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Justice In America

49 EpisodesProduced by The AppealWebsite

Justice in America, hosted by Josie Duffy Rice and Clint Smith, is a podcast for everyone interested in criminal justice reform— from those new to the system to experts who want to know more. Each episode we cover a new criminal justice issue. We explain how it works and look at its impact on people… read more

49 Episodes | 2018 - 2020

Episode 30: A Conversation with Rodney Spivey-Jones and Max Kenner

April 29th, 2020

1:06:35

In January 2020 Josie Duffy Rice and her producer, Florence Barrau-Adams, traveled to Fishkill Correctional Facility in Beacon New York to interview Rodney Spivey-Jones and Max Kenner. Max is the founder and Executive …

Episode 29: Schools in Prison

April 22nd, 2020

1:14:19

On this episode of Justice in America, Josie Duffy Rice and her co-host Derecka Purnell talk about education in prisons. They'll discuss the impact of having access to education, the dire lack of available programming, …

Dyjuan Tatro and Wes Caines’ Book Recommendations

April 22nd, 2020

3:22

Wesley Caines is the Chief of Staff at the Bronx Defenders and an alum of the Bard Prison Initiative or BPI and Dyjuan Tatro, works at the Bard Prison Initiative as their Government Affairs Officer and he’s also an …

Interviewing the creators of College Behind Bars

April 22nd, 2020

37:07

In this bonus episode, Josie Duffy Rice and her co-host Derecka Purnell talk to Lynn Novick and Sarah Botstein, the creators of College Behind Bars.

Lynn Novick and Sarah Botstein's Book Recommendations

April 22nd, 2020

3:19

Director Lynn Novick and Producer Sarah Botstein, the creators of College Behind Bars, join hosts Josie Duffy Rice and Derecka Purnell to talk about …

Episode 28: School to Prison Pipeline

April 15th, 2020

1:11:10

What is the school to prison pipeline, and how is it affecting children across America? On this episode of Justice in America, Josie and her co-host, …

Judith Browne Dianis’ Book Recommendation

April 15th, 2020

1:00

Judith Browne Dianis is the Executive Director of the Advancement Project. Judith joined host Josie Duffy Rice to talk about her reading recommendations.

For show notes and more information please check out theappeal.org

Episode 27: Junk Forensic Science

April 8th, 2020

1:06:01

Everyone who has ever watched a crime procedural believes that forensic science is the most reliable way to tell whether someone is guilty or not. But is that true? The reality is that a lot of forensic science is not …

Radley Balko's Book Recommendation

April 8th, 2020

1:28

Radley Balko is an opinion journalist at the Washington Post and author of The Cadaver and the Country Dentist.  Radley joined host Josie Duffy Rice to talk about his reading recommendation.

For show notes and more …

Episode 26: The Privatization of Prisons

April 1st, 2020

1:07:10

On this episode of Justice Podcast, Josie Duffy Rice and guest co-host Donovan Ramsey look at the privatization of America’s criminal legal system. They go beyond just private prisons and look at all the ways the system …

Bianca Tylek's Book Recommendation

April 1st, 2020

1:33

Bianca Tylek is the Executive Director of Worth Rises, a non-profit advocacy organization dedicated to dismantling the prison industry and ending the exploitation of those it touches. Bianca joined host Josie Duffy Rice …

Episode 25: Conversation with Sherrilyn Ifill

March 25th, 2020

53:21

On this episode of Justice in America, Josie Duffy Rice and her guest co-host, Darnell Moore, talk to Sherrilyn Ifill about policing, civil rights, …

Sherrilyn Ifill's Book Recommendations

March 25th, 2020

3:45

Sherrilyn Ifill is the President and Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund (LDF), the nation’s premier civil rights law organization. Sherrilyn joined hosts Josie Duffy Rice and Darnell Moore …

Episode 24: Death Penalty

March 18th, 2020

54:56

On this episode of Justice in America, Josie Duffy Rice, and guest co-host Darnell Moore, focus on the death penalty. Capital punishment remains one of the cruelest aspects of America’s criminal legal system. In …

State Attorney Aramis Ayala Book Recommendations

March 18th, 2020

2:10

Aramis Ayala is the State Attorney for the Ninth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida. State Attorney Ayala joined Josie Duffy Rice to talk about her book recommendations.

For show notes and more information please check …

Episode 23: Criminalizing Mothers

March 11th, 2020

1:09:45

One of the most devastating collateral consequences for someone involved in the criminal justice system is the potential destruction of their family …

Emma Ketteringham's Book Recommendation

March 11th, 2020

1:29

Emma Ketteringham is the Managing Director of the Bronx Defenders Family Defense Practice. Emma joined Josie to talk about her book recommendation.

For show notes and more resources, please visit theappeal.org.

Episode 22: Probation and Parole

March 4th, 2020

57:34

About 2.3 million people are incarcerated in America, but about 6.7 million people are under some form of correctional control. The difference …

LaTonya Tate’s Book Recommendation

March 4th, 2020

1:07

LaTonya Tate is the Executive Director and Founder of Alabama Justice Initiative based in Birmingham, Alabama. LaTonya joined Josie to talk about her book recommendation.

For show notes and more resources, please visit

Alicia Garza's Book Recommendation

February 26th, 2020

0:51

Alicia Garza is an activist, writer, and organizer, who currently serves as Principal at Black Futures Lab. She is a co-founder of Black Lives Matter.  

Alicia joined host Josie Duffy Rice to talk about her book …

Episode 21: Police Accountability

February 26th, 2020

1:08:10

As civilians, how do we hold the police responsible for wrongdoing? On the first episode of Season 3, Josie Duffy and co-host Darnell Moore discuss …

10 Questions Bonus: Derecka Purnell

February 19th, 2020

23:48

The third season of Justice in America launches February 26. You can find it on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, SoundCloud, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hosted by Josie Duffy Rice, president of The Appeal, each episode …

10 Questions Bonus: Zak Cheney Rice

February 19th, 2020

15:21

The third season of Justice in America launches February 26. You can find it on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, SoundCloud, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hosted by Josie Duffy Rice, president of The Appeal, each episode …

10 Questions Bonus: Josie Duffy Rice

February 19th, 2020

14:00

The third season of Justice in America launches February 26. You can find it on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, SoundCloud, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hosted by Josie Duffy Rice, president of The Appeal, each episode …

10 Questions Bonus: Donovan X. Ramsey

February 19th, 2020

11:40

The third season of Justice in America launches February 26. You can find it on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, SoundCloud, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hosted by Josie Duffy Rice, president of The Appeal, each episode …

10 Questions Bonus: Darnell Moore

February 19th, 2020

9:52

The third season of Justice in America launches February 26. You can find it on Apple Podcast, Stitcher, SoundCloud, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hosted by Josie Duffy Rice, president of The Appeal, each episode …

Season 3 Welcome!

February 12th, 2020

1:54

Justice in America is a podcast for everyone interested in criminal justice reform— from those new to the system to experts who want to know more. Each episode we cover a new criminal justice issue. We explain how it …

Episode 20: Mariame Kaba and Prison Abolition

March 20th, 2019

1:11:03

On the last episode of Season 2, Josie and Clint discuss prison abolition with Mariame Kaba, one of the leading activists and organizers in the fight …

Episode 19: Restorative Justice

March 13th, 2019

1:03:50

On this episode, we talk about an alternative to the traditional criminal adversarial process: restorative justice. Restorative justice focuses on repairing the harm caused by wrongdoing, and values reconciliation, …

Episode 18: Whatever happened to Clemency?

March 6th, 2019

59:34

The pardon power is one of the strongest presidential powers in our constitution. The president alone has the ability to pardon or commute the sentence of any person convicted of a federal offense. (For those convicted …

Episode 17: Felony Murder

February 27th, 2019

1:02:44

In prisons across America, people are serving decades-long sentences for crimes they didn’t commit. Some face a life sentence or even the death penalty. Yet there is no hope of exoneration because technically, these …

Episode 16: A Conversation with Kim Foxx

February 20th, 2019

55:21

Today we are talking to Kim Foxx, the head prosecutor of Cook County in Illinois. Cook County, which includes 135 separate municipalities including …

Episode 15: Crime, Justice, and the Media

February 13th, 2019

1:09:59

News stories about crime are found in every local paper or evening newscast nationwide. But stories about our criminal justice system are much less common. So how does the way the media report on crime affect our …

Episode 14: Citizens United, Judicial Elections, and Mass Incarceration

February 6th, 2019

59:20

How do judges affect mass incarceration, and what role do judicial elections play? Today we’re looking at a topic that doesn’t get a lot of attention …

Episode 13: Juvenile Justice

January 30th, 2019

1:01:59

America has one of the harshest juvenile justice systems on the planet and is the only country in the world that sentences children to life without …

Episode 12: The Criminalization of Poverty

January 23rd, 2019

1:00:00

On this episode, we explore the countless ways the criminal justice system criminalizes poverty—and homelessness in particular. From what is …

Episode 11: Public Defense

January 16th, 2019

1:06:35

On our first episode of season 2, we talk about one of the most important players in the criminal justice system – the public defender. What does it mean to be a public defender in America? Why do we have the right to …

Justice In America Season 2 Welcome!

January 12th, 2019

1:01

Each show we discuss a topic in the American criminal justice system and try to explain what it is and how it works.

Season 2 we’ll be discussing everything from public defense to the death penalty to juvenile justice …

Episode 10: A Conversation with Ta-Nehisi Coates

September 26th, 2018

1:03:43

For our last episode of the season, we are thrilled to have Ta-Nehisi Coates—an author and journalist who has published some of the most important and incisive work of our time, from A Case for Reparations to Between …

Episode 9: How Democrats and Republicans Created Mass Incarceration

September 19th, 2018

48:50

There are a few schools of thought regarding the origins of mass incarceration. Some blame Reagan and his” war on drugs,” while others blame Bill …

Episode 8: Crimmigration

September 12th, 2018

54:35

Historically immigration law and criminal law have functioned separately. But over the past few decades, we’ve seen them slowly merge, as the criminalization of immigrants increased. Now, under Trump, that …

Episode 7: The New American Prosecutor

September 5th, 2018

49:41

Over the past few years there’s been a growing movement, led by groups like Color of Change and National People’s Action, whose goal is to elect …

Episode 6 - The Victims of Mass Incarceration

August 29th, 2018

1:05:25

Often, when people talk about the criminal justice system, they talk in big numbers— the millions of people serving time, the billions of dollars …

Episode 5: Excluded from Democracy

August 22nd, 2018

59:58

For an estimated 6.1 million Americans with felony convictions, their punishment extends all the way to the ballot box. In 48 states, people with felony convictions are barred from voting, either temporarily or …

Episode 4: A conversation with John Legend

August 15th, 2018

32:34

John Legend isn’t just one of the most talented musicians of our time—he’s also a leading activist on criminal justice reform. On this episode, Justice in America talks to Legend, singer, songwriter, actor, producer, …

Episode 3: Who Built Mass Incarceration? Prosecutors

August 8th, 2018

50:37

Who has had the biggest impact on the growth of our incarceration system? It’s not the judge, the jury, or the legislator. It’s not the police, and …

Episode 2: The 94% - Plea deals

August 1st, 2018

1:00:51

TV courtroom dramas would have you believe that the trial is a major part of the criminal justice process. But most defendants don’t go to trial. …

Episode 1: Justice for the Rich, Money Bail

July 25th, 2018

51:45

States and cities across the nation are talking about reforming the money bail system. But what does that mean? What exactly is bail? Who does it harm and who does it benefit?  And does bail reform really work? On our …

Welcome to Justice In America

July 11th, 2018

1:40

Each show we discuss a topic in the American criminal justice system and try to explain what it is and how it works.

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