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Find The Outside

79 EpisodesProduced by Tim Merry & Tuesday Ryan-HartWebsite

A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday Ryan-Hart and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. Together, Tim and Tuesday are THE OUTSIDE - systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward… read more


1.05: Focus: On staying small and pointing energy instead of scaling up

In episode five, Tim and Tuesday unpack why they’ve declined invitations to grow bigger, choosing instead to make The Outside small, flexible, and connected.

1.05 —— SHOW NOTES
  • We are totally committed to building capacity within the communities and organizations we engage. We don’t want to build a dependency on ourselves for the people we’re serving.
  • We create the conditions for people to get to work on stuff themselves.
  • Bookmarking:
  • Our deliberateness of working with managers of one.
  • Something about this design, the structure of our business that forces a surrendering of control.
  • That we work in the void, the space between things. The more rigid we become the less able we actually are to be responsive.
  • Tim notes ‘managers of one’ with link to the book REWORK
  • We’ve never got bigger, we’ve just got more connected… it’s allowed us to go to greater and greater scale in our work.
  • In your working relationships, seek out ease. The work is hard enough.
  • Our classic one-liner: We’re not going to do it for you. We’re going to do it with you.
  • Letting go of control is not an abdication of responsibility.
  • The Void—we are bringing together multiple stakeholders who are bringing people together.
  • We need to be hyper flexible, anti-fragile
  • Poem: Lemn Sissay, Listener: Architecture
  • Song: Babba Maal & Mumford and Sons: There will be time

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Find the song we played in today’s show—and every song we’ve played in previous shows—on the playlist. Just search ‘Find the Outside’ on Spotify.

Duration: 33:55

Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios

Theme music: Gary Blakemore

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