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Politics with Michelle Grattan

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Michelle Grattan, Chief Political Correspondent at The Conversation, talks politics with politicians and experts, from Capital Hill.

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two views on increasing the super contribution

November 25th, 2020

29:57

The increase in the compulsory superannuation contribution, legislated to rise next July from 9.5% to 10%, is being fiercely debated following the …

Defence expert Allan Behm on the background to the Brereton report

November 18th, 2020

23:30

The findings of the inquiry by Justice Paul Brereton into the misconduct – including allegations of murder of non-combatants and mistreatment of …

Joel Fitzgibbon on Labor climate policy and leadership

November 11th, 2020

22:28

Labor's Joel Fitzgibbon this week quit the frontbench, ensuring he'll become even more vocal in his campaign to have Labor's climate policy move to …

economist Danielle Wood on Australia’s ‘blokey’ budge

October 15th, 2020

16:49

In his budget reply, Anthony Albanese said women have suffered most during the pandemic, but were reduced to a footnote in the budget. He promised a …

a budget for a pandemic

October 8th, 2020

29:15

With the budget’s expected eye-watering debt and deficit numbers, the question remains whether the huge spending will be enough to fight the coronavirus slump.

Minister for Finance Mathias Cormann and Shadow Minister …

Chris Richardson on what Tuesday’s budget will and should do

September 30th, 2020

30:09

On Tuesday, the 2020 budget will be brought down. It will show a huge deficit for this financial year and massive government spending, aimed at promoting economic recovery and reducing unemployment. In the wake of …

New Zealand’s Helen Clark on the pandemic inquiry and avoiding election ‘cat fights

September 24th, 2020

27:33

On October 17, New Zealanders will head to the polls to vote in a general election and also on referendum questions for the legalisation of cannabis …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Angus Taylor on the 'gas-fired' recovery

September 16th, 2020

17:03

The Coalition is having yet another go at crafting an energy policy. Faced with the huge economic challenges presented by COVID, the government this …

Jodie McVernon on Melbourne’s modelling, a Covid vaccine, and the role of experts in a crisis

September 9th, 2020

31:05

In light of Victoria’s cautious roadmap out of lockdown, with some experts claiming the exit is too fast, and others believing it is unnecessarily slow, the modelling underpinning the decisions is under close scrutiny.

Chris Bowen on the recession, aged care and priorities for health policy

September 3rd, 2020

29:02

Had the 2019 election panned out differently, Chris Bowen would have been the treasurer coping with Australia's current economic crisis.

Instead, as …

Former Greens leader Richard Di Natale on COVID, climate and his successor

August 27th, 2020

21:42

In February, then Greens’ leader Richard Di Natale stepped down from the leadership after five years and announced he’d leave parliament to spend for more time with his family. On Tuesday, he delivered his valedictory …

Professor Barney Glover on the bleak years ahead for higher education

August 19th, 2020

34:11

With the withdrawal of the international market, and the stresses of delivering education virtually, the university sector has been hit especially …

Jim Chalmers on tax cuts, inequality, and the Queensland election

August 13th, 2020

31:20

The second wave of the pandemic in Victoria has pushed the post-COVID economic recovery further beyond the horizon. Among the challenges for the …

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells on aged care – what needs to be done differently

August 7th, 2020

27:07

The Royal Commission into Aged-Care Quality and Safety delivered it’s interim report in October 2019. Titled ‘Neglect’, it provided a scathing insight into the aged care industry - finding it centred around transactions …

Patricia Sparrow on the need for aged care reform

July 30th, 2020

28:38

Those in aged care have been some of the hardest hit by the coronavirus second wave in Victoria. Even before the crisis, there were calls for reform of the sector, which is currently being examined by a royal commission.

Geoff Kitney on a life in journalism and the contemporary media landscape

July 22nd, 2020

27:59

Geoff Kitney fell into a career in journalism, and rose from reporting the local footy in Western Australia to covering many of federal politics's …

After the crisis: what lessons can be drawn from the management of COVID-19 for the recovery process?

July 20th, 2020

52:56

In this fourth episode of the Conversation-Democracy 2025 Podcast on “Political Trust in Times of Covid-19”, Michelle Grattan and Mark Evans explore …

Jane Halton on the risk of 'vaccine nationalism'

July 16th, 2020

27:33

Jane Halton, who formerly headed the federal health and finance departments, is chair of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness.

CEPI, founded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, is at the forefront of the …

Christopher Pyne on being 'the ultimate insider'

July 9th, 2020

24:17

Former Liberal Minister Christopher Pyne attracted critics for his political front. But he always had plenty of friends and networks, enabling him …

two leading economists on Australia’s post-COVID economy

July 2nd, 2020

33:53

With three months before JobSeeker is due to end and calls for billions of dollars in extra spending, there is a growing debate about how Australia’s …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: The Battle for Eden-Monaro – interviews with Kristy McBain and Fiona Kotvojs

June 25th, 2020

35:48

On July 4, the voters of Eden-Monaro will give their judgment on the performances of Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese.

The seat is held by Labor …

Clive Hamilton and Richard McGregor on Australia-China relations

June 17th, 2020

41:10

After its calls for an inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus, Australia has found itself targeted by China with sharp rhetoric and trade retaliation.

In this podcast, we talk with two prominent China experts about …

Trust, democracy and COVID-19: A British perspective

June 16th, 2020

50:12

Conversation-Democracy 2025 Podcast on “Political Trust in Times of COVID-19” produced by ContentGroup

A week ago, the British Foreign Secretary …

Pat Turner on Closing the Justice Gap

June 10th, 2020

27:13

Pat Turner, for decades a strong Aboriginal voice, is the lead convenor of the Coalition of Peaks, which brings together about 50 indigenous …

Statistician David Gruen and the race for real-time pandemic data

June 5th, 2020

31:57

Perhaps at no point in Australia’s history has the demand for real-time figures been stronger than during the coronavirus crisis.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics has stepped up its efforts to get data fast, to help …

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg on saving Australia’s tourism and construction industries

May 29th, 2020

18:29

As Australia slowly emerges from isolation, the nation’s economy is reopening, and even looking rather better than expected. But Australia still …

Jim Chalmers on JobKeeper’s flaws and the Eden-Monaro byelection

May 20th, 2020

30:12

Labor will campaign on the flaws in the JobKeeper program in the Eden-Monaro byelection, shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers says.

“There will be so many …

Democracy 2025 - The role of the APS in a post COVID-19 world with Michelle Grattan, Mark Evans, Peter Shergold, and Renée Leon

May 19th, 2020

53:12

In the latest Democratic Fundamentals, Renée Leon, former Secretary of the Commonwealth Department of Human Services, and Peter Shergold, former …

Paul Kelly on the risk of a COVID-19 second-wave

May 12th, 2020

45:04

Speaking as an expert in epidemiology, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly is candid about the prospects of a second-wave of coronavirus in a …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Nev Power on the role of business in a post-coronavirus world

May 6th, 2020

22:47

Nev Power, former head of "Twiggy" Forrest's Fortescue Metals Group, is now the Chairman of the government's National COVID-19 Coordination Commission.

The commission, set up by Scott Morrison in March, is working on …

Katy Gallagher on the senate's coronavirus watchdog

April 29th, 2020

25:19

Labor's Katy Gallagher is chair of the Senate committee that will assess the government's handling of the coronavirus crisis, both its economic and health challenges. It is set for the deep dive, having a final …

Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on his autobiography, ‘A Bigger Picture

April 20th, 2020

38:20

In this episode of Politics with Michelle Grattan, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull gives his frank assessment of Scott Morrison as a former …

MPs Tim Watts, Fiona Martin, Clare O'Neil and Helen Haines discuss serving their electorates during the coronavirus crisis

April 9th, 2020

26:23

Michelle Grattan talks with MPs Tim Watts (Gellibrand, Victoria), Fiona Martin (Reid, NSW), Clare O'Neil (Hotham, Victoria) and Helen Haines (Indi, Victoria) about how they do their job during the pandemic.

They discuss …

Democracy 2025 - How does Australia compare: what makes a leading democracy? With Michelle Grattan, Mark Evans and Ian Chubb

April 2nd, 2020

1:02:56

In this special hour long podcast presented by Mark Evans, professor of governance and director of Democracy 2025, the panel discusses Australian democracy with Emeritus Professor Ian Chubb and Michelle Grattan.

The …

Nobel Laureate Professor Peter Doherty on the coronavirus crisis and the timeline for a vaccine

March 26th, 2020

23:05

The coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, which causes the disease COVID-19, has infected nearly half a million people and taken the lives of more than 21,200.

No person in Australia is more qualified to speak on the science of this …

Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy on COVID-19

March 10th, 2020

23:14

With 100 domestic cases as of March 10, federal and state governments and health authorities face daunting challenges posed by COVID-19 in coming weeks and months - securing a workforce of nurses and doctors to treat …

Keith Pitt on the Murray-Darling Basin, the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility, and Nuclear Power

March 5th, 2020

23:48

Appointed minister for resources, water, and northern Australia in the Nationals reshuffle, Keith Pitt was handed a diverse portfolio with some …

Mark Butler on Labor’s 2050 carbon neutral target

February 26th, 2020

19:59

Mark Butler, Shadow Minister for Climate Change and Energy, is optimistic that Labor is better placed to prosecute its climate policy at the next …

Phil Honeywood on the coronavirus challenge for universities

February 20th, 2020

19:04

The coronavirus is presenting a major threat to Australia’s education export industry, which is highly dependant upon the China market, and a huge challenge to the universities. Phillip Honeywood, CEO of the …

Adam Bandt on Greens' hopes for future power sharing

February 11th, 2020

29:32

Adam Bandt began his political journey in the Labor party, but the issue of climate change drew him to the Greens. Last week he became their leader, …

Michael McCormack moves on from his near-death experience

February 11th, 2020

22:46

Starting the year with a leadership spill will be seen by many, especially those hit by the bushfires, as the Nationals being particularly …

Mathias Cormann and Jim Chalmers on the mid-year budget update

December 16th, 2019

21:37

The mid-year budget update has seen the government downgrading its forecast for Australia’s economic growth in 2019-20 by 0.25%, and slashing the projected surplus by A$2.1 billion, to $5 billion. The forecast for wage …

Andrew Hastie on foreign influence, security and veteran mental health

December 11th, 2019

25:13

Chinese government influence and interference has been a contentious issue in Australia politics in the past year.

Weighing up concerns about foreign …

Minister David Littleproud on bushfires, drought, and the Nationals

November 14th, 2019

35:52

Bushfires continue to burn across NSW and Queensland, the death toll has risen, and the damage to properties, wildlife and the environment is …

Ross Gittins on the government’s ‘surplus obsession’

October 29th, 2019

21:21

The Australian economy is growing slowly, with people not opening their purses and businesses uncertain about the future.

The Reserve Bank has cut interest rates three times this year - the official cash rate is …

On the trust divide in politics

October 28th, 2019

36:24

Democracy 2025 is an initiative by the Museum of Australian Democracy and the University of Canberra, which aims to stimulate a national conversation …

Deputy PM Michael McCormack on the drought and restive Nationals

October 23rd, 2019

24:34

While the drought continues to hit the Nationals’ constituents hard, the party faces a testing terrain on a political level.

In this episode of …

Tim Watts on Australia's changing identity

October 14th, 2019

27:28

Tim Watts is Labor member for the Victorian seat of Gellibrand, one of the most diverse electorates in Australia. His own family is a microcosm of diversity - Watts comes from a long line of Australians with ancestors …

Daughters of Robert Menzies and Arthur Calwell say parliament wasn’t always a “fort”

September 24th, 2019

57:38

Last week, a very special event took place in Parliament House. The daughters of Sir Robert Menzies and Arthur Calwell - Heather Henderson and Mary Elizabeth Calwell - came together to reflect on their fathers’ …

Arthur Sinodinos with some reflections and advice

September 18th, 2019

23:56

Arthur Sinodinos will soon leave the Senate, and early next year take up the position of Australian ambassador in Washington. A former staffer and one-time public servant as well as a former minister, in this podcast …

Jim Chalmers on the need to change economic course

September 16th, 2019

26:07

Shadow Treasurer Jim Chalmers says it's time to change Australia's economic course “in a responsible and affordable way which doesn't jeopardise the surplus”.

Chalmers predicts the budget outcome for last financial …

Independent MP Helen Haines on using 'soft power'

September 11th, 2019

19:43

Helen Haines, MP for the Victorian regional seat Indi, made history at the election as the first federal independent to succeed another independent.

She was backed by grassroots campaigners, Voices for Indi, who had …

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg on a slowing economy

September 5th, 2019

18:49

This week’s June quarter national accounts showed weakness in business investment and consumer spending, reflecting an all-round lack of confidence. Still, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg remains optimistic about the economy.

PM’s advisor Christine Morgan on tackling Australia’s rising suicide rates

August 26th, 2019

25:06

The number of suicides in Australia has been rising in the last decade, with more than 3,000 Australians taking their life in 2017, according to the …

On the ‘creeping crisis’ in the public service

August 13th, 2019

20:59

Scott Morrison has voiced his intention to shake up the federal public service - seeking to make it more efficient in implementing the government’s agenda. A review of the public service led by David Thodey is now …

Anthony Albanese on Labor's hard times

July 31st, 2019

30:37

Anthony Albanese has a blunt message for critics who are accusing Labor of attacking government measures but then voting for them. They should …

Paul Oosting responds to GetUp's critics

July 24th, 2019

21:11

After a bruising election outcome, GetUp is regrouping around a batch of issues - with press freedom the big ticket item. The activist group's …

Centre Alliance’s Stirling Griff on Newstart

July 23rd, 2019

19:09

The two Centre Alliance senators, Stirling Griff and Rex Patrick will often be pivotal to the fate of government legislation. The smaller non-Green Senate crossbench this term means that if the government can muster …

Megan Davis on a First Nations Voice in the Constitution

July 16th, 2019

22:53

Last week on this podcast we talked to Ken Wyatt about the government’s plan for a referendum – hopefully this parliamentary term – to recognise …

Minister Ken Wyatt on constitutional recognition for Indigenous Australians

July 11th, 2019

19:40

The first Indigenous minister for Indigenous Australians, Ken Wyatt, says on the government’s proposal to constitutionally recognise Indigenous Australians: “I’m optimistic about achieving the outcome because if the …

Frank Brennan on Israel Folau and religious freedom

July 3rd, 2019

28:04

Frank Brennan, Jesuit priest and member of the expert panel on Religious Freedom set up by Malcolm Turnbull says the Israel Folau matter is a "simple …

ACTU president Michele O'Neil on John Setka and the government’s anti-union legislation

July 1st, 2019

24:17

The ACTU leadership has pushed controversial construction boss John Setka to quit his union job but its president Michele O'Neil says the final …

Corrected version: Richard Eccleston on the electoral mood in Tasmania

May 9th, 2019

19:32

University of Tasmania political science professor, Richard Eccleston, says a lack of a coherent energy policy could count against the Coalition in …

Tim Colebatch on the battle in Victoria - and the Senate

May 6th, 2019

17:20

Inside Story’s Tim Colebatch says three Victorian seats are seen as “pretty certain” wins for Labor - Dunkley, Corangamite and Chisholm. A number of …

William Bowe on the state of election play in WA

May 1st, 2019

21:20

Western Australia-based William Bowe, who runs The Poll Bludger website, says “there is a feeling that there is a Labor resurgence in the state”.

Andrew Hughes on political advertising - and Clive Palmer

April 29th, 2019

20:47

ANU marketing lecturer Andrew Hughes says this is the first election where the advertising spend and activity has been more focussed on digital.

He …

Caroline Fisher on the spin machines of #AusVotes19

April 24th, 2019

16:50

While the major party leaders seem to have curated their images, University of Canberra assistant professor in communications and media Caroline …

Jim Chalmers on Labor’s budget reaction

April 3rd, 2019

12:14

Shadow Finance minister Jim Chalmers said Labor was looking for ways to make things fairer for low-income earners who were “largely left behind” in …

Peter Martin and Tim Colebatch on budget strategy and numbers

April 2nd, 2019

10:18

From inside the budget lockup, The Conversation’s Business and Economics editor Peter Martin and political and economic journalist Tim Colebatch from …

Jenny Macklin on inequality and Labor values

March 27th, 2019

26:19

After more than two decades, Jenny Macklin is in her final days as an MP. Her legacies from her time as a Labor minister include parental leave and the landmark National Disability Insurance Scheme.

In this podcast she …

Ian McAllister on voters and issues in the coming election

March 4th, 2019

21:59

The Australian Election Study, conducted by the Australian National University, has been running since 1987.

Its director Ian McAllister says one …

Tony Abbott and Zali Steggall on Warringah votes

March 1st, 2019

22:49

The Sydney electorate of Warringah will be one of the most fascinating battlegrounds in the May election, with a high profile independent Zali Stegall challenging former prime minister Tony Abbott.

Despite the seat …

Kerryn Phelps on medical transfer numbers

February 13th, 2019

10:54

Independent MP Kerryn Phelps, who set the ball rolling for the medical transfers legislation, says its passage is “a remarkable exercise in …

Michael McCormack on banks and the bush, and the election battle

February 5th, 2019

27:43

Deputy prime minister and Nationals leader Michael McCormack says the banking royal commission report contained a good outcome for farmers.

McCormack praised Nationals backbenchers Llew O’Brien, George Christensen and …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Tanya Plibersek on a united Labor

December 20th, 2018

19:14

The Labor party has emerged from its three day national conference in Adelaide looking united and projecting itself as “ready to govern”.

Labor …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Anthony Albanese on Labor’s road ahead

December 12th, 2018

49:07

Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese, a senior minister in the last Labor government and briefly deputy prime minister, is preparing to “hit the ground running” if the ALP wins next year’s election.

But meanwhile the …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Josh Frydenberg on Liberal troubles

November 29th, 2018

15:37

Josh Frydenberg, who became treasurer and deputy Liberal leader in the tumultuous events of August, said the party has “big challenges”.

While the …

Lowy Institute’s Jonathan Pryke on APEC 2018

November 19th, 2018

14:10

The Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum (APEC) ended with no agreed communique and unresolved tensions between the United States and China on …

Andrew Giles on the growing issue of loneliness

November 7th, 2018

22:18

Ahead of the release of the most comprehensive data on loneliness in Australia - by the Australian Psychologists Society - Labor frontbencher Andrew …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Anne Summers on #MeToo and women in politics

November 2nd, 2018

30:30

Anne Summers, who has worn many hats during her career - journalist, editor, activist, senior public servant, and prime ministerial advisor - is concerned about the slow progress in Australia in addressing sexual …

Satirist Jonathan Biggins on sending up the pollies

October 30th, 2018

18:35

Jonathan Biggins, who has been sending up politicians as part of The Wharf Revue for almost two decades, has some sharp words about social media - …

Barnaby Joyce on facing the drought and rural women

October 23rd, 2018

25:25

Some in the Nationals would like Barnaby Joyce back in the leadership before the election. Joyce speaking to The Conversation repeats that if the …

Peter Jennings on Morrison's Jerusalem move

October 17th, 2018

19:28

Director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), Peter Jennings, says it would be "silly" to claim - as Scott Morrison does - that there …

The battle for Wentworth

October 10th, 2018

35:23

The government’s majority is at stake in the October 20 Wentworth byelection, when the Liberals face voters still reeling from the loss of their …

Clare O'Neil on Labor’s listening tour for banking victims

October 3rd, 2018

20:30

Shadow minister for financial services Clare O'Neil, who is leading Labor’s “roundtables” for victims of the banks and other financial institutions, says the ALP exercise will give a voice to people in areas the Royal …

Brendan O'Connor on Labor’s industrial relations agenda

September 26th, 2018

31:52

With Scott Morrison flagging his government will take a hard line on industrial relations, especially the CFMEU, Labor’s shadow minister for employment and workplace relations, Brendan O'Connor will have a tough job …

View from the crossbench: Cathy McGowan and Rebekha Sharkie on the role of community candidates

September 13th, 2018

34:56

Independent Cathy McGowan and Centre Alliance’s Rebekha Sharkie share more in common than just sitting on the crossbench. The members for Indi and Mayo respectively have dug in to retain their seats - they believe there …

Judith Troeth on the Liberal party’s woman problem and asylum seekers

September 7th, 2018

22:44

Former Victorian Liberal senator Judith Troeth is no stranger to speaking out forthrightly on issues, even when that goes against her party’s …

Barnaby Joyce at his provocative best

August 8th, 2018

17:18

Barnaby Joyce has confirmed he could cross the floor on the federal legislation associated with the National Energy Guarantee. “Of course I could,” …

Wayne Swan on Labor’s byelection victories and beyond

August 1st, 2018

17:59

Incoming Labor national president Wayne Swan has made it clear he will have an assertive voice in the role, as the party moves towards next year’s …

Katharine Murphy ‘On Disruption’

July 6th, 2018

32:55

A recording of a conversation with Katharine Murphy, the Political Editor of The Guardian Australlia about her new book 'On Disruption'. Murphy's …

Tanya Plibersek on Labor’s taxing times

June 27th, 2018

22:46

Deputy opposition leader Tanya Plibersek talks on Anthony Albanese's Whitlam oration, Bill Shorten's unexpected announcement on rolling back company …

Frances Adamson on being secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs

June 25th, 2018

32:31

Frances Adamson is secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. She was previously international adviser to Malcolm Turnbull, and served …

Attorney-General Christian Porter on a crowded agenda

June 20th, 2018

27:22

Attorney-General Christian Porter says the response to the consultations for the national apology to victims of child sexual abuse has been very …

Brotherhood of St Laurence’s Conny Lenneberg on Newstart, poverty and inequality

May 31st, 2018

19:08

The Brotherhood of St Laurence has underway a campaign with the slogan “Share the Pie” highlighting the inadequacy of the Newstart allowance. The Brotherhood is also arguing the social safety net more generally is …

Michael McCormack on Barnaby's future, latte sippers and other matters

May 30th, 2018

24:35

With yet another round of the Barnaby Joyce affair distracting the government, the next question will be whether the beleaguered MP runs again in his New England seat at the election.

In this interview with The …

Anthony Albanese on Labor’s National Conference

May 23rd, 2018

27:55

Labor is facing tough tests in coming byelections in its narrowly held seats of Longman in Queensland and Braddon in Tasmania.

Later on, managing the ALP national conference will be a challenge for Bill Shorten who will …

Dean Smith on the pros and risks of new religious freedom protections

May 22nd, 2018

18:46

The Liberal party is currently fighting fires on various fronts - from a revolt on the live sheep trade to preselection power struggles.

Western …

Politics podcast: Mathias Cormann and Jim Chalmers on Budget 2018

May 9th, 2018

31:32

With the government's election focused budget released it's now a tax showdown between the two sides.

Finance minister Mathias Cormann says the …

Tim Colebatch on the 2018 budget

May 8th, 2018

9:01

From inside the lockup political and economic journalist Tim Colebatch speaks to Michelle Grattan about his assessment of the budget.

He says the …

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