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Exploring the relationship between science and religion

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Elevating the Discourse with Vikki Gaskin-Butler

March 9th, 2023

Episode 118

In part 20 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with the Rev Dr Vikki Gaskin-Butler. 


She is a licensed …

Life on Mars and Heaven on Earth with Pamela Conrad

March 1st, 2023

Episode 117

Today, we are joined by the one and only Rev. Dr. Pamela Conrad. is the rector of St. Alban’s Episcopal Church in Glen Burnie, Maryland. …

Elevating the Discourse with Emily Gerdin

February 22nd, 2023

Episode 116

In part 19 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Emily Gerdin. She was raised in two faiths growing up (Judaism & Protestantism), and her interfaith upbringing inspired her to …

Elevating the Discourse with Stephen Burgin

January 18th, 2023

Episode 115

In part 18 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Dr Stephen Burgin. He is an associate professor of secondary science education at the University of Arkansas. His research interests …

Elevating the Discourse with Tyler J Fuller

December 14th, 2022

Episode 114

In part 17 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Tyler J Fuller. Tyler is a Ph.D. student in the Graduate …

Gazing Into Eternity with Guy Consolmagno

December 7th, 2022

Episode 113

Today, we are joined by astronomer, author, speaker, and Director of the Vatican Observatory, Guy Consolmagno! We talk about asteroid …

Elevating the Discourse with Richard Middleton

November 9th, 2022

Episode 112

In part 16 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Dr. Richard Middleton. Dr. Middleton is Professor of Biblical Worldview and Exegesis at Northeastern Seminary in Rochester, NY. He …

Infinite Doubt with Dr. Andrew Newberg

November 2nd, 2022

Episode 111

We're back! After an unannounced and unexpected hiatus, we are back with new episodes, interviews, and surprises. Today, we sit down with …

James Webb Space Telescope Special

July 20th, 2022

Episode 110

Let's all geek out about the James Webb Space telescope!!!

If you haven't seen the first five pictures that NASA released from Webb, make sure you check them out here...


Healing Part 3: Healing vs Curing

June 29th, 2022

Episode 109

Do prayers for healing work? Do "thoughts and prayers" actually have a measurable effect on a sick person? What should we be praying for …

Elevating the Discourse with Joseph Shane

June 16th, 2022

Episode 108

In part 15 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Dr. Joseph Shane. He teaches us how to navigate contentious spaces, how to communicate across the pews, and how to have a more …

Healing Part 2: Nature is Healing

June 8th, 2022

Episode 107

Do you remember that brief "anthropause" in 2020 when billions of people stayed inside due to COVID? Do you remember seeing dolphins in …

Re-Wilding Christianity with Brian McLaren

May 25th, 2022

Episode 106

We are thrilled to be joined today by author, speaker, and public theologian, Brian McLaren. His new book, "Do I Stay Christian?: A Guide …

Healing Part 1: The Return of the Maggots

May 18th, 2022

Episode 105

Maggots! Bloodletting! Graverobbers! Decapitated ducks! Cornflakes! This episode has it all! Join us on this wild ride through the history of Western Medicine as we look at the breakthroughs, setbacks, …

Life, the Universe, and Everything with David Wilkinson

May 5th, 2022

Episode 104

Today we welcome the Rev Dr David Wilkinson all the way from Durham, England. Dr Wilkinson is an ordained Methodist minister with PhDs in …

Talking BioLogos with Jim Stump

April 20th, 2022

Episode 103

We are so excited to welcome Dr James Stump to the podcast today. Jim is the Vice President of Programs at BioLogos and hosts the podcast, Language of God. He is a passionate speaker, author, and organizer …

Time Part 4: When is Hanukkah?

March 30th, 2022

Episode 102

How do we mark the passage of time, and how do we encounter the divine within it? From Shabbat to the Eucharist, our religious rituals play with time in unexpected ways. Take some time with us and explore …

Time Part 3: The Shape of Time

March 16th, 2022

Episode 101

Let's talk about reincarnation, end times prophecies, and the shapes of our stories today. Kendra helps us to think deeply about how the shape of time informs the shape of our story and the ways that we make …

100th Episode Extravaganza!

February 23rd, 2022

Episode 100

Episode number 100! Can you believe it?! It seems like only yesterday, we were nervously launching this podcast, wondering if anyone …

Time Part 2 with Dr. Timothy Maness

February 9th, 2022

Episode 99

Last time, we talked about relativistic time and its implications for faith in a theistic god. That conversation was... heady to say the least. So, here to help us further understand what all that means is …

Time Part 1 (It’s All Relative)

January 26th, 2022

Episode 98

This episode was originally recorded in early November and was set to be released at the end of December, but here we are at the end of January instead because time is a funny thing, isn't it? The moment you …

Womanist Psychology of Religion with Rev. Dr. Vikki Gaskin-Butler

January 5th, 2022

Episode 97

Today we are joined by psychologist, pastor, professor, podcaster, and the most interesting person you will meet today, the Rev. Dr. Vikki …

Faith, Astronomy, and Space Telescopes with Dr Jennifer Wiseman

December 22nd, 2021

Episode 96

We are beyond thrilled to welcome Dr Jennifer Wiseman to the podcast today. We talk about her faith journey as well as her work in astronomy as she helps us to understand why the James Webb Space Telescope …

Special Omicron Variant Update with Dr Daniel Janies

December 8th, 2021

Episode 95

As much of the US is caught in the grips of yet another wave of COVID-19 infections from the Delta variant, a new, sinister sounding mutation has been making news. The Omicron Variant. What is it? Why is it …

Mental Health Part 5 (Traumatic Brain Injury)

December 1st, 2021

Episode 93

In part 5 of our mental health miniseries, we're talking about what makes us who we are. If our brain is the center of our personalities and identities, what happens when our brains get broken? Rachael tells …

Mental Health Part 4 (Schizophrenia)

November 18th, 2021

Episode 93

In part 4 of our mental health miniseries, we talk about psychosis in general and schizophrenia in particular. Why does Hollywood …

Mental Health Part 3 (Autism Spectrum Disorder)

November 3rd, 2021

Episode 92

When is non-neurotypical behavior something to be 'cured', and when is it something to be celebrated? Is ASD a problem to be solved, or is …

Mental Health Part 2 (Anxiety)

October 21st, 2021

Episode 91

In part 2 of our mental health miniseries, Ian leads us through an achingly vulnerable and well-research exploration of Anxiety. What is …

Mental Health Part 1 (Depression)

October 6th, 2021

Episode 90

Welcome back to the podcast! After a brief break, we're back with new episodes to usher in our third year of podcasting.  We're getting started on a personal note, delving into the science, spirituality, and …

Palmer Seminary Science and Religion Symposium (Oct 1 and 2)

September 29th, 2021


We're back with new episodes starting next week, but in the meantime, we want to make sure that you are all aware of the incredible science and religion symposium that is happening this weekend at Palmer Seminary. Zack …

RE-RELEASE: DtW Goes to the Movies (Star Trek: Generations)

September 8th, 2021


While we are hard at work on the next season, we are re-releasing some of our favorite episodes. Way back at the beginning of this awful pandemic …

RE-RELEASE: Conflict Language (Who‘s Authority is it Anyway?)

September 1st, 2021


While we are hard at work on the next season, we are re-releasing some of our favorite episodes. This one was our fifth episode way back on September 4th 2019. When we recorded this, we had no idea how the battle for …

RE-RELEASE: Human Origins (Did Neanderthals go to Heaven?)

August 25th, 2021


While we are hard at work on the next season, we are re-releasing some of our favorite episodes. This one originally aired on January 15th, 2020.


RE-RELEASE: Dr Scott the Paleontologist (Re-Enchanting the Natural World)

August 18th, 2021


While we get the next season of DtW ready, we are re-releasing some of our favorite episodes. This one was especially fun.


This episode originally aired on June 16th 2020




We are thrilled to welcome …

Medical Ethics Part 5 (Death)

July 28th, 2021

Episode 89

Despite the fact that all living things die, most people refuse to talk about it until it directly affects them. That's too bad, because planning for death can make living so much more vibrant. In this …

Medical Ethics Part 4 (Hairs in Places They're Not Supposed to Be)

July 14th, 2021

Episode 88

Our exploration of medical issues along the span of our lives has reached the middle age. That strange period of time whose goalposts are constantly shifting because the people on the lower end don't want to …

Medical Ethics Part 3 (When is a Life a Life?)

July 2nd, 2021

Episode 87

For many people, pregnancy is an exciting and hopeful time, but for carriers of hereditary diseases, it can be a nightmare. For centuries, …

Medical Ethics Part 2 (Let's Talk About Sex)

June 16th, 2021

Episode 86

There is nothing more natural than sex. It is literally the reason why you exist! Yet despite that, we seem to have a really hard time talking about it. Our experiences with sex-ed are vastly dissimilar. Some …

Artificial Intelligence Part 5 (The Moment Where Homo Sapiens Die)

June 2nd, 2021

Episode 85

You may be wondering if something is wrong with your podcast feed because this episode is clearly about AI when we already finished that …

Elevating the Discourse with Eric Elnes

May 26th, 2021

Episode 84

In part 14 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with the Rev Dr Eric Elnes. He believes that we are in a sort of spiritual seismic shift that has not been experienced in 2,000 years, and …

Medical Ethics Part 1 (Of Mice and Daddy Issues)

May 19th, 2021

Episode 83

For the next five weeks, we are going to talk about "medical ethics" broadly, but specifically about the various stages of being alive, from birth to death. In part 1, we're starting at the beginning. How …

Elevating the Discourse with Jonathan Crane

May 12th, 2021

Episode 82

In part 13 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with the Rabbi Dr. Jonathan Crane. We talk about the various ways that religious and generational groups handle trauma, how we can reclaim …

Artificial Intelligence Part 4 (Computerized Clergy)

May 5th, 2021

Episode 81

What do robotic Torah scribes, Bluetooth rosaries, and a decapitated hitchhiking robot have in common? They're all teaching us what it means to be spiritual beings in the 21st century. Whether we like it or …

The Pandemic Podcast with Dr Daniel Janies (One Year Later)

April 21st, 2021

Episode 80

One year ago, way back in episode 30, Dr Daniel Janies spoke with us about the emerging SARS-CoV-2 virus and the resultant COVID-19 …

Elevating the Discourse with Elizabeth Fernandez (Podcaster and Science Writer)

April 14th, 2021

Episode 79

In part 12 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Dr Elizabeth Fernandez. She is an astrophysicist, science communicator, and host of the SparkDialog podcast. Her podcast is on …

Artificial Intelligence Part 3 (My Robot Teacher)

April 7th, 2021

Episode 78

In Part 3 of our AI miniseries, we explore the new reality of digital learning. Computers, video, and algorithmic teaching aids are here to stay, so how can we make sure that they are used to help everyone, …

Elevating the Discourse with Muhammad Aurangzeb Ahmad (Professor/Researcher)

March 31st, 2021

Episode 77

In part 11 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Muhammad Aurangzeb Ahmad. He is an Affiliate Associate Professor in the Department of Computer Science at University of Washington …

Artificial Intelligence Part 2 (Who Wants To Live Forever?)

March 24th, 2021

Episode 76

If you had the power to augment your body so that you could live forever, would you do it? If life-saving technology exists, are we …

Elevating the Discourse with Seth Villegas (PhD Student)

March 17th, 2021

Episode 75

In part 10 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Seth Villegas. He is a PhD student in constructive theology at …

Artificial Intelligence Part 1 (More Machine Than Man)

March 10th, 2021

Episode 74

In our new miniseries, we are talking about artificial intelligence, machine ethics, transhumanism, and what it means to be a human. In our first episode, we're talking about cyborgs and why you already are …

Elevating the Discourse with Matthew Groves (science and faith educator)

March 3rd, 2021

Episode 73

In part 9 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Matthew Groves. He was once described on NPR as a "one man science-religion reconciliation committee". With a background in Physics …

Space Part 5 (Home Sweet Mars)

February 24th, 2021

Episode 72

It's only a matter of time before human beings become an extra-terrestrial species. As people make plans for permanent settlements on the Moon, Mars, and beyond, what considerations are being made about what …

Elevating the Discourse with Casey Bien-Aimé (Chaplain)

February 10th, 2021

Episode 71

In part 8 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Rev Casey Bien-Aimé. She is the Spiritual Care Coordinator and Endowed Chair of Pastoral Care at Lankenau Medical Center. We talk …

Space Part 4 (Space Junk in the Orbital Trunk)

February 3rd, 2021

Episode 70

The U.S. Space Surveillance Network tracks over 23,000 pieces of debris the size of a soft ball or larger. An additional 500,000 objects larger than a centimeter also orbit Earth, and there are millions of …

Elevating the Discourse with Amanda Glaze-Crampes (Science Education Professor)

January 27th, 2021


In part 8 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Dr. Amanda Glaze-Crampes. A self described "Facilitator of Magic", she teaches future teachers how to inspire the next generation of scientists. …

Space Part 3 (Living with Tiny Aliens)

January 20th, 2021


Last Spring, Adam published a book called "Living with Tiny Aliens: The Image of God for the Anthropocene", and it's high time we talk about it! It …

Space Part 2 (Signs of Life)

December 16th, 2020

Episode 67

Did you hear? Scientists found life on Venus! Well... Not quite. But maybe! Also maybe not... It's all a bit uncertain, but we're here to untangle it for you. We're talking biosignatures, poop on the moon, …

Elevating the Discourse with Dr Telli Davoodi (Cognitive Psychologist)

December 9th, 2020


In part 7 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with the Dr. Telli Davoodi. She is a postdoctoral fellow in psychology at …

Space Part 1 (The Next Copernican Revolution?)

December 2nd, 2020


Space: the final frontier...

Nothing captivates our imagination like the vast expanse of outer space. For as long as humans have been alive, we've been inspired by the stars, the planets, and what exists beyond our …

Elevating the Discourse with Rabbi Jordan Shaner

November 18th, 2020

Episode 64

In part 6 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with the Rabbi Jordan Shaner. He is the assistant rabbi at Temple Sinai Congregation of Toronto, Ontario. His rabbinic thesis focused on …

Big Emotions Part 6 (Gratitude)

November 11th, 2020

Episode 63

We're wrapping up our miniseries on big emotions with one of the most important ones, gratitude. Over the past 20 years, researchers have shown what we've intrinsically known for hundreds of thousands of …

Elevating the Discourse with Kristel Clayville (Ethicist and Chaplain)

November 4th, 2020

Episode 62

In part 5 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with the Rev Dr Kristel Clayville. She is the former Acting Director …

Big Emotions Part 5 with Micah Roberts (Resiliency)

October 28th, 2020

Episode 61

In part 5 of our miniseries on "big emotions", we're talking about resiliency. Yes, that's right. After digging into awe, disgust, shame, and anger, we're concluding with some practical advice for being …

Elevating the Discourse with Carolyn Hall (Marine Ecologist/Dancer)

October 21st, 2020


In part 4 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Carolyn Hall. She is a Brooklyn based historical marine ecologist, science …

Big Emotions Part 4 (Anger)

October 14th, 2020


In part 4 of our new miniseries on "big emotions", we're talking about anger! You may have noticed that there is a lot of that going around right now, but have we stopped to think about it or are we too quick to …

Elevating the Discourse with John Van Sloten (Pastor/Author)

October 7th, 2020


In part 3 of our Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with Rev John Van Sloten. He is a pastor and author currently based in Calgary. …

Big Emotions Part 3 (Shame)

September 30th, 2020

Episode 57

In part 3 of our new miniseries on "big emotions", we're talking about shame! What is the difference between shame and guilt? Why are we …

Elevating the Discourse with Mark Bloom (Science Professor)

September 23rd, 2020

Episode 56

In part 2 of our new Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with a familiar guest. It's friend of the show, Dr Mark Bloom! He …

Big Emotions Part 2 (Disgust)

September 16th, 2020

Episode 55

(CW: homophobia and transphobia, discussion around disgust as a response to LGBTQ+ people)

In part 2 of our new miniseries on "big emotions", we're talking about disgust! Why do we feel repelled by certain …

Elevating the Discourse with Briana Pobiner (paleoanthropologist)

September 9th, 2020

Episode 54

In part 1 of our new Sinai and Synapses interview series, we are talking with a familiar guest, Dr Briana Pobiner. She is a …

Big Emotions Part 1 (Awe and Asparagus Urine)

September 2nd, 2020

Episode 53

In part 1 of our new miniseries on "big emotions", we explore the one of the biggest emotions of all, awe. What makes something …

One Year Pod-iversary Live Q&A Episode

August 26th, 2020

Episode 52

To celebrate our one year "pod-iversary", we hosted our first ever live streamed episode with questions from our Patrons and listeners. It …

Racism Part 4 with Dr Tehia Starker Glass (Anti-Racism in Education)

August 19th, 2020

Episode 51

In the final episode of our miniseries on race and racism in science and religion, we welcome special guest Dr Tehia Starker Glass to discuss what anti-racism looks like, and how we can make a difference in …

Armchair Expert Crossover and Special Announcement

August 12th, 2020

Special Announcement

To celebrate our one year anniversary, we are hosting a live episode on Friday August 21st from 4-5 EDT. We will be streaming on …

Racism Part 3 with the Color Correction Podcast (Environmental Justice)

August 5th, 2020


Episode 49

In our first true "crossover" episode, we join forces with the Color Correction Podcast to explore the complicated world of environmental …

Ologies Crossover

July 29th, 2020


During this miniseries on race and racism in science and religion, we are taking the opportunity to share some of our favorite podcasts with you. This episode comes to you from The Ologies Podcast and (like all of her …

Racism Part 2 (The Bible and Liberation)

July 22nd, 2020

Episode 47

The Bible is a dangerous collection of writings, written mostly by people who lived under the oppressive thumb of empire. Ironically, …

Ten Percent Happier Crossover

July 15th, 2020

Episode 46(ish)

A major part of this miniseries on race and racism is our desire to elevate the work of others that we have found particularly …

Racism Part 1 (Colorblind No More)

July 8th, 2020

Episode 45

As we begin our miniseries on race and racism in science and religion, we have to start with where we are as individuals and where we have been. It's so easy for us to teach this stuff academically while …

Color Correction Crossover

July 1st, 2020



Find out more about the Color Correction Podcast at and be sure to subscribe to them wherever you …

Our Digital Presence Part 6 (Screen Time in the Meantime)

June 24th, 2020

Episode 43

We've all done it, right? Especially during the pandemic. Our children are bored or unruly so we reach for the tablet, the gaming system, …

Our Digital Presence Part 5 with Dr Scott "the Paleontologist" Sampson (Reenchanting the Natural World)

June 17th, 2020

Episode 42

We are thrilled to welcome Dr Scott Sampson to the DtW podcast! Those of you with small children probably know him best as Dr Scott the …

Our Digital Presence Part 4 (ASMR or The Touch of God?)

June 10th, 2020

Episode 41

If you've been around YouTube long enough, you've probably bumped into the phenomenon that is ASMR. If you are unfamiliar with it, do yourself a favor and watch one of the videos in the description first. …

Our Digital Presence Part 3 with Ruth Shaver (The Online-ification of Education)

June 3rd, 2020

Episode 40

In part 3 of our miniseries, we are taking a look at the past, present, and future of education. Teachers are being forced online due to the pandemic, but will this fundamentally change how we educate …

Our Digital Presence Part 2 (Important Made Up Stuff)

May 27th, 2020

Episode 39

In part 2 of our miniseries on our digital presence, we take a deeper dive into the wonderful world of ritual and how we are working that …

Our Digital Presence Part 1 (Oreo Communion)

May 20th, 2020

Episode 38

In part 1 of our new miniseries exploring our digital presence in these "corona-days", we are looking at our religious rituals. Why do some of our rituals seem to transition easily to the internet while …

DtW Goes to the Movies Part 6 (Jurassic Park)

May 13th, 2020

Episode 37

In the final episode of our miniseries on science and religion in film, we're taking you to a remote island off the coast of Costa Rica that is teeming with dinosaurs and valuable moral lessons. It's Jurassic …

DtW Goes to the Movies Part 5 (Interstellar)

May 6th, 2020

Episode 36

In part 5 of our miniseries on film, we are literally taking you down the wormhole to visit the 2014 scifi masterpiece, Interstellar. Zack …

DtW Goes to the Movies Part 5 (Star Trek: Generations)

April 29th, 2020

Episode 35

In part five of our science and religion in film miniseries, Rachael boldly leads us where no podcast has gone before. Well, at least …

DtW Goes to the Movies Part 4 (Star Wars: The Last Jedi)

April 22nd, 2020

Episode 34

In part 4 of our science and religion in film miniseries, Ian finally gets to geek out on Star Wars. You can't tell, but he brought his own lightsaber to record this episode. Oh yeah. We're in it to win it! …

DtW Goes to the Movies Part 3 (Pan's Labyrinth)

April 15th, 2020

Episode 33

In Part 3 of our miniseries on science and religion in movies, Adam does what Adam does and rejects the premise to get to the point through the back door! the 2006 Guillermo del Toro masterpiece, Pan's …

DtW Goes to the Movies Part 2 (2001: A Space Odyssey)

April 1st, 2020

Episode 32

It's part 2 of our miniseries on movies, and Kendra leads us in discussing perhaps the most influential scifi movie of all time, 2001: A Space Odyssey. Despite its preeminence, however, she is the only one …

DtW Goes to the Movies Part 1 (Contact)

March 25th, 2020

Episode 31

In Part 1 of our new miniseries on science and religion in film, Ian takes us on a tour of perhaps the most famous and influential modern scifi movie that openly grappled with science and religion. If you …

The Pandemic Podcast with Dr Daniel Janies (COVID-19 Special)

March 18th, 2020

Episode 30

What is COVID-19? What is SARS-CoV-2? What is being done to stop this pandemic and what can we do to stay safe? We are joined by Dr Daniel Janies who is on the front lines of this crisis and graciously …

Climate Connections Part 5 (The Cesspool of Sin)

March 11th, 2020

Episode 29

Do you enjoy long walks on the beach and the warm sand between your toes? Have you ever wondered where that sand comes from and if someone has a plan to stop the ocean from taking it back? How are coastal …

Climate Connections Part 4 (Apocalypse Eventually)

March 4th, 2020

Episode 28

Do religious beliefs affect attitudes about climate change? Are people who believe we are in the "End Times" less likely to care about …

Climate Connections Part 3 (Billion Dollar Unicorn Bills)

February 26th, 2020

Episode 27

In part 3 of our Climate Connections series, Adam tries to break us out of our conventional ways of thinking by introducing the concept of …

Climate Connections Part 2 (Of Starfish and Men)

February 19th, 2020

Episode 26

In part 2 of our Climate Connections miniseries, Rachael serves up a heaping helping of hope in the face of potentially the greatest crisis the human race has ever encountered. Can her immovable optimism …

Climate Connections Part 1 (Take a Cricket and a Condom on Your Way Out)

February 12th, 2020

Episode 25

If you could save the world simply by changing the way you eat, would you do it? Is fake meat the future of food or is it a fad for rich …

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