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Politics with Michelle Grattan

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Michelle Grattan, Chief Political Correspondent at The Conversation, talks politics with politicians and experts, from Capital Hill.

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British High Commissioner Vicki Treadell on AUKUS and climate change

September 22nd, 2021

30:03

The New AUKUS security agreement has bound Australia even more tightly to the United States and Britain. But it has brought blowback against all three countries from France – which was blindsided by the cancellation of …

Word from The Hill: The Furious French and Porter‘s fall

September 21st, 2021

8:52

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Word from The Hill: Christian Porter’s anonymous money pot

September 14th, 2021

7:14

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Kate Jenkins on the women‘s agenda

September 8th, 2021

32:13

In the week of the National Summit on Women's Safety, Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins joins the podcast to discuss progress – and lack of progress – on issues of vital importance to Australian women.

Last …

Word from the Hill: A Father‘s Day backlash hits Scott Morrison

September 7th, 2021

8:17

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Word from The Hill: Learning to live with COVID

September 1st, 2021

6:53

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Pat Turner on COVID – and god botherers – stalking Indigenous communities

September 1st, 2021

22:21

COVID has been spreading quickly in western NSW Indigenous communities where low vaccination rates and poor conditions make for a toxic mix. The first Indigenous death occurred in Dubbo this week.

As efforts intensify …

Doherty’s Sharon Lewin on pivoting from chasing COVID zero

August 25th, 2021

27:29

The Doherty modelling is the government’s underpinning for a proposed easing of COVID restrictions once we reach targets of 70% and 80% of the adult …

Word from the Hill: The battle to exit COVID

August 24th, 2021

9:33

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Word from The Hill: Was the Afghanistan War worth it?

August 18th, 2021

7:50

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Anthony Albanese says Afghans in Australia should be given permanent residency

August 17th, 2021

35:13

Graphic pictures of mayhem confront the world as desperate Afghans attempt to flee their country, after the Taliban's seizure of Kabul.

Australia's …

Josh Frydenberg on uncertain economic times

August 13th, 2021

27:58

When Treasurer Josh Frydenberg joined the podcast in December, the outlook was positive. While the forecast deficit was massive at nearly $200 billion, it had been revised down and the prospects for growth and …

Word from the Hill: A reprimand for Christensen and Morrison on climate

August 10th, 2021

8:22

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Shadow Treasurer Jim Chalmers on promoting vaccine uptake and a 'modest spending program'

August 4th, 2021

21:50

In the lead up to the 2019 election, the Shorten opposition attacked the government's planned 2024 tax cuts, and promised to curb negative gearing and halve the capital gains tax discount.

Last week, the Albanese …

a four-stage plan and a $300 payment to get vaccinated

August 3rd, 2021

8:17

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Bob Brown on his latest environmental battle, and a critique of Labor

July 21st, 2021

33:27

Since his retirement from parliament in 2012, Bob Brown has remained an activist on environmental causes - from campaigning against the Adani coal mine to fighting the threat to Tasmania’s Tarkine forest.

Brown was …

Word from The Hill: three states in lockdown

July 20th, 2021

10:10

As well as her interviews with politicians and experts, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The Hill”, where she discusses the …

Barnaby Joyce on net zero 2050, a coal-fired power station – and how resources is (sort of) in cabinet

July 7th, 2021

19:04

Barnaby Joyce's sudden elevation to deputy prime minister has put a significant obstacle in the way of Scott Morrison's creep this year to a commitment to a net zero 2050 target. More generally, it has made internal …

Word from the Hill: Julia Banks and international travel caps

July 6th, 2021

10:45

As well as her usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The …

Jacinta Price's parliamentary agenda

July 5th, 2021

28:22

Following her pre-selection victory, Alice Springs deputy mayor Jacinta Nampijinpa Price will now be the Country Liberal party's Senate candidate at …

Word from The Hill: the return to lockdown

June 29th, 2021

9:07

As well as her usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes “Word from The …

Sussan Ley and Terri Butler on the Great Barrier Reef being 'in danger'

June 23rd, 2021

32:58

The government's response to the UNESCO recommendation that the Great Barrier Reef be listed as "in danger" was one of surprise and shock.

The recommendation will be considered at UNESCO's World Heritage Committee …

Word from The Hill: Australia's new Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce, climate policy and UNESCO

June 22nd, 2021

7:34

As well as Michelle Grattan’s usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes …

Acting PM Michael McCormack on net zero 2050 and prospects for a new coal-fired power station

June 16th, 2021

17:25

With Scott Morrison overseas, Nationals leader Michael McCormack has been Acting Prime Minister this week. In this podcast, he speaks about the free trade agreement with the UK, climate change, coal, the Nationals, and …

Word from The Hill: the Biloela Tamil family, G7 and the upcoming parliamentary fortnight

June 15th, 2021

7:08

As well as Michelle Grattan’s usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes …

Rex Patrick on Freedom of Information and Australia's submarines

June 10th, 2021

21:53

Senator Rex Patrick is currently challenging the secrecy around Scott Morrison's national cabinet. He's brought legal action – the outcome is pending – to attempt to have the minutes of this body, which includes …

Word from The Hill

June 8th, 2021

10:13

As well as Michelle Grattan's usual interviews with experts and politicians about the news of the day, Politics with Michelle Grattan now includes …

Mark Butler on the vaccine rollout and democracy in the Labor Party

June 2nd, 2021

27:28

Despite this week's strong economic figures, the pandemic is not as distant in the rearview mirror as many had hoped it would be by now. 

In …

Katy Gallagher on the battle to hold the government to account

May 27th, 2021

12:24

When Katy Gallagher joined the podcast this week, she was running between sessions of Senate estimates.

Among other issues, she and other Labor …

Richard Colbeck on aged care and the Olympics

May 19th, 2021

23:46

In last week's budget, $17.7 billion was allocated to the aged care sector, in response to the damning findings of the Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality & Safety. 

The commission's final report painted a grim …

Simon Birmingham and Jim Chalmers on a big spending budget

May 12th, 2021

19:33

This year's budget, handed down on Tuesday, boasts plenty of winners and minimal direct losers. Spending is lavish, with the government doing its utmost to avoid offending voters.

The big spending commitments include:

what should the budget do for women? Jennifer Westacott (BCA) and Michele O'Neil (ACTU)

May 5th, 2021

29:27


What do business and union leaders believe should be in a budget that is designed in part to pitch to women?
 

Jennifer Westacott, CEO of the Business …

former ASIO head David Irvine on the cyber threats Australia faces

April 28th, 2021

23:25

"The warfare of the 21st century" is going to be "fought in cyberspace before kinetic shots are fired" says leading national security expert David Irvine. 

And perhaps the fight has already begun, with Australia's …

military ‘watch-dog’ Neil James on Afghanistan, China, and Peter Dutton

April 21st, 2021

26:05

Sunday is ANZAC day - and this year it comes at a particularly important time for Australia’s military image.

Last week, Scott Morrison announced …

Matt Canavan on Holgate, Di Bartolomeo, and John Andersen

April 15th, 2021

37:47

Former Australia Post CEO Christine Holgate has given evidence to a Senate inquiry into her dramatic exit from Australia Post.

Holgate left her …

Stephen Duckett on what's gone wrong with the rollout

April 7th, 2021

16:21

As of Tuesday, only 920,334 doses of the coronavirus vaccine have been administered - a fraction of the four million doses the Morrison government …

Linda Burney on the treatment of Indigenous Women

April 1st, 2021

25:09

In the passionate debate over the treatment of women in workplaces, and particularly the extent of violence and harassment, the voice of Indigenous …

Sussan Ley on being a woman in politics

March 25th, 2021

27:24

Over the last month, as more and more stories of sexually explicit behaviour and misconduct within the walls of Parliament House have been revealed, …

Zali Steggall on Monday's march and Scott Morrison's response

March 18th, 2021

22:27

On Monday, women across the nation marched, demanding justice, safety and equality. But the government's response was lacklustre, with Scott Morrisona and the Minister for Women Marise Payne refusing to go outside to …

Fleur Johns on the rule of law

March 11th, 2021

27:19

Christian Porter has unequivocally denied the historic rape allegations levelled against him, and says he is determined to stay in his job as …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Patricia Sparrow on the Royal Commission into Aged Care

March 4th, 2021

19:19

The Royal Commission into Aged Care has now delivered its final report, and its findings are an indictment of the inadequacies of the present system. The report calls for a refocus within the aged care system, placing …

Former MP Kate Ellis on the culture in parliament house

February 23rd, 2021

28:11

The revelation of the alleged rape of former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins and subsequent allegations of sexual misconduct have sparked multiple …

David Littleproud on The Nationals and net zero

February 11th, 2021

24:53

Scott Morrison has indicated he wants to embrace a 2050 target of net-zero emissions. That, however, requires bringing the Nationals on board, and a vocal group in that party is fighting a fierce rearguard action.

The …

Anthony Albanese on his new frontbench, Joel Fitzgibbon, and Labor’s imminent workplace policy

February 1st, 2021

35:13

Last year, Anthony Albanese was criticised for his lack of cut-through during the COVID crisis, as Labor was sidelined by a hyperactive government.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg on promising budget figures

December 17th, 2020

20:49

This week's update shows an improvement on the numbers in the budget that was delivered only 10 weeks ago. The prospects for growth and employment have been revised upwards. While the forecast for the deficit remains …

Chief Scientist Alan Finkel on climate, energy and emissions

December 9th, 2020

38:54

This month Alan Finkel ends his term as Australia's Chief Scientist. 

An entrepreneur, engineer, neuroscientist, and educator in his former life, …

Asia-Pacific expert Bates Gill on China’s endgame

December 2nd, 2020

27:23

Chinese official Lijian Zhao’s tweeting an image depicting an Australian soldier holding a knife against a child’s throat and the subsequent angry …

two views on increasing the super contribution

November 25th, 2020

29:57

The increase in the compulsory superannuation contribution, legislated to rise next July from 9.5% to 10%, is being fiercely debated following the …

Defence expert Allan Behm on the background to the Brereton report

November 18th, 2020

23:30

The findings of the inquiry by Justice Paul Brereton into the misconduct – including allegations of murder of non-combatants and mistreatment of …

Joel Fitzgibbon on Labor climate policy and leadership

November 11th, 2020

22:28

Labor's Joel Fitzgibbon this week quit the frontbench, ensuring he'll become even more vocal in his campaign to have Labor's climate policy move to …

economist Danielle Wood on Australia’s ‘blokey’ budge

October 15th, 2020

16:49

In his budget reply, Anthony Albanese said women have suffered most during the pandemic, but were reduced to a footnote in the budget. He promised a …

a budget for a pandemic

October 8th, 2020

29:15

With the budget’s expected eye-watering debt and deficit numbers, the question remains whether the huge spending will be enough to fight the coronavirus slump.

Minister for Finance Mathias Cormann and Shadow Minister …

Chris Richardson on what Tuesday’s budget will and should do

September 30th, 2020

30:09

On Tuesday, the 2020 budget will be brought down. It will show a huge deficit for this financial year and massive government spending, aimed at promoting economic recovery and reducing unemployment. In the wake of …

New Zealand’s Helen Clark on the pandemic inquiry and avoiding election ‘cat fights

September 24th, 2020

27:33

On October 17, New Zealanders will head to the polls to vote in a general election and also on referendum questions for the legalisation of cannabis …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Angus Taylor on the 'gas-fired' recovery

September 16th, 2020

17:03

The Coalition is having yet another go at crafting an energy policy. Faced with the huge economic challenges presented by COVID, the government this …

Jodie McVernon on Melbourne’s modelling, a Covid vaccine, and the role of experts in a crisis

September 9th, 2020

31:05

In light of Victoria’s cautious roadmap out of lockdown, with some experts claiming the exit is too fast, and others believing it is unnecessarily slow, the modelling underpinning the decisions is under close scrutiny.

Chris Bowen on the recession, aged care and priorities for health policy

September 3rd, 2020

29:02

Had the 2019 election panned out differently, Chris Bowen would have been the treasurer coping with Australia's current economic crisis.

Instead, as …

Former Greens leader Richard Di Natale on COVID, climate and his successor

August 27th, 2020

21:42

In February, then Greens’ leader Richard Di Natale stepped down from the leadership after five years and announced he’d leave parliament to spend for more time with his family. On Tuesday, he delivered his valedictory …

Professor Barney Glover on the bleak years ahead for higher education

August 19th, 2020

34:11

With the withdrawal of the international market, and the stresses of delivering education virtually, the university sector has been hit especially …

Jim Chalmers on tax cuts, inequality, and the Queensland election

August 13th, 2020

31:20

The second wave of the pandemic in Victoria has pushed the post-COVID economic recovery further beyond the horizon. Among the challenges for the …

Concetta Fierravanti-Wells on aged care – what needs to be done differently

August 7th, 2020

27:07

The Royal Commission into Aged-Care Quality and Safety delivered it’s interim report in October 2019. Titled ‘Neglect’, it provided a scathing insight into the aged care industry - finding it centred around transactions …

Patricia Sparrow on the need for aged care reform

July 30th, 2020

28:38

Those in aged care have been some of the hardest hit by the coronavirus second wave in Victoria. Even before the crisis, there were calls for reform of the sector, which is currently being examined by a royal commission.

Geoff Kitney on a life in journalism and the contemporary media landscape

July 22nd, 2020

27:59

Geoff Kitney fell into a career in journalism, and rose from reporting the local footy in Western Australia to covering many of federal politics's …

After the crisis: what lessons can be drawn from the management of COVID-19 for the recovery process?

July 20th, 2020

52:56

In this fourth episode of the Conversation-Democracy 2025 Podcast on “Political Trust in Times of Covid-19”, Michelle Grattan and Mark Evans explore …

Jane Halton on the risk of 'vaccine nationalism'

July 16th, 2020

27:33

Jane Halton, who formerly headed the federal health and finance departments, is chair of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness.

CEPI, founded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, is at the forefront of the …

Christopher Pyne on being 'the ultimate insider'

July 9th, 2020

24:17

Former Liberal Minister Christopher Pyne attracted critics for his political front. But he always had plenty of friends and networks, enabling him …

two leading economists on Australia’s post-COVID economy

July 2nd, 2020

33:53

With three months before JobSeeker is due to end and calls for billions of dollars in extra spending, there is a growing debate about how Australia’s …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: The Battle for Eden-Monaro – interviews with Kristy McBain and Fiona Kotvojs

June 25th, 2020

35:48

On July 4, the voters of Eden-Monaro will give their judgment on the performances of Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese.

The seat is held by Labor …

Clive Hamilton and Richard McGregor on Australia-China relations

June 17th, 2020

41:10

After its calls for an inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus, Australia has found itself targeted by China with sharp rhetoric and trade retaliation.

In this podcast, we talk with two prominent China experts …

Trust, democracy and COVID-19: A British perspective

June 16th, 2020

50:12

Conversation-Democracy 2025 Podcast on “Political Trust in Times of COVID-19” produced by ContentGroup

A week ago, the British Foreign Secretary …

Pat Turner on Closing the Justice Gap

June 10th, 2020

27:13

Pat Turner, for decades a strong Aboriginal voice, is the lead convenor of the Coalition of Peaks, which brings together about 50 indigenous …

Statistician David Gruen and the race for real-time pandemic data

June 5th, 2020

31:57

Perhaps at no point in Australia’s history has the demand for real-time figures been stronger than during the coronavirus crisis.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics has stepped up its efforts to get data fast, to help …

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg on saving Australia’s tourism and construction industries

May 29th, 2020

18:29

As Australia slowly emerges from isolation, the nation’s economy is reopening, and even looking rather better than expected. But Australia still …

Jim Chalmers on JobKeeper’s flaws and the Eden-Monaro byelection

May 20th, 2020

30:12

Labor will campaign on the flaws in the JobKeeper program in the Eden-Monaro byelection, shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers says.

“There will be so many …

Democracy 2025 - The role of the APS in a post COVID-19 world with Michelle Grattan, Mark Evans, Peter Shergold, and Renée Leon

May 19th, 2020

53:12

In the latest Democratic Fundamentals, Renée Leon, former Secretary of the Commonwealth Department of Human Services, and Peter Shergold, former …

Paul Kelly on the risk of a COVID-19 second-wave

May 12th, 2020

45:04

Speaking as an expert in epidemiology, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly is candid about the prospects of a second-wave of coronavirus in a …

Politics with Michelle Grattan: Nev Power on the role of business in a post-coronavirus world

May 6th, 2020

22:47

Nev Power, former head of "Twiggy" Forrest's Fortescue Metals Group, is now the Chairman of the government's National COVID-19 Coordination Commission.

The commission, set up by Scott Morrison in March, is working on …

Katy Gallagher on the senate's coronavirus watchdog

April 29th, 2020

25:19

Labor's Katy Gallagher is chair of the Senate committee that will assess the government's handling of the coronavirus crisis, both its economic and health challenges. It is set for the deep dive, having a final …

Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on his autobiography, ‘A Bigger Picture

April 20th, 2020

38:20

In this episode of Politics with Michelle Grattan, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull gives his frank assessment of Scott Morrison as a former …

MPs Tim Watts, Fiona Martin, Clare O'Neil and Helen Haines discuss serving their electorates during the coronavirus crisis

April 9th, 2020

26:23

Michelle Grattan talks with MPs Tim Watts (Gellibrand, Victoria), Fiona Martin (Reid, NSW), Clare O'Neil (Hotham, Victoria) and Helen Haines (Indi, Victoria) about how they do their job during the pandemic.

They …

Democracy 2025 - How does Australia compare: what makes a leading democracy? With Michelle Grattan, Mark Evans and Ian Chubb

April 2nd, 2020

1:02:56

In this special hour long podcast presented by Mark Evans, professor of governance and director of Democracy 2025, the panel discusses Australian democracy with Emeritus Professor Ian Chubb and Michelle Grattan.

The …

Nobel Laureate Professor Peter Doherty on the coronavirus crisis and the timeline for a vaccine

March 26th, 2020

23:05

The coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, which causes the disease COVID-19, has infected nearly half a million people and taken the lives of more than 21,200.

No person in Australia is more qualified to speak on the science of this …

Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy on COVID-19

March 10th, 2020

23:14

With 100 domestic cases as of March 10, federal and state governments and health authorities face daunting challenges posed by COVID-19 in coming weeks and months - securing a workforce of nurses and doctors to treat …

Keith Pitt on the Murray-Darling Basin, the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility, and Nuclear Power

March 5th, 2020

23:48

Appointed minister for resources, water, and northern Australia in the Nationals reshuffle, Keith Pitt was handed a diverse portfolio with some …

Mark Butler on Labor’s 2050 carbon neutral target

February 26th, 2020

19:59

Mark Butler, Shadow Minister for Climate Change and Energy, is optimistic that Labor is better placed to prosecute its climate policy at the next …

Phil Honeywood on the coronavirus challenge for universities

February 20th, 2020

19:04

The coronavirus is presenting a major threat to Australia’s education export industry, which is highly dependant upon the China market, and a huge challenge to the universities. Phillip Honeywood, CEO of the …

Adam Bandt on Greens' hopes for future power sharing

February 11th, 2020

29:32

Adam Bandt began his political journey in the Labor party, but the issue of climate change drew him to the Greens. Last week he became their leader, …

Michael McCormack moves on from his near-death experience

February 11th, 2020

22:46

Starting the year with a leadership spill will be seen by many, especially those hit by the bushfires, as the Nationals being particularly …

Mathias Cormann and Jim Chalmers on the mid-year budget update

December 16th, 2019

21:37

The mid-year budget update has seen the government downgrading its forecast for Australia’s economic growth in 2019-20 by 0.25%, and slashing the projected surplus by A$2.1 billion, to $5 billion. The forecast for wage …

Andrew Hastie on foreign influence, security and veteran mental health

December 11th, 2019

25:13

Chinese government influence and interference has been a contentious issue in Australia politics in the past year.

Weighing up concerns …

Minister David Littleproud on bushfires, drought, and the Nationals

November 14th, 2019

35:52

Bushfires continue to burn across NSW and Queensland, the death toll has risen, and the damage to properties, wildlife and the environment is …

Ross Gittins on the government’s ‘surplus obsession’

October 29th, 2019

21:21

The Australian economy is growing slowly, with people not opening their purses and businesses uncertain about the future.

The Reserve Bank has cut interest rates three times this year - the official cash rate is …

On the trust divide in politics

October 28th, 2019

36:24

Democracy 2025 is an initiative by the Museum of Australian Democracy and the University of Canberra, which aims to stimulate a national conversation …

Deputy PM Michael McCormack on the drought and restive Nationals

October 23rd, 2019

24:34

While the drought continues to hit the Nationals’ constituents hard, the party faces a testing terrain on a political level.

In this episode of …

Tim Watts on Australia's changing identity

October 14th, 2019

27:28

Tim Watts is Labor member for the Victorian seat of Gellibrand, one of the most diverse electorates in Australia. His own family is a microcosm of diversity - Watts comes from a long line of Australians with ancestors …

Daughters of Robert Menzies and Arthur Calwell say parliament wasn’t always a “fort”

September 24th, 2019

57:38

Last week, a very special event took place in Parliament House. The daughters of Sir Robert Menzies and Arthur Calwell - Heather Henderson and Mary Elizabeth Calwell - came together to reflect on their fathers’ …

Arthur Sinodinos with some reflections and advice

September 18th, 2019

23:56

Arthur Sinodinos will soon leave the Senate, and early next year take up the position of Australian ambassador in Washington. A former staffer and one-time public servant as well as a former minister, in this podcast …

Jim Chalmers on the need to change economic course

September 16th, 2019

26:07

Shadow Treasurer Jim Chalmers says it's time to change Australia's economic course “in a responsible and affordable way which doesn't jeopardise the surplus”.

Chalmers predicts the budget outcome for last financial …

Independent MP Helen Haines on using 'soft power'

September 11th, 2019

19:43

Helen Haines, MP for the Victorian regional seat Indi, made history at the election as the first federal independent to succeed another independent.

She was backed by grassroots campaigners, Voices for Indi, who had …

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg on a slowing economy

September 5th, 2019

18:49

This week’s June quarter national accounts showed weakness in business investment and consumer spending, reflecting an all-round lack of confidence. Still, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg remains optimistic about the economy.

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