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Money In, Money Out

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All 21st Century healthcare practices (dental, veterinary, chiropractic, and medical) use two software for a complete accounting system.Based on over 24 years of guiding these practices to a greater understanding in their financial organization and flow, and the book of the same name, Susan Gunn bri… read more


In The Embezzlement News: Dixon, IL with Janice Janssen

This week on Money In Money Out, Susan Gunn is joined by Janice Janssen for another episode of In The Embezzlement News!  This embezzlement scandal takes place in Dixon, Illinois, where the City Comptroller steals millions, forcing the city to the brink of budget failure. To date this case is known as the largest municipal fraud in US history. 

Episode Highlights

  • Kathe Swanson - The Whistleblower
  • Rita A. Crundwell - The Embezzler
  • Mayor Jim Burke - The Mayor and Confidant of Kathe 
  • How Rita embezzled 
  • How Rita got caught
  • How to avoid embezzlement
  • How Dixon is recovering


“If a fraud of this magnitude can happen in Dixon, it can happen anywhere.” 

“There were years the city had to take out loans to cover the amount she stole.” 

“We both said good Lord Almighty, she STARTED with a 181k dollar theft! Dental embezzlers are brazen but have never started out with a theft so high!” 

“You would be surprised how often we find records where the embezzlers are keeping track of how much they have stolen.” 

“They said it would take her 120+ years to pay the restitution.” 

“She had 400 horses on 22 farms in 13 states.” 

“She liked her jewelry gaudy.” 

“There is a lot of misplaced trust that the bank is watching, but they are not watching as much as you think they might be.” 

“Managing your own business is really the most effective tool for oversight.”

“It is so important to have an outside entity review your information.” 

“Trust without verification can lead to betrayal.” 

Links & Resources 

Nobody Told Me That podcast: Fruitcakes & Fraud: The Collin Street Bakery Embezzlement

All The Queen's Horses movie about Rita Crundwell

Lies Breed Lies podcast about current EIDL & PPP fraud


Reach Janice at

Or call 844-664-4487


Susan’s Website: 

Or call 888-994-3167

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