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Welcome to IndoctriNation: A weekly podcast covering cults, manipulators, and protecting yourself from systems of control.


Some Kind Of Magic Path To Healing w/ Jolie Holland, ex-JW - S3E5pt2

In the 2nd part of Rachel's interview with Jolie Holland, the two discuss Jolie's decision to leave the Jehovah's Witnesses behind, the fallout with her family that happened as a result, and how her experiences in the cult help inform her art and music. They also discuss coping mechanisms for dealing with the pain and trauma of leaving a controlling group behind.

Stay tuned, Before You Go: Rachel discusses some of the feedback she received from last week's episode, and shares a few stories about how insecurities can betray us. We tend to push them to the side rather than questioning them.

Follow Jolie at and check her music out at

If you're looking for therapy, be sure to check out: or give her office a ring at 818-907-0036. Thanks!

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