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Design Better Podcast

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The Design Better podcast delivers insights from the world’s most renowned creative leaders, empowering teams to transform their practice and build remarkable products. This series is hosted by Aarron Walter and Eli Woolery and brought to you by InVision, the digital product design platform used to … read more

86 Episodes | 2017 - 2022

Greg Hoffman: Creativity is a team sport

August 30th, 2022


There is probably no better training ground than Nike to learn about creativity as a team sport, and Greg Hoffman, former Chief Marketing Officer of Nike, shares this lesson—along with many other valuable insights—in …

Felecia Hatcher: Moments of enchantment

August 8th, 2022


Often it’s the little things, and not the flashy technology or slick user interface that make a product or experience memorable. The handwritten note …

Rewind: Seth Godin: Learning to take risks, be generous, and make a ruckus

July 6th, 2022


If you don’t know who Seth Godin is, just type “Seth” into Google or DuckDuckGo. The first entry will lead you to his blog, where he writes—every day—about marketing, design, writing, how being a better human will make …

Dr. Sian Proctor: Building common languages

June 21st, 2022


If you’re looking for an inspiring human being, it would be hard to beat Dr. Sian Proctor. Dr. Proctor is a geoscientist, and also an artist and poet …

IBM’s Katrina Alcorn: Developing partnerships

June 7th, 2022

If you lead a team of over 700 people, what skills would you need to bring to the table to help them collaborate effectively? In today’s episode, we …

Nir Eyal: How to be Indistractable

May 24th, 2022


You’re sitting at your desk, trying to do some deep work—finishing up a presentation, writing some code, sketching out a new interface—and you hear a noise. It’s the familiar knock of Slack, or the chime of your e-mail …

Detria Williamson: Making collaboration more inclusive

May 10th, 2022

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal last year, Detria Williamson, former Chief Marketing Officer of IDEO, said that “diversity can be engineered and inclusion cannot.”

In this episode, we dive deeper into that …

Guy Kawasaki: Being Remarkable

April 26th, 2022


Guy Kawasaki has certainly had a remarkable career. From gaining popularity as the Chief Evangelist at Apple for the Macintosh computer in the …

Rewind: John Cleese: A cheerful guide to creativity

December 7th, 2021


The Ministry of Silly Walks. The Cheese Shop. French Taunting. If you haven’t seen any of these Monty Python sketches before, do us a favor and go watch one or two of them. You’ll discover—or re-discover—why our guest …

Eileen Fisher: Embracing imperfect newness

November 9th, 2021


In his book The Laws of Simplicity, John Maeda says that “simplicity is about subtracting the obvious, and adding the meaningful.” Our final guest …

Robin Petravic: Honoring the people behind the products at Heath Ceramics

October 26th, 2021


If you’re a fan of architecture and design, you’re probably familiar with the mid-century modern movement. It brought a simple, clean aesthetic inspired by the Bauhaus and International movements to the US. Heath …

Spotify’s Vicki Tan: Learning from new voices

September 28th, 2021


Vicki Tan has worked at companies that change the way we travel, think about our mental health, and access music from around the globe. To each of …

Judy Wert: Navigating career changes

September 14th, 2021


The way that we work has been disrupted by the global pandemic, and for those of us who are fortunate enough to have kept our jobs, it’s also caused many of us to question why we do what we do, and wonder if there are …

Rewind: Airbnb’s Benjamin Evans on the power of inclusive design

August 31st, 2021


Benjamin Evans, Inclusive Design Lead for Airbnb, is part of a new kind of problem solvers tackling issues like racism, sexism, and bias in digital …

Scott Berkun: How design makes the world

August 17th, 2021


Do you have a colleague who just doesn’t get what design is all about? Or maybe you’ve tried explaining it to your parents, but they just respond by …

Ford’s Sandy Fershee: Driving innovation with human-centered design

August 3rd, 2021


The most innovative electric car announced in 2021 was not a Tesla, but a Ford. The new Ford F-150 Lightning, a fully electric version of the …

Astra CEO Chris Kemp: Bringing talent into your orbit

July 20th, 2021


Over 50 years after humans first landed on the moon, it’s still extremely difficult—and expensive—to get anything into orbit. But imagine if there …

Rewind: Julie Zhuo: Learning to manage like a leader

July 6th, 2021


Listen as Julie Zhuo, VP of Product Design at Facebook and author of The Making of a Manager, recalls some of her earliest professional experiences …

RISD President Rosanne Somerson: Transformation through education

June 22nd, 2021


In its 144-year history, the Rhode Island School of Design—also known as RISD—has graduated numerous notable designers and creatives, from graphic …

Sara Seager: Pushing boundaries through collaboration

June 8th, 2021


If you’re lucky enough to look up into a clear night sky and see the thousands of stars visible to the naked eye, it’s hard not to wonder, “are there other planets like ours out there?” Our guest for this episode, …

Dan Pink: Creating meaningful connections

May 25th, 2021


To Sell is Human. That’s the title of one of Dan Pink’s books, and also the foundational concept for his recent Masterclass on persuasion. Dan is …

Netflix's Steve Johnson and Rochelle King: Making great stories accessible

February 23rd, 2021


If you’re anything like us, you’ve been watching more than your fair share of Netflix this past year. And with such great original content, from The Queen’s Gambit to more obscure shows like Midnight Diner, we were …

Apple TV+ Home’s Doug Pray and Matt Weaver: Designing spaces that change behavior and create opportunity

February 9th, 2021


Of the designed objects we interact with on a daily basis, our homes are probably the most influential on the way we live our lives. In Apple’s new series Home, the creators investigate the ways that some of the world’s …

Logitech's Jason Mayden: Leading with curiosity and humility

January 12th, 2021


As we head into a new year—and leave behind a year that was challenging for just about everyone on the planet, with the hope that this year will be better for all—we wanted to share an interview with one of the most …

Airbnb’s Brian Chesky: Designing for trust

December 15th, 2020


It all started with a box of cereal. Well, that’s not exactly the beginning, but when Brian Chesky and his roommates had maxed out their credit cards …

Google’s Annie Jean Baptiste: Building better products for everyone

December 8th, 2020


As designers and design leaders, most of us understand the ethical importance of making our products accessible and inclusive for all the people who use them. But we don’t always understand the best way to go about …

Author Bill Burnett: Designing Your Work Life

November 24th, 2020


In the wake of a worldwide pandemic and economic catastrophe, many of our friends and colleagues in the world of digital product design are fortunate …

Debbie Millman: Revealing what matters the most to designers and creatives

November 10th, 2020


We’re not ashamed to admit that, when we booked Debbie Millman for our show, we were a little intimidated. Not by Debbie herself, who always comes …

John Maeda: Working at the intersection of design, business, and technology

October 27th, 2020



Over the arc of his career, John Maeda has been many things: a professor at MIT, president at the Rhode Island School of Design, a Design …

Seth Godin: Learning to take risks, be generous, and make a ruckus

October 13th, 2020


If you don’t know who Seth Godin is, just type “Seth” into Google or DuckDuckGo. The first entry will lead you to his blog, where he writes—every day—about marketing, design, writing, how being a better human will make …

Jina Anne, Founder of Clarity Conference, on Crafting a Community for Design Systems

August 18th, 2020


To celebrate the new InVision DSM, we're sharing one of our favorite episodes in conversation with Design Systems Advocate, Jina Anne.

If you’re engaged in any sort of community surrounding Design Systems, whether it’s …

Designing for Diversity: Project Inkblot’s Jahan Mantin and Boyuan Gao

June 11th, 2020


In today’s episode, we talk with Boyuan Gao and Jahan Mantin—the founders of Project Inkblot—who have built a practical framework that can help everyone design for diversity, and can also be a guide for challenging …

Silicon Valley Product Group’s Marty Cagan: Why product management is misunderstood

June 2nd, 2020


Are you on a product team or a feature team? After you listen to our interview with Marty Cagan, legendary product management guru, author, and partner at Silicon Valley Product Group, you’ll know just where you stand, …

Pinterest's Naveen Gavini: Knitting different disciplines together

May 19th, 2020


We’ve spoken to a lot of design leaders over the course of the Design Better Podcast, but this episode is the first chance we’ve had to speak with someone who has made the move from being an engineering leader to a …

Atlassian’s Stephen Deasy: How designers and engineers unite the possible with the probable

May 12th, 2020


“Designers are about possibilities. Engineers are about probabilities.” This quote, from Stephen Deasy, Head of Cloud Engineering at Atlassian, is just one example of how concisely he can describe the relationship …

Author Joshua Seiden: Measuring work and rethinking goal setting

May 5th, 2020


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Love it or hate it, the agile approach to software development seems to be here to stay. Often, it’s hard to get good design practice to fit within …

NASA’s Steve Rader: Redefining the moonshot with diverse teams

April 28th, 2020


There’s a lot of talk in the tech world about moonshots, and what it takes to build a team capable of achieving them. We thought it might be helpful …

Why business thinking for designers matters more than ever

April 21st, 2020


We’ve just published a new book on called Business Thinking for Designers by Ryan Rumsey, formerly of Apple, USAA, EA, and Nestlé. It’s a challenging time out there, and we know many of you are facing …

Remote Work for Design Teams: Lessons in leadership, collaboration, and culture

April 7th, 2020


We’ve just published a new book on called Remote Work for Design Teams, to help you make a graceful transition from the office to a …

How to run remote design sprints and design reviews: Richard Banfield and Alison Rand

March 31st, 2020


In this bonus episode, we’re once more focused on remote teams, and more specifically on best practices for facilitating remote design sprints, building trust between teams in a remote environment, and running effective …

Making remote teams work

March 23rd, 2020


In this bonus episode, we chat about balancing personal and professional demands in a remote environment, especially during these challenging times. Join special guests Jennifer Aldrich, Senior Manager of Design …

VMWare’s Jehad Affoneh: Be a business leader, not a design leader

March 17th, 2020


In this episode, we speak with VMWare’s Head of Design Jehad Affoneh about how he measures the business impact of design, and aligns design goals with engineering goals. We learn why he thinks it’s important to lead …

Amazon’s Joanna Peña-Bickley: Bringing more diversity into leadership

March 9th, 2020


Joanna Peña-Bickley has had an amazing arc to her design leadership career: from Chief Creative Officer at Matter Worldwide and IBM, to her current …

The New York Times’ Natalya Shelburne: Bridging the designer and developer divide by building trust

March 2nd, 2020


Natalya Shelburne, Tech Lead for Design Engineering at The New York Times, sits at a fascinating crossroad of design and development. She leads a team of front-end developers and brings her own experience as a designer …

IBM’s Kristin Wisnewski: Rise of an authentic leader

February 24th, 2020


In the tech world, it's rare these days to spend more than a few years at one company. So we were curious to learn more about Kristin Wisnewski after hearing she’d been at IBM for 18 years. In her words, she “basically …

Nancy Douyon: Listening is the best hiring skill

February 17th, 2020


Nancy Douyon has a remarkable story that lead her into a career in technology. From her childhood in Haiti, to moving to Boston and taking part in an …

Season 4 Preview Episode

February 12th, 2020


Next week we'll be launching our fourth season of the Design Better Podcast by InVision. Listen now for a special preview of the new season and get ready for new episodes coming to you weekly starting February 18th. In …

Rewind: David Kelley, Founder of IDEO and the Stanford, on Creative Confidence and Aligning Teams

February 4th, 2020


To celebrate 1 million listens to the Design Better Podcast, we're rewinding to our episode with David Kelley, Founder of IDEO and the Stanford …

Stephen Gates on hiring and retaining the best design talent

December 19th, 2019



InVision is starting a new series of quarterly reports on design trends. The first in the series, a Design Trends Report on Talent, was created to help you learn proactive new ways to recruit, develop, and …

Lessons from Season 3

November 8th, 2019


The third season of the Design Better Podcast recently wrapped up, where we explored the connected workflow: how designers can work more effectively and efficiently with their engineering and product counterparts to …

Jina Anne, Founder of Clarity Conference, on Crafting a Community for Design Systems

September 27th, 2019


If you’re engaged in any sort of community surrounding Design Systems, whether it’s the Design Systems Slack, or the Clarity Conference, then you have likely benefited from Jina Anne’s work. A self-styled Design Systems …

Diego Rodriguez of Intuit: Building design culture into big business

September 9th, 2019


Diego Rodriguez has had a remarkable career at the intersection of design, business, and education. He has served as Global Managing Director of …

Journey into the connected workflow

September 3rd, 2019


As we prepare for the last episode of Season 3, take a look back at some of the stories that have inspired us. In this short update episode, hear …

Che Douglas of Leading a transformation

August 19th, 2019


Che Douglas led the transformation of the design team at The Wall Street Journal, from a service-based organization to a strategic component of an embedded Engineering, Product and Design (EPD) structure. We chat with …

Atlassian’s Lori Kaplan on designing across the seams

August 1st, 2019


Lori Kaplan is a veteran design leader, whose pioneering work includes authorship of the original Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines in the 1980s. In this episode we speak with Lori about how the Atlassian playbook …

Indeed’s Quinton Larson on being adaptable and working thoughtfully

July 22nd, 2019


Quinton Larson is a design leader who has consistently brought thoughtful leadership into the companies where he works. In this episode we speak with …

Bob Baxley: What it takes to build a connected workflow

July 8th, 2019


What do Yahoo, Apple, and Pinterest have in common? Silicon Valley design vet Bob Baxley. With extensive design leadership experience under his belt, Bob knows a thing or two about bridging the gaps between teams to …

Wells Fargo’s Josh Ulm on design’s role in business

June 25th, 2019


Josh Ulm has quite the CV—Adobe Design Lead, Vodafone Head of UX, Oracle VP of Design, and now Wells Fargo SVP of Strategic Design and Insights. One …

Brad Frost and Dan Mall: Rethinking designer-developer collaboration

June 7th, 2019


Enter design system pros Brad Frost and Dan Mall, long-time collaborators known for their expertise in bridging the gap between designers and …

Airbnb’s Benjamin Evans on the power of inclusive design

May 28th, 2019


Benjamin Evans, Inclusive Design Lead for Airbnb, is part of a new kind of problem solvers tackling issues like racism, sexism, and bias in digital …

Google’s Abigail Hart Gray: Communicating the value of design

May 13th, 2019


Abigail Hart Gray, Director of UX at Google, is one of the most inspiring design leaders we know. A self-proclaimed analytics nerd, Abigail uses …

Julie Zhuo: Learning to manage like a leader

April 29th, 2019


Listen as Julie Zhuo, VP of Product Design at Facebook and author of The Making of a Manager, recalls some of her earliest professional experiences …

Bonus Episode: Leah Buley and the New Frontier of Design Maturity

April 18th, 2019


What if you could unlock the full potential for business impact in design? On today's episode we are joined by Leah Buley, InVision's Director of …

Season 3 Special Preview

April 11th, 2019


The next season of the Design Better podcast is nearly here. Listen to a special preview of the upcoming season which focuses on the impact and challenges of the connected workflow. We sat down with some incredible …

Special Episode - Jake Knapp - Make Time

October 9th, 2018


What if you could set aside a distraction-free space to accomplish one meaningful thing in your life each day? How might that change your …

#020: Margaret Stewart: Scaling through storytelling

August 6th, 2018


As organizations grow, they tend to think in terms of processes and data, and although those elements are vital to scale, teams sometimes lose sight of the why. Key to scaling is building an infrastructure that supports …

#019: Kim Williams: Creating, scaling, and championing design systems

July 23rd, 2018


A design system helps deliver a unified experience for the end user, no matter what the medium. But it also means a cohesive internal experience as well. Design systems unite teams across time and space, bring designers …

Rewind: Irene Au explains the secrets to scaling design teams

July 9th, 2018


For many years, Google’s engineering-led culture cherished efficiency over user experience. Irene Au arrived at a pivotal moment in the company’s …

#018: Vas Natarajan: operationalizing design for business success

June 25th, 2018


There isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach to scaling design, but there are similarities between fast-growing companies that prime them for lasting success.

In this episode, Accel Partners’ Vas Natarajan talks about …

#017: Maria Giudice: DesignOps, diversity, and design making a difference

June 11th, 2018


Rallying around a shared vision is one of the biggest challenges for design teams operating at scale. So how can you foster that vision and bring people together to execute it?

In this episode, Hot Studio Founder and …

#016: Megan Quinn: making design-led choices to scale with better outcomes

May 29th, 2018


Do you ever wonder what it’s like to be part of fast-growing, design-led companies like Slack, Medium, or even InVision? Every team has challenges with scaling—and it turns out those challenges share many common traits …

#015: Meriah Garrett: Scaling with empathy and intention

May 15th, 2018


When companies start scaling design, the emphasis is sometimes on getting more shipped—but what if the first deliverable was a balanced team instead of a new feature?


USAA’s Chief Design Officer Meriah Garrett has a …

#014: TS Balaji: representing design with a multidisciplinary approach

April 30th, 2018


Design leaders spend a lot of energy trying to get a seat at the table. It’s an ongoing process—and it’s tough to keep design involved over time. …

#013: Diana Mounter: from design silos to design system

April 16th, 2018


Design systems give product designers and developers reusable, interchangeable components to make the design process efficient and repeatable. They’re a critical part of scaling—so why build everything from scratch when …

#012: Meredith Black: building DesignOps dream teams

April 1st, 2018


A lot of companies are investing more in design. As they do, the organization scales. As it scales, it has to operationalize, become more efficient, and plug into the rest of the company—but what makes all that possible?

#011: Lynsey Thornton: going with the org-change flow

March 18th, 2018


Over the last 10 years, Shopify has grown from a scrappy 5-person startup to a team of more than 3,000 across five locations. Scaling a company that fast takes a lot of talented people—and Lynsey Thornton is one of them.

#010: Mia Blume: design, or be designed

October 29th, 2017


“Will I lose my creativity? Will I be stuck in meetings all day?” Those are common concerns for any individual contributor transitioning to a …

#009: Christian Madsbjerg: exploring how humans experience the world

October 15th, 2017


In today’s tech-driven economy, it seems like it can be hard to justify the value of a traditional liberal arts education. But given the speed at which AI-driven advancements are taking over traditional jobs—even …

#008: Jake Knapp: beyond the Sprint

October 1st, 2017


If we asked you to name a recent book that’s really changed how product teams address sticky challenges, there’s a good chance Jake Knapp’s Sprint …

#007: Laura Martini: getting to the right finish line

September 17th, 2017


If there’s anyone we’ve interviewed on the DesignBetter.Co Podcast so far that really embodies the product-driven concept, it’s Laura Martini. Not only does she have a background in both design and engineering, but she …

#006: Michael Leon: from skate punk to creative force

September 3rd, 2017


How do you go from being a self-professed skate punk, to a design director at Nike, creative director at Patagonia, and land as the global creative director for Sonos? As a creative force, Michael Leon has worked with …

#005: Alex Schleifer: a mission to belong anywhere

August 20th, 2017


Airbnb’s mission is both simple and powerful: to help create a world where you can belong anywhere. Alex Schleifer, Airbnb’s head of design, fully …

#004: Albert Lee: kickstart a design transformation

July 21st, 2017


Albert Lee has had an amazing arc to his career. From his beginnings as a wine-steward at Chez Panisse, to working at Frank Gehry’s architecture …

#003: Dan Winger: building the future at LEGO

July 21st, 2017


If you’re anything like us, playing with LEGOs was a foundational part of your childhood, and a big part of the reason you got interested in design. And given the arc of their history, it is clear that LEGO is a …

#002: David Kelley: creative confidence and aligning teams

July 20th, 2017


David Kelley doesn’t like to claim to have come up with the term design thinking, even though a most people would say he did. But regardless of who …

#001: Irene Au: scaling design at Google and beyond

July 20th, 2017


Google could now be considered a product driven company, but it wasn’t always that way. For many years Google’s engineering-led culture cherished …

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