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People I (Mostly) Admire

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Steve Levitt, the iconoclastic University of Chicago economist and co-author of the Freakonomics book series, tracks down other high achievers and asks questions that only he would think to ask. Guests include all-time Jeopardy! champion Ken Jennings, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki, WNBA champion Sue Bi… read more

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98. Searching for Our Aquatic Ancestors

February 4th, 2023


Neil Shubin hunts for fossils in the Arctic and experiments with D.N.A. in the lab, hoping to find out how fish evolved to walk on land. He explains …

97. How Smart Is a Forest?

January 21st, 2023


Ecologist Suzanne Simard studies the relationships between trees in a forest: they talk to each other, punish each other, and depend on each other. …

96. Steven Strogatz Thinks You Don’t Know What Math Is

January 7th, 2023


The mathematician and author sees mathematical patterns everywhere — from DNA to fireflies to social connections.

95. The One Thing Stephen Dubner Hasn’t Quit

December 24th, 2022


When Freakonomics co-authors Steve Levitt and Stephen Dubner first met, one of them hated the other. Two decades later, Levitt grills Dubner about asking questions, growing the pie, and what he learned from Bruce …

94. The Price of Doing Business with John List

December 10th, 2022


From baseball card conventions to Walmart, John List has always used field experiments to say revolutionary things about economics. He explains the …

93. Annie Duke Thinks You Should Quit

November 26th, 2022


Former professional poker player Annie Duke has a new book on Steve’s favorite subject: quitting. They talk about why quitting is so hard, how to do it sooner, and why we feel shame when we do something that’s good for …

92. John Green’s Reluctant Rocket Ship Ride

November 12th, 2022


Author and YouTuber John Green thought his breakout bestseller wouldn’t be a commercial success, wrote 40,000 words for one sentence, and brought …

91. Jane Goodall Changed the Way We See Animals. She’s Not Done.

October 29th, 2022


The ethologist and conservationist discusses the thrill of observing chimpanzees in the wild, the value of challenging orthodoxy, and why dying is …

90. Peter Singer Isn’t a Saint, But He’s Better Than Steve Levitt

October 15th, 2022


The philosopher known for his rigorous ethics explains why Steve is leading a morally inconsistent life. 

Extra: A Rockstar Chemist Wins the Nobel Prize

October 8th, 2022


Stanford professor Carolyn Bertozzi’s imaginative ideas for treating disease have led to ten start-ups. She talks with Steve about the next …

89. A Cross Between Sherlock Holmes and Indiana Jones

October 1st, 2022


Heeding the warnings of public health officer Charity Dean about Covid-19 could have saved lives. Charity explains why she loves infectious diseases …

88. Ken Burns on Heroism, Horror, and History

September 17th, 2022


The documentary filmmaker, known for The Civil War, Jazz, and Baseball, turns his attention to the Holocaust, and asks what we can learn from the …

87. How Much Are the Right Friends Worth?

September 3rd, 2022


Harvard economist Raj Chetty uses tax data to study inequality, kid success, and social mobility. He explains why you should be careful when choosing …

86. A Million-Year View on Morality

August 20th, 2022


Philosopher Will MacAskill thinks about how to do as much good as possible. But that's really hard, especially when you're worried about humans who won't be born for many generations.

85. What It Takes to Know Everything

August 6th, 2022


Victoria Groce is one of the best trivia contestants on earth. She explains the structure of a good question, why she knits during competitions, and how to memorize 160,000 flashcards. 

84. Yuval Noah Harari Thinks Life Is Meaningless and Amazing

July 23rd, 2022


The author of Sapiens has a knack for finding the profound in the obvious. He tells Steve why money is fiction, traffic can be mind-blowing, and …

83. “There's So Many Problems — Which Ones Can I Make a Difference On?”

July 9th, 2022


When she's not rescuing chickens from coyotes, Susan Athey uses economics to address real-world challenges — from online ad auctions to carbon …

82. Is This the Future of High School?

July 2nd, 2022


Khan Academy founder Sal Khan returns to share his vision for a new way to learn — and the conversation inspires Steve to make a big announcement.

81. Why Bother Searching for Aliens?

June 25th, 2022


Astronomer Jill Tarter spent her career searching for extraterrestrial intelligence. She explains what civilizations from other planets could teach …

80. Get Your Share of the Pie

June 18th, 2022


Game theorist Barry Nalebuff explains how he used basic economics to build Honest Tea into a multimillion-dollar business, and shares his innovative …

79. Solar Geoengineering Would Be Radical. It Might Also Be Necessary.

June 11th, 2022


David Keith has spent his career studying ways to reflect sunlight away from the earth. It could reduce the risks of climate change — but it won’t …

78. Giving It Away

June 4th, 2022


Billionaire John Arnold is figuring out how to do as much good as he can with his wealth. It takes hard work, risk tolerance, and a lot of spending.

77. Can Games Prepare Us for Catastrophes? (Part 2)

May 28th, 2022


Many of us hate to think about future crises. Game designer Jane McGonigal wants to make it fun. 

76. Is Gaming Good for You?

May 21st, 2022


Jane McGonigal designed a game to help herself recover from a traumatic brain injury — and she thinks playing games can help us all lead our best lives.

75. Self-Help for Data Nerds

May 14th, 2022


Seth Stephens-Davidowitz combs through mountains of information to find advice for everyday life.


74. Getting Our Hands Dirty

May 7th, 2022


Soil scientist Asmeret Asefaw Berhe could soon hold one of the most important jobs in science. She explains why the ground beneath our feet is one of …

73. Turning Work into Play

April 30th, 2022


How psychologist Dan Gilbert went from high school dropout to Harvard professor, found the secret of joy, and inspired Steve Levitt's divorce.

72. “Leaving Black People in the Lurch”

April 23rd, 2022


Linguist and social commentator John McWhorter explains how good intentions may be hurting Black America — and where the word “motherf*cker” comes from.

71. Bombs Away

April 16th, 2022


Beatrice Fihn wants to rid the world of nuclear weapons. As Russian aggression raises the prospect of global conflict, can she put disarmament on the world's agenda?

70. You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Experiment

April 9th, 2022


Nobel Prize winner Joshua Angrist explains how the draft lottery, the Talmud, and West Point let economists ask — and answer — tough questions.

69. Does Death Have to Be a Death Sentence?

April 2nd, 2022


Palliative physician B.J. Miller asks: Is there a better way to think about dying? And can death be beautiful? 

68. “No One Can Resist a Jolly, Happy Pig.”

March 26th, 2022


Naturalist Sy Montgomery explains how she learned to be social from a pig, discovered octopuses have souls, and came to love a killer that will never …

67. We Can Play God Now

March 19th, 2022


Gene-editing pioneer Jennifer Doudna worries that humanity might not be ready for the technology she helped develop. 

66. The Professor Who Said “No” to Tenure

March 12th, 2022


Columbia astrophysicist David Helfand is an academic who does things his own way — from turning down job security to helping found a radically …

65. A Rockstar Chemist and Her Cancer-Attacking “Lawn Mower”

March 5th, 2022


Stanford professor Carolyn Bertozzi’s imaginative ideas for treating disease have led to ten start-ups. She talks with Steve about the next …

64. How Larry Miller Went from Prison Valedictorian to Nike Executive

February 26th, 2022


Climbing the corporate ladder to become head of Nike’s Jordan brand, he kept his teenage murder conviction a secret from employers. Larry talks about living in fear, accepting forgiveness, and why it was easier to be …

63. The Only Covid-19 Book Worth Reading

February 19th, 2022


Steve loved Michael Lewis’s latest, The Premonition, but has one critique: Why aren’t there even more villains? Also, why the author of best-sellers Moneyball and The Big Short can barely read a page of his first book …

62. How Does Historian Brad Gregory Make a Boring Topic So Mind-Blowing?

February 12th, 2022


A leading expert on the Reformation era, Brad, a University of Notre Dame professor, tells Steve about how the “blood gets sucked out of history,” and why historians and economists don’t quite see eye to eye.

61. Was Austan Goolsbee’s First Visit to the Oval Office Almost His Last?

February 5th, 2022


The former chairman of the Obama administration’s Council of Economic Advisors tells Steve how improv comedy was a better training ground for teaching than a Ph.D. from M.I.T., and why he’s glad he was wrong about the …

60. Cassandra Quave Thinks the Way Antibiotics Are Developed Might Kill Us

January 29th, 2022


By mid-century, 10 million people a year are projected to die from untreatable infections. Can Cassandra, an ethnobotanist at Emory University convince Steve that herbs and ancient healing are key to our medical future?


Why Aren’t All Drugs Legal? (Replay Ep. 28)

January 22nd, 2022


The Columbia neuroscientist and psychology professor Carl Hart believes that recreational drug use, even heroin, methamphetamines, and cocaine, is an …

Are We Under Threat from a New Kind of Terror? (Replay Ep. 24)

January 15th, 2022


Amaryllis Fox is a former C.I.A. operative and host of the Netflix show The Business of Drugs. She explains why intelligence work requires empathy, and she soothes Steve’s fears about weapons of mass destruction.

59. Who Gives the Worst Advice?

January 8th, 2022


Steve usually asks his guests for advice, whether they’re magicians or Nobel laureates. After nearly 60 episodes, is any of it worth following — or …

58. Why Is Richard Thaler Such a ****ing Optimist?

January 1st, 2022


The Nobel laureate and pioneering behavioral economist spars with Steve over what makes a nudge a nudge, and admits that even economists have plenty of blind spots.

57. What Makes John Doerr Think He Can Save the Planet?

December 25th, 2021


The legendary venture capitalist believes the same intuition that led him to bet early on Google can help us reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. But Steve wonders why his plan doesn’t include a carbon tax.


56. Claudia Goldin: What’s “Greedy Work” and Why Is It a Problem?

December 18th, 2021


Harvard economist Claudia Goldin and Steve talk about how inflexible jobs and family responsibilities make it harder for women to earn wages equal to …

55. Jared Diamond on the Downfall of Civilizations — and His Optimism for Ours

December 11th, 2021


He’s the award-winning author of hugely popular books like Guns, Germs, and Steel; Collapse; and Upheaval. But Jared actually started his varied …

54. Andrew Yang Is Not Giving Up on Politics — or the U.S. — Yet

December 4th, 2021


He’s tried to shake up the status quo — as a Democratic presidential candidate, a New York City mayoral candidate, and now the founder of the Forward party. Will his third try be the charm? Andrew talks with Steve about …

53. The Simple Economics of Saving the Amazon Rainforest

November 27th, 2021


Everyone agrees that massive deforestation is an environmental disaster. But most of the standard solutions — scolding the Brazilians, invoking …

52. Max Tegmark on Why Superhuman Artificial Intelligence Won’t be Our Slave (Part 2)

November 20th, 2021


He’s an M.I.T. cosmologist, physicist, and machine-learning expert, and once upon a time, almost an economist. Max and Steve continue their …

51. Max Tegmark on Why Treating Humanity Like a Child Will Save Us All

November 13th, 2021


How likely is it that this conversation is happening in more than one universe? Should we worry more about Covid or about nuclear war? Is economics a …

50. Edward Miguel on Collecting Economic Data by Canoe and Correlating Conflict with Rainfall

November 6th, 2021


He’s a pioneer of using randomized control experiments in economics — studying the long-term benefits of a $1 health intervention in Africa. Steve …

49. Mathematician Sarah Hart on Why Numbers are Music to Our Ears

October 30th, 2021


Playing notes on her piano, she demonstrates for Steve why whole numbers sound pleasing, why octaves are mathematically imperfect, and how math …

48. Marc Davis Can’t Stop Watching Basketball — But He Doesn’t Care Who Wins

October 23rd, 2021


His childhood dream of playing in the N.B.A. led him to a career as a referee. Marc is one of the league’s top performers after over 20 seasons, but he still reviews every single one of his calls. He talks with Steve …

Ken Jennings on How a Midlife Crisis Led Him to Jeopardy! (People I (Mostly) Admire, Ep. 4 Replay)

October 16th, 2021


It was only in his late twenties that America’s favorite brainiac began to seriously embrace his love of trivia. Jeopardy!’s newest host also holds …

Mayim Bialik on the Surprising Risks of Academia and Stability of Show Biz (People I (Mostly) Admire, Ep. 2 Replay)

October 9th, 2021


This new Jeopardy! host is best known for playing neurobiologist Amy Farrah Fowler on The Big Bang Theory, but she has a rich life outside of her …

47. Robert Axelrod on Why Being Nice, Forgiving, and Provokable are the Best Strategies for Life

October 2nd, 2021


The prisoner’s dilemma is a classic game-theory problem. Robert, a political scientist at the University of Michigan, has spent his career studying …

46. Amanda & Lily Levitt Share What It’s Like to be Steve’s Daughters

September 25th, 2021


Steve shows a different side of himself in very personal interviews with his two oldest daughters. Amanda talks about growing up with social anxiety …

45. Leidy Klotz on Why the Best Solutions Involve Less — Not More

September 18th, 2021


When we try to improve things, our first thought is often: What can we add to make this better? But Leidy, a professor of engineering, says we tend …

44. Edward Glaeser Explains Why Some Cities Thrive While Others Fade Away

September 11th, 2021


An expert on urban economics and co-author of the new book Survival of the City, Ed says cities have faced far worse than Covid. Steve talks with the Harvard professor about why the slums of Mumbai function so well, …

43. Arne Duncan Says All Kids Deserve a Chance — and Criminals Deserve a Second One

September 4th, 2021


Former U.S. Secretary of Education, 3x3 basketball champion, and leader of an anti-gun violence organization are all on Arne’s resume. He’s also …

42. America’s Math Curriculum Doesn’t Add Up

August 28th, 2021


A special episode: Steve reports on a passion of his. Most high-school math classes are still preparing students for the Sputnik era. Steve wants to …

41. Dr. Bapu Jena on Why Freakonomics Is the Best Medicine

August 21st, 2021


He’s a Harvard physician and economist who just started a third job: host of the new podcast Freakonomics, M.D. He’s also Steve’s former student. The …

40. Harold Pollack on Why Managing Your Money Is as Easy as Taking Out the Garbage

August 14th, 2021


He argues that personal finance is so simple all you need to know can fit on an index card. How will he deal with Steve’s suggestion that Harold’s …

39. Aicha Evans Wants You to Take Your Eyes Off the Road

August 7th, 2021


She’s the C.E.O. of Zoox, an autonomous vehicle company. Steve asks Aicha about the big promises the A.V. industry hasn’t yet delivered — and the radical bet Zoox is making on a driverless future. Plus, Steve wants to …

38. Sendhil Mullainathan Explains How to Generate an Idea a Minute (Part 2)

July 31st, 2021


Steve continues his conversation with his good friend, MacArthur “Genius Grant” recipient, and fellow University of Chicago economist. Sendhil breaks down the hypothesis of his book Scarcity, explains why machines …

37. Sendhil Mullainathan Thinks Messing Around Is the Best Use of Your Time

July 24th, 2021


He’s a professor of computation and behavioral science at the University of Chicago, MacArthur “Genius Grant” recipient, and author. Steve and Sendhil laugh their way through a conversation about the importance of play, …

36. How Rahm Emanuel Would Run the World

July 17th, 2021


In this interview, first heard on Freakonomics Radio last year, Steve talks with the former top adviser to presidents Clinton and Obama, about his record — and his reputation. And Rahm explains that while he believes in …

35. David Epstein Knows Something About Almost Everything

July 10th, 2021


He’s been an Arctic scientist, a sports journalist, and is now a best-selling author of science books. His latest, Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World, makes the argument that early specialization does …

34. Maya Shankar Is Changing People’s Behavior — and Her Own

July 3rd, 2021


She used to run a behavioral unit in the Obama administration, and now has a similar role at Google. Maya and Steve talk about the power (and limits) …

33. Travis Tygart Is Coming for Cheaters — Just Ask Lance Armstrong

June 26th, 2021


He’s the C.E.O. of the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), which, under his charge, exposed the most celebrated American cyclist as a cheater. And Steve’s been studying cheaters for the last 25 years, so he’s also …

32. Angela Duckworth Explains How to Manage Your Goal Hierarchy

June 19th, 2021


She’s the author of the bestselling book Grit, and a University of Pennsylvania professor of psychology — a field Steve says he knows nothing about. …

31. Peter Leeson on Why Trial-by-Fire Wasn’t Barbaric and Why Pirates Were Democratic

June 12th, 2021


He’s an economist who studies even weirder things than Steve. They discuss whether economics is the best of the social sciences, and why it’s a good idea to get a tattoo of a demand curve on your bicep.

30. Dambisa Moyo Says Foreign Aid Can’t Solve Problems, but Maybe Corporations Can

June 5th, 2021


The African-born economist has written four bestselling books, including Dead Aid, which Bill Gates described as “promoting evil.” In her new book about corporate boards, Dambisa uses her experience with global …

29. Bruce Friedrich Thinks There’s a Better Way to Eat Meat

May 29th, 2021


Levitt rarely interviews advocates, but the founder of the Good Food Institute is different. Once an outspoken — and sometimes outlandish — animal-rights activist, Bruce has come to believe that market-driven innovation …

28. Professor Carl Hart Argues All Drugs Should Be Legal — Can He Convince Steve?

May 22nd, 2021


As a neuroscientist and psychology professor at Columbia University who studies the immediate and long-term effects of illicit substances, Carl Hart …

27. Daniel Kahneman on Why Our Judgment is Flawed — and What to Do About It

May 15th, 2021


Nobel laureate, best-selling author, and groundbreaking psychologist Daniel Kahneman is also a friend and former business partner of Steve’s. In …

26. Memory Champion Nelson Dellis Helps Steve Train His Brain

May 8th, 2021


He’s one of the world’s leading competitors, having won four U.S. memory tournaments and holding the record for most names memorized in 15 minutes …

25. Sam Harris: “Spirituality Is a Loaded Term.”

May 1st, 2021


He’s a cognitive neuroscientist and philosopher who has written five best-selling books. Sam Harris also hosts the Making Sense podcast and helps people discover meditation through his Waking Up app. Sam explains to …

Nathan Myhrvold: “I Am Interested in Lots of Things, and That's Actually a Bad Strategy.” (Episode 6 Rebroadcast)

April 24th, 2021


He graduated high school at 14, and by 23 had several graduate degrees and was a research assistant with Stephen Hawking. He became the first chief …

24. Amaryllis Fox: “What Does This New Version of Mutually Assured Destruction Look Like?”

April 17th, 2021


She spent nearly a decade as an undercover C.I.A. operative working to prevent terrorism. More recently, she hosted The Business of Drugs on Netflix. Amaryllis Fox — now Kennedy — explains why intelligence work requires …

23. Greg Norman & Mark Broadie: Why Golf Beats an Orgasm and Why Data Beats Everything

April 10th, 2021


Steve Levitt is obsessed with golf — and he’s pretty good at it too. As a thinly-veiled ploy to improve his own game, Steve talks to two titans of …

22. Sal Khan: “If It Works for 15 Cousins, It Could Work for a Billion People.”

April 3rd, 2021


Khan Academy grew out of Sal Khan’s online math tutorials for his extended family. It’s now a platform used by more than 115 million people in 190 countries. So what does Khan want to do next? How about reinventing …

21. Pete Docter: “What If Monsters Really Do Exist?”

March 27th, 2021


He’s the chief creative officer of Pixar, and the Academy Award-winning director of Soul, Inside Out, Up, and Monsters, Inc. Pete Docter and Steve …

20. John Donohue: “I'm Frequently Called a Treasonous Enemy of the Constitution.”

March 20th, 2021


He’s a law professor with a Ph.D. in economics and a tendency for getting into fervid academic debates. Over 20 years ago, he and Steve began studying the impact of legalized abortion on crime. John and Steve talk about …

19. Marina Nitze: “If You Googled ‘Business Efficiency Consultant,’ I Was the Only Result.”

March 13th, 2021


At 27— and without a college degree — she was named chief technology officer of the Department of Veterans Affairs. Today, Marina Nitze is trying to …

18. Robert Sapolsky: “I Don’t Think We Have Any Free Will Whatsoever.”

March 6th, 2021


He’s one of the world’s leading neuroscientists, with a focus on the physiological effects of stress. (For years, he spent his summers in Kenya, …

17. Emily Oster: “I Am a Woman Who Is Prominently Discussing Vaginas.”

February 27th, 2021


In addition to publishing best-selling books about pregnancy and child-rearing, Emily Oster is a respected economist at Brown University. Over the …

16. Joshua Jay: “Humans Are So, So Easy to Fool.”

February 20th, 2021


He’s a world-renowned magician who’s been performing since he was seven years old. But Joshua Jay is also an author, toy maker, and consultant for …

15. Tim Harford: “If You Can Make Sure You're Not An Idiot, You've Done Well.”

February 13th, 2021


He’s a former World Bank economist who became a prolific journalist and the author of one of Steve Levitt’s favorite books, The Undercover Economist. …

14. Yul Kwon (Part 2): “Hey, Do You Have Any Bright Ideas?”

February 6th, 2021


He’s so fascinating that Steve Levitt brought him back for a second conversation. Yul Kwon currently works at Google, but he’s been a lawyer, …

13. Yul Kwon: “Don't Try to Change Yourself All at Once.”

January 30th, 2021


He has been a lawyer, an instructor at the F.B.I. Academy, the owner of a frozen-yogurt chain, and a winner of the TV show Survivor. Today, Kwon …

12. Sue Bird: “You Have to Pay the Superstars.”

January 23rd, 2021


She is one of the best basketball players ever. She’s won multiple championships, including four Olympic gold medals and four W.N.B.A. titles — the …

11. Paul Romer: “I Figured Out How to Get Myself Fired From the World Bank.”

January 9th, 2021


For many economists — Steve Levitt included — there is perhaps no greater inspiration than Paul Romer, the now-Nobel laureate who at a young age …

10. Suzanne Gluck: “I'm a Person Who Can Convince Other People to Do Things”

December 26th, 2020


She might not be a household name, but Suzanne Gluck is one of the most powerful people in the book industry. Her slush pile is a key entry point to …

9. Moncef Slaoui: "It’s Unfortunate That It Takes a Crisis for This to Happen"

December 12th, 2020


Born in Morocco and raised mostly by a single mother, Moncef Slaoui is now one of the world’s most influential scientists. As the head of Operation Warp Speed — the U.S. government’s Covid-19 vaccine program — Slaoui …

8. Peter Attia: “I Definitely Lost a Lot of IQ Points That Day”

November 28th, 2020


He’s been an engineer, a surgeon, a management consultant, and even a boxer. Now he’s a physician focused on the science of longevity. Peter Attia …

7. Caverly Morgan: "I Am Not This Voice. I Am Not This Narrative."

November 14th, 2020


She showed up late and confused to her first silent retreat, but Caverly Morgan eventually trained for eight years in silence at a Zen monastery. Now …

6. Nathan Myhrvold: “I Am Interested in Lots of Things, and That's Actually a Bad Strategy”

October 31st, 2020


He graduated high school at 14, and by 23 had several graduate degrees and was a research assistant with Stephen Hawking. He became the first chief …

5. Susan Wojcicki: “Hey, Let’s Go Buy YouTube!”

October 17th, 2020


She was the sixteenth employee at Google — a company once based in her garage — and now she's the C.E.O. of its best-known subsidiary, YouTube. But …

Steve Levitt: “I'm Not as Childlike as I'd Like to Be” (Bonus Episode)

October 10th, 2020


Steve Levitt has so far occupied the interviewer chair on this show, but in a special live event — recorded over Zoom and presented by WNYC and the Greene Space — the microphone is turned toward him. His Freakonomics …

4. Ken Jennings: “Don’t Neglect the Thing That Makes You Weird”

October 3rd, 2020


It was only in his late twenties that America’s favorite brainiac began to seriously embrace his love of trivia. Now he holds the “Greatest of All …

3. Kerwin Charles: “One Does Not Know Where an Insight Will Come From”

September 19th, 2020


The dean of Yale’s School of Management grew up in a small village in Guyana. During his unlikely journey, he has researched video-gaming habits, …

2. Mayim Bialik: “I Started Crying When I Realized How Beautiful the Universe Is”

September 5th, 2020


She’s best known for playing neurobiologist Amy Farrah Fowler on The Big Bang Theory, but the award-winning actress has a rich life outside of her …

1. Steven Pinker: "I Manage My Controversy Portfolio Carefully”

August 22nd, 2020


By cataloging the steady march of human progress, the Harvard psychologist and linguist has become a very public intellectual. But the self-declared …

Introducing “People I (Mostly) Admire”

July 31st, 2020


Steve Levitt has spent decades as an academic economist, “studying strange phenomena and human behavior in weird circumstances.” Now he’s turning his curiosity to something new: interviewing some of the most …

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