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Healing Justice Podcast

119 EpisodesProduced by Kate Werning - Social Justice Organizer & Trainer; Healing PractitionerWebsite

Healing Justice Podcast is a virtual practice space, bridging conversations at the intersections of collective healing & social change. Hosted by organizer and healing practitioner Kate Werning, each week we share a conversation with a powerful social justice leader, and an accompanying audio practi… read more


32 Bridging Complexity Collectively -- Relational Uprising (Lucién Demaris & Cedar Landsman)

This week, we’re talking with Lucién Demaris & Cedar Landsman of Relational Uprising about individualism as a system of oppression; “heroic” cultures of organizing; indigenous traditions of healing in Ecuador; repairing rupture, suspicion, and judgment; and bridging as a form of increasing our ability to hold complexity in our movements.

Recommended listening that this episode builds upon: Episode 20: Relational Culture with Mark Fairfield.

Download the corresponding practice (32 Practice: Relational Inclusion) to join Cedar in learning how to inquire appreciatively into what we may be inclined to judge, reject, exclude, dismiss, or devalue about another’s experience. We see what new information this brings to us, helping us to see beyond our own entrenched perspective. Practice episodes always publish on Thursdays.



Thank you to all of you who joined us last week in Detroit for Allied Media Conference! It was truly amazing to be there as a team.. Check out our Instagram @healingjustice & Facebook ‘Healing Justice Podcast’ to get a glimpse of the action.

We also made a custom healing justice zine featuring the work of Autumn Brown, Maryse Mitchell Brody, Caitlin Metz, and Marcia Lee, so if you want access to the PDF so you can print one for yourself or a whole bunch for your community, join our email list at and we’ll be sending that out soon!

And if you’ll be at CommonBound in St. Louis this weekend (June 22-24), come join us for our workshop on Saturday morning: Healing Justice & Economies of Collective Care, co-hosted with the local 4A Project.

In a couple weeks we are beginning a summer break for reflection, restructuring, fundraising, and discernment. Will you let us know what you’ve loved, what you want more of, how you’ve used the practices, and how you want to show up in this community? As we head into a summer break for discernment and planning, we want to shape season 2 based on your input! Click here to take the survey and let us know your thoughts:



Relational Uprising is a training and coaching institute that supports social movements to foster a relational culture of embodied support, interdependence, and inclusion in their organizations and communities. More at

Cedar Landsman is a heart-centered community organizer, trainer and facilitator who has worked in the field of social justice for over 17 years, from the global justice movement to the low-wage labor movement to the fight for a just and fair food system. She co-founded and co-directs Relational Uprising, which brings relational practice and theory to changemakers, particularly activists and organizers engaged in frontline movement building.

Lucién Demaris is a Somatics-based healer, educator and consultant, training in the US and internationally for the last 15 years. He currently serves as Co-Director at Relational Uprising, a project incubated at The Relational Center in Los Angeles, where he developed a Relational Somatics frame for activists. Lucién is formally trained as a Guild Certified Feldenkrais Practitioner of Somatic Education, a California Licensed Acupuncturist and a Nationally Certified Bodyworker.---


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THANK YOU to all our production volunteers:

Content editing by Rachel IshikawaMixing and production by Zach Meyer at the COALROOMIntro and Closing music gifted by Danny O’BrienAll visuals contributed by Josiah Werning

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