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EXOPOLITICS TODAY with Dr. Michael Salla

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A leading researcher, keynote speaker & best selling author in the fields of exopolitics. Dr. Salla is a forerunner in the push to full disclosure of secret space programs, black budget projects, and the human ET agenda. These podcasts strive to reveal how this all relates to our past and current Po… read more

103 Episodes | 2020 - 2022

A Year working on the South Pole Ice Cube Neutrino Detector - the Secret Space Program connection

May 17th, 2022


Beginning in October 2010, Eric Hecker spent a year working at the South Pole's Amundsen Scott Station for the Raytheon Polar Services Company where …

Did ISS live camera reveal ET space fleet participating in disclosure initiative?

May 12th, 2022


On May 6, a formation of more than 30 UFOs was captured by one of the live cameras of the International Space Station (ISS). The ISS HD Earth Viewing …

The 100 year UFO ET Cover Up - timeline of events, people & organizations

May 9th, 2022


Dan Willis served with the US Navy where he first encountered evidence of a UFO/ET coverup in 1969. He was among a select group of 20 insiders/whistleblowers who came forward to share their testimony about the coverup …

Romanian Space Time Portal to Tibet & Egypt's Hall of Records - Interview with Peter Moon

May 3rd, 2022


Legendary Montauk Project researcher, Peter Moon, discusses a space time portal from Romania to Tibet and a secret tunnel to Egypt's Hall of Records that are described respectively in books two and three of the …

Space Arks & Halls of Records in Antarctica, Giza, Tibet & Bahamas

April 29th, 2022


In this Exopolitics Today interview Jean Charles Moyan and Elena Danaan  describe trips they both took to a Galactic Federation mothership called …

Remote Viewing extraterrestrial manipulation in Russia Ukraine War

April 28th, 2022


On April 16, the Farsight Institute released a remote viewing project  concerning President Vladimir Putin and his inner circle over the  decision to intervene in Ukraine militarily. The "Vladimir Putin and His  Inner …

Time Travel, Portals & the Montauk Project - Interview with Stewart Swerdlow

April 19th, 2022


Stewart Swerdlow was among the initial group of child participants that was involuntarily recruited into the Montauk Project that ran from 1970 to …

Rapid Heating of Neptune linked to activating Space Arks

April 15th, 2022


Astronomers are baffled by the rapid heating of the South Pole of the  planet Neptune recently detected by ground-based telescopes in Chile and …

Remote Viewing Extraterrestrials & Secret Space Programs - Interview with Dr. Courtney Brown

April 6th, 2022


In this Exopolitics Today interview Dr. Courtney Brown, Director and  Founder of the Farsight Institute discusses how remote viewing can be  used as …

Is an Ancient Space Ark at Lake Vostok heating up Antarctica?

April 1st, 2022


On March 18, news emerged of a heatwave in East Antarctica, the  epicenter of which was the Vostok region that sits atop a mysterious  lake two miles under the ice sheet. Scientists are baffled by the heat  surge of …

Remote Viewing Ceres Super soldiers & Mars Insectoid War

March 29th, 2022


In early 2022, Tony Rodrigues published his book, Ceres Colony Cavalier, in which he described in detail his "20 and back" experiences as a slave, …

Ancient Hall of Records Found in Romania, Kept Secret Since 2003

March 25th, 2022


In 2003, an amazing discovery was made of a large anomaly inside the  Bucegi Mountains of Romania. A high level Italian Freemason was the  first to alert a top secret paranormal unit of the Romanian intelligence …

Exploring President Eisenhower's Close Encounters

March 18th, 2022


Paul Blake Smith has extensively researched historical records, whistleblower testimony, and documentary evidence that President Dwight D. Eisenhower …

Are US Special Forces trapped in Ukraine Space Ark Now Controlled by Russia?

March 9th, 2022


Description: In this interview my long time source JP, who currently serves with the US Army, explains that an ovoid shaped space ark under the Ukraine desert near the city of Kherson has been taken over by the Russia …

"Space Arks, ET fleets, Ukraine & Humanity's Liberation": An Interview with Alex Collier & Elena Danaan"

March 7th, 2022


In this Exopolitics Today interview, Alex Collier and Elena Danaan discuss their latest intel regarding space arks, extraterrestrial fleets, Ukraine …

Interview with Dr. Robert Wood - Chief Editor of Selected by Extraterrestrials Book Series

March 4th, 2022


Dr. Robert Wood worked as an aerospace engineer and physicist for 43 years during which time he specialized on missile technology for Douglas …

Buried Ukraine space ark in Kherson activates so Russia takes over

March 3rd, 2022


News reports have confirmed that the Russian army has captured the Ukrainian port city and region (oblast) of Kherson, where an ancient space ark is claimed to be buried. According to two independent sources, the space …

FBI Special Agent Warns of Alien False Flag Attack

February 22nd, 2022


John DeSouza is a retired FBI Special Agent who served for 25 years on Counter-Terrorism and Paranormal cases. He has a law degree and possessed a Top Secret security clearance during his FBI career. Special Agent …

French SSP Insiders Speak Out

February 19th, 2022


Jean Charles Rousseau and David Rousseau both served as children and adults in a joint US French secret space program since 1981/1982. In this …

Were Starlink Satellites destroyed to prevent emergence of Quantum Communications?

February 18th, 2022


There has been much speculation over the destruction of 40 out of 49 Starlink microsatellites on February 8 that were shot down by the Deep State, …

Were Starlink satellites shot down by the Deep State?

February 13th, 2022


On February 8,  40 out of 49 Starlink satellites launched by Elon Musk’s SpaceX for his  space-based communications system failed to reach their orbital paths  and crashed back to Earth in a fiery display. SpaceX …

Atlantic Space Ark Rescue Mission

February 2nd, 2022


In his second mission to a space ark lying at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle, JP (who currently serves with  the …

2nd French Secret Space Program “20 & back” witness emerges

January 31st, 2022


At age eight, David Rousseau was recruited into a secret space program jointly run by the US and France, and served for 20 years before being age-regressed and returned back in time to 1981. In this first interview for …

Whistleblower exposes slave labor in USAF Secret Space Program

January 23rd, 2022


Niara Terela Isley served in the US Air Force from 1979 to 1983 and specialized in the newly developed "autotrack radar" designed to lock on to and track surface-to-air missiles and anti-aircraft artillery using …

Joint US China Mission to Giant ET Space Ark under Atlantic Ocean

January 17th, 2022


On January 10, 2022, my US Army insider, JP, revealed that he  participated in a classified mission to an extraterrestrial space ark  located under the Atlantic Ocean off the Florida coast in the vicinity  of Bermuda. …

Extraterrestrial Fleet arrives to watch humanity's liberation - Interview with James Gilliland

January 13th, 2022


A large fleet of spacecraft belonging to highly evolved extraterrestrials has recently entered our solar system according to James  Gilliland who has …

13 Years on Ceres with the Dark Fleet - An Interview with Tony Rodrigues

January 9th, 2022


In this Exopolitics Today interview,  Tony Rodrigues discusses the 20  years he spent as a slave which included 13 years working on a cargo  space …

Ancient Space Arks Activate with arrival of Intergalactic Confederation Fleet

January 8th, 2022


On January 4, 2022, I received an important update about ancient space arks being discovered on the Moon, Mars, Antarctica, and other locations in …

US Air Force Colonel leaks coordinates of ancient Antarctic Ruins

January 2nd, 2022


On December 26, my US Army source, JP, was given a set of geographical coordinates from an unnamed Lt Colonel (USAF) who simply told him to publicly …

Joint US China missions sent to crashed alien spacecraft discovered by Yutu 2

December 31st, 2021


In November 2021, a photo from China’s Yutu 2 Rover was released showing a cube-shaped object found on the farside of the Moon. According to JP, a pseudonym for my longtime source who currently serves with the US Army, …

The Cabal, Black Magic & Extraterrestrial Life

December 29th, 2021


Exopolitics Today interview featuring Brad Olsen author and publisher of multiple books dealing with the Cabal/Illuminati, black magic, the global …

20 Years & back with the French Secret Space Program

December 25th, 2021


In this Exopolitics Today interview, Jean Charles Moyen discusses extraterrestrial contact experiences that culminated in him being identified by …

Remote Viewing confirms Ashtar Command base hidden in Jupiter’s clouds

December 23rd, 2021


On December 17, the Farsight Institute released the results of multiple remote viewing sessions investigating the alleged existence of an “Ashtar …

Part 2 - Cabal leaders go to Antarctica to surrender to Extraterrestrials & Earth Alliance

December 19th, 2021


In his initial December 14 communication with Elena Danaan, Thor Han Eredyon mentioned that Oona, a member of the Intergalactic Confederation (aka the ‘Guardians’ or ‘Seeders’) had more details of the Antarctica …

Cabal leaders go to Antarctica to surrender to Extraterrestrials & Earth Alliance

December 16th, 2021


News has  recently emerged of global elites (aka cabal) going to Antarctica for a  secret meeting. We know from public tweets that Claus Schwab, Founder  and Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum, and Cristina …

Contact with Council of Nine & 24 ET Seeder Races

December 7th, 2021


In this Exopolitics Today interview, Elena Danaan discusses her recent trips to Ganymede and a nearby space fleet parked between Jupiter,  Ganymede …

Interview with US Army Whistleblower - Mission to Ganymede

December 1st, 2021


In this Exopolitics Today interview, a serving member of the US Army, JP, discusses his recent mission to Jupiter's moon, Ganymede, and the time he …

US Army Soldier Blows Whistle on Secret Missions to Ganymede & the Moon

November 24th, 2021


JP has served for almost two years in the US Army and has come forward to give his first interview discussing secret military missions by an international space coalition to the Moon, Ganymede and other locations in the …

French Contactee confirms Intergalactic Confederation is seeding human worlds

November 22nd, 2021


Robert L is an  extraterrestrial contactee from France who says that in 1969 he spent  nearly a year in a secret base in the Himalayas where he participated in  a genetic experiment to seed human life on a planet in …

Alex Collier on the Andromeda Council & Human Liberation

November 21st, 2021


In  this Exopolitics Today interview, Alex Collier discusses the Andromedan  Council and their multifaceted approach to freeing humanity and …

Contact with the Council of Nine & Roddenberry’s Star Trek Future

November 5th, 2021


One of the most  intriguing aspects of Gene Roddenberry’s creation of the Star Trek  franchise was his relationship with a mysterious extraterrestrial group  calling itself the Council of Nine that were being channeled …

Secret Underground War reaches its Final Countdown

October 26th, 2021


According to Val  Nek, a High Commander with the Galactic Federation of Worlds, we have  entered the Final Countdown in an epic behind the scenes war taking  place in remote underground facilities scattered throughout …

Update on Earth Alliance meetings on Ganymede with Intergalactic Confederation

October 17th, 2021


On October 15, I received an update on the recent meetings on Ganymede between representatives of the Earth Alliance with several extraterrestrial …

Earth Alliance Mission to Ganymede to greet ET visitors & inaugurate a Star Trek Future

October 13th, 2021


A fleet of spacecraft from a highly evolved group of friendly extraterrestrial visitors has arrived in our solar system and established a presence on …

Were Facebook & Social Media Blackouts due to Capture of Tall Gray Aliens?

October 7th, 2021


On October 3, I  reported on the sensational news that nine Tall Gray (Eban)  extraterrestrials had been captured by the Galactic Federation of Worlds  only four days earlier, which has sparked quite a bit of online …

Have Tall Gray alien leaders just been captured by the Galactic Federation?

October 3rd, 2021


On September 30,  I received an update from Elena Danaan and her extraterrestrial  contact, Thor Han Eredyon, concerning a contingent of Tall Gray alien  leaders from Orion who had just been captured by the Galactic …

China gives Dark Fleet Antarctica Bases to Earth Alliance for building future Space Fleets

September 27th, 2021


On September 24,  I received a new update about recent developments in Antarctica  concerning former Dark Fleet bases taken over by China, and how …

Are Secret Moon Construction Projects causing a Worldwide Labor Shortage?

September 22nd, 2021


Thousands  of small businesses have closed down in the US and around the world due  to stringent lockdowns and other health restrictions caused by …

We Will Never Let You Down (Book Review)

September 20th, 2021


We Will Never Let You Down is an extraordinary new book that gives unprecedented insights into the operations and philosophies of various …

Are suppressed healing technologies being mass produced on the Moon for public release?

September 15th, 2021


On September 11, I received an important update concerning the impending public release of advanced healing technologies that are being mass produced …

Galactic Federation is helping humanity build a Starfleet for Planetary Defense

September 10th, 2021


According to Val Nek, a High Commander with the Galactic Federation of Worlds, Earth is undergoing a major power shift with the exodus of the Dark …

Did the Galactic Federation just release its Prime Directive?

September 6th, 2021


In this Exopolitics Today interview, Elena Danaan, a former professional French archeologist, discusses a recent communication she received that …

Has US Space Command received advanced tech from Galactic Federation?

September 1st, 2021


The Galactic Federation of Worlds is sharing advanced technologies with the US Space Command to prevent future infiltration by hostile …

Interview on Dark Fleet Exodus from Ceres & Mars

August 31st, 2021


The latest intelligence from the Galactic Federation of Worlds is that the planetoid Ceres, has just been liberated, according to extraterrestrial …

2nd Source on Jupiter Meetings & Galactic Federation Intervention in Solar System

August 28th, 2021


A second source on an alleged set of meetings above Jupiter has come forward to share more details of what occurred and more startling information …

Did US Space Command Leader just confirm Jupiter Agreements?

August 28th, 2021


This week, US Space Command leader, General James Dickinson confirmed that over 100 agreements have been reached with different countries, agencies, and corporations for space related activities. Only a month earlier, …

Plans for a Star Trek Future began with US Navy in the 1950s

August 23rd, 2021


Exopolitics Today Podcast identifying the history, planning and creation of a Star Trek Future that secretly date back to the 1950s, and is most …

Did Bezos, Branson & Musk secretly travel to Jupiter for negotiations with the Galactic Federation?

August 18th, 2021


On July 11, to much fanfare, Richard Branson traveled on a Virgin Galactic spacecraft for a highly publicized trip to the edge of space—defined by …

Update on Jupiter Meetings with the Galactic Federation of Worlds

August 11th, 2021


More information has become available that better clarifies what happened at a set of secret meetings that took place in the upper atmosphere of …

Update on Galactic Federation Intervention in our Solar System

August 7th, 2021


In this Exopolitics Today interview, Elena Danaan begins by giving a short account of her work as a professional archeologist for 20 years, and what …

Was Mars moon Phobos just liberated from hostile extraterrestrial control?

July 29th, 2021


According to Elena Danaan, a former professional French archeologist, the latest real-time intelligence data received from the Galactic Federation of …

Reusable Rockets mark the launch of Two-Tiered space systems

July 23rd, 2021


On July 20, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos was one of the astronauts launched by  a reusable Blue Origin rocket above the Von Karman line—the official start …

Secret meetings near Jupiter decide the future of our Solar System?

July 19th, 2021


Agreements have  been passed on Jupiter yesterday between the different progressive  galactic coalitions and Terran military forces, to share the use and the  protection of this star system, regarding to economic and …

The Cosmic Hoax: What’s Coming?

July 8th, 2021


On July 4, Dr. Steven Greer released his latest documentary film - The Cosmic Hoax. In it, he presented evidence of a decades-long plan to stage an …

Leaked Summary of Classified UAP Report - Genuine or Disinformation?

July 6th, 2021


On June 30, veteran UFO researcher Richard Dolan released a leaked summary of the classified version of the UAP report delivered to the US Senate …

Multiple 'Galactic Federations' are Intervening in Human Affairs - Part 2

July 1st, 2021


In part one of this series, I discussed remote viewing sessions conducted by the Farsight Institute on the 'Galactic Federation of Worlds', which has allegedly been intervening on Earth from remote antiquity and even …

Remote Viewing the Galactic Federation of Worlds - Part 1

June 26th, 2021


In this two part series of articles, I plan to discuss five interplanetary organizations that have been described by different insiders and contactees that are relevant to any discussion of a Galactic Federation. Three …

Is the 4th Reich's Dark Fleet abandoning Antarctica?

June 12th, 2021


According to Elena Danaan, a former professional French archeologist who  claims to be a contactee with the 'Galactic Federation of Worlds', an …

June UAP Report will Confirm UFOs are Real but Intel Community disagrees over their Origins

June 7th, 2021


On June 4, five intelligence sources familiar with the contents of the yet to be released June UAP report prepared for the US Senate Intelligence Committee revealed some of its key findings to major news sites including …

The Untold History of America’s Reverse Engineering of Alien Spacecraft

May 30th, 2021


In the immediate post-World War II era, leaked documents reveal that the US military embarked on an ambitious research and development program aiming to reverse engineer recovered extraterrestrial spacecraft. 

In this …

Is Deep State silencing Insiders that threaten 'UFOs are a National Security Threat' Narrative?

May 30th, 2021


Recently, two insiders who had previously stated that some UFOs are reverse engineered spacecraft developed by major US  aerospace corporations were …

SSP Alliance Updates Resume – Dark Fleet, Earth, Moon & Mars Briefings

May 10th, 2021


An interview with Corey Goode about the latest Secret Space Programs  (SSP) Alliance updates. Corey describes being taken on board a Mayan SSP  craft where he met with his long time contact, Gonzales, who briefed  him …

An overview of Human-looking extraterrestrials & their agendas - 4th Interview with Elena Danaan

April 27th, 2021


In this interview with Dr. Michael Salla on Exopolitics Today, Elena Danaan gives an overview of the origins, history, and alliances of different …

Nazis and Reptilians in Antarctica – Uncovering the Truth through Remote Viewing

April 22nd, 2021


The Farsight Institute has just released the results of multiple remote viewing sessions focusing on the true history of Antarctica in terms of a …

Galactic Federation Intervention on Mars, Moon & Earth

April 11th, 2021


In this third interview on Exopolitics Today with Dr. Michael Salla, Elena Danaan discusses Galactic Federation operations against repressive …

Is an Alien False Flag Event Coming?

April 9th, 2021


Exopolitics Today Podcast discussing recent claims by Dr. Steven Greer that an Alien False Flag event is being planned by the Deep State, as best …

Extraterrestrial Contact & the Galactic Federation – 2nd Interview with Elena Danaan

March 22nd, 2021


In our 2nd interview, Elena Danaan recounts her personal contact experiences, the most dramatic of which involved an abduction at age nine by five …

Pope endorses Great Reset while Vatican hides environmentally friendly technologies

March 16th, 2021


On March 16, a book length interview of Pope Francis was published where he calls for the creation of a New World Order and Great Reset  following …

Supersoldiers & Extraterrestrial Agreements: Interview with Elena Danaan on Death of Stephen Chua

March 15th, 2021


This is a recorded interview of Elena Danaan by Dr Michael Salla about the death of Stephen Chua, a supersoldier from Singapore who only a week …

Are Middle East Wars a cover for Soldiers being sent to fight Extraterrestrials?

March 11th, 2021


A March 9 Zero Hedge article presents nine signs why the Biden administration is moving towards increased US military intervention in Syria and …

Techno Governments are Coming: Full Disclosure Needed More Than Ever

February 28th, 2021


On February 26, Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak formally proposed legislation that would authorize Techno-Governments. The legislation would allow …

Narenda Modi & Restoring India's Ancient Vedic Science: Vimanas & Genetic Supersoldiers

February 16th, 2021


On February 15, Time published an article depicting Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi as an unreliable democratic ally due to his right wing Hindu …

Deep State targets Xi Jinping in effort to stop Earth Alliance & Global Revolution

February 11th, 2021


The Atlantic Council recently released a policy paper on its website  titled: “The Longer Telegram: Toward a new American China Strategy”. The  paper …

The Earth Alliance, Full Disclosure & the Coming Global Revolution

February 6th, 2021


As the predicted days of darkness temporarily settle in upon the US and  world stage, a great effort is taking place behind-the-scenes over the  future direction of humanity as many White Hat groups and leaders are …

Was Earth’s Secret Occult Ruler eliminated in US led takedown of Global Deep State?

January 20th, 2021


On January 15,  it was announced by multiple news sites that Baron Benjamin de  Rothschild unexpectedly died of a heart attack at the age of 57 while …

Britain’s SAS & Global SpecOps trained to fight extraterrestrials

January 17th, 2021


On January 9, Britain’s Daily Star ran a story about elite SAS personnel  being trained to fight any potential adversary including  extraterrestrials. Rather than such training being based on a remote  possibility, …

President Kennedy’s UFO quest led to his Assassination & a Deep State Coup

January 7th, 2021


I am delighted to announce that Kennedy’s Last Stand: UFOs, MJ-12 & JFK’s Assassination has just been released as an audible book.  This book explains how Kennedy acquired a deep knowledge of UFOs (aka  flying …

Exopolitics & the 2nd American Revolution

January 2nd, 2021


Today, we are in the midst of a Second American Revolution where Deep State, rather than British, tyranny is to be overthrown. In the process, the …

Controversy over Israeli Scientist claims of US Alien agreement & Galactic Federation

December 19th, 2020


On December 4,  Professor Haim Eshed generated worldwide headlines when in an interview  published by the Israeli national newspaper, Yedioth Aharonot,  he revealed the existence of a secret US agreement with …

Israeli Scientist reveals US extraterrestrial agreements & joint Mars base

December 9th, 2020


Prof Haim Eshed, a senior scientist who for nearly 30 years headed Israel's space security program has revealed secret US extraterrestrial agreements, a joint US ET base on Mars, and how a Galactic Federation is closely …

General Flynn Pardoned: A Helping Hand for coming Revolution

November 29th, 2020


On November 25, President Donald Trump issued a full pardon to Lt Gen Michael Flynn that frees him from a politically driven criminal prosecution. …

Trump Fires Kissinger: Prison Planet has change in Management

November 28th, 2020


On November 25, President Donald Trump sacked 11 members of the influential Defense Policy Board. One was Dr. Henry Kissinger who has a long history …

Kennedys Last Stand and the Trump Card

November 13th, 2020


On November 12, 1963, President Kennedy reached a bold agreement with  Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev: joint lunar missions to end the Cold  War. …

Space Force sets priorities to prevent future Space War & maintain U.S. dominance

November 12th, 2020


On November 9, General Jay Raymond, the U.S. Space Force’s Chief of Space Operations, released a foundational document outlining the new military service’s priorities and management practices for the U.S. to remain …

NATO creates Space Center in Germany in move towards future Star Fleet

October 28th, 2020


On November 22, the Secretary General of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg confirmed that a Space Center would be established at Ramstein Air Base in Germany. …

Artemis Accords are a first step to a Space NATO & future Star Fleet

October 17th, 2020


On October 13, the Artemis Accords were signed between the United State and seven allied nations with national space programs: Australia, Canada, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, United Arab Emerates and United Kingdom. These …

Navy Seal recruited as CIA Assassin guarded flying saucers at S-4 Area 51

October 11th, 2020


What follows is my two part series of articles originally published on July 16 and July 19, 2009, on concerning the revelations of an …

Was Space Force delayed nearly 20 years to facilitate a Space Pearl Harbor?

October 3rd, 2020


The recently established United States Space Force is widely considered to be the brainchild of President Donald Trump, which has subsequently aroused suspicion, if not outright opposition, by those believing it to be a …

Elon Musk supports Neuralink & Transhumanism against AI - Why Full Disclosure is necessary

October 2nd, 2020


Elon Musk goes full transhumanist with his advocacy of Neurallink's brain implant. He believes we need brain implants to combat Artificial …

Trump and Q on the Invisible Enemy - the Extraterrestrial Factor

October 2nd, 2020


QAnon is a far-right conspiracy theory alleging that a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles running a global child sex-trafficking ring is plotting against President Donald Trump, who is battling them, leading to a "day …

Full response to Tucker Carlson video that off-world vehicles not made on this earth

October 2nd, 2020


Tucker Carlson did a short video segment on a New York Times story discussing “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.” My response was interspersed in a Special Report by Third Phase of Moon that featured a number …

Will a False Flag Asteroid Attack be Staged to Delay the 2020 Presidential Election?

September 24th, 2020


On November 4, 2016, NASA, FEMA, the Department of Energy, Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), U.S. Air Force, and the California Governor's Office of …

Is the Deep State sabotaging Space Force by cutting off Congressional Funding?

September 19th, 2020


This podcast is a response to news that the US Congress is not going to pass the National Defense Authorization Act for 2021, which is necessary for …

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