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Find The Outside

77 EpisodesProduced by Tim Merry & Tuesday Ryan-HartWebsite

A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday Ryan-Hart and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. Together, Tim and Tuesday are THE OUTSIDE - systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward… read more

77 Episodes | 2018 - 2022

4.13: Outside Tues + Tim

June 21st, 2022


Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Pascal Porchet and Carolyn Townsend. They dive into all things systems change - …

4.12: Outside Conversations with Pascal Porchet

June 7th, 2022


Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and colleague, Pascal Porchet, Chief of Staff for the International Committee of the Red Cross’ (ICRC) Global …

4.11: Outside Conversations with Carolyn Townsend

May 24th, 2022


There are people trailblazing new paths and there are good people working in broken systems trying to make change. Both are needed. Tuesday and Tim …

4.10: Outside Tues + Tim

May 10th, 2022


Join Tuesday and Tim as they talk about what's up for them personally and professionally and reflect on the recent conversations with systems change duos from Reos Partners South Africa and The Systems Sanctuary - …

4.09: Outside Convrsations with Colleen Magner + Mahmood Sonday

April 26th, 2022


Join Tim and Tuesday for a session with Colleen Magner and Mahmood Sonday, leaders of Reos Partners South Africa, who give us a remarkable insight …

4.08: Outside Conversations with Rachel Sinha + Tatiana Fraser

April 12th, 2022


Where are the islands of sanity in the midst of this modern mayhem? Where can I catch my breath, see the bigger picture and prioritize my next strategic steps? Join Rachel Sinha and Tatiana Fraser, the co-founders of …

4.07: Outside Tues + Tim

March 29th, 2022


Public Health Leaders have been on the forefront on change over the last 2 years. They've had to rise to the inherent complexity of our times and …

4.06: Outside Conversations with Minnesota Public Health Leaders

March 15th, 2022


Tuesday and Tim continue their public health series - this time with a Midwestern US perspective - where they are joined by public health professionals, Kim Milbrath, Becky Sechrist, and Sarah Reece.

Together they …

4.05: Outside Tues + Tim

March 1st, 2022


Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on the last three episodes of the pod with dear friends and mentors, Adam Kahane, Arawana Hayashi & Margaret Wheatley. Tune in to hear how these three leaders continue to …

4.05: Outside Tues + Tim

March 1st, 2022


Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on the last three episodes of the pod with dear friends and mentors, Adam Kahane, Arawana Hayashi & Margaret Wheatley. Tune in to hear how these three leaders continue to …

4.04: Outside Conversations with Margaret Wheatley

February 15th, 2022


Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and mentor, Margaret (Meg) Wheatley, co-founder and president of The Berkana Institute, where she talks about …

4.03: Outside Conversations with Arawana Hayashi

February 1st, 2022


Tuesday and Tim are joined by Arawana Hayashi, founder of the Social Presencing Theater, where she talks about the wisdom in bringing forward our embodied intelligence to guide our relationships and systems change work, …

4.02: Outside Conversations with Adam Kahane

January 18th, 2022


Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friend, mentor, author, and thought leader, Adam Kahane, Director of Reos Partners, where he talks about the inspiration and reasons for writing his most recent book, Facilitating …

4.01: Outside Tues + Tim - On the Outside Conversations of Season 4

January 4th, 2022


They’re back! In the first episode of season four, Tim and Tuesday chat through what you can expect for Season 4. From interviews with mentors and elders in the field, to clients working to make change, to Tim & …

Outside Conversations with Dr. Robert Strang, Nova Scotia's Chief Medical Officer of Health

December 14th, 2021


Tuesday and Tim are joined by Dr. Robert Strang, Nova Scotia's Chief Medical Officer of Health, where they discuss the topic on EVERYONE'S MIND these days, COVID (and the Omicron variant!), his personal leadership, and …

Season 4: In your ears in January 2022

October 26th, 2021


That's right, friends! Tim & Tuesday will be back in your ears in January 2022. We've been interviewing some amazing guests, including: Arawana Hayashi, Adam Kahane and Margaret Wheatley... to name a few. In the …

Season 4: In your ears in January 2022

October 26th, 2021


That's right, friends! Tim & Tuesday will be back in your ears in January 2022. We've been interviewing some amazing guests, including: Arawana Hayashi, Adam Kahane and Margaret Wheatley... to name a few. In the …

3.19: Stop, Collaborate + Listen - TO is here with the finale edition

June 22nd, 2021


Season three’s final episode has Tim and Tuesday reflecting on the impact of COVID on our lives and work. What do we need to shed to truly renew? …

3.18: Pivot Ahead - On feedback from our listeners - What we heard + What’s to come

June 8th, 2021


Tim & Tuesday are joined by fellow Outsider, Jermaine Henry, where they reflect together on feedback from our listeners and brainstorm the possibilities of the podcast moving forward. Hint - Jermaine will be …

3.17: Oil Change - On creating the conditions for change & equity

May 25th, 2021


Change is on everywhere! This week we hear from Matt Hall, Founder and CEO of Agile Geoscience. He talks about changes they are leading in the energy sector and we get to compare notes from our work. Join us for an …

3.16: Two Is Better Than One - On Experience, Expansion & Expectations

May 11th, 2021


“Does it always have to be the two of you together?” Dive in with Tim, Tuesday and their business coach, Francis Baldwin, as they respond to this very provocative question.

Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are 

3.15: Wildest Dreams: On Neutrality, Doing Things Differently & Rolling Stones

April 27th, 2021


Join Tim & Tuesday as they share their wildest dreams for The Outside with Organizational Development Specialist, and new member of The Outside …

3.14: Scenarios: Choices in Transitions (Full Episode)

April 13th, 2021


Too much control and we kill learning, not enough order and things fall apart. The Outside is changing and maturing. Listen in as Tim & Tuesday …

3.13: 3 Years In - On foundations, futures and ‘anything can be’ (Full Episode)

March 30th, 2021


Join in as Tim & Tuesday discuss The Outside’s third anniversary and their changing role as co-founders and the face of The Outside. As the team …

3.12: Outside The Outside - On Goddesses and Soccer (Full Episode)

March 16th, 2021


All inclusive soccer at Mahone Bay United. A Goddess Class that is building a community rooted in the divine feminine. Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share their personal passions and what’s keeping them inspired and …

3.11: Underworld - On puzzle pieces, shame, and discoveries (Full Episode)

March 2nd, 2021


Join us on a journey to the underworld as we dig deep into some of the harder and more hidden aspects of the work of systems change & equity and what it demands of each us individually. This episode is not for the …

3.10: Retrospective - A charcuterie of mushrooms and magic (Full Episode)

February 16th, 2021


The Outside commissioned a retrospective on the last 3 years of our work. We’re letting you in on all the things - what clients had to say about our work, our branding audit, and why we were compared with people who …

3.09: Jeremy Lu: On values, online tools + living many lives (Full Episode)

February 2nd, 2021


Tim and Tuesday welcome Jeremy Lu, co-founder of the online collaboration tool GroupMap. Get ready for a conversation that reveals his incredible …

3.08: Inexorable: On Unstoppable Momentum (Full Episode)

January 19th, 2021


Tim & Tuesday talk through what is inexorable in ourselves and the world right now and what is open to our influence. To meet the unstoppable momentum of these times, they explore what mythical weapons they will be …

3.07: Monuments: On taking the circuitous route to discovery (Full Episode)

January 5th, 2021


Tim & Tuesday kick off the new year reflecting on the turning points of 2020 while reaching into history and ancestry to lend some meaning and insight on this moment we’re in and where we go from here.

For detailed …

3.06: Ambition: On willpower, trust and a future that claims us (Full Episode)

December 15th, 2020


Tim & Tuesday host a far ranging conversation on how they relate to ambition and willpower in thier work. How is our drive helping, and hindering, our ability to do the work we love?

For detailed show notes, links …

3.05: Classy - On navigating class, wealth and leadership distribution (Full Episode)

December 1st, 2020


Tim & Tuesday dive into a conversation on class, spurred on by a recent conversation with an Outsider about delegation and leadership. Join in as we explore money, class structures, hierarchy, unconscious bias, …

3.04: Winged Words: On finding the soul of the work (Full Episode)

November 17th, 2020


Inspired by Dr. Martin Shaw and author Cyndi Suarez, Tim and Tuesday explore the power of words, story and myth in systems change. How can …

3.03: Change in St. Croix: Small Reflects All (Full Episode)

November 3rd, 2020


Tim and Tuesday talk with fellow Outsiders, Sommer Sibilly-Brown and Kristina Torres, where they introduce us to the Island of St. Croix, Crucians and how this small island can show us that big change can be done …

3.02: Spirit of Change (Full Episode)

October 20th, 2020


What does the spiritual journey look like for people involved in large scale systems change work? How is the spiritual path different from the mental …


October 6th, 2020


In the first episode of season three, Tim and Tuesday talk with Cyndi Suarez, author of The Power Manual, where they explore the complexities of …

2.20: Woven: Staying Interconnected

June 30th, 2020


In season two’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap up by offering a piece of advice: stay woven! Stay woven with the people you care about, stay woven with the people you work with and pay attention to how woven and …

2:19: Uprising: Waking Up And Making Change

June 9th, 2020


For episode nineteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday delve into the hopefulness, the openness, the fear, and the fragility they are seeing in this …

2.18: Scale: Big Change Is Needed - But How?

June 2nd, 2020


For episode eighteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday discuss what it means to take the work, and The Outside, to greater scale and longer lasting impact.

Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems …

2.17: LeadershipNOW - Leadership in the time of COVID

May 19th, 2020


What leadership is needed now? What are we learning in community, in business and globally about leadership? Join Tim and Tuesday as they dive into these questions, and more, for episode seventeen of season two.

2.16: Unsettled - Facing Ourselves As We Shelter In Place

May 5th, 2020


For episode sixteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how sheltering in place, during COVID-19, is presenting an opportunity for the discovery of other parts of ourselves and how unsettling that can be. 

2.15: Together + Apart: COVID-19 is not the same for all of us

April 21st, 2020


For episode fifteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday are excited to introduce you to two members of the Outside Team, Bronagh Gallagher and Sommer Sibilly-Brown. We hear their perspectives, from two different parts of the …

2.14: ETHOS - On Matching Our Rhetoric With Our Action

April 7th, 2020


For episode fourteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday host a conversation with members of the NYC Administration for Children Services Operations Team where they reflect on the work so far, their learnings and their …

2:13: Choices - How Are We Turning Up During This Unprecedented Time?

March 24th, 2020


For episode thirteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reach out to explain what they are doing, both personally and professionally, during the Coronavirus outbreak.

Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE

2.12: Invitation: On Inviting People Into The Work, And Seeing Invitations As Challenge and Positive Shake-Up For Ourselves As Leaders

March 17th, 2020


For episode twelve of season two, Tim and Tuesday speak directly to the invitations they are receiving in the work of getting big change done. At …

2:11: Hope: How To Protect The Optimism We Need For Massive Response And Massive Heart

March 3rd, 2020


For episode eleven of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how hope can — and must — co-exist with an acknowledgement of where we are, even in crisis or struggle. If we are to respond massively to an emerging future, …

2:10: Power: Finding The Language To Navigate Power And Share It With Others

February 18th, 2020

For episode ten of season two, Tim and Tuesday contemplate what exactly we mean by the concept of power — intergroup, structural or systemic. How can we best share it, and invite more people to pick it up? How can we …

2.09: Building Blocks: Laying The Structure For Equity In Change Work: Under The Hood Of Building A Business

February 4th, 2020

Together, Tim Merry and Tuesday Ryan-Hart are THE OUTSIDE—systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize …

2.08: Problem? Fix It. On The Virtue Of Slowing Down For Understanding: The Relationships And Patterns Of Fix-It Mode

January 21st, 2020


For episode eight of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about the fix-it phenomenon we all share: on seeing a problem, we rush to fix it. But when we …

E2.07: Isoke Femi: Modes Of Experience, Theoretical Frameworks And Compassion: A Conversation

January 7th, 2020


In episode seven of season two, Tim and Tuesday sit down with colleague Isoke Femi, who brings a beautifully enriching and unique perspective to the …

2.06: Labels: How The Language, Theory, And Models Of The Labels We Use Can Either Restrict Or Give Freedom

December 10th, 2019


In episode six of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about how adopting or shedding labels — political, economic, ideological, identity — can give us …

2.05: What's At The Centre, And Why: Adventures In The Seeking Of Equity

November 26th, 2019


In episode five of season two, Tim and Tuesday venture into the heart of their change work: equity. How do we distribute power and wealth? How do we relate across lines of race, class, and gender, and how do we keep …

2.04: The Experiment: On Moving From Starting To Building: Behind-The-Scenes Of Change Work Growth

November 12th, 2019


In episode four of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the nature of moving from a start-up mindset to next-phase growth. As enthusiastic prototypers and experimenters, how do we know one phase is done and it’s time to …

2.03: Balance: On Spinning Plates, Keeping Forward Momentum, And Preserving Heart In A Busy Life & World

October 29th, 2019


In episode three of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore the often talked-about, always sought-for, and ultimately elusive ideal of balance. In our …

2.02: Across The Divide: On Finding Unexpected Alliances Across Different Approaches To Change Work

October 15th, 2019


For episode two of season two, Tim and Tuesday interview Jacob Watkins of PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) in Zürich, Switzerland. Collaborating with The …

2.01: Generosity: The Heart-Expansion & Opportunity Of Generosity In Change Work

October 1st, 2019


In the first episode of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore one of the most prescient requirements of equitable change: the generosity necessary to …

1.21: School's Out: Reflecting On A Year Of Reflection - How To Take Heart & Cultivate Readiness For Bold Change

June 25th, 2019


In season one’s final episode, Tim and Tuesday wrap a year of incredible conversations with a summer assignment: how do we cultivate readiness? Along …

1.20: Data: How Data Underpins Clarity-of-Reality And Pathfinding To Better Futures

June 11th, 2019


In episode twenty, Tim and Tuesday dig into the substance of change—how to cultivate the kind of big-picture view that validates a good forward path.

1.19: The Circle: From The Floor: A New Process To Tackle The Underpinnings Of Systems That Need Change

May 28th, 2019


In episode nineteen, Tim and Tuesday tell the story of an improvised process in the middle of a three-day session. As facilitators, how can we orchestrate memorable, game-changing breakthroughs or surges ahead in …

1.18: Teamwork: People Apart But Together: The Tactics and Strategy of Growing a Business of Change

May 14th, 2019


In episode eighteen, Tim and Tuesday explore how we work with distributed teams: as ‘managers of one’, how can we keep a strong connection? How can we navigate highly complex issues and change processes of a …

1.17: Personal Practice: Tactics to keep calm and not panic in the face of big change

April 30th, 2019


In episode seventeen, Tim & Tuesday talk about being clear versus having a feeling of clarity - even through confusion. How can we train ourselves to stay open and keep moving forward in rooms electric with …

1.16: Bridges: Reflections on how to convene for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change

April 16th, 2019


In episode sixteen, Tim and Tuesday speak with change makers at Forward Malmö, a movement uniting for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change. How can …

1.15: From Experimentation to Actualization: With Gratitude On Our First Anniversary Of Change

April 2nd, 2019


In episode fifteen, Tim & Tuesday share insights on their many rapid-pace leaps and lessons over the last year. The Outside’s team, delivery, …

1.14: Togetherness: Challenging our thinking as change facilitators to level-up the possibility in the room

March 19th, 2019


When we intentionally practice what it means to be together, we increase the possibility of levelling-up. In episode fourteen, Gibrán Rivera joins us for a conversation about how to co-create the space to tackle …

1.13: Ancestors II: Examining yesterday's actions to understand today's reality

March 5th, 2019


In episode thirteen, Tim and Tuesday continue their conversation around history, impact, and our world — since context fundamentally alters how we relate to each other in the work of change, we delve in.

1.13 —— SHOW …

1:12: Ancestors I: Examining yesterday's actions to understand today's reality

February 19th, 2019


In episode twelve, Tim and Tuesday talk about how we honour and interpret our ancestors’ actions, roles, and impacts — think reverberations of …

1.11: Sporting: Setting up to support winning, delight, and formative goodness

February 5th, 2019


In episode eleven, Tim and Tuesday deconstruct the change journey of a piece of work that rings bells across the spectrum. Using sport as a container, what can the rest of us learn about breaking through to ‘win’?

1.11 — …

1.10: Good Grief - How the insight of loss can combat cynicism and despair in leading change

January 22nd, 2019


In episode ten, Tim and Tuesday talk to author and collaborator Kate Inglis on the parallels of how we can be light-keepers despite impossible loss …

1.09: Polarity - How to build bridges for action and capacity through listening

January 8th, 2019


In episode nine, Tim and Tuesday dig into the reflex to act without pausing to consider the schisms at-play — and illuminate how and why we retreat …

1.08: Depth: How to stage the room for healing, momentum, and serious progress

December 11th, 2018


In episode eight, Tim and Tuesday empathize with facilitators and collaborators separated by organizational difference or mandates — and explore how …

1.07: How to Make a Living: How to lead change and bring new energy when you've got to pay the bills

November 27th, 2018


In episode seven, Tim and Tuesday invite us ‘backstage’ to share revelations and lessons along the path of making their work of systems change into a …

1.06: Liberation: How to recognize and opt out of limiting beliefs for momentum

November 13th, 2018


In episode six, Tim and Tuesday explore the role played by limiting beliefs in their work on systems change, equity and leadership—and the practice …

1.05: Focus: On staying small and pointing energy instead of scaling up

October 30th, 2018


In episode five, Tim and Tuesday unpack why they’ve declined invitations to grow bigger, choosing instead to make The Outside small, flexible, and …

1.04: Heartbreak: Facing Setbacks, Disappointment, and Injustice as a leadership practice

October 16th, 2018


In episode four, Tim and Tuesday reflect on the mindset shift of seeing reality clearly—not just the future that we hope for—and the value of working …

1.03: Neutrality: No such thing?

October 1st, 2018


In episode three, we contemplate the nature of neutrality. Is it even possible - or desirable - to be neutral as a host or facilitator? What are our …

1.02: Origins: How it all began

October 1st, 2018


In episode two, Tim and Tuesday recap the facilitation paths that led them towards their collaboration on equity, big systems change, and leadership.

1.01: Reflections: What matters?

September 26th, 2018


In episode one, Tim and Tuesday kick off with a lively conversation on what matters most as change makers push back — on broken systems, missing voices, and the status quo. 


First up, we introduce ourselves, …

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