, which by the way is this coming Saturday, …

Episode 79: Two Matching Cups (w/ Jennifer Kleven)

October 26th, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing well. I’ve been quite busy lately and don’t know where the time is going. Everything seems like a haze. The teaching and art are going well. Everything humming along as usual. For this …

Episode 78: Forgotten Cities (w/ Nathalie Sánchez)

October 12th, 2021


Hey y'all. Good morning and evening to all my listeners. Not much new with me. Just overall working a lot and juggling many different projects in life, as all of us are. But enough about me. Let's get to this week's …

Episode 77: We Don’t Dance For Money (w/ Fawn Douglas)

September 28th, 2021


Hey everyone. I hope you are all doing well as the fall comes full force. Things have been busy for me. I’ve been in the midst of completing three …

Episode 76: Finding Meaning Afterwards (w/ Sapira Cheuk)

September 14th, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are well. I’ve been feeling quite busy these past few days. Everything seems to be moving too fast. Maybe I’m just getting …

Episode 75: Poems For the Lonely Pringle (w/ Vogue Robinson)

August 31st, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are well. I've been getting ready for the new semester and just saw this Netflix show called The Chair in preparation, which makes fun of academia. Obviously, there were many parts made for …

Episode 74: Movement, Performance, and Amigxs (w/ Camilo Godoy)

August 17th, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are well wherever you are as we are mid-way through August. Summer seems to have come and gone. At least it has for me. I have been mostly preparing for my classes in the fall and for a show I'll …

Episode 73: Black Cowboys (w/ Brent Holmes)

August 3rd, 2021


Hey everyone. Hope you are doing well. I just finalized a 4-channel video during my time in Shanghai and had a chance to exhibit it to the local art community. I am currently preparing to leave back to Zhuhai in a bit. …

Episode 72: Establishing Existence (w/ Erica Hector Vital-Lazare)

July 20th, 2021


Hey everyone. Happy Tuesday. We are in the midst of summer and time is going by quite quickly. I've been spending some time in the quiet suburbs of Shanghai before heading back to Zhuhai. There's a small but strong …

Episode 71: Duplicate Dichotomy (w/ Shahab Zargari)

July 6th, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing well wherever you are. As I mentioned previously, I am currently part of the Rogers Art Loft residency in Las Vegas and they have been putting me in touch with the local community and …

Episode 70: Anti-monuments (w/ Yvette Mayorga)

June 22nd, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing well. I have been working quite a bit the past few weeks. I did a quick virtual artist talk with my good friend, Justin Favela, for the Rogers Art Loft virtual residency I am currently …

Episode 69: Welcoming the Unfolding (w/ Dr. Jeffreen M. Hayes)

June 8th, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing well wherever you are. I just started my virtual residency at Rogers Art Loft, where I will be interviewing local …

Episode 68: Mother Tongue (w/ Dan S. Wang)

May 25th, 2021


Hey everyone. I hope you are well. I got my first vaccine shot. Hoping to get my second in a few weeks. I also have been traveling through parts of southern China and trying to grasp the art scene more. My students just …

Episode 67: Laying Down Fully (w/ Addoley Dzegede)

May 11th, 2021


Hi everyone. Hope you are doing well. Things are okay so far on my end. School is ending soon and the temperature is getting hot and humid very …

Episode 66: Asking Better Questions (w/ Dr. Yewande Pearse)

April 27th, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing well wherever you are. The George Flyod trial finally finished up and I feel institutions are already forgetting how much more work there needs to be done. As always, the question is …

Episode 65: Diversity and Equity (w/ Noé Gaytán)

April 13th, 2021


Born and raised in Southern California, Noé developed his passion for art education working at the Skirball Cultural Center and Armory Center for the …

Episode 64: Hmong Blues (w/ Khaty Xiong)

March 30th, 2021


Hey everyone. I hope you are well. It has been crazy this past week with all the mass shootings that has been happening in the US. I don't have much to add other than what a previous guest of this show, Tereneh Idia, …

Episode 63: Professional Development (w/ Jeffrey Augustine Songco)

March 16th, 2021


Hi everyone. As usual, I hope you are doing well wherever you are. I went to Guangzhou this past weekend and visited a few locations where my family lived. I have some new ideas jumping around in my head and maybe will …

Episode 62: Interlockingness of Stories (w/ Jen Liu)

March 2nd, 2021


Hey everyone. Hope you are doing well. The Lunar New Year came and went without much trouble and teaching started back up at my university. Over the break, I caught up on some work, cooked a bit, and read some books. I …

Episode 61: New Neutrality (w/ Lyndon Barrois Jr.)

February 16th, 2021


Hey everyone. Happy Lunar New Year. I wish you good luck and hope lots of fortune befalls upon you this coming year. It is the year of the ox and …

Episode 60: Reparations as Failure (w/ Ilana Harris-Babou)

February 2nd, 2021


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing ok this winter season wherever you are. The Corona virus keeps mutating and vaccines are coming in too slowly so I wish you the best in whatever situation you are in. I am currently on …

Episode 59: What Feels Meaningful Right Now (w/ Maree ReMalia)

January 19th, 2021


Hey everyone! Wow...what a month. Since my last episode, I had to wrap up my university classes around New Years, got a bit busy grading, and thought …

Episode 58: Pirate Futurism (w/ Weston Teyura)

December 22nd, 2020


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing well and somewhat prepared for the new year. For me, classes are winding down and I am looking forward to spending more time editing some videos in the backlog. But as the year comes to …

Episode 57: Don't forget my change (w/ Angelique Scott)

December 8th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope you are doing well and safe. I'm doing okay. I just found a new apartment since my lease was not renewed at my last place. Everything is moved in and now I am slowly unpacking. Otherwise, I am just …

Episode 56: Choreography and Ghosts (w/ Yon Natalie Mik)

November 24th, 2020


Hi everyone. I hope you are safe wherever you are. I am currently back in Zhuhai and settling down. I still have quite a lot to do such as unpacking …

Episode 55: Vulnerability Will Connect You (w/ Marcus Scott Williams)

November 10th, 2020


Hey everyone. It has definitely been a crazy week and it seems things are turning out ok. It was four days of election news and uncertainty, but there is some sort of clarity now. I feel some kind of hope, in spite of …

Episode 54: Two Years Anniversary #3 (w/ Carol Zou)

October 20th, 2020


Hey y'all. I hope your week is going well. This is the last episode where I revisit a previous guest to cap off my two year anniversary of this podcast. Sometimes, I wonder who I am celebrating this with and who is …

Episode 53: Two Years Anniversary #2 (w/ Justin Favela)

October 13th, 2020


Hey everyone. Thanks for tuning in to round 2 of the special two-year anniversary edition where I revisit three past guest of the show. Last week, I talked with Tereneh Idia, an internationally based fashion designer, …

Episode 52: Two Years Anniversary #1 (w/ Tereneh Idia)

October 6th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope you are well. The news is going more crazy with each passing day, although I think we have a new definition for the words karma and irony in relation to the current US state of affairs. I finally …

Episode 51: I Am Not A Fortune Cookie (w/ Vicky Truong)

September 22nd, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope you are all doing ok. The recent passing of Ruth Bader Ginsburg is bringing up a lot of complicated feelings for me, as I am sure it is for many people. Of course, we must remember the shift in …

Episode 50: Pause for Feelings (w/ Almaz Wilson)

September 8th, 2020


Hi everyone. I hope you are doing well wherever you are. I don't have too much new to report. But for today, I have a great episode with Almaz Wilson, an artist I met back in January while I was at Vermont Studio …

Episode 49: Festival of Air (w/ Emily Lu)

August 25th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope you are doing well. I have had a lot of things on my mind lately, the future of this podcast being one of them, not to mention the futures of the myriad of other responsibilities in life. I have …

Episode 48: Haiti Does Not Have The Copyright To Tragedy (w/ Jean-Ulrick Désert)

August 11th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope all is well with y'all as this new normal of COVID-19 is settling in. I don't have too much news...still awaiting returning to China and still not sure I can be physically there by the fall …

Episode 47: Knowing Your Self-Worth (w/ Celeste Smith)

July 28th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope you are doing well. I am trying to enjoy the summer the best I can by avoiding groups of people. I have been doing a lot of reading these past few weeks, which has been nice. I also spoke with …

Episode 46: A Space Where Gravity Is Legible (w/ Didier William)

July 14th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope you are doing well and staying safe. I don't have too much news to share these days. It seems like this whole virus situation is …

Episode 45: The Struggle Is Continuous (w/ Sonja John)

June 30th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope y'all are hanging in there. I hope everyone is maintaining social distancing if you can and staying safe and healthy in the mind and body. It took me a bit to start back up with editing the …

[Bonus] Some Thoughts and Updates

June 23rd, 2020


Hey everyone. I have a brief update to share about the show and some thoughts in light of the recent events. But before I do, I want to say loudly and clearly that Black Lives Matter. As an Asian-American, I think about …

Episode 44: Being There There Being (w/ Devin Kenny)

June 2nd, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is doing okay. These are really sad and frustrating times with the recent deaths of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade, and the many others that did not get the …

Episode 43: Rhizomatic Collectivism (w/ Rosalia Namsai Engchuan)

May 19th, 2020


Hey everyone. Summer is soon to be upon us, although the future seems slightly less joyous. I keep releasing these episodes but I do wonder what exactly they are doing in contrast to these times affected by COVID-19. I …

Episode 42: What's More American Than Slavery (w/ Dell Marie Hamilton)

May 5th, 2020


Hi everyone. I hope you are staying safe, healthy, and sane in these strange time. Today is another week of quarantining and it seems states and countries are slowly opening up but I don't know if that is the best idea …

Episode 41: The Space In Between (w/ Valery Jung Estabrook)

April 21st, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is staying safe and healthy. Spring time has arrived and I've been trying to enjoy walks in the woods. Otherwise, I am teaching art classes remotely and wondering about the future, as I am …

Episode 40: No More Handshakes (w/ Joy-Marie Thompson)

April 7th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is doing well in these crazy times. I don't have too much news on my end. Every Sunday night to Tuesday morning I teach my students in China, but otherwise I've been reading a lot and …

Episode 39: Citizenship For Paradise (w/ Jova Lynne)

March 24th, 2020


Hello everyone. I hope everyone is doubly and triply well today. The world has gone crazy and I am wishing that everyone is making it through this …

Episode 38: No Such Thing As Postcolonial (w/ Rhea Ramjohn)

March 10th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is well. Not much new is going on with me. I've been just slowly adjusting my sleep schedule and teaching my students …

Episode 37: Poetry Under Pressure (w/ Jo Elizabeth Stewart)

February 25th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is staying safe. My school in China has currently moved to online teaching for the foreseeable future as no one knows …

Episode 36: Language and Place(w/ Diana Lee)

February 11th, 2020


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is doing well. My life has been a bit hectic the past few weeks. I was living in Vermont finishing up my time at a …

[Bonus] Art People Pod

January 28th, 2020


Hello everyone. It has been a while and I hope everyone is taking care of themselves properly this winter season. I feel bad having taken such a long break but I had been traveling quite a bit and then my computer …

Episode 35: Asian Masculities (w/ Sarnt Utamachote)

December 10th, 2019


Hey everyone. I hope you are doing well. The weather has changed slightly here in feels like LA at the moment, although not a dry. I've been recently falling in love with the tropical breeze here. I am still …

Episode 34: Movies and Zines (w/ Sophia Zarders)

November 26th, 2019


Hey everyone. Another two weeks has gone by and a new episode is here for you. I don't have too much new going on at the moment. Next week I'll be going on a trip to Xi'an with my Chinese class. I'm excited to see the …

Episode 33: Information Is Liberation (w/ Femi Oyewole)

November 12th, 2019


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is well. Classes are past the halfway point and I am starting to think about my winter plans. There are a few places I want to visit in China. This past weekend, I was happy to see my …

Episode 32: Failing Fast (w/ Natalia Gomez)

October 29th, 2019


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is enjoying fall. The weather in Zhuhai is finally not unbearably hot and sticky. I have been trying my best to learn Chinese and it is kicking my ass, although I notice I am easing in it a …

Episode 31: So, Barack Obama (w/ Yvette Robertson)

October 15th, 2019


Hey everyone. Time is flying by and at the same time, I no longer have a good grasp of how long I've been in China. Last week was a haze as I flew out to Chicago to see my brother get married. I got to see my family …

Episode 30: Speaking to the Gaps aka One Year Anniversary Edition (w/ Billie Lee)

October 1st, 2019


Hello everyone. it's been a year since I launched this podcast. I am a bit shocked the podcast lasted this long. I still remember releasing my first episode with Justin Favela. I had just moved to Berlin and …

Episode 29: A Haunting of Geography (w/ Shannon Tamara Lewis)

September 17th, 2019


Hey everyone. I hope everyone is enjoying the end of summer. Things are going well in China. There is a lot to learn about the Chinese bureaucratic system as I try to get things done. There's always a sense of community …

Episode 28: The Thing Is Larger Than You (w/ Accra Shepp)

September 3rd, 2019


Hey everyone. It feels like it's been a while, but I finally made it into China. It was a very long and stressful flight until I was able to settle …

Episode 27: What Is Our Own Narrative (w/ Vanessa Vu)

August 20th, 2019


Hello everyone. Today I have some news to share with you followed by a very special episode. So I recently got a teaching/professorship opportunity …

Episode 26: Activisim, Advocacy, or Advertisement (w/ D.S. Kinsel)

August 6th, 2019


Hey y'all. Today I have a relatively short but special episode for you. I met up with Darrell Kinsel, also professionally known as D.S. Kinsel, at his project space, Boom Concepts. I first met Darrell just at the …

Episode 25: Relationships Are Complicated (w/ Christa Joo Hyun D'Angelo)

July 23rd, 2019


Hey all. In today's episode, I have a really intense conversation with the wonderful artist, Christa Joo Hyun D'Angelo. I first met Christa through …

Episode 24: The 360 Degree Rule (w/ Christiane Dolores)

July 9th, 2019


Hey y'all. I hope everyone is doing well. I don't have too much new news these days, although I have a whole bunch of interesting people I have lined …

Episode 23: I Didn't Want To Make Oriental Paintings (w/ Eugina Song)

June 25th, 2019


Hi everyone. I hope your week is going well. I spent the past week at Art Basel in Switzerland. I got free housing with an art friend, so shout out to Felipe Castelblanco, and I got some VIP tickets from a special …

Episode 22: I've Made It As A Pornstar At Least (w/ Tsohil Bhatia)

June 11th, 2019


Hey everyone. I hope you are enjoying the coming of summer. Everyone here in Berlin seems so much more happy biking around and drinking beers along the canal, as opposed to their usual grumpy German self. The sun has …

Episode 21: You Say More Through Your Body Than Paint On A Canvas (w/ Tara Fay)

May 27th, 2019


Hey everyone. On this episode, I have a special interview with Tara Fay. I think Tara’s instagram profile describes her best as an independent curator, performance artist, and streetwear enthusiast. Tara is also on the …

Episode 20: What Are You? (w/ Shohei Katayama)

May 14th, 2019


On this episode, I visited Shohei Katayama’s studio in Pittsburgh. Shohei received his B.A. in Studio Art from Bellarmine University in 2010 and is currently working towards his Master of Fine Arts at Carnegie Mellon …

Episode 19: If The Community Doesn’t Support Us We Don’t Deserve To Be Here (w/ Naomi Chambers)

April 30th, 2019


On this episode, I biked over to The Flower House, located in Wilkinsburg, a borough right next to Pittsburgh. The Flower House is a creative space …

Episode 18: A Clear Queer Path in The Arts (w/ José Carlos Diaz)

April 16th, 2019


On this episode, I went to the Andy Warhol Museum to meet up with José Carlos Diaz, the Chief Curator there. We used the office meeting rooms late …

Episode 17: We Have To Want More For Ourselves (w/ Staycee Pearl)

April 2nd, 2019


On this episode, I biked over to Staycee Pearl’s house to record this wonderful conversation. Staycee is the co-artistic director of PearlArts …

Episode 16: Diving Into Berlin’s Racist History (w/ Nine Yamamoto-Masson)

March 26th, 2019


On this episode, I took a long look at the complicated racial history in Germany with Nine Yamamoto-Masson. I was first introduced to Nine by Carol …

Episode 15: It’s More Than a Name (w/ Ching-chu Hu)

March 12th, 2019


On this episode, I hung out with Ching-chu Hu, a musician, composer, and dad of four beautiful children. I first met Ching-chu in Wyoming, through …

Episode 14: So Many Micro-Aggressions (w/ Njaimeh Njie)

February 26th, 2019


On this episode, I spoke with Njaimeh Njie, a photographer, filmmaker, and multimedia producer. Njaimeh grew up in Pittsburgh before heading to …

Episode 13: All I Had To Do Was Let Go And Fall Apart (w/ John Peña)

February 12th, 2019


On this episode, I headed over to John Peña’s house in Wilkinsburg to chat. I met John when I first arrived in Pittsburgh for graduate school and …

Episode 12: Self-Mythologizing (w/ Carol Zou)

January 29th, 2019


On this episode, my close friend Carol Zou visited me in Berlin and I was overjoyed to finally chat with Carol. I have known Carol since our time in …

Episode 11: Harmony (w/ Umar Rashid)

January 15th, 2019


Happy New Years everyone! I wish you had time for peace and reflection as we head into 2019. For this coming year, I am excited to release and share …

Episode 10: Rights of Opacity (w/ Ariel René Jackson)

January 1st, 2019


Happy holidays and New Years everyone! I hope you are enjoying this much needed time with friends and family. On this particular episode, I took a …

Episode 9: Grinding Work Into A Fine Hash (w/ Paul Peng)

December 18th, 2018


On this episode, I am excited to share with you the conversation I had with Paul Peng. Paul is an artist based in Pittsburgh who I met while we were …

Episode 8: We Are All Cute (w/ Tereneh Idia)

December 4th, 2018


On this episode, I had the pleasure of talking with Tereneh Idia, a designer and writer currently based in Pittsburgh, PA. Tereneh attended Drexel University before moving around Washington D.C., Baltimore, and New York …

Episode 7: Tears and Pizza (w/ Adil Mansoor)

November 20th, 2018


On this episode, I speak with Adil Mansoor, a theatre director and educator who’s work centers around the stories of queer folk and people of color. …

Episode 6: They Can Sure Enough Pronounce My Name (w/ Kilolo Luckett)

November 6th, 2018


Hey everyone and welcome back. For this episode, I meet up with Kilolo Luckett, an art historian, writer, cultural producer, and curator. She also …

Episode 5: The Myth of Sisyphus (w/ Yujin Lee)

October 23rd, 2018


On this episode, I met with Yujin Lee, an artist who works with video, drawing, and printmaking. Yujin is interested in microhistorical narratives …

Episode 4: Cry, Baby (w/ Devan Shimoyama)

October 16th, 2018


On this episode, I have the privilege of speaking with Devan Shimoyama, a wonderful artist and close friend. Devan grew up in Philadelphia and went …

Episode 3: Who Gets To Be Called International (w/ Sarika Goulatia)

October 9th, 2018


On this episode, I visit Sarika Goulatia in her studio, which was filled up to the ceiling with materials for her sculptures. Born in India, Sarika …

Episode 2: There Are Black People In The Future (w/ Alisha Wormsley)

October 2nd, 2018


On this episode, I sit down with Alisha Wormsley, an artist based in Pittsburgh who creates photos, sculpture, sound, and time-based work based on …

Episode 1: Launching Off with a Latino Who Lunches (w/ Justin Favela)

September 25th, 2018


On this episode, I sit down with Justin Favela, a Las Vegas based artist who also co-hosts the Latinos Who Lunch Podcast. Justin and I first met in Miami at a residency, where we bonded over pupusas, empanadas, and the …


September 11th, 2018


Hey everyone and welcome to my podcast, Seeing Color Pod. I am your host, Zhiwan Cheung. I am a Chinese-American artist who is still learning how to …

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