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Healing Justice Podcast

119 EpisodesProduced by Kate Werning - Social Justice Organizer & Trainer; Healing PractitionerWebsite

Healing Justice Podcast is a virtual practice space, bridging conversations at the intersections of collective healing & social change. Hosted by organizer and healing practitioner Kate Werning, each week we share a conversation with a powerful social justice leader, and an accompanying audio practi… read more


15 Decolonization & the Long View of History -- Carlos Saavedra & Fhatima Paulino

This week we’re talking with Fhatima Paulino and Carlos Saavedra from the Ayni Institute. We’re learning about the critical perspective of a long and global view of history to help us understand how long change takes and where our problems come from. We’re slowing down to care for our bodies and family members with illness, learning about collective work in indigenous traditions, Ayahuasca and people looking to the south for healing and spiritual direction, reciprocity and right relationship, and responding to appropriation at the collective level.

There are some really great resources accompanying this week’s episode, so make sure to scroll all the way down to see those!


NEW FEATURE on the podcast this week: AFFIRMATIONS

We're hosting a new segment each week that is a time for us to feature community voices and words; to uplift people, organizations, and communities that are embodying the values of healing justice. For a sliding scale donation, you can submit your own personal shout-out to spread love on the airwaves! CLICK HERE TO SUBMIT YOUR AFFIRMATION


This week’s AFFIRMATIONS come from Adam and Vero thanking Survivor Theater Project, and Lissy celebrating Black Visions Collective. Thank you for sharing community love!


ABOUT OUR GUESTS: CARLOS SAAVEDRA & FHATIMA PAULINO OF AYNI INSTITUTEAYNI INSTITUTE began as a coaching, training and incubating institute for organizations, movement builders and community organizing leaders. Ayni is currently producing The Mysteries of the Andes, a nine documentary series by Director Jose Huaman Turpo and Producer Alejandrina Calancha. Their vision is to preserve the ancestral traditions of indigenous groups in the Andes and Amazons of Peru from a holistic perspective, which means that those communities share their stories, their culture, and their wisdom through their own voices. More at

CARLOS SAAVEDRA migrated to Boston, MA at the age of 12 with his parents as an undocumented student. At 16 years old, he became active in the immigrant rights movement fighting for equal access to higher education for undocumented youth, and became the national coordinator for the United We Dream Network, the first immigrant youth national organization. Carlos was chosen as the 2010 Progressive Activist of the Year by Nation Magazine.

FHATIMA PAULINO is the daughter of immigrants from the Philippines and Mexico. Since 2017 she has been Co-Coordinator of the Memory Program at the Ayni Institute where she is currently focused on the documentary Voices That Heal, which is about the cosmovision, healing practices and almost extinct languages of 4 indigenous villages in the Peruvian Amazon. The documentary will premiere in Boston on April 21st during Ayni’s Yachay (Wisdom) Seminar ( ). Before joining the Ayni team, Fhatima was a community organizer as part of the PICO national network and then as a full-time volunteer with the Cosecha Movement.



Download the corresponding practice called “Releasing to Pachamama” to hear Fhatima guide you through a simple earth reconnection practice. You’ll need a quiet place, either indoors or outdoors, where you can lay on the floor. Practices post on Thursdays.


You can see a video of the powerful ritual of Q'ESWACHAKA that Fhatima describes



Carlos’ Reading List

Learn more about the Yachay Seminar in Boston:


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Mixed and produced by Zach Meyer at the COALROOM

Intro and Closing music gifted by Danny O’Brien

All visuals contributed by Josiah Werning

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