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Of Course I'm Not OK: The Podcast

73 EpisodesProduced by Katie MorellWebsite

Hosted by Karen Hawkins and Katie Morell, writers & longtime friends, this podcast explores mental health, creativity, & coping with quarantine. The goal: to help people feel less alone, share stores, & create connection.

73 Episodes | 2020 - 2022

71. Reimagining Dualistic Thinking with Dr. Tania Israel

January 17th, 2022


The fabulous Dr. Tania Israel is BAAACCCKK!!! On this week's show, Karen and Katie get into a really exciting conversation with Dr. Israel about …

70. Rest

January 10th, 2022


Listeners you are in for a TREAT today! On this week's show, Karen & Katie discuss the importance of rest in the middle of our New Year's …

69. (MINI POD) Reclaiming Past Joys

January 3rd, 2022


Happy 2022, Listeners! We hope you are all feeling great. On today's show, Karen and Katie talk about how it can be difficult to access joy at times …

68. (MINI POD) 2021 Time Capsule

December 27th, 2021


Happy Almost-New Year, Listeners! On this week's show, Karen and Katie discuss the things and experiences that they'd put in a 2021 time capsule. The …

67. (MINI POD) Celebrating Solstice Fabulousness

December 20th, 2021


Happy Winter Solstice, Listeners! For today, mini-pod episode, Karen and Katie chat about incredible solstice traditions. The pair also discuss …

66. Following Your Bliss

December 13th, 2021


Happy Mid-December, Listeners! In this week's episode, Karen and Katie discuss how we can all follow our bliss when it comes to dreaming big (even if …

65. Navigating The Fire

December 6th, 2021


Welcome back, Listeners! In today's show, Karen & Katie chat about how to deal when the universe seems to continue piling on not-so-ideal scenarios into our lives. The duo goes deep into talking about strategies …

64. Rage Revisited

November 22nd, 2021


Happy Thanksgiving, Listeners! This week, Karen and Katie get into a deep discussion about everything from travel (Katie once lived in Nepal, while Karen once lived in Cambodia!) to the VERY problematic history of …

63. Zooming Out & Maintenance

November 15th, 2021


Happy Monday, Gorgeous Listeners! In this week's episode, Karen & Katie chat about how healthy it can be to "zoom out" on our lives. This is a …

62. Social Fuel Tanks

November 8th, 2021


In this week's episode, Karen and Katie chat about the concept of social fuel tanks (i.e. what fills up our energy and makes us feel connected to humanity). Turns out, the things that fill each of us up are very …

61. Perspective Shifts As Life Shifts

November 1st, 2021


Hello, Listeners and welcome to the launch of SEASON 6!! In today's episode, Karen and Katie discuss how shifting our perspectives on life events can really make us feel differently (and often in the best possible …

60. Community

October 25th, 2021


What does it mean to cultivate community? How are we all thinking about community as we enter our second COVID winter? In this week's episode, Karen …

59. Quelling Negative Self-Talk with G.L.A.D

October 18th, 2021


Hello, Listeners! Karen & Katie have a great episode for you this week, one about the acronym G.L.A.D. Developed by mindfulness expert Donald …

58. Stopping The World

October 11th, 2021


Welcome back, Listeners! After a few weeks off, this week Karen and Katie discuss the concept of 'stopping the world' for major events in our lives. While most of the time those events tend to be negative, the pair …

57. Time Abundance & Time Scarcity

September 20th, 2021


Inspired by a recent tweet by Adam Grant, this week's episode centers around time abundance and time scarcity. What are these things, you ask?? Karen & Katie dive into the research-backed amount of time that is …

56. Pop Culture Palate Cleanser (with Brianna Wellen)

September 13th, 2021


Oh, Listeners, you are in for such a FUN episode! Today, Karen & Katie welcome back the fabulous Brianna Wellen (also known as one of the most …

55. Not Dreaming of Labor (Day)

September 6th, 2021


Happy Labor Day, Listeners! Today, Karen and Katie discuss their thoughts around Labor Day, what Labor Day means in 2021, and how people can find their passions in life. Thanks for listening!

54. MINI POD: Delta Real Talk

August 30th, 2021


Hellloooo Listeners - we hope you are all doing well this week. In today's episode, Karen and Katie get real in how they are feeling about recent news/world events, including the current Delta spike. What ensues is a …

53. The Case Against Multitasking

August 23rd, 2021


Get ready, Listeners, because Karen & Katie get INTO it in this episode on multitasking. The duo chat about a wide variety of topics, triggers, …

52. Cultivating Spaciousness, Teaching Dharma, & Pursing Creative Endeavors (with Prajna Sparks' co-hosts Dr. Tania Israel & Karma Yeshe Chödrön)

August 16th, 2021


Listeners - great news! The great Dr. Tania Israel is BAAACCCCKKKK and chatting with Karen and Katie for this week's pod. What's more: she's brought along her dear friend Karma Yeshe Chödrön to talk all about their …

51. Getting To The ROOT Of Our Feelings (+ A Chat About ANGER)

August 9th, 2021


Oooh, Listeners, you are in for a TREAT today! In this week's episode, Karen and Katie chat about how it can be challenging to excavate the WHY behind our feelings in any given moment. And then the pair go into an …

50. Our LIVE One-Year Anniversary Show!

August 2nd, 2021


Woot Woot! Today's episode is the recording of our LIVE one-year anniversary show, which took place on Tuesday, July 27, 2021. 

Huge thanks to …

49. The Case For Taking A Vacation Right Now

July 26th, 2021


Hello, Listeners! Karen & Katie are so excited today because TOMORROW (Tuesday, July 27th) is their LIVE (on Zoom) One-Year Anniversary Show!

48. Coffee Talk & Intuition

July 19th, 2021


On today's episode, Karen and Katie get into a deep conversation about how quitting caffeine has helped them in many aspects of their lives. They then dovetail that topic into the topic of intuition - something that is …

47. Turning A Crowd Corner

July 12th, 2021


Happy Monday, Listeners, and a HUGE HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE ONE AND ONLY KAREN HAWKINS! Our brilliant co-host, Karen, is celebrating another amazing …

46. Big Emotions

July 5th, 2021


Happy Monday, Listeners! This week, Karen and Katie are talking about how BIG EMOTIONS can creep into our minds when we least expect them and how to accept them and allow them to move through our bodies. Katie talks …


June 28th, 2021


Happy PRIDE, Everyone! 

In today's episode, Karen and Katie chat about Pride weekend and the importance of the worldwide festivities every June. They also talk about the concept of pride in ourselves, and being proud …

44. Aging

June 21st, 2021


Hello Listeners and thanks for tuning into this week's installment of Of Course I'm Not OK! Today, Karen & Katie chat about aging. They discuss Katie's recent 40th birthday - with all of it's ups and, well, not so …

43. Reunions & Caffeine Withdrawal

June 14th, 2021


Welcome back, Listeners! We are so glad you're here. In today's episode, Karen & Katie chat about their recent reunions with family and how they feel about easing back into socializing. They then go deep into the …

42. Living A Life Of Yes With Saya Hillman

May 24th, 2021


Get ready for an epic episode! This week, Karen and Katie welcome Saya (pronounced Sigh-A) Hillman, a.k.a. 'The Accessible Oprah,' for a far-reaching and very real conversation about living what Saya calls 'A Life Of …

41. MINI POD: Daydreaming As A Manifestation Tool

May 17th, 2021


Welcome to our first MINI POD, Listeners! In today's 15-minute episode, Karen & Katie chat about how daydreaming is a form of manifestation. They encourage everyone to be open to the energy of dreaming as a …

40. Emotional Pie Charts, Vacation Anxiety, & Reopening Feels

May 10th, 2021


Happy Mid-May, Listeners! in today's episode, Karen & Katie chat about a variety of topics, starting with their new practice of texting pie charts of their emotions to each other. The pair highly recommends others …

39. Languishing

May 3rd, 2021


Welcome to today's episode on languishing, inspired by the viral piece by psychologist Adam Grant in The New York Times! 

Karen & Katie GET INTO …

38. Erotica & Creativity with Rachel Kramer Bussel

April 26th, 2021


What a treat! In today's episode, Karen & Katie welcome the amazing Rachel Kramer Bussel, a wildly creative and kind person who is also the …

37. Coming in HOT for Season 4

April 19th, 2021


Welcome to this week's therapy session with Karen & Kate! It is also the first episode of Season 4 - woot woot! On today's show, the duo talk about how they are feeling about the newest vaccine news, what the ethics …

36. Radical Imagination For The Aftertimes

April 12th, 2021


Happy Vaccination Week! In today's episode, Karen & Katie chat about how they both got their vaccines this week, their feelings around going back into social situations (from two-person coffee dates to 500-person …

35. Pop Culture Brain Candy (with Brianna Wellen)

April 5th, 2021


Today's episode is SO MUCH FUN! Karen & Katie decide to add a little alcohol to the mix as they welcome Brianna Wellen, Chicago Reader's culture …

34. Restaurants Right Now (with Food People author & photographer Kristen Loken)

March 29th, 2021


For today's episode, Karen & Katie chat with Kristen Loken, author and photographer of the new book Food People Are The Best People! The trio discuss how restaurants are handling COVID, feedback from chefs, things …

33. Easing Back Into Life As We Knew It

March 22nd, 2021


As news of increased vaccine availability hits the airwaves, Karen & Katie are feeling a lot of feelings. 

Today, the pair talks about their considerations (and anxieties) around easing back into socializing. What …

32. Pandemic Grief & the COVID Anniversary (with writer Hope Edelman)

March 15th, 2021


Has anyone else been feeling a bit low lately? If so, the reason may surprise you. According to writer and grief expert Hope Edelman, many people experience a "dip in functioning" around the one-year anniversary of a …

31. International Women's Day

March 8th, 2021


Happy International Women's Day, Listeners! In today's episode, Karen & Katie chat about a wide range of topics relating to this special day. The pair touches on the many (MANY) real challenges that women face, and …

30. Body Love Masterclass with Dr. Renee Englen

March 1st, 2021


Anyone feeling some sort of way about their bodies these days (or every day)??? If so, this episode is for you. Today, Karen & Katie chat with …

29. Laughter

February 22nd, 2021


Thank goodness for laughter! In today’s episode, Karen & Katie muse about the benefits of cracking up and discuss their go-to strategies when they need a laugh. The pair also officially launches a movement towards a …

28. Comparison: The Joy Thief

February 15th, 2021


Today's episode is inspired by Teddy Roosevelt's famous quote: "Comparison is the thief of joy." (HELLO REALNESS!) Karen & Katie chat about how they both struggle with comparing themselves to others. Karen shares …

Surprise Bonus: Dr. Tania Israel Sings an Original Song about Intersectionality!

February 10th, 2021


Today we have a special surprise for you! Our amazing guest Dr. Tania Israel (Ep. 7 & 27) wrote a song about intersectionality to the tune of the …

27. Unity (Dr. Tania Israel RETURNS!)

February 8th, 2021


This week’s episode is a MUST LISTEN. One of Karen & Katie’s favorite guests, Dr. Tania Israel, returns to talk about unity. The discussion covers everything from how to talk with people across the aisle to how many …

26. Embracing Boredom

February 1st, 2021


Anyone else bored right about now? In today's episode, Karen & Katie discuss how they are dealing with their post-inauguration boredom, and how feelings of boredom can masquerade as feelings of depression(!!). The …

25. Inauguration Hangover (Season 3 Kickoff!)

January 25th, 2021


YAY & OOF! In today's episode, Karen & Katie are embracing the concept that "both things can be true" of many situations by explaining their mixed feelings about the beginning of the Biden Administration. They …

24. Escapism (Season 2 Finale!)

January 18th, 2021


Happy Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, Listeners!

This week, Karen & Katie start the pod by talking a bit about their anxiety around Wednesday's inauguration day (if you'd like to skip that and go right into our topic …

23. Bringing Back The Mental Health Day

January 11th, 2021


In today's episode, Karen & Katie discuss the importance of taking mental health days off from work - especially after last week's batshit news from Washington, D.C. The pair talk about the importance of paying …

22. Lessons We're Bringing Into The New Year

January 4th, 2021


Happy New Year, Listeners! In today's episode, Karen & Katie chat about lessons from 2020 that they are intentionally bringing into 2021. Saying yes to saying no (without explanation)! Boundaries on time & …

21. 2020 Time Capsule

December 28th, 2020


If you had to bottle up a few items/experiences/memories from 2020 to open in future, what would they be? In today's episode, Karen & Katie …

20. Embrace Your Unique Gifts For The Hell Of It

December 21st, 2020


Happy Christmas week, Listeners! In today’s episode, Karen & Katie discuss how important for us all to embrace our unique gifts …

19. Showing Up For Ourselves & Others Right Now

December 14th, 2020


In this time of socially-distanced everything, today Karen & Katie discuss how to show up for family & friends when we can’t just bop over for a physical hug. The pair share strategies that are working for them …

18. The Power of Rituals (Even in Quarantine)

December 7th, 2020


Happy Monday, Listeners! In today’s episode, Karen & Katie discuss rituals – how they are being performed right now (funerals, birthdays, you name it), the brain science behind them, & how creating daily rituals …

17. Creating Space For Joy & Gratitude

November 23rd, 2020


Are you feeling joy right now but afraid to admit it with so many challenges facing the world? If so, you aren't alone! In this week's episode, Karen & Katie make a case for the importance of embracing joy (even in …

16. Sanity-Saving Tips For Winter (with Writer & Editor Kate Silver)

November 16th, 2020


Wondering how you're going to stay sane during this quarantine-heavy winter? Join the club! Thankfully, in today's podcast, Karen & Katie chat …

15. Self-Care

November 9th, 2020


Phew, what a week! In today's episode, Karen & Katie discuss how they were doing during the anxiety-ridden election week, what self-care practices helped them most, & ruminate on the concept of owning, without …

14. Batlight Activism (w/Tamara Lefcowitz & Randie Pearson of United Steelworkers Union)

November 2nd, 2020


Politics & voting & run-ins with the Secret Service, OH MY!

In today's pre-election episode, Karen & Katie talk with the incredible

13. Season 2 Kickoff & Topic Smorgasbord

October 26th, 2020


After three weeks away, Karen & Katie are BACK with Season 2 of Of Course I’m Not OK. In today’s episode, they unveil this project as a podcast (vs. an audio project), chat about topics they’ll be covering in this …

12. Fighting Perfection & Doing The Thing (Season 1 Finale!)

October 5th, 2020


It’s our Season 1 Finale!

In this week's episode, Karen & Kate reflect on the journey of starting this Audio Project, things they learned, & topics they were too afraid to discuss (sex, for one!). They talk about …

11. Mental Health Master Class (with Naiylah Warren, LMFT)

September 28th, 2020


Get ready to take notes! On this week's episode, Karen & Katie do a mental health deep dive with Brooklyn, N.Y.-based Naiylah Warren, LMFT. The …

10. Firing Inner Bullies, Manifesting Dreams, & Fighting Fears (with Lisa Pepper-Satkin, MFT)

September 21st, 2020


If you're having a hard week, this episode is for YOU. Karen & Katie chat with Lisa Pepper-Satkin, MFT, founder of Integrated Therapeutic …

9. Emotional Resetting Amid The Apocalypse

September 14th, 2020


Anyone else finding themselves throwing their hands in the air & yelling into the void? On this week's episode, Karen & Katie discuss strategies on how to reset emotionally when it feels like the world is …

8. Kindness During Stressful Times

September 7th, 2020


What does it mean to be kind (to ourselves & others) during these trying times? In today's episode, Katie admits to road rage, Karen discusses …

7. Navigating Difficult Political Conversations (with Dr. Tania Israel)

August 31st, 2020


Anyone else struggling with tense political conversations?! Worried that those conversations may cause the end to some of cherished relationships? If …

6. Insomnia

August 24th, 2020


Is anyone else losing sleep these days? In this week's episode, Karen & Katie discuss their struggles with insomnia. Katie explains her 'Hunger Games'-style dreams, Karen shares the horrors of waking up to a jarring …

5. Taking BIG Leaps (with Artist Erinn M. Cox)

August 17th, 2020


Our first guest joins us today! Have you ever thought of leaving your job and/or moving to a new city/state/country? In today's episode, Karen & Katie chat with the incredible Erinn M. Cox, someone who has done …

4. So. Many. Feelings.

August 10th, 2020


Anyone else feeling all the feels right now? In today's episode, Karen and Katie discuss how they are handling their deluge of feelings at this point in the pandemic, and chat about the benefits of therapy. Katie also …

3. Coping With Uncertainty During Quarantine

August 3rd, 2020


Are you thinking of making a major life change right now? In today's episode, Karen & Katie discuss making massive life shifts during this time of uncertainty, Katie uses a chicken metaphor to describe her partner, …

2. Rage

July 27th, 2020


Rage, anyone? In this episode, Karen and Katie discuss why it's so hard to express anger, what's making them filled with rage these days (gummy …

1. Introduction - Of Course I'm Not OK: An Audio Project

July 27th, 2020


Welcome to Of Course I'm Not OK: An Audio Project. 

Today's episode is an introduction to this audio project (not yet a podcast). Hosts Karen Hawkins & Katie Morell discuss their mission to uncover real …

Trailer - Of Course I'm Not OK: An Audio Project

July 27th, 2020


Welcome to Of Course I'm Not OK: An Audio Project. This project (not yet a podcast) is hosted by Katie Morell & Karen Hawkins, writers and long distance friends. 

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