Seth Nelson is a Tampa based family lawyer known for devising creative solutions to difficult problems. In How to Split a Toaster, Nelson and co-host Pete Wright take on the challenge of divorce with a central objective — saving your most important relationships with your family, your former spouse,… read more
Rediscovering Purpose After Divorce
In this thoughtful episode, Seth and Pete explore the journey of finding meaning after divorce. They're joined by …
Overcoming Narcissistic Abuse in Relationships
This week's episode dives deep into the warning signs of narcissism, how to protect yourself if you're in a relationship with a narcissist – or trying to get out of one – …
Navigating Co-Parenting of a Child with Special Needs
In this episode of How to Split a Toaster, Seth and Pete dive into a challenging listener question about co-parenting a child with special needs after divorce. They …
Navigating the Intersection of Immigration and Divorce Law
Divorce is complicated enough, but what happens when immigration status enters the picture? This week, Seth and Pete aim to provide guidance on navigating this …
On this episode of How to Split a Toaster, hosts Seth Nelson and Pete Wright speak with licensed marriage and family therapist Linda Hershman. They …
Learn How to Write Your Own Apologies and Move Forward After Divorce
In this week’s episode, Seth and Pete chat with relationship expert Bethany …
Overcoming Childhood Trauma and Building Healthy Relationships
In this informative episode, Seth and Pete welcome special guest Riana Milne, a relationship expert and trauma counselor. They have an enlightening …
How Snoring Can Lead to Divorce
In this episode of How to Split a Toaster, hosts Seth Nelson and Pete Wright explore the connections between poor sleep, snoring, and divorce. Their guest is Alex Neist, creator of Hostage …
Planning Your Finances for Life After Divorce
Ending a marriage brings major financial changes. In this week’s episode of How to Split a Toaster, hosts Seth Nelson and Pete Wright talk with financial planner Stacy …
Finding Humor and Healing Through Hard Times
In this How to Split a Toaster episode, hosts Seth Nelson and Pete Wright interview comedian, podcaster, …
Overcoming Cult Manipulation and an Impossible Divorce
Peter Young joins hosts Seth Nelson and Pete Wright to share his harrowing experience getting …
Seth Nelson and Pete Wright explore a deeply sensitive subject—dealing with mental illness within a marriage. Scot and Emily McKay, bestselling authors, podcasters, and BMX champions, bring their own experiences to the …
In this enlightening episode of "How to Split a Toaster," hosts Seth and Pete are joined by acclaimed expert Julie Coraccio to explore the art of …
Shedding Self Judgment in Favor of Self Love
Getting lost in a marriage happens for a variety of reasons – you grow apart from your spouse, your kids move out, other changes happen in your lives. But at the end of the …
Divorcing When Also in Business Together
Florida family law attorney A.J. Grossman joins Seth and Pete today to tackle the complexities of getting a divorce when you’re in business with your spouse. It’s complicated, but …
Learning to Communicate with a Narcissist
Narcissist Divorce Coach Victoria McCooey joins Seth and Pete to talk about the challenges that come when trying to get out of a marriage to a narcissist. It’s not easy! We walk …
Why Is It So Hard to Take the High Road?
In the last decade, Andy Heller wrote two books on real estate investing while running an international freight forwarding company. So why is he the guest on this episode? Well... …
Today, we’re talking about resilience. It’s an easy word to throw around when you’re feeling strong, but when you’re confronted with divorce, finding that same strength can feel impossible. Michelle Dickinson is a …
NLG Family Law associate attorney Tia Rowe joins Pete to talk about two important topics to help those going through a divorce – legal research and …
We’re challenging stereotypes and taking on a question you might just be asking if you’re on the hunt for representation: Do you need an asshole …
Seth is still away so we’re going to be inviting various people from NLG Family Law to sit in with Pete and take on some other listener questions …
Seth is still away so we’re going to be inviting various people from NLG Family Law to sit in with Pete and take on some other questions about divorce. In today’s episode, attorney Sterling Lovelady joins Pete to talk …
Meet Judge Wesley Tibbals
May it please the court! In this week’s classic rebroadcast, we’ve got a special guest today who knows a thing or two about the workings of divorce court, and that’s because he’s a judge! That’s …
Rhonda Noordyk is the host of the Divorce Conversations for Women Podcast and CEO of the Women’s Financial Wellness Center. In her work, she helps women ask tough questions so that they get the answers that they need to …
Welcome to Summer! It's that time of year we love to celebrate by taking just a few weeks off to plan, rebuild, and get refreshed for a new season in the fall. So we have a few episodes from the archives to share with …
It’s time to end our seventh season and what better way than to answer some of your questions! We’ve had a wide variety come in and tackle a number …
But What Do the Kids Think?
According to our guest today, divorce is a monster under kids beds. In her ongoing film project, Ellen Bruno is putting kids’ voices first, hearing how a group of young people view divorce …
You’re done with your divorce. That means you’re done with lawyers, right? Not necessarily! In today’s episode, Seth and Pete talk about a few cases in which you may need to talk to a lawyer again – if you want to …
The role of a parent coordinator is to assist co-parents in resolving disputes and making decisions related to their children, particularly in the …
The vocational evaluation is a process used sparingly in divorce, but if you’ve been through one, you know how challenging it can be. It’s a process used in divorce cases to assess the earning potential of a spouse who …
Winning Your Divorce with the exExperts T.H. Irwin and Jessica Klingbaum
Two friends who ended up getting divorced at the same time, Jessica and T.H. were frustrated as they tried finding a single source for help with …
Dealing With Divorce When You’re a Highly Sensitive Person
Nearly 30% of us are highly sensitive people – or HSPs – and if you count yourself in that group, it makes divorce a materially different experience. Today on …
Why Is It So Hard to Not Be an A-Hole Sometimes?
Brian Ronalds is back, author behind the How Not to Be an A-Hole series! On today’s episode, Brian …
Women are superior to men.
Today on the show we're talking about gender. We hear a lot of he-said/she-said in the divorce process. But what's really going on between the men and women in relationships that are breaking …
Parenal Alienation: What’s Really in the Best Interest of the Kids?
A listener wrote in, asking us to discuss in greater detail the concept of parental alienation. Many mainstream scientific groups say it’s not a …
Forensic Accounting and Your Divorce
Today we’re going hunting for your money. Tracy Coenen is the forensic accountant behind The Divorce Money Guide, …
When Co-Parenting Just Won’t Work
“Divorce is not inherently bad for the child. Conflict is.”
In today’s episode, Seth and Pete talk about the challenges of parenting when divorced parents just can’t make things work. …
Common Misconceptions in Divorce? Yeah, There Are Just a Few...
Last week, we read a note from a listener asking to clear up some common misconceptions in the world of divorce. Today, we’ve invited Sterling Lovelady, one …
The African American Perspective on Divorce
Mike Easterling, co-host of the Just Being Brothers podcast, joins Seth and Pete to talk about the black perspective on divorce, as well as gray divorce. How does being black …
WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE AN IMPOSTOR
Today, we’re talking about impostor syndrome and your divorce. What does it mean to see yourself as an impostor? You’ll start to doubt your own abilities and decisions. You’ll struggle when …
When Your Hormone Levels May Be Impacting Your Marriage
Today we’re talking about menopause. Sure, it’s a natural biological process and eventually, …
Do Dogs Need Visitation After a Divorce?
Listener favorite Karis Nafte is back! In this episode, she’s talking to Seth and Pete about the challenges of sorting out visitation when it comes to the family pet. Some dogs …
Slaying the DRAGON
Diane Dierks and Rick Voyles from the Co-Parenting Dilemmas podcast join Seth and Pete today to teach us how parents can reframe conflict. Diane is a licensed marriage and family therapist, as well as …
What to do when your Toaster’s feeding you waffles?
In this episode, Dr. Katie Nall, two-time TedX speaker, mathematician, and Accredited Master Trainer & Practitioner of the Emotional Freedom Technique, otherwise …
Today we’re talking about the value of time. Specifically, what is the value of taking time to understand yourself before taking action on your relationship?
To help us work through a 90-day plan to clear the decks and …
If your ability to maintain your intimate relationship with your partner is one of the bumps on your road to divorce, then you need to keep listening because today we’re taking on one of the big ones: your sex life.
Dr. …
If we know anything about divorce, it’s that if you’re not completely on the same page, you’re likely going to carry some blame baggage with you into your new, post-divorce life. The size of that baggage might just …
Co-Parenting in the Movies
We’re ending the season with yet another podcast crossover episode. Once again, our producer Andy Nelson, who co-hosts The Next Reel Film Podcast with Pete, joins us for a movie list …
‘Tis the Season... for Co-Parenting Conflict!
No parent wants to deal with emergency motion handling orders or duty judges on the holidays, but it …
Brian Ronalds is an actor turned writer/producer/director and is half of “The Ronalds Brothers." You can see Brian in the horror-comedy, Netherbeast Incorporated, directed by his brother, Dean, and in many other credits …
You're doing all the right things, all the things your team has told you to do: you’re facing the prospect of divorce head-on. But when the process …
Following up on last week’s conversation about dividing personal property, we realized that pets are considered property too. But you can’t actually …
Meet Deborah Driggs
Today we’re talking with Deborah Driggs. Her experience with divorce, trauma and recovery has fueled her across the career landscape — from model to actor to sales to motivational speaker. She joins …
When You’re With a Gaslighter
Do you have reason to doubt what you hear from your spouse? Have they ever given you any reason to question your perception of your relationship? That’s called gaslighting, and it’s a form …
Roy Biancalana and His Relationship Bootcamp
As if the divorce wasn’t hard enough, now it’s time to get back out into the dating world. But how do you know if you’re in good relationship shape? Luckily, Roy Biancalana …
Meet Your Paralegal
In today’s episode, Seth invited Stacy Recinella, one of the paralegals from his firm, to join the show. The conversation allows …
Who gets the church?
“You can be forgiven of murder. You can be forgiven of infidelity. But divorce? It’s taboo. It’s like they avoid talking about it.”
It’s a great conversation today! Seth and Pete chat with Josh & …
Navigating Custody Battles
When you hear the term ‘Custody Battle,’ you have a certain image in your mind. Courtroom fights, crying kids, the worst stereotypes we learn from movies and television. But what happens when …
Karen McMahon and The 12 Step Divorce Recovery Program
When you’re thinking about divorce or going through it, you can lose yourself in the negative energies swirling around you. Do you let the conflict eat away at you? …
Divorce for Same Sex Couples Is the Same as Any Other Divorce, Right?
Marriage equality becoming the law of the land in 2015 ushered in a new era of rights finally uniting couples of the same sex behind the same set of …
Lisa Zeiderman and Disagreements Between the Exes
Spouses often have disagreements, but it’s more complicated when they get divorced. How do co-parents sort out plans when they disagree on things like getting your child …
Why are you angry and how do you de-escalate?
Divorce isn’t easy and emotions almost always run high. In today’s episode, Seth and Pete talk with Doug …
It’s hard enough to recognize that you need to change your behaviors and then to do so. How are you supposed to do it when it relates to your divorce? Kurt is a sought-after behavioral scientist and recognized leader in …
What do you do when your divorce involves a QDRO? Do you even know what that means or who to reach out to? Luckily, our guest on today’s episode has …
Meet Sara Hadgraft
Pete’s out with Covid this week so Seth’s flying solo, but it was an important conversation we wanted to get out to you. Seth talks …
Meet Sabrina Osso
Sabrina Osso from Osso Safe is here to talk to Seth and Pete about violence in relationships, particularly when its part of the …
Meet Judge Wesley Tibbals
May it please the court! We’ve got a special guest today who knows a thing or two about the workings of divorce court, and that’s because he’s a judge! That’s right, we figured it was about time …
Meet Neale Godfrey
When a relationship ends and you haven’t been the one taking care of the finances, figuring out how to move forward can be paralyzing. Luckily, it’s a learned skill and on today’s episode, Pete and …
“We owe it to them to ensure they’re not collateral damage due to this divorce.”
Meet Sarah Armstrong
Sarah works at Google but decided as a side gig …
Meet Shannon Jenkins
Divorce is never easy, but when you’re trying to divorce a narcissistic sociopath, things are so much more complicated. Add in …
Divorce and Cryptocurrency
Hiding money from a spouse has been a part of divorce since divorce started, but what happens when it’s crypto? How about …
Our guest today has spent years in the publishing business, but it was only when her marriage broke up that she found the inspiration to write a book of her own. Available: A Memoir of Sex & Dating After a Marriage …
We're still on our summer break and using the time to resurface some of our popular conversations. This week, we're talking to Erika Anne Englund …
Bringing in a "forensic accountant" to your divorce team sounds serious, and it is. But it's far from the dour experience the title implies. In fact, having an expert in understanding the numbers in your divorce can …
Deborah Driggs
Today we’re talking with Deborah Driggs. Her experience with divorce, trauma and recovery has fueled her across the career landscape — from model to actor to sales to motivational speaker. She joins Seth …
Solicitors and Barristers and Judges, oh my!
Even though many of the foundations of our legal system stemmed from our country’s history with England, …
Finding Peace After Your Divorce
Today on the Toaster, Seth and Pete are joined by Keith Wilson, a licensed mental health counselor and author of “The Road To Reconciliation: A Comprehensive Guide to Peace when …
Movies often feature prenups, or prenuptial agreements, as this thing that rich people get when they pretty much know their marriage will end in a divorce. Today, Pete and Seth talk about these mysterious beasts. Are …
Divorce is hard. But love on the other side of a divorce? You might feel like it’s never going to happen. You might feel like you never want to try again. Well, in this episode, we’re joined by an exciting guest who can …
Brittany Bliss and Reid Givens each had been married for 19 years to other people before divorcing them. While figuring their new lives out, they met each other and fell in love. Now, almost five years later, they not …
Today we’re talking with Karen Covy, author of When Happily Ever After Ends: How to Survive Your Divorce Emotionally, Financially, and Legally. Karen has been working as a divorce professional for over 25 years as a …
Does dealing with divorce while in the military make it more complicated? Former US Army Military Policeman Paul Phipps, also an attorney at Nelson …
No matter how you slice it, infidelity is not a word you want associated with your marriage. That’s true for financial infidelity as well. So how do …
Pathological Altruism
Co-dependency, or pathological altruism as we like to call it, is unhealthy in marriage, but how do you know it’s there? It can …
De-Escalating Conflict
By its very nature, divorce is ripe with conflict. It starts because of conflict, it’s full of conflict all the way through, …
It’s become a bit of a running gag throughout our five seasons that we often tell you to “check your local jurisdiction,” but there’s good reason behind the joke. Every state, or jurisdiction, has its own laws that need …
Movies and TV shows always make out the opposing counsel as this unstoppable and evil force with unlimited resources and ill intent. Okay, maybe it’s not that extreme, but you get the idea. We all have an idea as to …
Vicki Vollweiler helps parents and students finance their college experience. If you’re in the process of a divorce, Vicki has some things for you to …
Seth lost his mom. Pete lost his dad. And both are working through the experience of grief that comes with the impact on their lives and families.
This is not an episode that answers all your grief questions. There are …
You're doing all the right things, all the things your team has told you to do: you’re facing the prospect of divorce head-on. But when the process …
What does it mean to forgive after your divorce? You can count many reasons to hold a grudge; you have all the reasons that led you to divorce in the …
Whatever your position on Valentine's Day as a holiday, there's no denying the cultural charge of romantic expectation around us. That charge can …
Our hiatus continues as we get closer to season five! In today’s episode, we return to season one for a conversation Pete and Seth had without any guests – what do post-divorce relationships look like?
What’s going to …
We continue our hiatus as we prepare for season five. In today’s episode, we return to season three and our conversation with Megan Hunter at the Hight Conflict Institute in a great conversation about dealing with …
“Get over your divorce before your divorce is over.” So says divorce coach Nikki Bruno in one of the programs she offers, guiding participants through the divorce process with a coach’s attention. And as a coach, she is …
Happy New Year! In our season break we brought the team together to talk about divorce in the movies. From hyper-stylized to hyper-real, how well do filmmakers capture divorce? Producer Andy Nelson joins Pete and Seth …
We’re on a short break as we celebrate the holidays with our families and gear up for season five coming in 2022. While we’re away, we thought it …
How do you heal after living through the trauma of divorce? How do you help your kids heal when they live through their own experience of your trauma? Whether you consider yours an easy divorce, or a hard one, the act …
We’ve talked about divorce and the law. We’ve talked about the emotional rebuilding after a divorce, too. But somewhere in between the legal and the emotional exists the practical: how do you present yourself to the …
What happens to your life after divorce? Author Chidima Anusiem, or “Author Chi”, joins us this week to talk about the transition. From social rebuilding to emotional health, her work as a divorce coach working with …
If you’re newly divorced, this episode is going to hit home. Today, we’re dealing with one of the central questions that form the overall arc of your divorce story: how do you handle the money? This week on the show, we …
We’ve talked about grey divorce on the Toaster. We’ve talked about high dollar divorce on the Toaster. But what are the issues facing the messy …
JT Tapias is a trainer, coach, and health counselor and his practice is all about teaching others how to live a fit and healthy life that is sustainable. Your health is more than a casual pastime and the stress of …
How has divorce impacted your sex life? Have you noticed a difference in intimacy as you move through your separation, dating, and even sex in your subsequent marriages? How has your experience communicating about your …
What does it take to move from case to case as a divorce attorney? Which systems are in place to manage client, judge, opposing counsel, and assorted …
Erika Anne Englund spent 15 years as a divorce attorney, professional mediator, and law professor before becoming Chief of Strategy at SupportPay. …
Jordan Shapiro is a professor at Temple University, a senior fellow for the Joan Ganz Cooney Center at Sesame Workshop, and Nonresident Fellow in the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution. He’s …
All right, we get it. A review of benefits programs might not seem like the most entertaining fodder for a podcast about divorce. But wait, just hear …
This week on the show, we’re taking on one of the BIG divorce questions. It comes right along with “where am I going to live,” and “what am I going to do with my life?” … it’s the question of money. Divorces can get …
Bringing in a "forensic accountant" to your divorce team sounds serious, and it is. But it's far from the dour experience the title implies. In fact, having an expert in understanding the numbers in your divorce can …
Soberlink is a tool used to identify, test, and communicate alcohol use. If you’re in addiction recovery you might think of it as your accountability …
Our guest today has spent years in the publishing business, but it was only when her marriage broke up that she found the inspiration to write a book of her own. Available: A Memoir of Sex & Dating After a Marriage …
This week on the show we welcome Tracy Poizner, parenting strategist who specializes in helping divorced moms and dads navigate new parenting duties …
Gabrielle Stone pulled on the threads of her own marriage, until it came apart. At the other end, she'd discovered spare phones, receipts, emails, …
It's safe to say we're all dog people around Toaster HQ. They're not big dogs. They're small, cuddly dogs that like to sit on laps and couches and generally give us peace. Unless they see a bike. Bikes are bad news.
In …
We're gearing up for our fourth season which will begin in just a few weeks. Along the way, we've been reflecting on lessons learned in the last three seasons, reviewing which episodes have resonated with you. As such, …
It’s the last episode of our season and we’re going out with a bang. We introduce Pete’s new favorite acronym by way of Subsequent Lawsuits After Divorce (S.L.A.D.) and talk about all the ways you might find yourself …
Let’s just say you’re a woman and you’re about to divorce. We know, crazy, right? But stay with us on this. When you walk away from your marriage, …
This week we’re taking on the biggest question of the separation: should I stay or should I go? To help, we welcome Kate Anthony, host of the New …
Our guest today is Linda Murphy, founder of the Relationship and Divorce Counseling Center where she and her colleagues work to help others through …
Ninety percent of divorce conflict can be resolved through dialog and negotiation. But what about that last ten percent? In these situations you …
Gabrielle Hartley is a nationally-recognized divorce attorney, online mediator and divorce strategy coach with a strong focus on conflict …
It's easy to get stuck looking out when you're navigating the divorce process. You're focused on your kids, your soon-to-be former spouse, support teams helping you move, divide finances, and generally get your life in …
Randall Kessler founded the law firm now known as Kessler & Solomiany, LLC in 1991. Today, the Atlanta-based firm sports 30 attorneys and staff …
The healthy post-divorce is a perennial favorite around these parts. But what happens when the divorce process is not so peaceful?
We’re talking …
Heart? Swipe? Like? When it's time to get back into the sea after your divorce, how do you know where to find the right fish? This week on the show, divorce lawyer Seth Nelson shares his experience and insight into …
Tami Sbar is a leading divorce mediator in Tampa, Florida, but she took a roundabout journey through the law to get there. She started her legal career as an Assistant State Attorney, working in both the domestic …
Our guests today have worked hard to craft a loving and tight-knit family. Their effort to create that family has only intensified since their divorce in 2007. In an effort to help others see what’s possible, Ben …
The pandemic has been hard. On everyone. But one surprising silver lining: enterprising mediators have made the process easier, faster, and cheaper …
According to our guests today, late-in-life divorcées represent an unserved population. The complexities that come with navigating the divorce …
When one of us suffers, we all suffer. So says our guest, Rachael Jaye. Jaye is a certified Connection Coach and today she’s going to talk to us about her work helping to rehabilitate intimacy lost in separation.
So, …
Divorce, by definition, is damaging. Taking apart a relationship impacts us far beyond the law. Today on the show, clinical psychologist Dr. Margaret …
Are you ready to stage your Epic Comeback? Then it’s time for you to meet Nikki Bruno, divorce coach.
“Get over your divorce before your divorce is over.” So says divorce coach Nikki Bruno in one of the programs she …
A journey that started with divorce led home designer Michael Daniels to a career change, a long escalator, and a drive to reduce conflict for everyone facing the challenge of co-parenting. Today he joins us in the …
We've talked to a string of guests, all specialists in some aspect of the divorce process supporting the legal process itself. And beyond the legal process, we’ve covered mental and emotional health support, how to …
Following up on last week’s conversation about dividing personal property, we realized that pets are considered property too. But you can’t actually …
You have split your schedule. You’ve untangled custody. You feel like you’re on top of the thousand tiny decisions that face you during your divorce …
From deep in the files labeled, “people you didn’t know you needed in your corner during your divorce,” we bring you the Guardian ad Litem. We welcome Courtney Bowes to the Toaster, a Guardian ad Litem who works with …
Rhonda Noordyk is the host of the Divorce Conversations for Women Podcast and CEO of the Women’s Financial Wellness Center. In her work, she helps women ask tough questions so that they get the answers that they need to …
Brian Ronalds is an actor turned writer/producer/director and is half of “The Ronalds Brothers." You can see Brian in the horror-comedy, Netherbeast Incorporated, directed by his brother, Dean, and in many other credits …
It’s time to cross wires! This week on the show, Pete and Seth bring Andy Nelson of The Next Reel Film Podcast to talk about their favorite experiences of the law in film. Part of CrossTalk from TruStory FM.
The Next …
Your divorce is a mystery. From the day you decide to pursue it to the day you and your former spouse sign on the dotted line and go your separate ways, it is a process that is unique to you and your specific situation. …
You might find yourself asking, “when will I get to the other side?” Divorce is long, but it’s a process. And processes absolutely come to an end. As …
Let’s start with the hard stuff: the bravest thing you can do is stand up for yourself and move forward. This week, we’re going to talk about the big piece of your divorce puzzle that is going to stand in the way of you …
Love hurts. When you’re on the precipice of divorce, your relationship’s specific circumstances don’t matter as much as the grief and loss you feel as you prepare to walk away from your relationship. Studies show the …
You’re newly divorced. You’ve moved into a new place. Let’s say, to really put a cap on this exercise of imagination, you’re sitting on the floor one night eating sesame chicken straight out of the take out container by …
How can people be more intentional in the choices they’re making? If ever there was a time to develop the intellectual muscles that allow us to focus through a veil of emotion, it's when we’re facing the prospect of …
Go on, sing it with us... "it's the most wonderful time of the year..." It's the most cherished of all divorce traditions, that special time when you …
Dr. Jeremy Gaies is a licensed psychologist and certified family mediator and author of “A Clear and Easy Guide to Collaborative Divorce”. He joins …
What are a few of the things that you never have time to do because of work, kids, or your relationship with your spouse? This week on the show, we’re turning the corner on the divorce itself and imagining a world in …
Lives entwined are as complex as any machine. This week on the show, Seth Nelson and Pete Wright talk about how to navigate separating parts of your lives together that are incredibly complex, with a hypothetical …
Unraveling co-mingled finances in a separation starts by knowing where your money is. For many of us, answering that question can be much harder than it may seem. This week on Toaster, Seth Nelson and Pete Wright dive …
Unprecedented. If that word doesn’t earn word-of-the-year on every lexicographer’s list for 2020, language is broken. What happens if you’re living through these unprecedented times with a spouse and you’re struggling …
Seth Nelson is a Tampa based family lawyer known for devising creative solutions to difficult problems. In "How to Split a Toaster," Nelson takes on …
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