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Welcome to IndoctriNation: A weekly podcast covering cults, manipulators, and protecting yourself from systems of control.


Shrink Chicks Crossover Episode w/Emmalee Bierly, LMFT & Jennifer Chaiken, LMFT

Licensed Marriage and Family Therapists, and Co-owners of The Therapy Group, Emmalee Bierly and Jennifer Chaiken are the hosts of Shrink Chicks Podcast. They invited Rachel on their show after seeing her in the STARZ documentary Seduced. They ask Rachel about how she got started in the field of cult psychology, the complications of providing therapy to vulnerable cult survivors, and the lack of educational opportunities for therapists interested in this specialized field. Rachel also speaks about the need for more professionals to join the field to meet the needs of survivors and provides some great advice for the family and friends of people caught up in high control groups.

Before You Go: Rachel shares a preview of our new Patreon exclusive segment, The Weekly Check-In which will be available every Friday on Patreon to all levels of supporters. Sign up for any amount to access these exclusive recordings at

Thanks to our newest supporters: Djamilla, Todd Brown, and Jeanie Gaskill

For more information on Emmalee and Jennifer, or to hear more episodes of Shrink Chicks please visit:

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