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Find The Outside

79 EpisodesProduced by Tim Merry & Tuesday Ryan-HartWebsite

A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday Ryan-Hart and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. Together, Tim and Tuesday are THE OUTSIDE - systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward… read more


1.02: Origins: How it all began

In episode two, Tim and Tuesday recap the facilitation paths that led them towards their collaboration on equity, big systems change, and leadership.


  1. First, Tim and Tuesday discuss where the work of systems change and equity began for each of them, and how has it shifted over the years. What would a typical project look like ten years ago, and for who was the typical client? How did they get paid to do this work? Wrapping up, Tim talks about the impact of Augusto Boal’s Theatre of the Oppressed.
  2. Next, Tim and Tuesday talk about the significance of who they are as a unit: Why ‘The Outside’? What does a typical project look like? At what point do people pick up the phone and call us to come in? How does work begin for us? How do we begin?
  3. For our PRACTICES segment, we ask: what’s keeping you sane?
  4. Each episode will have a song or poem of the week that feels integral to the work. This week, it’s a poem by Sarah La Rosa from her book Her Strange Angels:
  5. The way to find a measure of solace in the place of unknowing
  6. Of waiting
  7. On the verge of deep waters
  8. Is to remember that we are equipped with the ability to float
  9. Water is out natural state
  10. We had our beginnings in a sacred sea
  11. And so returning to that vast ocean does not have to be scary and unknown
  12. It could be more like going home.

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Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.

Duration: 45:45

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

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