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Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next

100 EpisodesProduced by Daniel ThorsonWebsite

A podcast based inquiry into the next phase of the human experiment. Support this podcast:

100 Episodes | 2018 - 2021

Rob McNamara - Adult Development & Ensoulment

July 24th, 2021


Rob McNamara is an author, leadership coach, advisor and consultant with expertise in adult development and human performance. He is a co-founder of …

Zak Stein - The Eros of Ethics

June 28th, 2021


In this first conversation after a year sabbatical from the Emerge project I'm speaking with Zak Stein. This is a far ranging conversation about ethics, education, trauma, the erotics of moral understanding, and more. 

Emerge Returns: Solo Episode

June 28th, 2021


Emerge is back! This is a solo episode where I share a few life updates and thoughts about the evolution of the Emerge podcast.

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Inviting Canadians to a New Kind of Monastery

March 10th, 2021


Emerge invites you to a new kind of monastery for a (meta)modern world...

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The End of Emerge (For Now)

September 18th, 2020


I've decided to put this project on hold and dedicate myself more fully my work and training at the Monastic Academy. In this episode I share some of …

Zak Stein - American Culture's Psychotic Break (pt. 2)

July 9th, 2020


In the first episode after my 75 day silent retreat I sat down with Zak Stein to speak about the the current cultural moment and how we can respond …

Zak Stein - American Culture's Psychotic Break (pt. 1)

July 1st, 2020


In the first episode after my 75 day silent retreat I sit down with Zak Stein to speak about the the current cultural moment and how we can respond …

Soryu Forall - Manufactured Awakenings

March 13th, 2020


Soryu Forall is the founder and head-teacher of the Monastic Academy

Soryu has a decade of intensive monastic training, a degree in Economics from …

Andrew J. Taggart - Existential Openings & Psychotechnologies of Self-Transformation

March 11th, 2020


Andrew J Taggart is a practical philosopher, Zen Buddhist, and entrepreneur. Recently Andrew wrote an article called 'Psychotechnologies of …

Jonathan Reams - Waking Up & Growing Up: How Seeing the Virtuality of Self Supports Adult Development

March 11th, 2020


Jonathan Reams works at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), serves as Editor-in Chief of Integral Review, and is a co-founder …

Robert Kegan - The Five Stages of Adult Development (And Why You Probably Aren't Stage 5)

March 6th, 2020


Robert Kegan is a psychologist who teaches, researches, writes, and consults about adult development, adult learning, and professional development. …

Mark Feenstra - The Inner Dimension of the Meta-Crisis

March 1st, 2020


In this episode, I'm speaking with Mark Feenstra. Mark is co-founding a consulting and training ecosystem and incubator, called New Mainstream, which …

Rob Burbea - Emptiness, Postmodernism, and Sacred Participation

November 25th, 2019


On this episode I'm joined once again by meditation teacher and author Rob Burbea. For this conversation Jamie Bristow and I talk with Rob about his approach to emptiness, and how it can be a route beyond postmodern …

Jamie Bristow - Mindfulness as Metamodern Psychotechnology

November 18th, 2019


Jamie Bristow joins the show to respond to critiques against the mindfulness revolution and to make the case for mindfulness as a key metamodern …

The Future of the Emerge Podcast

November 4th, 2019


A solo episode where Daniel shares his vision for the next turn in the inquiry of the Emerge podcast.

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Rebel Wisdom // Future Thinkers // Emerge - Making Sense of the Sensemaking Web

October 14th, 2019


David Fuller, Mike Gilliland and I spend time jamming on the conversational space that we have been participating in, and attempt to make sense of …

Ronan Harrington - Extinction Rebellion: Collective Sacrifice and Metamodern Praxis

October 3rd, 2019


This week I'm speaking with Ronan Harrington about Extinction Rebellion. We talk about the strategic dilemmas of Extinction Rebellion, and how it functions as a practical exploration of metamodern theory. 

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Guy Sengstock - Circling Towards Meaningfulness & Collective Intelligence

September 23rd, 2019


In this episode I'm speaking with Guy Sengstock. Guy is the creator/discoverer of Circling, a relational meditation practice that is quickly spreading across the world. 

In this conversation, we cover such topics as:

- …

Zak Stein - Metapsychology, Soul, and Collapse (Pt. 2)

September 17th, 2019


In this episode, I'm speaking with writer, educator and futurist Zak Stein. We discuss 'Metapsychology', Zak's attempt to answer the question 'what …

Zak Stein - Metapsychology, Soul, and Collapse (Pt. 1)

September 10th, 2019


In this episode I'm speaking once again with writer, educator and futurist Zak Stein. We discuss 'Metapsychology', Zak's attempt to answer the …

Future Thinkers - Cultivating Human Sovereignty

September 2nd, 2019


Today on Emerge I’m speaking with Euvie Ivanova and Mike Gilliland, hosts of the Future Thinkers podcast. In this conversation we explore the concept of Sovereignty, how we are practicing it in our lives, and why it’s …

Mette Böll - Cultivating Generative Social Fields

August 26th, 2019


This week I'm speaking with Mette Böll (Boell). Mette is a biologist by training, specializing in the evolution of complex social systems, mammalian …

Christopher Life - OneNation: An Omni-Win US Political Party

August 12th, 2019


This week I'm speaking with Christopher Life. Christopher Life is the founder of OneNation, a new American political party dedicated to installing an …

Daniel Schmachtenberger - Utopia or Bust: Designing a Non Self-Terminating Civilization

August 5th, 2019


This week I'm speaking with Daniel Schmachtenberger.

Daniel is a founding member of The Consilience Project, aimed at improving public sensemaking and dialogue.

The throughline of his interests has to do with ways of …

State of the DAO Panel Discussion

July 29th, 2019


This week I am joined by Danilo Vaz, Stratis Karad, Jocelyn, and Felipe Duarte to explore all things Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs).

We talk about  what DAOs are and why they are significant, where the …

Joe Edelman - Designing Systems for Human Flourishing

July 22nd, 2019


Joe Edelman is a philosopher, social scientist, designer, and founder of Human Systems, a global community for those redesigning institutions and …

Tom Murray - Wisdom Skills

July 16th, 2019


In this conversation Tom Murray and I explore Tom’s model of ‘Wisdom Skills’. In this model Wisdom Skills are made up of both the movement of complexification and development (ascending), and the movement of simplicity …

Bayo Akomolafe - The Insurgency of the Invisible

July 8th, 2019


Today I'm speaking with Bayo Akomolafe. Bayo is a an academic, poet and philosopher who dedicates his life to mediating between the spiritual and the …

Bonnitta Roy - Six Ways to Go Meta

July 1st, 2019


Today on the show I'm speaking with Bonnitta Roy about her presentation 'Six Ways to Go Meta'.

We cover such topics as what  it mean to ‘go meta’, why the anthropocene is driving humans to discover new ways of ‘going …

Zak Stein - The Meta-Crisis is a Human Development Crisis: Education in a Time Between Worlds

June 24th, 2019


Today's conversation is with Zak Stein. Zak is a writer, educator and futurist working to bring a greater sense of sanity and justice to education. This recording was made in person at Zak's house in Northern Vermont.

Intermission with Both/And - Podcasting as a Spiritual Practice

June 13th, 2019


An inside baseball podcast about podcasting with Jason Snyder and Jared Janes of the Both/And podcast.

We chat about what we are seeing in the …

Dr. Douglas Tataryn - Emotions in Meditation and Human Development

May 20th, 2019


This week I'm speaking with Dr. Douglas Tataryn. Doug has created an elegant and effective system for emotional healing and understanding.  This work makes insights from years of study and practice as a …

Catherine McGee - Soulmaking in Collapse

May 13th, 2019


My guest today is Catherine McGee. Catherine has been teaching Insight Meditation retreats internationally since 1999, and since 2014 has been …

Jeremy Johnson - Jean Gebser & Mutating Consciousness in the Anthropocene

May 6th, 2019


Todays guest is Jeremy Johnson. Jeremy is the author of the new book 'Seeing Through the World: Jean Gebser and Integral Consciousness'. Jeremy is …

John Vervaeke - The Meaning Crisis

April 29th, 2019


Today's guest is John Vervaeke, PhD. John is an award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto in the departments of psychology, cognitive …

Skinner Layne - Embracing Collapse: Transforming Tragedy into Meaningfulness

April 22nd, 2019


My guest today is Skinner Layne. Skinner is the founder of Exosphere, a learning & problem-solving community and startup laboratory.

We talk …

Making Sense of Jem Bendell and Vinay Gupta with Bonnitta Roy

April 18th, 2019


A short making sense episode with frequent guest of the show Bonnitta Roy. We have a chat about the recent episodes with Jem Bendell and Vinay Gupta, …

Making Sense of Jem Bendell and Vinay Gupta with Peter Park

April 15th, 2019


A short making sense episode with friend and fellow monastic Peter Park. We have a chat about the recent episodes with Jem Bendell and Vinay Gupta, …

Vinay Gupta - Waking Up in the Monster Factory (pt. 2)

April 8th, 2019


This episode's guest is Vinay Gupta (@leashless). Vinay is the founder of Mattereum, the creator of the hexayurt, and part of the team that launched the Ethereum project. Vinay is also a deep spiritual practitioner, and …

Vinay Gupta - Waking Up in the Monster Factory (pt. 1)

April 1st, 2019


This episode's guest is Vinay Gupta (@leashless). Vinay is the founder of Mattereum, the creator of the hexayurt, and part of the team that launched the Ethereum project. Vinay is also a deep spiritual practitioner, and …

Dr. Jem Bendell - The Meaning and Joy of Inevitable Social Collapse

March 25th, 2019


Today I'm speaking with Dr. Jem Bendell. Jem exploded onto the internet with the release of his 'Deep Adaptation' paper, which has been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. The paper makes a very persuasive …

Check-in & Update

March 18th, 2019


No guest today, instead a short check-in and update about Emerge and the life of Daniel. 

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David Fuller - Rebel Wisdom, The Intellectual Dark Web & The Future of Media

March 11th, 2019


 Today's guest is David Fuller, founder of Rebel Wisdom. 

We talk about Jordan Peterson, the inspiration (and synchronicities) behind the founding …

Miki Kasthan - The Inseparability of Psychological and Social Transformation

March 4th, 2019


In this episode I’m speaking with Miki Kashtan. Through her work with Nonviolent Communication, movement building, and organization design, Miki …

Paul Krafel - The World Healing Game of Upward Spirals

February 25th, 2019


My conversation today is with naturalist and author Paul Krafel.

We talk about why you shouldn't go with the flow, how to discover opportunities for …

Nick Jankel - Post-Identity Tribalism in Culture War 2.0

February 18th, 2019


Nick Seneca Jankel is an author, professional speaker, leadership futurist, and philosopher. His recent book, Spiritual Atheism, reconciles spiritual and contemplative experience with science into a robust ‘human …

Jeremy Lent - Maps of Meaning for a World in Crisis

February 4th, 2019


In this episode I'm speaking with Jeremy Lent. Jeremy is the author of 'The Patterning Instinct: A Cultural History of Humanity's Search for Meaning' …

Robert MacNaughton - Learnings from the Life and Death of the Integral Center

January 28th, 2019


In this conversation I’m speaking with Robert McNuaghten. Robert was the founder and executive director of the Integral Center in Boulder Colorado …

James Surwillo - Metamodern Leadership and Millennial Heroics

January 21st, 2019


James Surwillo joins me in conversation this week to talk about his book 'Metamodern Leadership: A History of the Seven Values That Will Change the …

Miles Bukiet - Monasteries of the Future

January 14th, 2019


Miles Bukiet joins Emerge this week to talk about his paper ‘Monasteries of the Future’.  

We talk about the role of monasteries in the emerging …

Ria Baeck - Emergent Collective Practice and Applied Presence

December 24th, 2018


In this episode of Emerge I'm speaking with Ria Baeck. Ria is a visionary practitioner in the domain of group process, facilitation, and …

Joachim Stroh - Collective Sensemaking and Presence in Digital Spaces

December 17th, 2018


On this episode of Emerge I'm speaking with Joachim Stroh. Joachim is the co-founder of Change Agents Worldwide and the creator of the Social Ledger …

Jared Janes - Stream Entry, Philosophy and the Terror of Getting What You Want

December 13th, 2018


In this episode I'm speaking with Jared Janes (@jaredjanes). Jared is the host of the Impactful Podcast, as well as a friend and off-air …

Gail Bradbrook - Extinction Rebellion

December 11th, 2018


On this episode, I’m speaking with Gail Bradbrook. Gail is a founder of Extinction Rebellion, one of the most exciting political movements on the …

Peter Park - (Meta)Modern Monasticism and Existential Risk

December 3rd, 2018


In this episode of Emerge I'm speaking with Peter Park. Peter is a teacher and Assistant Director at the Monastic Academy in Lowell, Vermont.

Peter and I talk about what a 'modern monastery is', the choice between …

Peter Limberg - Memetic Tribes, Culture War 2.0, and the Perils of Grey Pilling

November 26th, 2018


In this episode, I'm speaking with Peter Limberg. Peter is the creator of the Intellectual Explorers Club in Toronto, CA as well as co-author of …

Nora Bateson - Awakening Interdependence and Evolving Systems with Warm Data

November 19th, 2018


Nora Bateson is a Filmmaker, writer, educator, lecturer and President of the International Bateson Institute.

In this conversation we discuss how …

John Michael Greer - The Kek Wars: How Chaos Magic Influenced the 2016 US Presidential Election

November 12th, 2018


In this episode John Michael Greer and I discuss his 'Kek Wars' article series on how the Chans used magick to influence the 2016 elections.

We talk …

Zak Stein - A Metaphysics of Love for a Time Between Worlds

October 29th, 2018


On this episode of Emerge I’m speaking with Zak Stein. Zak is a writer, educator, and futurist working to bring a greater sense of sanity and justice to education (and beyond).

Zak joins me on the show to speak about …

Adam Robbert - Breaking the Binary of Theory & Practice

October 25th, 2018


In this conversation Adam Roberts (@knowledgeecology) and I explore the idea of philosophical inquiry as perceptual transformation.

We talk about the …

Terry Patten - Integral Theory & Metamodernism, Irony & Sincerity, and Why Voting Matters

October 22nd, 2018


In this conversation, I’m speaking with Terry Patten. Terry is a leading voice in the integral movement as an author, speaker, and teacher focusing …

Richard Bartlett - Occupy Wall Street as Bootstrapping Collective Intelligence

October 18th, 2018


In this conversation, I speak with Richard Dennis Bartlett. Richard is an author, organizational consultant, and founder of Loomio and The Hum, as …

Indra Adnan - Catalyzing a Networked Politics with The Alternative UK

October 15th, 2018


On this episode of Emerge I’m speaking with Indra Adnan. Indra is the ‘co-initiator’ of the Alternative UK, a new political platform aiming to …

Jake Vartanian - Native: A Crypto Platform for Prosperous Communities

October 11th, 2018


On this episode of Emerge I’m speaking with Jake Vartanian. Jake is the founder of Native, a platform for communities to create their own economic architecture using cryptocurrency.

This is a project, like DAOStack, …

Jordan Greenhall - Anti-Rivalry, QAnon, and SOCIs (Oh my!)

October 8th, 2018


In this conversation, Jordan Greenhall and I talk about Rivalrous and Anti-Rivalrous dynamics, the rise of self-organizing collective intelligences …

Joe Brewer - State of the Collapse

October 4th, 2018


In this episode, I speak with Joe Brewer about the on-going collapse of our planetary system, the emotional and psychological difficulties of …

Bonnitta Roy - A Source Code Analysis of Collective Action 💞

September 10th, 2018


In this episode of Emerge, Bonnitta Roy and I explore a Source Code analysis of Collective Action. This is the third and final conversation in our …

Rob Burbea - Meditation Fantasies & The Soulmaking Dharma

September 3rd, 2018


In this conversation with meditation teacher and author Rob Burbea we discuss the role of fantasy in meditation, the purpose of what Rob calls the …

Bonnitta Roy - A Source Code Analysis of Trust 🤝

August 31st, 2018


In this conversation, Bonnitta Roy and I explore what trust means within the context of complex and unpredictable systems.

What is trust? How do we act in ways that amplify trust? And what does all this tell us about …

Bonnitta Roy - A Source Code Analysis of Power 💪

August 27th, 2018


In this first in a set of three conversations, Bonnitta Roy and I talk about a Source Code Analysis of the concept of Power. We explore how to speak and think about power in a way that releases complexity, cuts through …

Vincent Horn - What Wants to Emerge Now?

August 20th, 2018


In this episode Vincent Horn and I speak on behalf of what wants to emerge now. We discuss the battle for our attention, the relationship between the …

Max Borders - The Coming Social Singularity

August 13th, 2018


This conversation is with Max Borders, author of 'The Social Singularity: How decentralization will allow us to transcend politics, create global …

Rob Burbea Responds

August 8th, 2018


In this episode, Rob Burbea and I have a conversation responding to questions, concerns, and feedback arising our of our first conversation (released last week). The feedback was taken from the /r/streamentry …

Moritz Bierling - Metamodern Politics + Holochain = 🔥💞🌎🤸

August 6th, 2018


What do you get when you combine an emerging vision of politics with new expressive capacities in human coordination? Humanity may be about to find …

Stephen Reid - Psychedelic Renaissance

July 30th, 2018


Stephen Reid and his co-conspirators at The UK Psychedelic Society are pioneering a contemporary re-imagining of the ancient art of facilitating transformational experiences using entheogenic substances.

In this …

Jordan Greenhall & Bonnitta Roy - After Jordan Peterson

July 26th, 2018


In this particularly liminal episode of Emerge Bonnitta Roy, Jordan Greenhall, and I attempt to generate some actionable clarity in response to a …

Rob Burbea - A Spiritual Paradigm for The Infinite Game

July 23rd, 2018


In this episode of Emerge, I speak with Rob Burbea about a new spiritual paradigm that he calls the 'Imaginal' and the 'Soulmaking Dharma'.

Rob …

Ronan Harrington - The Praxis of Metamodern Political Change

July 16th, 2018


A conversation with Ronan Harington about the nitty gritty praxis of systems change, the realities of the emerging metamodern subculture, and some of …

Making Sense of Holochain

July 15th, 2018


Ethan and Daniel attempt to make sense of the Holochain episode with Ferananda Ibarra.


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Ferananda Ibarra - WTF is Holochain?!

July 9th, 2018


This week my guest is Ferananda Ibarra.

Ferananda is internationally recognized in the fields of collective intelligence and the next economy. The …

Hanzi Freinacht - The Six Metamodern Political Strategies (pt. 2)

June 29th, 2018


Part 2 of my conversation with Hanzi Freinacht on the six strategic forms of a metamodern politics.

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Making Sense of Hanzi (pt. 1)

June 26th, 2018


Ethan and Daniel have a conversation about part one of the episode with Hanzi Freinacht.


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Hanzi Freinacht - Towards a Metamodern Politics (pt. 1)

June 26th, 2018


A conversation with Hanzi Freinacht, the author of 'The Listening Society: A Metamodern Guide to Politics'.

This episode is part one of a two part …

Where Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, and Ezra Klein Go Wrong

May 25th, 2018


In this episode of Emerge I speak with Bonnitta Roy. Bonnitta is the founding principle of Alderlore Insight Center, a non-profit adult learning …

Making Sense of the Darren Silver Episode

May 17th, 2018


Ethan and Daniel talk about the most recent episode of Emerge with Darren Silver.


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Darren Silver - Storying Our Way to a Sacred World

May 17th, 2018


How do we speak in a way that re-enchants the world? That invites a more beautiful experience of life? This conversation speaks to those questions, …

Making Sense of the Jordan Greenhall Episode

April 18th, 2018


Ethan and Daniel have a sense-making conversation about the Jordan Greenhall episode of Emerge.


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Jordan Greenhall - Sovereignty, Resonance, and Liminality

April 17th, 2018


In order to enjoy this episode of Emerge you will need to be familiar with Jordan Greenhall's model of Sovereignty.

Do not venture into this episode without checking out some or all of the resources listed below or you …

Experiments in Sense-Making #1: Beyond Expertise

April 4th, 2018


Ethan and Daniel attempt to make sense of some of the topics discussed on recent episodes of Emerge.

This episode will make most sense if you listen first to the recent episode with Melissa Michaels and have at least …

Emerge 010: "A More Beautiful Question" Warren Berger

March 15th, 2018


On this episode of Emerge my guest is Warren Berger. Warren is the author of the book ‘A More Beautiful Question’.

In this conversation we talk about …

Emerge 009: "Bridging Technology And Consciousness" Adam Curry

March 15th, 2018


In this episode of Emerge I speak with Adam Curry. Adam is an inventor and tech entrepreneur in San Francisco. His most recent work is an application called Entangled, which he refers to as the SETI of consciousness …

Emerge 008: "Emergent Creativity" Tiago Forte

March 15th, 2018


On this episode of Emerge, I speak with Tiago Forte. Tiago is the founder of Forte Labs, a productivity training and consulting firm in the bay area. …

Emerge 007: "The Smog Of Racism" Alison Cohen

March 15th, 2018


On this Episode of Emerge I speak with Alison Cohen. Alison works as an instructional coach for public high school teachers and as a mindfulness …

Emerge 005: "Trust And Self-Organizing Systems" Christina Bowen

March 15th, 2018


In this episode of emerge I speak with Christina Bowen. Christina is a knowledge ecologist working on such topics as collective intelligence, global …

Emerge 004: Taylor Pearson "The End of Jobs"

March 15th, 2018


Taylor Pearson joins me for this episode of Emerge. Taylor is an entrepreneur and author of the book ‘The End of Jobs’, an account of the changing nature of our economy and how to re-imagine your relationship to work …

Emerge 003: Scott Santen "Basic Income"

March 15th, 2018


Today we have on the show Scott Santens. Scott is a writer and advocate of what’s known as a basic guaranteed income. In this episode we go over the basics of basic income as well as some of the philosophical and …

Emerge 002: Chris Dancy "Smartphone Loneliness"

March 15th, 2018


This episode's guest is Chris Dancy. Chris has been called “the most connected human on earth” and has been featured on Fox News, NPR, BBC, TechCrunch, Mashable, and Wired, among others. He is a contemplative platform …

Emerge 001: David Loy "A World Between Stories"

March 15th, 2018


The first guest on Emerge is author, philosopher and activist David Loy. David and I first met at the Occupy Boulder General Assembly and our …

Emerge 006: "Planetary Transformation through Culture Design" Joe Brewer

March 15th, 2018


In this episode of Emerge I speak with Joe Brewer. Joe is the creator of a new field he calls Culture Design. He has a unique background in physics, …

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