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Interviews with writers, journalists, filmmakers, and podcasters about how they do their work. Hosted by Aaron Lammer, Max Linsky, and Evan Ratliff.


Episode 352: Jenny Odell

Jenny Odell is a multidisciplinary artist and the author of How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy.

“I’ve noticed that the times I’m extra susceptible to being on social media is when I am feeling personally insecure or when I’m dealing with existential dread. That within itself is not part of the attention economy—that’s just a human being having feelings and reacting to things. For me, it’s a question of like, ‘What do I do with that?’ I can either feed it back into the attention economy and actually get more of it back—more anxiety or more existential dread—or I can go in this other direction and spend time alone or with people who care about the same things. Those are places where I can bring my feelings and they won’t destroy me.”

Thanks to Mailchimp, Substack, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week's episode.

  1. @the_jennitaur
  3. Jenny Odell on Longform
  4. [00:49] How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy (Melville House • 2019)
  5. [00:51] ”How To Do Nothing” transcript of keynote talk (Medium • 2017)
  6. [01:10] “A Business With No End” (New York Times • 2018)
  7. [02:30] Evan Ratliff on Cointalk
  8. [02:42] The Mastermind: Drugs. Empire. Murder. Betrayal. (Evan Ratliff • Random House • 2019)
  9. [03:18] “There’s No Such Thing As A Free Watch” (Museum of Capitalism • 2017)
  10. [05:05] The Bureau of Suspended Objects
  11. [16:55] Gordon Hempton’s “Desert Thunder”
  12. [29:27] Radical Technologies: The Design of Everyday Life (Adam Greenfield • Verso • 2017)
  13. [37:32] Braiding Sweetgrass (Robin Wall Kimmerer • Milkweed Editions • 2015)
  14. [39:25] “Notes of a Bioregional Interloper” (SFMOMA • 2017)
  15. [53:30] Mark Lombardi’s drawings
  16. [56:40] “On How to Grow an Idea” (Creative Independent • 2018)

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