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Money In, Money Out

40 EpisodesProduced by Susan E GunnWebsite

All 21st Century healthcare practices (dental, veterinary, chiropractic, and medical) use two software for a complete accounting system.Based on over 24 years of guiding these practices to a greater understanding in their financial organization and flow, and the book of the same name, Susan Gunn bri… read more


Lies Breed Lies

In this episode Susan talks with us about the rationale of those who embezzle. Inspired by two articles Susan read lately, Susan takes a hard look at just a small fraction of the CARES Act fraud cases. We see how lies breed lies, but Susan lets us in on some insider knowledge, and that is honesty can ultimately breed honesty. The choice is in how we lead our lives.

Episode Highlights

  • Lies breed lies
  • CARES Act fraud cases
  • Dentistry Today’s Leader in Consulting 


“Lying and dishonest acts go hand in hand.”

“The more often that person lies, the less often that aversion signal is received by the brain.”

“Lies breed lies.”

“He was previously charged with fraud, while he was released he was changed with 4 counts of bank robbery.”

“Not one dime was used for payroll. As a taxpayer I am pissed - that was my money he stole.” 

“They received 17 million in PPP funding.  He filed 15 fraudulent PPP applications under various businesses that he didn’t own or control, under 8 lenders, for a total of 24 million dollars.”

“He was trying to destroy those records by flushing them down the toilet while the investigators searched his home.”

“I simply love doing what I do.” 

“Honesty can breed honesty.” 

“Lead with integrity.” 


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