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Leaders Talk - Better Leadership. Better Organizations. Better World

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Leaders Talk is an interview podcast in English and German to portrait leaders from various fields who are committed to better leadership, better organizations and a better world. Our guests are business and thought-leaders, social entrepreneurs and politicians. We talk about their personal stories … read more


Ep. 33: Zoe Cohen, why is real change so hard?

Leaders Talk – with Zoe Cohen. Zoe is a Coach, Consultant, a Climate and Social Activist with Extinction Rebellion UK and calls herself a truth-teller. She is an inspiring person who has made it her goal to do everything she can to make our world a better place and who would even go to jail for her beliefs.

In our Podcast she walks us through her life story and tells us how she developed from being a manager to a coach and finally to a climate and social activist and how her thinking changed along the way. She talks to Karsten Drath about the need of degrowth, about what is limited on our earth and what is not and why we have to think generations ahead. She tells us why not enough people have become active yet and why “polite, non-disruptive stuff doesn’t change anything”.

The topics in the podcast with Zoe Cohen:

- Zoe Cohen tries to describe herself (4:19)

- Zoe tells us why just protesting doesn’t work (8:55)

- She talks about the Idea of Citizens Assembly (14:14)

- Zoe tells us why we have to think generations ahead (18:44)

- She tells us about the Global Assembly (23:16)

- She talks about why it is so hard to change the way we live (32:20)

- Zoe talks about focusing on human needs (35:44)

- She talks about the need for degrowth and Planetary Boundaries (38:33)

- Zoe tells us about her biography (46:00)

- Zoe tells us about working in the National Health Service (55:00)

- Zoe talks about the Problems of our System (58:00)

- Zoe tells us about eye opening moments (1:03:10)

- She tells us that everything is connected (1:24:26)

- Zoe thinks about what can be done (1:26:05)

- Zoe tells us what to fight peacefully for (1:32:58)

- Zoe tells us what’s next (1:33:33)

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Guest: Zoe Cohen

Host: Karsten Drath

Production & Editorial: Hannah Jandl & Daniela Magnani Hüller

Research & Preparation: Tabea Zeller & Lena Wokurka

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