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Twice a week, this podcast will take you on a smart, direct, sometimes scary, sometimes profane, sometimes hilarious tour of the inner workings of American power and of the impact of our leaders and their policies on our standing in the world. Hosted by noted author and commentator David Rothkopf an… read more

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A DSR Debate: Who Will Win the Power Struggle Between Big Tech and Nation States?

December 3rd, 2021

35:55

Big tech today rivals in influence many nation states. Even the largest and most powerful countries are debating how to contain and control tech …

The Worst Public Health Crisis in US History May Be About to Get Worse

December 2nd, 2021

36:38

We may be at another dangerous inflection point in the nearly two year long COVID pandemic. The first Omicron variant cases are appearing in the US. This new mutant version of the virus has many disturbing differences …

Master of the Game: A conversation with Martin Indyk

December 1st, 2021

26:22

Martin Indyk, distinguished fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, former Ambassador of the United States to Israel, and former U.S. special envoy for the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations has written a new book …

Trump's Disastrous Decision to Get Out of the Iran Deal Has Left Us with Only Bad Options

November 29th, 2021

23:24

Once upon a time, the Israeli government urged the US to get out of the Iran deal. The American president at the time, Donald Trump, obliged. Now, Israeli officials are calling the decision the worst in the past decade …

A Pre-Thanksgiving Foreign Policy Smörgåsbord

November 22nd, 2021

24:29

While Americans are turning their attention towards the upcoming holiday, the news from Washington and around the world is not slowing down. Today, …

Bannon, Rittenhouse, and Arbery: What this week's cases tell us about justice in America today

November 18th, 2021

26:50

Steve Bannon was indicted for contempt of Congress but currently remains free awaiting trial. Kyle Rittenhouse stood trial in front of a judge who is barely trying to conceal his pro-defendant bias and now we await the …

Is Putin Making a Terrible Miscalculation?

November 15th, 2021

29:27

Russian troops are building up along the Ukraine border. Russia's close ally Belarus has provoked a crisis on its European borders by directing refugee flows at its neighbors. Tensions are rising. Are the Russians …

Is America Too Dysfunctional to Remain a Superpower?

November 8th, 2021

27:10

Gerald Seib wrote in a recent column in the Wall Street Journal that the greatest threat to American national security is our own divisions. …

On Renewal: A Conversation with Anne-Marie Slaughter

November 8th, 2021

26:37

Anne-Marie Slaughter, CEO of the New America Foundation, former head of policy planning at the State Department, has written a new book entitled …

The Sky may not be Falling... but it Certainly is on Fire

November 4th, 2021

33:09

The Democrats had a bad night on Tuesday as Glenn Youngkin won the governorship in Virginia and Phil Murphy was barely able to hang on in New Jersey. …

The Good, the Bad and the Obscene: An Economic Policy Conversation with Jason Furman

November 3rd, 2021

27:21

While in Europe and in Congressional negotiations, President Biden has brought the global minimum corporate tax closer to reality. Congressional Democrats are debating SALT cap repeal and taxing unrealized capital …

Biden in Europe: Give Credit Where it is Due...and Let's Acknowledge Where More Can Be Done

November 1st, 2021

26:24

President Biden is on his second international trip. He started this weekend at the G20 in Rome and is now in Glasgow for the COP26. The trip has already proven productive with President Biden advancing the global …

Are We About to Build Back Better? Are We About to Get Serious About January 6th Accountability?

October 29th, 2021

31:47

The President and Democratic leaders announced that they are on the verge of transformative legislation that will help children, elders, the environment, our infrastructure, and our growth as a country. When will being …

Only the Rich Can Play: A Conversation with David Wessel

October 27th, 2021

27:41

Opportunity Zones sounded like a great idea, provide tax benefits for wealthy Americans to invest in 8,000 areas in the United States that don't receive enough investment and development and everyone wins. …

Managing Mega-Threats: From China to Facebook...and a Biden Foreign Policy Report Card

October 25th, 2021

28:19

As the Biden Administration shifts the focus of U.S. foreign policy to emerging issues and how America can lead in the century ahead, certain …

America is Just Going to Have to Learn to Accept Good News

October 22nd, 2021

37:57

The Biden Administration, it seems, is on the verge of winning approval for its Build Back Better Package. If the deal is roughly as reported it will …

Spy World Frenemies

October 21st, 2021

44:15

Mossad’s got a killer new boss and the US is buying China-made drones. Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve drill down on both.

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There is Nothing for You Here: A Conversation with Fiona Hill

October 20th, 2021

31:25

Fiona Hill may have risen to public prominence during Donald Trump's first impeachment but there is much more to her story than just her time in the White House. In her new book "There is Nothing for You Here: Finding …

How Many Times Over Must We Be Able to Destroy the World to Prove We are Not Wimps?

October 18th, 2021

39:25

America's nuclear weapons submarine fleet has the capability to produce something like 40,000 Hiroshimas. But it is just one leg in our nuclear forces. What possible reason, asks our guest Joe Cirincione of the Quincy …

How Many Commissions, Presidents and Senators Does It Take to Change a Supreme Court?

October 14th, 2021

35:16

The first report from the commission looking at ways to change the Supreme Court is out and its conclusions are...well, they seem to be thoughtful …

The Peanut Butter Spies, CIA’s China Initiative & Secret Service Burnout

October 14th, 2021

52:01

Washington Post intelligence reporter Shane Harris discusses odd happenings in the spook world with Jeff Stein, and former Secret Service Special Agent Jonathan Wackrow analyses a new report on tanking morale in the …

Everything is Peachy Keen

October 8th, 2021

40:26

President Biden is on the verge of a transformational victory... or is he. We discuss the state of the negotiations around his Build Back Better agenda and how Democrats can get this legislation on the President's desk …

For Your Eyes Only

October 7th, 2021

41:34

Legendary ‘Condor’ author James Grady discusses James Bond’s evolving cinematic villains with Jeff Stein, and Jeanne Meserve digs into the massive …

Voter, Heal Thyself: A Conversation with Tom Nichols

October 6th, 2021

36:49

Tom Nichols has become an essential voice for audiences trying to make sense of current trends in American politics. His book "The Death of …

Biden's Multi-Tiered China Policy is a Far Cry from Trump's

October 4th, 2021

41:46

Trump China policy architect Peter Navarro was described by one of his colleagues as a "fucking sociopath." Trump China policy included looking the …

When Did Old People Being Able to Hear or Chew Their Food Become Marxism?

October 1st, 2021

40:13

The Washington debate over whether and how much to invest in our infrastructure and our people has reached a telling and pivotal moment. We discuss the moment and where it is likely to lead with EJ Dionne of the …

Head Case

September 30th, 2021

55:32

From Vietnam to Vienna, reported cases of Havana Syndrome are on the rise. Diplomats, intelligence officials and their families are experiencing debilitating symptoms including headaches, dizziness, nausea and memory …

Europe and the Atlantic Alliance After Merkel: What Next?

September 27th, 2021

40:28

Most Americans don't give much thought to German politics--and that's a good thing given that when we once did it was because those politics were a …

Is Now a Time for Hope or Preparing for the Worst with the Pandemic?

September 23rd, 2021

32:34

Time after time, COVID has delivered worst case scenarios. So why, now, would we rely on our hope that those scenarios--new variants, failures of …

Accidents Will Happen

September 23rd, 2021

39:56

Chinese espionage expert Matthew Brazil and Jeff Stein break down the controversy about Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley’s backchannel contact with his Chinese counterpart, and Jeanne Meserve and transnational crime …

"8 Year-Old Assholes Cannot be Shamed": The Big National Security Scandal Nobody is Talking About

September 20th, 2021

42:48

After 9/11, investigators concluded one of the factors that put America at risk was that only 57 percent of nominees for top national security positions had been confirmed by the Congress and were in place. Today, that …

Sometimes the unthinkable happens: A conversation with Rebecca Frankel

September 17th, 2021

25:08

“Into the Forest” by Rebecca Frankel is more than just one of the best books of the year, it is a revealing journey into what makes us human…the good, the bad, the noble and the horrific. It reads like a great novel and …

When the President is a Madman How Patriotism and Service are Redefined

September 16th, 2021

41:18

In the news recently, reports that General Mark Milley sought to counsel Chinese leaders in way that might avoid accidental conflict have caused controversy. Was Milley doing his duty? Or was he undermining his …

Girding for New and Old Threats

September 16th, 2021

56:41

Extremism expert Kathleen Belew talks with Jeanne Meserve about new factors raising the potential for violence at Sept.18 Capitol protests, while …

How Do You Feel About the Urge to Surge?

September 13th, 2021

34:36

While Congress holds hearings questioning the Secretary of State about the conduct of America's exit from Afghanistan, it probably should also turn …

The Talibanization of the Supreme Court

September 10th, 2021

44:26

The midnight decision of the Supreme Court that basically allowed a technicality to sweep aside the constitutional right to an abortion that has been a fact of American life for half a century bodes very ill for the …

The Man Who Loved Spying

September 9th, 2021

39:48

In a riveting new memoir, former senior CIA officer Doug London celebrates a career in espionage, but in a lengthy conversation with host Jeff Stein, he offer candid, even brutal observations on how 20 years of …

Here, Right Matters...or Does It?: A Conversation with Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman

September 8th, 2021

31:24

Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman knew when he went into the Trump White House to work on the National Security Council that he may be asked to do things …

America's 2000 Yard Stare: Coping With Crises Closing in on All Sides

September 2nd, 2021

50:14

COVID. Wildfires in the west. Hurricanes in the Gulf and storms in the East. A women's right to choose under siege. A corrupted justice system. …

Kabul’s loss and a new 9/11 terror warning

September 2nd, 2021

56:03

Author Craig Whitlock talks with Jeff Stein about US intelligence’s place in 20 years of lies and deception in Afghanistan, and Jeanne Meserve …

I Alone Can Fix It: A Conversation with Carol Leonnig

September 1st, 2021

30:13

A lot of books have been written about Donald Trump and the Trump years president. Few have evoked the almost surreal atmosphere of those years as well as "I Alone Can Fix It," the history of the last year of the …

As We Approach the Afghanistan Deadline: Looking Back and Looking Ahead

August 30th, 2021

43:49

It has been difficult to have a serious, balanced conversation about what the U.S. and this administration has done right in managing the exit from …

Why Did Trump Turn Away Our Afghan Allies?

August 27th, 2021

45:57

The reason the crowds thronging the outskirts of the airport in Kabul were so large was in part due to a concerted effort--against the advice of many …

The Human Factor

August 26th, 2021

46:11

Top former CIA operations official William Murray talks with Jeanne Meserve about the loss of the agency's spy base in Kabul, while Africa expert …

Rothkopf vs. the Washington Hivemind (a Reasonable Debate)

August 23rd, 2021

38:07

An episode in which we bring to life the debate that even the best of friends can have over the conduct of recent events in Afghanistan, their likely origins, and their likely consequences. Why are so many people so …

Implications for the Kabul Catastrophe

August 19th, 2021

50:37

Counterterrorism expert and Georgetown University Professor, Bruce Hoffman explains the drastic implications of the Taliban triumph, and journalist Toby Harnden talks about his new book on the first CIA team to enter …

Ali Soufan on the Taliban’s Global Plans

August 18th, 2021

25:35

The celebrated former FBI special agent and counterterrorism specialist says the Taliban aspire to undermining the West’s “Roman Empire.”

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Afghanistan Special Report: Where Do We Go from Here and What Lessons Can We Draw?

August 16th, 2021

41:26

The heart-rending scenes from Kabul Airport are now seared into our collective consciousness. The 20 year war in Afghanistan has clearly come to a …

America in a Moment of Grave Peril: A Conversation with Heather Cox Richardson

August 13th, 2021

45:02

We are at a watershed in our history. Some days it feels like justice and accountability are gaining ground and the outcome of this turning point may be a good one. On other days, the threats to our democracy grow and …

SPYING ON MISSILES

August 12th, 2021

41:48

Jeanne Meserve talks with Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, about how the world learned of China’s startling new ICBM silos, and Jeff Stein talks with …

Public Health is Far More Than Just COVID: A Conversation with Dr. Leana Wen

August 11th, 2021

31:11

The vast majority of gains in life expectancy during the past century have been due not to miracle cures but to public health measures like sanitation. The key to their success was empowering and trusting our public …

The World is on Fire. Will We Have to Wait for a New Generation to Address the Crisis?

August 10th, 2021

39:22

The UN has put out a climate report that is devastating in its conclusions. They call it a "code red for humanity." Inaction, greed and ignorance have already irreparably damaged the planet. What do we do now? Are our …

There's a Mountain of Evidence Against Trump & His Coup Coconspirators. But Will DoJ Do Anything About It?

August 6th, 2021

42:58

Slowly, thanks to Congressional information requests and court cases, hard evidence is emerging about the way the former president and those close to …

Spies vs. Spies

August 5th, 2021

39:50

An expert on Congressional probes tells Jeff Stein why investigators on the House Select Committee on Jan. 5 have to develop confidential sources deep inside DHS, DoD and the FBI. And retired Marine Corps Gen. Greg …

We're Clueless Until We Overreact: America's Foreign Policy History in a Nutshell

August 2nd, 2021

41:06

Face it, since George Washington, for all the glamor and intrigue the rest of the world may hold, Americans would pretty much like to be left out of …

What Next for the 1/6 Commission...and for the Resurgent COVID Epidemic

July 30th, 2021

56:19

On this special super-sized (hour-long) edition of Deep State Radio we review the auspicious launch of the January 6th Commission with former US …

Going Deep

July 29th, 2021

49:17

The FBI is still coming up short on dealing with white violent extremists, former undercover special agent Mike German tells Jeff Stein. And Jeanne …

The End of an Era in US Foreign Policy: Is that a Good Thing?

July 26th, 2021

38:22

With the decision by the Biden Administration to pull the last troops out of Afghanistan and the last combat troops out of Iraq, it marks the end to …

Is the Vaccinated vs. the Unvaccinated the Next Civil War?

July 23rd, 2021

49:44

The science shows that GOP-led resistance to the vaccine is fueling a resurgence of COVID in the US. Anger against the unvaccinated is understandably …

Families of Spies

July 22nd, 2021

49:15

A father & daughter have a monster TikTok hit talkIng about his intelligence career. Former CIA analyst Frank Snepp describes the heartbreak of …

Another Lost Decade for Latin America?

July 19th, 2021

46:10

It is a paradox of international relations that U.S. neighbors in the Western Hemisphere have two primary complaints about U.S.

relations with the region. The first is that the U.S. does not pay enough attention to our …

Battling on All Fronts

July 15th, 2021

54:07

Former CIA counterintelligence chief James Olson tells Jeff Stein the CIA and FBI need to “resuscitate” double agent ops to penetrate enemy spy services, and Jeanne Meserve talks with former senior U.S. cybercrime …

"Dying is Easy, Democracy is Hard"

July 13th, 2021

46:23

It is said that an old actor on his deathbed once said, "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Whether that actually happened or not, the foreign policy …

What Grade Does the Country Get on Holding the Trumpists Accountable for the January 6th Coup Attempt?

July 9th, 2021

28:46

Congressman Eric Swalwell has been one of the leading voices in the US Congress demanding that the former president and those around him be held …

Nightmare Scenario: A Stark Behind the Scenes Look at How Trump Mishandled the Pandemic

July 9th, 2021

41:47

Estimates now say 900,000 Americans died as a consequence of the COVID pandemic. But estimates suggest 40-90 percent of those deaths could have been …

Enemies Within and Without

July 8th, 2021

44:55

Former senior CIA officer Doug London talks with Jeff Stein about the present and future intelligence picture in chaotic Afghanistan. And Jeanne Meserve has a fascinating talk with former top DHS intel official and …

Are We on the Road to Political Apartheid in the US

July 1st, 2021

51:37

The most recent Supreme Court decisions remind us that on our current path voter suppression and more power be given to the richest members of our society are only going to get worse. The current majority on the court …

Spies that Bind

July 1st, 2021

54:26

Nicholas Eftimiades, a top expert on Chinese espionage, tells Jeff Stein he doubts reports that Beijing’s top counterspy defected to the US—but that …

A Rhyme of History

June 30th, 2021

45:15

The U.S. was questioning its ability to lead the world. The structures of the global economy seemed outdated. There were deep tensions between those who sought to put America first and those who recognized the future of …

Is the Secret Objective of US Foreign Policy to be Just Tough Enough Not to Have to Do Anything?

June 28th, 2021

38:50

There are many rumblings of a new Cold War brewing between the US and China. But the governments in Washington and Beijing both seem to be most …

On the Cusp of Autocracy

June 25th, 2021

49:15

The threats to democracy in the US are building. The response is to call for new laws that first will require changes in the rules of the Senate. If …

Cold War Capers

June 24th, 2021

31:11

Yes, there’s a real James Bond, and Jeanne Meserve chatted him up on the curses and blessings of having such a legendary moniker. And historian Audra …

Deep State Exclusive: The Very First Podcast of 2025!

June 21st, 2021

42:33

To celebrate the fourth anniversary of Deep State Radio (which is to say something like 750 podcasts and a growing audience throughout), we have …

Nearly Six Months After an Attempted Coup, We Have More Questions than Answers, More Evasion than Accountability

June 17th, 2021

47:49

Listening to FBI Director Christopher Wray before the Congress this week and last, his answers were long and yet achieved a kind of studied vacuousness. There was no there there. No substantive. No sense of …

Perhaps It's Not Quite Time to Give Up on Our System of Justice

June 17th, 2021

35:57

The lack of accountability for Donald Trump and his cronies for the January 6th insurrection, for the serial obstruction of justice identified by the Mueller investigation, for his alleged fraud at the helm of the Trump …

‘Everybody knows somebody’

June 17th, 2021

38:59

Terrorism expert Gina Ligon tells Jeanne Meserve that the Biden administration’s initiative on domestic extremism represents a ‘sea change’ in policy …

A Far Cry from Helsinki: Biden and Putin to Set "Guardrails" and Manage Expectations

June 15th, 2021

32:23

When Vladimir Putin sits down with Joe Biden, both men will be well familiar with each other and Putin will have no illusions that he can toy with …

Make the Familiar Strange and the Strange Familiar

June 14th, 2021

33:50

Financial Times Editor-at-Large Gillian Tett has distinguished herself as a brilliant observer of markets and politics. That is in part due to the …

Meeting of the Minds

June 11th, 2021

22:19

Ahead of presidents Putin and Biden meeting in Geneva, a psychiatrist puts the leader of Russia on the couch. Dr. Kenneth Dekleva, who served in the US embassy in Moscow, joins co-host Jeanne Meserve for a special …

Is There a Future for the Democratic Party?

June 11th, 2021

42:04

With Republicans variously arguing that vaccines make people magnetic and that the Forest Service should be able to reroute the Moon's orbit, you'd …

That Was Then

June 9th, 2021

47:03

Chinese espionage poses a mortal threat to the US, former counterintelligence boss Bill Evanina tells Jeanne Meserve. And author Kai Bird talks with Jeff Stein about a clandestine plot with Iran by Reagan campaign …

The New Map: A Conversation with Daniel Yergin

June 8th, 2021

31:03

Pultizer Prize-winner Daniel Yergin is widely regarded as the world's foremost analyst and commentator on energy issues. His books have chronicled …

Let's Make Diplomacy Boring Again

June 7th, 2021

45:35

Joe Biden is off to Europe. He will meet with Allies and with Vladimir Putin. Under Trump, that was a formula for headlines and disaster. Under all …

Cyber Counterpunch

June 4th, 2021

13:06

On this special edition of SpyTalk, co-host Jeanne Meserve speaks with William Evanina, former Director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center about the recent spate of ransomware …

This is a Song About Disappointment

June 3rd, 2021

47:45

The Democrats keep bending over backwards to "do what's right" or "preserve bipartisanship." Republicans meanwhile have made it clear they have no interest in doing what's right or bipartisanship. Is the Democratic …

The Gathering Storms

June 2nd, 2021

51:07

Former top FBI domestic extremist specialist Tom O’Connor tells co-host Jeanne Meserve in a startling interview that he’s worried about another Timothy McVeigh plotting something big. And Jeff Stein talks with veteran …

Where's Your Sense of Urgency? It Won't Be 2024 When Our Democracy is Undone, it'll be 2021.

May 27th, 2021

45:47

Many are rightly focused on the importance of 2024's presidential elections and the midterms in 2022. But if we do not stop GOP efforts at voter suppression this year...which means ending the filibuster this year...and …

Spies in the Soup

May 26th, 2021

56:53

Jean Meserve talks with former Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Juliette Kayyem about the mess in DHS’ intelligence shop, and Jeff Stein …

Special Episode: The CFR's Richard Haass on the State of the World

May 25th, 2021

34:19

Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, is one of the world's leading thinkers on international affairs. His most recent book, …

America's Message to the Middle East: We're Broken and Our Focus Needs to be on Taking Care of Business at Home

May 24th, 2021

49:00

We've come to the end of another violent cycle between Israelis and Palestinians. Generally, the Biden Administration has gotten good grades for a …

How Do You Say "We Are Being Attacked by Radicals Who Want to Destroy Democracy" in a Way that Will Make People Care?

May 20th, 2021

50:28

This week, the vast majority of Republicans on Capitol Hill sought to block a bipartisan commission that would investigate the attack that took place …

When of the Two Most Likely Solutions One is Impossible and the other is Even Less Likely, What Then?

May 20th, 2021

42:10

The past two weeks have revealed that the Israel-Palestine conflict remains far from a solution. Indeed, of the two most likely solutions …

Panetta’s Regret

May 19th, 2021

56:25

Former CIA Director and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was praised in a multitude of articles and broadcasts marking the 10th anniversary of the …

Has the CIA Lost Its Grip on the Middle East?

May 19th, 2021

33:05

CIA clandestine services veteran and longtime Middle East hand Marc Polymeropoulos tells Jeff Stein that the CIA no longer prizes regional expertise, …

The Cracking Sounds You Hear in the Old US-Israel Relationship

May 17th, 2021

46:56

The Biden Administration is working hard to maintain a fairly traditional front for US-Israel relations during the current crisis. Which is to say …

What's Cooking in the Laboratories of Democracy

May 13th, 2021

37:22

It was Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis who popularized the phrase "states are laboratories of democracy." That has never been clearer than at …

Crisis and Confusion

May 13th, 2021

1:00:43

In the fourth edition of the SpyTalk podcast, former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen talks with co-host Jeanne Meserve about combatting …

The Unimaginable Covid Crisis in India

May 11th, 2021

45:15

On this special episode of Deep State Radio, we discuss the Covid-19 crisis in India with Washington Post Global Opinion Columnist, Rana Ayyub, who …

The One in Which Rosa Suggests That He or She With the Most Instagram Followers Should Rule

May 10th, 2021

46:54

The US could be back in the Iran nuclear accord by the end of the month. There are plenty of hurdles to that, of course, but it is not …

The Woman Who Invented Ronald Reagan

May 7th, 2021

35:42

Ronald Reagan would not have been president nor would he have enjoyed the successes he had as a politician without the active role played by his …

How Do We Get from Here to Accountability?

May 6th, 2021

47:30

In an important ruling this week, Judge Amy Berman Jackson wrote a scathing assessment of the Barr Department of Justice's efforts to rationalize …

Shots in the Dark

May 6th, 2021

55:45

Jeanne Meserve looks into the mysterious directed-energy attacks on officials in Washington with Mark Zaid, lawyer for CIA and State Department victims. Then Ronen Bergman, author of a groundbreaking book on Israeli …

Is this Just Indian Summer for Democracy in America?

May 3rd, 2021

44:58

Joe Biden is doing a remarkable job. Public support for Biden's bold economic initiatives is exceptionally high. But there are warning signs about …

A Stake Through the Heart of Reaganomics

April 30th, 2021

37:12

We are in the middle of an economic sea-change in the United States. The prevailing views of the past 40 years--call them Reaganomics or neo-liberalism or the Washington Consensus--are being pushed aside. The inequality …

Biden Gives the Most Kennedy-esque Rooseveltian Speech in History

April 29th, 2021

46:47

Joe Biden spoke to a joint session of Congress and outlined an economic plan that exceeds in scope anything we have seen nearly a century. It was …

Fire and Ice

April 29th, 2021

56:55

In this week’s edition of the SpyTalk podcast, Jeff Stein goes deep on the CIA’s looming eviction from Afghanistan with Lisa Curtis, a longtime former CIA, State Department and White House National Security Council …

Biden's First 100 Days, The Foreign Policy Perspective

April 26th, 2021

40:22

Going from Donald Trump to Joe Biden has been as striking a political shift as most Americans have encountered in their lifetimes. But the shift has …

Will We Ever Have Real Police Reform in America?

April 23rd, 2021

45:18

In the wake of the Derek Chauvin verdict, while there was a consensus that a degree of justice was achieved, that a massive job of work remained to end the long history of systemic racism in US law enforcement and …

A CIA Spy in Syria, and US Responses to Russian, Chinese and Other Adversary Hacking

April 22nd, 2021

54:29

This week, in the debut edition of the SpyTalk podcast, co-host Jeff Stein talks to the Washington Post’s Joby Warrick about an extraordinary CIA …

A Page is Turned: We Shift Our Focus from Old Threats to New Ones

April 19th, 2021

48:14

Last week, President Biden announced the US would be pulling our last troops out of Afghanistan by September 11 of this year. At the same time, …

A Tale of Two COVIDS

April 15th, 2021

46:24

On the one hand, America's vaccine roll out is making great progress. On the other, in the last week COVID cases are on the rise in 38 states. On the …

A One on One with NYT Columnist Nick Kristof: Searching for Solutions from Here at Home to the World's Hot Spots

April 15th, 2021

10:53

Two time Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Nicholas Kristof has set himself from other columnists by virtue of his deep reporting into the subjects …

"The GOP Thinks of Politics Like Pro Wrestling"--A Conversation with Rep. Eric Swalwell

April 13th, 2021

24:08

Rep. Eric Swalwell of California has emerged as one of the most important voices in the Democratic Party. From his presidential campaign to his work during last year's impeachment hearings, he has stood out for both …

How Can Joe Biden Avoid the Curse of 400 Rabbits?

April 12th, 2021

45:19

The ancient Aztecs referred to the headache and misery following drunken debauchery as the "curse of 400 rabbits." Presidents need to try to avoid …

It's Not Too Early to Predict What Biden Era Politics Will Be Like

April 8th, 2021

42:52

By this time during the presidency of the former guy, his national security advisor had been booted, the Muslim ban had been tried and Comey was days from getting fired. We also knew that the GOP was simply not going to …

Sorting the Good News from the Bad on COVID

April 6th, 2021

11:10

The US is making great progress on vaccine distribution and national death tolls are falling. But new variants are spreading and some states are …

Things are Going Pretty Well...Maybe it's Time to Start Worrying

April 5th, 2021

44:34

It is a matter of conventional wisdom nearly everywhere that the Biden Administration is off to a strong start. Which, life on this planet being what …

One-on-one with Gayle Tzemach Lemmon: Why It is So Important to Tell the Stories of Heroic Women

March 31st, 2021

35:50

Too much of world history is written by men about men for men. The result is that cultural biases of a male-centric world are reinforced. But another …

Standing Up to Anti-Asian Hate Crime: A One-on-One with Rep. Ted Lieu

March 30th, 2021

28:45

As anti-Asian hate crimes continue across America, California Congressman Ted Lieu has become one of the foremost voices demanding action to stop the …

INTRODUCING “SPY TALK”

March 29th, 2021

4:24

Introducing a new show from the DSR Network called “Spy Talk.” SpyTalk lives at the intersection of intelligence operations, foreign policy, homeland …

Kibbitizpalooza: Advice for the Biden Administration as they Roll Out Their Policies

March 29th, 2021

43:40

While we are only two months into the new administration (and it is getting good marks for those two months) it is never too early to start kibbitzing about how to do better. Can we go too far in direct our economic …

When Can We Go To War and Who Decides?

March 25th, 2021

46:32

Few decisions a government can make are more consequential than deciding when the use of force is warranted. In the US a debate has raged for decades …

Ah, So This is What Having an Actual, Thought Out, Professional Foreign Policy Feels Like

March 22nd, 2021

44:37

After four years of policy by Tweet that sometimes felt as if it were driven more by the indigestion of the Tweeter than by any connection to US …

Russia Meddled! Trump Lied! The GOP Covered For It! And Nothing Happened...Again!

March 18th, 2021

49:51

Never in the history of shocking revelations about US government lies and scandal has there been such a protracted period of shocking revelations nor one with so few consequences for those in power at the center of the …

Is Filibuster Reform Now More Likely Than Not?

March 17th, 2021

9:47

Mitch McConnell has become so effective as an obstructionist force and the GOP has been so disciplined in their support of him, that he has left the Democrats with no alternative but to consider some form of filibuster …

What Challenges Will the US Face in the Post-COVID World?

March 15th, 2021

46:11

There are encouraging signs that the US will slowly begin to return to post-COVID normalcy by this summer or fall. Wall Street predictions for the economy for the third and fourth quarters of 2021 are rosy. What if that …

Wait, what? A president behaving presidentially? News that's...actually...good?

March 12th, 2021

47:54

Yes, you heard that right. We've come to 50 days into the Biden presidency and things are actually working, getting better, Spring is in the air, there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Admittedly, there's plenty of …

Next Steps Toward Making the Country Safer and Healthier

March 10th, 2021

11:59

There is good news in America--from progress in getting relief to Americans wracked by COVID and its economic aftershocks to slowly getting a new government in place including, finally, the confirmation of Attorney …

"A Foreign Policy for the American People"

March 8th, 2021

42:43

Last week Secretary of State Antony Blinken delivered a speech outlining the priorities of Biden-Harris Administration foreign policy. It …

Washington Got You Pissed Off? Us Too!

March 4th, 2021

45:18

Weren't we supposed to get a break from being angry at DC? At the political inanity? The recklessness? The law breaking with impunity? Sure its the …

Tangled Up in Blue: Policing at a Crossroads

March 3rd, 2021

13:07

Deep State Radio listeners know Rosa Brooks as one of our founding regulars, a scholar on constitutional and international law and a national …

The Daughters of Kobani: The Women Who Beat ISIS

March 2nd, 2021

27:31

ISIS was as unstoppable as their beliefs and actions were unconscionable when they arrived in Kobani. But there they were defeated by a force that …

Not an Enemy, Not Quite an Ally: America's Reset with Saudi Arabia...and the Middle East

March 1st, 2021

44:23

Last week, the Biden Administration released the official conclusion that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was behind the brutal murder of …

The Accountability Conundrum: How Do We Form Commissions to Investigate 1/6 or COVID in the Current Political Environment?

February 25th, 2021

51:42

When the 9/11 Commission was formed in the wake of the Al Qaeda attacks on the US, the current was united in grief and anger but politically …

This is Not Donald Trump's Planet Earth Anymore...and That's a Very Good Thing

February 24th, 2021

27:48

The US has seen its influence plummet during the past four years as our president made everything including foreign policy about himself. That …

Which is More Powerful, the Bully Pulpit or the Bullshit Pulpit?

February 24th, 2021

12:07

Donald Trump introduced the truth-optional, bring your own dysfunction era to American politics and it made for good ratings. Now, he has been …

American Kompromat: Why Don't Americans Care More that Trump was a Russian Asset?

February 23rd, 2021

28:51

Craig Unger's new book American Kompromat details the KGB recruitment of Donald Trump and how a man like Trump can become a valued Russian asset. It can all be legal. It can all be more or less out in the open. And in …

Can the Biden Foreign Policy Team Live Up to Their Advance Billing?

February 22nd, 2021

42:58

The Biden foreign policy and national security teams arrived to choruses of praise for the experience of the members and their general …

Episode 1: Deep Thoughts with David Rothkopf

February 22nd, 2021

17:55

This is our first episode of Deep Thoughts with David Rothkopf, our new weekly feature available exclusively to our members. This week, David discusses the grim milestone of 500K deaths from Covid.

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On January 6, the Noose Was for Mike Pence...Now a Legal Noose Is Tightening Around Trump

February 19th, 2021

48:06

While Trumpists may have celebrated that the disgraced former president was not convicted by the Senate and the Senators who voted to convict have been attacked for their show of conscience, the reality is that Trump's …

The Terrorist Next Door: The New War to Combat Domestic Extremism - Preview

February 18th, 2021

12:20

In the latest in our "Ask the Blob" series (see links below for more about the name), host David Rothkopf is joined by Juliette Kayyem and Clint …

Promising Signs for a New Era in US Foreign Policy

February 16th, 2021

28:58

Representative Ted Deutch (D-Florida) is chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Subcommittee on the Middle East, North Africa and Global Counterterrorism. He joined the podcast to discuss the promising first …

Where Does the Acquittal of Donald Trump Leave Us?

February 15th, 2021

43:16

For the second time in as many years, Donald Trump was acquitted by the Senate, this time for inciting insurrection. Even with the overwhelming evidence the impeachment managers brought forth, just 7 Republican Senators …

When is an Open and Shut Case Not an Open and Shut Case?

February 11th, 2021

43:51

The House Impeachment managers proved beyond any reasonable doubt that Donald Trump incited an insurrection against the US government that resulted …

Does the Impeachment Trial Represent a Turning Point for the GOP?

February 10th, 2021

48:32

The House Impeachment managers are meticulously making an irrefutable case against former President Trump and they are meeting very little resistance …

Once They've Finished the Easy Part, What's Next for the Biden Administration?

February 8th, 2021

46:50

Undoing the policies of our disgraced former president are the low hanging fruit for Biden foreign and national security policy. Allies can be …

The Joyce of Cooking: Judicial Reform, Domestic Terrorism and How to Frost a Cake

February 6th, 2021

53:56

MSNBC legal analyst Joyce Vance joins the podcast this week, and we discuss highly unrelated topics such as pet chickens and how necessary judicial reforms can create a more equitable legal system. Vance’s straight talk …

In Search of the Republican "Taliban We Can Work With"

February 4th, 2021

54:38

Has the GOP lost its mind? Or is its embrace and defense of lunatics, violent extremists, traitors, sex offenders, racists and the highly corrupt a …

Rays of Hope: A Conversation with Tom Friedman

February 3rd, 2021

48:38

This is a complex moment for America and for the world. It is a far cry from the euphoria of the immediate post-Cold War, tech boom era. But there …

What Does the FBI Know That Congress Doesn't?

February 2nd, 2021

40:11

"The FBI Way" is a terrific new book from 25 year FBI veteran and MSNBC contributor Frank Figliuzzi. It details the values within the FBI that have enabled it to succeed so frequently in the past as well as discussing …

America's Not the Only Place Democracy is Under Siege

February 1st, 2021

44:40

Imagine: A coup attempt in which the coup leaders justify taking power because of massive voter fraud. Or imagine a government using force against …

La Dolce Kavita: Chocolate, Choosing Vaccines and An Easy Way to Help Others

January 30th, 2021

58:15

Today’s episode features Kavita Patel, practicing physician and former health and economics policy advisor in the Obama Administration. We talk …

Was Trump's Coup Attempt on January 6th the Start of Something Much Worse?

January 28th, 2021

51:49

While some may look at the Trump coup attempt on January 6th as the last desperate act of the disgraced former president to remain in power, it is already being seen among white supremacist groups as a long expected …

Filibusted: Getting to the Truth About What's Wrong with the US Senate

January 27th, 2021

35:56

Senate "institutionalists" claim the filibuster is a traditional US Senate tool that produces compromise. Nope. It's a tool that was almost never …

Reading the Biden Tea Leaves: What A Week of Change Is Telling Us About Our Futures

January 25th, 2021

47:57

While some Washington hot take artists are already predicting a backlash against Bidenism (and this even before the first dogs Major and Champ have had a chance to start chewing on the White House furniture), even …

Apologies, Layer Cake and Camping: A Conversation with E. Jean Carroll

January 25th, 2021

51:44

Journalist and former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll joins this week’s episode and we dig straight into all the important issues, while also trying …

Three Wednesdays: Storming the Capitol, Impeachment & Inauguration...Where Does It Leave the Average American?

January 21st, 2021

45:07

The past two weeks are unlike any America has ever seen. In the midst of a national pandemic and economic crisis, we saw an unprecedented …

Et Voila! A New America Emerges Overnight!

January 19th, 2021

41:51

The past four years have left deep scars in the United States. Damage has been done. So can a new administration come in and restore America's role …

Russian Dressing and Rolling Trauma

January 16th, 2021

53:15

Today's episode features a conversation with therapist and author of Too Much and Never Enough, Mary L. Trump. We make brownies -- because if warm …

Ask the Experts: How Do We Make January 6 a Positive Turning Point for America?

January 15th, 2021

47:43

We have never seen events like those that occurred on January 6. We have never had a president who posed the kind of threat to our security presented by Donald Trump. We are facing new challenges to our society and …

What Will Be the First Line of Donald Trump's Obituary?

January 14th, 2021

40:11

Will it read "Donald Trump, only president in history to be impeached twice..." or "Donald Trump who presided over the end of American democracy and became it's first king..." or perhaps, "Donald Trump, former president …

Why Trump Should Have Been Impeached Three Times: COVID Update

January 13th, 2021

46:26

While Donald Trump richly deserved the two impeachments that have placed him in the history books, it is arguable that his greatest offenses and failures were associated with grotesque mismanagement of the COVID …

Trump's Failed Coup Attempt: How Bad Was It, How Much Worse Could It Have Been, What to Do Next?

January 11th, 2021

46:50

January 6, 2021 is a date few of us will ever forget. On that day, the president of the United States incited a mob to storm the U.S. Capitol. Five …

The Trump Coup: A Week in Washington Like No Other

January 7th, 2021

54:59

In the midst of a pandemic, with almost 4000 people dying every day, when the nation should be coming together, the President of the United States …

Special Edition: Global Risks 2021 with Ian Bremmer

January 6th, 2021

32:10

A divided US, the future consequences of the pandemic, inaction on climate change, growing tensions between the US and China, the year ahead holds …

2021 Predictions: Boring May Be Out of Biden's Reach

January 4th, 2021

40:38

As we look ahead to the new year, many of us hope to put the constant drama and sleaze and anxiety and pain of the Trump year's behind us. Many hoped …

Too Famous: Stories and Baking with Kathy Griffin

December 24th, 2020

30:05

Today's episode features a conversation with comedian Kathy Griffin. I tried to teach her to bake lemon bars and she tried to convince me she was too famous to have to know how to bake. But what she does do, …

Hopes and Fears: Reflections on 2020 and 2021

December 23rd, 2020

1:08:24

None of us have ever lived through a year like 2020. What are its lessons? What has it changed forever? And where will it lead in 2021? We bring together an extraordinary group to discuss these issues and the questions …

Our Escalating Cyberwar with Russia: What Can Biden Do?

December 22nd, 2020

33:32

We have endured one of the most massive cyberattacks in history this year. While the US Secretary of State, Attorney General and the intelligence community attribute it to Russia, the president does not. When he has not …

American Democracy's Near Death Experience: How Do We Recover and Ensure It Doesn't Happen Again?

December 21st, 2020

44:09

Donald Trump sat in the Oval Office this weekend discussing whether to send in US troops to declare martial law and nullify a legitimate …

Why Having the Most Diverse Cabinet in History Matters

December 17th, 2020

38:14

Joe Biden's cabinet will look more like America than any in our history. It will contain more women, more people of color, a wide range of ages, …

Testing Joe Biden: What Challenges Will Take the Measure of the Next President

December 16th, 2020

37:43

No president has ever entered the job with more foreign policy experience than Joe Biden, who has been playing a role at the highest levels of U.S. …

Can America Ever Lead Again?

December 14th, 2020

49:20

Donald Trump was the worst president in US history. About that, at this point, there can be no doubt. One measure of the disaster he has been is the …

Trump's Endgame: How Bad Can it Get?

December 11th, 2020

54:48

Despite his historic losing streak in the courts (not to mention his big election loss), Donald Trump continues to argue he was robbed. And many in his own party are supporting Trump's arguments and his baseless …

What is the Cure for Post-Trump Stress Disorder? (Asking for a Planet I Know.)

December 7th, 2020

50:43

Donald Trump is very nearly gone. The damage he has done will take years to repair. Where do we start? Socially? Politically? Economically? At …

The One in Which They Scare the Shit Out of You

December 3rd, 2020

54:42

We are about to enter a period of national catastrophe unlike any we have ever seen, unlike the past year, unlike wars through which we have lived. Mass death during this time is preventable if you listen to scientists …

What Comes After WTF? The Future of American Leadership in the Biden Era

November 30th, 2020

49:38

We went from the bi-polar world to the uni-polar world to WTF. The question now is "What comes after WTF?" Is it a restoration? An attempt to squeeze …

Songs of Experience

November 23rd, 2020

50:28

Wait, what? A president who actually has foreign policy experience? A national security team that is not comprised of traitors, crackpots, …

Megashocker: A Normal Conversation About Policy and Politics

November 19th, 2020

53:31

We go where no one else dares: To imagine a Trumpless future, a normal American president doing normal American president-y things like making …

First Principles: The Surprising Truth About What America's Founders Learned from the Greeks and Romans...for Better and for Worse

November 16th, 2020

46:44

Pulitzer Prize-winner Tom Ricks, one of America's foremost journalists and authors, has a new book called "First Principles: What America's Founders …

Are We Entering What Will Be the Least Festive Holiday Season in Our Lifetimes?

November 13th, 2020

58:15

With COVID spiking we will pass over 450,000 dead of the pandemic within months. Hospitals and morgues are being stretched past capacity. The White House has given up doing anything about the crisis and is not helping …

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy...But We're Not Out of the Woods Yet

November 9th, 2020

46:24

Donald Trump's defeat is a watershed in modern U.S. history and a relief for so many of us that it may do permanent damage to the sales of Tums and headache medications. Which is a good thing. But, having said that, …

After the Past Four Years, Do We Have Enough Energy to Celebrate Properly

November 5th, 2020

43:05

As of the posting of this latest edition of Deep State Radio, no victor had been called in the presidential race. But it seems likely Joe Biden is the next president of the United States. Will we be able to appreciate …

There's Got to be a Morning After

November 4th, 2020

1:00:18

Someday soon Tuesday November 3 will end. It may not be for a few weeks. Our president seems to want to make sure it never ends...because when it does, likely, he will too. But someday it'll happen and we'll have to …

What to Do When Your Politics is as Broken as Ours?

November 2nd, 2020

57:11

With Election Day looming this year, Americans began to shutter their windows, put up plywood on the storefronts and they watched National Guard …

Pray but Verify: Can We Trust Our Upcoming Elections?

October 30th, 2020

42:15

We all remember Russia's interference in the last election and we know they are back this time, joined, it seems, by the Iranians. But foreign threats are not the only challenges to election security or the …

Can We Get There From Here: The Precarious Path to "The Third Reconstruction"

October 29th, 2020

44:45

A Democratic victory in the 2020 elections is not a sure thing. As we have discussed on other episodes, the elections are fraught with risks. Further, once an election takes place, there are many ways that the President …

Among All the Traitors in US History, Where Does Donald Trump Rank?

October 28th, 2020

48:01

On a special webinar edition of Deep State Radio, the Financial Times Edward Luce hosts a conversation with David Rothkopf, author of "Traitor: A …

And Now for Something Completely Different: Optimism.

October 26th, 2020

42:12

We know, we know. This is no time for complacency. This is no time to minimize the challenges we face. This is no time to assume anything about the election or its aftermath. We must work hard and be on guard against …

The Man Who Ran Washington

October 23rd, 2020

32:16

In this special episode we discuss "The Man Who Ran Washington: The Life and Times of James A. Baker III," the landmark biography of one of the real titans of the Washington scene over the past half century, with its …

The View from Inside the Trump White House: It Ain’t Pretty

October 22nd, 2020

50:30

Some of the most hard-hitting and shocking criticisms of Donald Trump have come from insiders in his administration. From Rex Tillerson’s calling his former boss a “fucking moron” to his former Director of National …

The Most Successful Covert Operation Since the Trojan Horse...and It Wasn't So Covert

October 21st, 2020

46:36

Russia has been trying to weaken the United States since the first days of the Cold War. But in that entire span of three-quarters of a century, even …

Will American Tear Itself Apart?

October 19th, 2020

39:21

One of our regulars, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, had an article in the Weekend FT called "Will America tear itself apart: The Supreme Court, 2020 …

A Song of Fire and Ice...and Cyber and Terrorists and Lawyers

October 16th, 2020

48:03

In Game of Thrones leadership decisions were made with the help of dragons and Moon Doors and Valyrian steel daggers. In America today, people play …

From a Wannabe Authoritarian to the Perfect Weapon

October 12th, 2020

51:23

Donald Trump has unleashed resources of his government to support his campaign against Joe Biden in a way that America would condemn were it the …

From the 25th Amendment to a Trip to the Hague: What to Do About Trump?

October 9th, 2020

47:59

The increasingly erratic president was pretty erratic to begin with. Which has made the past week all the more unnerving. Throw in revelations about the unusual layers of secrecy and the cover ups surrounding the …

The 3 a.m. Call is Coming from Inside the White House

October 5th, 2020

51:01

The biggest national security story in America today is the biggest domestic story and the biggest political story and the biggest economic story and …

Shit Show or Clusterfuck? (And are we talking about the debates, Trump's taxes or the whole Trump presidency?)

October 2nd, 2020

42:31

The debate this week was a trainwreck inside a dog's breakfast wrapped in bad acid trip. It was, despite the best efforts of Joe Biden to discuss the issues, chaotic. But that's what President Trump wanted. Because it …

Our Unfolding Democratic Emergency: The Red Lights are Already Flashing

September 30th, 2020

48:47

The Constitutional rot of the past four years has set the stage for the corruption of our institutions and, equally importantly, for growing delegitimization of our government. This plays into the hands of a president …

The Most Precarious Moment for American Democracy Since the Civil War

September 25th, 2020

47:11

The President of the United States has deliberately raised questions about whether our democratic system will work properly while actively working to ensure it does not. From voting to the courts to the enforcement of …

Have We Already Seen the October Surprise?

September 25th, 2020

44:00

Is a resurgent COVID the October Surprise? Is it the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg? Will it be the nomination and approval of a replacement for her prior to the election? Will it be the announcement of a …

Setting the Agenda at a Watershed Moment for Women's Rights in America

September 23rd, 2020

31:03

Cecile Richards is the CEO and founder of Supermajority, a new organization for "women's activism, training and the mobilization of a multiracial, …

What Happens When We Lose a National Hero a Moment When the Entire US Government Faces a Crisis of Legitimacy?

September 21st, 2020

52:48

Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a rarity in Washington, a true hero, one of those voices who would not be silenced by conventional wisdom or the zeitgeist or …

The Question That Looms Above the Trump Presidency

September 18th, 2020

33:05

Michael Schmidt's new book "Donald Trump v. The United States: Inside the Struggle to Stop a President" is one of the required reads of this moment in our history. It gets deep inside the effort to protect the president …

Donald Trump's "Avalanche of Outrageousness": The Perspectives of Peter Strzok

September 17th, 2020

50:33

Peter Strzok is one of America's most respected, experienced counterintelligence specialists. His career at the FBI reads like a thriller and as a consequence, so does his new book "Compromised: Counterintelligence and …

Will Joe Biden Be the President Progressives Think We Need?

September 15th, 2020

51:22

The divide between the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and centrists has dogged the party for years and hurt Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2016. Thanks to equal parts good planning, good will and the urgency of …

Is There a Cure for What Ails the GOP?

September 11th, 2020

51:01

The Republican Party not only produced the corrupt, failed presidency of Donald Trump, but it has supported Trump at every turn. What is to be done with a party that embraces a president who is a traitor, a con man, a …

We are at 65 9/11s and Counting...Where Do We Go From Here?

September 10th, 2020

54:07

The two defining crises of the past 40 years in the US have been the 9/11 attacks and the COVID crisis. In both cases, government lies and bad …

Aaaaaand the hoooome of the...suckers...and losers!

September 8th, 2020

47:15

Donald Trump doesn't think much of America's military and he thinks even less of its members who sacrificed their lives or freedom for the country. And, now he wants another four years as commander-in-chief of that …

While Trump Tries to Bury the Russia Story, Russia is Still Trying to Bury Us

September 3rd, 2020

48:21

As former U.S. Under Secretary of State Richard Stengel says during this special podcast, when he interviewed Putin several years ago, the Russian …

The Worst Term We Can Think of For Trump...is a Second Term

August 27th, 2020

46:01

After the lawlessness and lies of the GOP convention it is clearer than ever that another term in office for Donald Trump would be devastating for …

Foreign Policy Takes a Holiday: Welcome to Campaign Season 2020

August 24th, 2020

39:18

Every four years a heated debate occurs among foreign policy and national security nerds about why foreign policy and national security just don't …

The End of the Great Russia Hoax Hoax

August 20th, 2020

50:07

There is one and only one major hoax associated with the relationship between Donald Trump and the Russian government during the 2016 elections. That's the hoax hoax, Trump's denials that he worked with Russian …

What Do the United States and Belarus Have in Common?

August 17th, 2020

46:21

As many US observers watched brave Belarussians take to the streets to protest the rigged election engineered by their autocratic president, they …

Who You Gonna Call...When the Fire Department is Taken Over by Arsonists?

August 13th, 2020

47:39

With the president making even more outrageous remarks about his desire to impede voting by mail and the GOP mobilizing more efforts to spread disinformation, it is clear the weeks before the election will be …

What Thomas Hobbes Did on His Summer Vacation

August 10th, 2020

47:02

We summarize a busy and disturbing week of world events with a bit of free-association between Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Kori Schake of AEI and David Sanger of the New York Times. It takes us from Bill Barr …

We are in the Worst Case Scenario...What's Next?

August 7th, 2020

49:14

In this special Agenda 2021 episode, we bring together three of America's top expert commentators on the COVID crisis to discuss where we are in the crisis, what may impact it between now and the election and then what …

"This is America's Last Chance"

August 6th, 2020

38:44

For four decades America has been led away from the values of opportunity and creative ingenuity that led it to become the greatest power in the world. Inequality has grown, society has grown more divided, and power has …

Election 2020, What Could Go Wrong?

August 4th, 2020

44:07

America has had disputed election results in the past. 2016 comes to mind. So does 2000. So does 1876. But, in all these cases and with all the …

Our Enemies are Laughing Now, Wait Until You See What a Second Trump Term Looks Like

August 3rd, 2020

42:39

In Russia, they refer to Trump as being "theirs." In France, the president muses about how Europe should prepare for an America that is no longer an …

When it Comes to National Security, this Administration is "Holding a Gun to Our Own Heads and Threatening to Shoot"

July 31st, 2020

39:52

In a remarkable 50 year career in government that has seen him as Secretary of Defense, Director of the CIA, White House Chief of Staff, Director of the Office of Management and Budget and in Congressional leadership, …

Preparing for the Next Trump-Barr Crime Wave: Stealing the Election

July 30th, 2020

43:20

Thanks to his trusty personal defense attorney Bill Barr and his defender in the Senate Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump has gotten away with betraying his country, enriching himself at the expense of the public, …

"The End of White Politics" is Now

July 28th, 2020

31:25

Commentator and political pro Zerlina Maxwell's book "The End of White Politics" could not be better timed. It comes in the summer of BLM and COVID …

"Donald will never get better...and he's only going to get worse."

July 27th, 2020

50:28

No one has provided the insight into the pathologies that define Donald Trump and his presidency like Trump's niece, Mary L. Trump. Her book, "Too …

Navigating Via Rearview Mirror: Toxic Leadership, Groupthink and the Management Mess that Led to a Public Health Catastrophe

July 24th, 2020

44:59

Viruses occur in nature. So do epidemics. But where most of the world's leading economies managed the COVID crisis well enough to control it? America …

Are We About to Enter a New Era in Climate Policy?

July 21st, 2020

42:50

Any Democratic president would immediately work to reverse the damage that the Trump Administration has done to climate and environmental policies in …

What is the World Capital of Omnishambolic Clusterfuckery?

July 20th, 2020

45:35

Some national governments are clusterfucks. Others are omnishambles. But a rare few are both. Is Donald Trump's America the capital of omnishambolic …

200,000 Dead by August? Who Will Be Held Accountable for the Crimes Now Being Committed Against the American People?

July 17th, 2020

53:57

The Trump Administration and its allies in key statehouses are suppressing vital data about the spread of COVID. Without that data,

tens of thousands of more Americans will die. Crimes are being committed. Who will be …

"If the President Were a Military Officer He Would Be Court-Martialed"

July 13th, 2020

39:53

Rep. Anthony Brown, (D-Maryland), Vice Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, with a distinguished military career behind him, joins our …

A Good Day for the Constitution, A Mixed Bag for Trump & a Bad Day for Barr

July 9th, 2020

40:01

The Supreme Court rulings on Trump's taxes put a stake through the heart of the absurd idea that U.S. presidents had absolute immunity and …

We Are Beginning to Look a Lot Like a Failed State

July 8th, 2020

36:07

This episode of our Agenda 2021 series is a one-on-one conversation with General James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence and prior to that Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. We discuss …

We do not have a federal government

July 2nd, 2020

49:35

The most charitable interpretation of the events surrounding the Russian bounty scandal is that we have suffered a catastrophic breakdown in our …

What's the Worst Thing About the Russian-Afghan Bounty on Allied Troops Scandal?

June 29th, 2020

47:09

The Russian-Afghan bounty on allied troops scandal is rocking the White House. But it is actually many scandals in one. There is the scandal that Russia sought to pay to have US and allied forces killed, the scandal …

Justice Started Out Blind, But at the Moment that May be the Least of Her Problems

June 25th, 2020

43:51

Have we ever seen an Attorney General so contemptuous of the law? A Department of Justice so dedicated to promulgating injustice? A judiciary so full …

Nobel Prize Winner Joseph Stiglitz on the Way Out from the Crisis

June 24th, 2020

33:01

We face an extraordinary challenge--a massive economic crisis and a great public health crisis, each feeding into one another. Our government's response thus far has exacerbated both. To recover is going to require big …

The Song of the Summer of 2020 is Likely to Be a Sad One

June 22nd, 2020

43:45

To commemorate the beginning of summer, we take a look at the issues likely to dominate the headlines between now and Labor Day, from COVID to unrest in the streets, the economic crisis to potential cyberattacks, from …

The COVID Prognosis is Bleak

June 19th, 2020

44:30

Everywhere you go, you get the sense that people are "over" COVID...except the hospitals that are filling up across the country. In fact, the …

Trump is Terrible, No One is Surprised and He Could Still Win

June 18th, 2020

48:36

John Bolton's book has Washington in a tizzy. Whether the rest of the country cares that much, whether anyone will see it as revelatory, whether it …

Third Anniversary Episode: The Protests are America Healing

June 15th, 2020

50:08

In honor of three years of doing "Deep State Radio", the original gang of Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Kori Schake of AEI and David Sanger of the New York Times join host David Rothkopf for a discussion of the …

Is This a “Break Glass in Emergency” Moment?

June 11th, 2020

53:35

Donald Trump says he's never even heard of Brett McGurk, but that's what he says whenever he feels jilted. On today's episode of Deep State Radio, …

The Top 5 Economic Steps a Biden Administration Should Take in 2021

June 10th, 2020

30:12

We are in a deep economic crisis today, the worst unemployment crisis since the Great Depression. While some recovery from the worst of the crisis is possible prior to the election, whomever takes office in 2021 will …

A Category 5 Global Economic Hurricane is Looming

June 8th, 2020

51:47

According to economist Ricardo Hausmann of Harvard's Kennedy School, the economic crisis triggered by the COVID pandemic is going to be very …

Lies, Damned Lies and Lies Trump Doesn't Even Realize Are Lies

June 4th, 2020

46:56

If Parson Weems, who wrote of little George Washington's inability to tell a lie, were to write the story of Donald Trump and the cherry tree, you …

What Difference Will an Election Make: Democracy and Human Rights After Trump

June 3rd, 2020

54:29

There is no question that the Trump Administration has been a dramatic departure from past US Administrations on issues like democracy promotion, human rights and protecting press freedoms. Autocrats have been …

What Fresh Hell Is This? Or This? And What About This One Over Here?

June 1st, 2020

52:36

As if a public health catastrophe and an economic disaster were not enough, America is now rocked by the worst civil unrest in 50 years. And, to make matters worse, the president is...making matters worse. Wherever he …

The Crisis Enters a New Phase: Are We Making Progress or Simply Facing or Even Creating New Risks?

May 28th, 2020

50:11

America is re-opening. Whether we should be or not is beside the point. It is happening. So the question becomes how do we manage that re-opening and …

Remaking US Foreign Policy in the Aftermath of a President Who Has Been "Drunk at the Wheel"

May 27th, 2020

48:53

It is possible that in January 2021, America may welcome a president with more foreign policy experience than anyone who has assumed the office in …

Under Cover of Covid: While One Crisis Commands Our Attention Others are Brewing

May 26th, 2020

45:13

COVID has taken such a ghastly human and economic toll that people can speak of or think of little else. That's dangerous. Because opportunists and …

The Craziness in Washington is Not Just a Sideshow, It is a Symptom of an Unprecedented US Leadership Failure

May 22nd, 2020

46:03

We have a new Director of National intelligence who doesn't meet the minimum statutory requirements for holding the job. We have an administration …

Rosie the Riveter Would Have Worn a Mask--Trump Must Too

May 20th, 2020

30:48

Donald Trump likes to talk a lot about being a wartime president. But wartime presidents lead by example and inspire the country to set aside …

You Think It's Bad Combatting a Pandemic with Leaders Who Don't Understand Science?  Just Wait.

May 18th, 2020

45:30

In many ways, one of the unexpected side-effects of the COVID pandemic has been a rapid acceleration of the application of new technologies and the …

Our Next Great National Challenge is to Rebuild Our Economy: Where Do We Begin?

May 15th, 2020

53:21

Almost 40 million Americans have lost their jobs in the past 8 weeks. That is a quarter of the workforce. We have never faced a crisis like this one. How we choose to rebuild will be the decision that will define us all …

Kill the Body and the Head Will Fall

May 11th, 2020

35:09

In boxing, repeated body blows are seen as a way to bring down an adversary. We will soon see whether the repeated body blows the US economy and society have endured during this crisis will have the same effect on the …

Do We Need a Marshall Plan for the United States America?

May 7th, 2020

46:20

With more than 33 million people claiming unemployment insurance in the past six weeks, 75,000 reported dead of COVID, 1.3 million reported infected with the disease and an unprecedented social crisis that now has 1 in …

Hiding in Plain Sight: A Conversation with Sarah Kendzior

May 5th, 2020

31:03

Sarah Kendzior's latest book "Hiding in Plain Sight" describes precisely why Donald Trump's failures as a leader, his support for our enemies and his …

What Hath Jared Wrought...and What's He Doing With the PPE Our Health Workers Need?

May 4th, 2020

44:57

We are joined on this special episode of DSR by Rep. Ted Deutch, a member of the House Foreign Affairs and Judiciary Committees as well as chairman of the Ethics Committee. Deutch has been actively leading efforts for …

We Were Warned: A Conversation with Rep. Ted Lieu

May 1st, 2020

29:53

Congressman Ted Lieu of California played a leading role in the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment hearings and so he remembers when witnesses …

We Can't Handle the Truth! (And the Truth Doesn't Give a Damn)

April 30th, 2020

52:23

60,000 Americans are dead. 1 million are infected. And those are just the official numbers. 30 million are unemployed. And Jared Kushner declares "Success!" And Trump's approval rating rises. But the coronavirus pays no …

Is Kim Jong Un Dead or Collecting Shells at the Beach on His "Staycation"?

April 30th, 2020

42:59

Is Kim Jong Un dead? Chilling at the beach? Succumbing to an overdose of cheese? Will he fully recover? Or will he be succeeded by his sister? His …

Taking a Closer Look at that Oncoming Train

April 27th, 2020

46:51

The President of the United States keeps talking about the light at the end of the tunnel. But even his top economic advisors don't expect the economic aftershocks of this crisis to end for 18 months or more. Those …

What Do We Do in Lieu of a President?: The View from the Medical and the Political Front Lines

April 24th, 2020

51:55

As Angela Merkel observed this week, we are just in the first stages of this crisis. As many Americans have observed, we would be better off if we …

Is Trump a Man or a Mouse?

April 20th, 2020

52:22

Trump is a wannabe authoritarian who has consistently abused the power of his office and sought to place himself above the law. Trump is also a president who, when faced with a crisis, failed to use the resources of the …

The Upside of the Apocalypse

April 16th, 2020

51:54

While we are making some headway on flattening the curve when it comes to coronavirus in some parts of the US, it is clear the one curve that will not be flattened is the president's learning curve. The timeline of this …

Special Edition: Rep. Val Demings on COVID, Florida, and Our Future

April 15th, 2020

23:16

Representative Val Demings is, for good reason, on every short list there is to be Joe Biden's Vice Presidential running mate. Join us for a great and wide ranging conversation with her about the impact of the …

The World Will Never Be the Same--But How Will It Be Different?

April 13th, 2020

53:05

As we anticipate months more of lockdown and efforts at recovery, at further tragic loss of life and catastrophic economic dislocation, it is clear that we are living through an era-defining event. Such events typically …

Special Episode: Inside Trump's Failure to Respond to the COVID-19 Threat

April 13th, 2020

38:41

On April 11, the New York Times published an in-depth examination of the repeated warnings President Trump received concerning the impending coronavirus crisis and the story behind his steadfast opposition to doing …

The Fog of Pandemic: If the Virus Doesn't Get You, the Misinformation, Inequality or Lessons Unlearned Will

April 9th, 2020

1:05:43

The only thing you know about the ghastly numbers the grow larger every day on your computer or television screen is that they are wrong. They hugely understate the number of victims of the current pandemic and because …

Will Democracy Be COVID-19's Most Consequential Victim?

April 6th, 2020

55:28

One of the surest ways to get fired in the Trump Administration is to speak the truth. Ask Captain Brett Crozier. Or just place your duty to the country ahead of your loyalty to Donald Trump. Ask former Intelligence …

A Health Crisis Wrapped in an Economic Crisis Inside a Leadership Crisis

April 2nd, 2020

49:44

America is just over 4% of the world's population but home to 25% of its COVID-19 cases. While European nations like Italy and Spain are wracked with …

Do Our Leaders Morals Matter in a Crisis Like This?

March 30th, 2020

1:06:41

Joe Nye, Harvard professor and formerly Dean of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, has a timely new book called "Do Morals Matter? Presidents …

What Will the Death Toll of the War on Science Be?

March 26th, 2020

50:52

In South Africa during the AIDS crisis, as our special guest Dr. Seema Yasmin points out, the government's denial of AIDS took a measurable …

Beyond the Politics of the Pandemic: In a Crisis Party Must Not Matter

March 23rd, 2020

51:11

While the debate about managing the pandemic has grown more rancorous in recent days as death tolls have climbed and states have lamented the …

We've Never Seen Anything Like This...And All That We Know About the Future is that the Worst Is Yet to Come

March 19th, 2020

52:55

The Coronavirus Crisis is the first 50 state natural disaster in American history. And while it is certainly not the first for which the federal response was lacking, it may be the worst overall response of an …

We Won't be the Same Again: A Once in a Century Crisis and the Big Changes It Will Produce

March 17th, 2020

46:48

From an explosion of e-commerce to a re-evaluation of the roll of government, a teaching moment for healthcare policy and geopolitical shocks and …

Flying Blind: Facing an Unprecedented Crisis In a Time of Complete Leadership Failure in Washington

March 16th, 2020

31:18

There are countries and systems that are managing the COVID-19 crisis comparatively well. South Korea, which invested heavily and early in testing is one. Singapore, in the view of renowned infectious disease expert and …

When It's a Matter of Life and Death, Who Can You Trust?

March 13th, 2020

44:58

Lives are at stake in the coronavirus crisis. And the future of democracy is at stake in the upcoming election. What is disturbing is that both vitally important issues depend on all of us having access to the facts and …

It's the End of the World As We Know It (And We Feel Fine...More or Less...Well, Not As Bad As You'd Think)

March 9th, 2020

51:34

In a moment that a global pandemic has you self-quarantined and social distancing and a global market collapse has you terrified about the future and …

Lies, Damned Lies, Infodemics and The Trump Disinformation Machine

March 6th, 2020

50:54

We don't raise an eyebrow when Trump lies. Most of his early lies were of little consequence, about his wealth or sexual prowess or intellect. But in recent weeks, in the midst of the first major International crisis …

Afghanistan! Syria! Coronavirus! Elections! What's Scariest?

March 2nd, 2020

57:56

After 20 years, the US is trying its best to get out of Dodge in Afghanistan. Trouble is the not-quite-a-peace-deal announced over the weekend fell apart on Monday. The US got out of Syria and now that country is on the …

What If Shattering Norms Was the Right Thing to Do, But We Shattered All the Wrong Ones?

February 28th, 2020

48:40

Donald Trump has made narcissism the central organizing principle of his government. It used to be said institutions were the lengthened shadow of one man. In the case of the US government today it is the lengthened …

The Winds of Authoritarianism are Blowing Stronger

February 24th, 2020

50:53

Donald Trump is remaking the U.S. government in ways that make you less safe, make our justice system less fair, put our democracy at greater …

We are in Uncharted Waters for the US National Security Community: What Next?

February 21st, 2020

27:52

Donald Trump is purging his cabinet of expertise and those who place loyalty to the Constitution above that to Trump personally. In the intelligence community, State Department, Justice Department, Department of Defense …

Russia, Russia, Russia! Our President's One Track Mind

February 21st, 2020

38:33

You may think that all Donald Trump thinks about is himself. Or his latest grift. Or cheeseburgers. But when you look at his recent behavior, it looks like even with impeachment behind him, our president saves most of …

The Democratic Party Death Wish: Why? Why? Why?

February 20th, 2020

43:22

It would seem like 2020 would be offering a great opportunity for Democrats what with the president being historical unpopular and perhaps the most …

Utter Madness: Trump & the World Fail in the Face of a Potential Pandemic

February 11th, 2020

34:08

Coronavirus has a new name: Covid-19. It has infected over 50,000 people and taken over 1,000 lives. But the crisis may be just beginning. And the response of governments from China to the United States may be only be …

America's Election Year Vulnerabilities: The Grim Outlook

February 11th, 2020

43:57

In 2016, Russia not only helped elect Donald Trump, they also assured Americans would never again be able to look at election results with the same …

Where Do We Go From Here?: Part II, Let's Keep Fighting Edition

February 8th, 2020

43:29

With each day since Trump's sham acquittal ceremony, it has become clear that the president sees the outcome that was served up on a silver platter by the servile Senate GOP (with one exception) as the license to behave …

How Bad Can it Get?: Don't Ask

February 7th, 2020

45:42

If you thought Trump's acquittal by the Senate was the worst thing that could happen this week, you seem to be forgetting who you are dealing …

Trump and "The Bomb": If He's the Most Dangerous President Ever, Why Isn't Anyone Talking About the Really Biggest Risks Re-election Will Bring?

February 4th, 2020

40:23

If you read Fred Kaplan's new book "The Bomb" you will discover that despite the best efforts of some very qualified, competent presidents and their teams, we've come pretty close to blowing up the world a few times …

Put Away Your Sweatpants! The Jury of 100 Will Disappoint. On to the Jury of 130 Million!

January 31st, 2020

45:06

The House Managers have done an extraordinary job in the Senate trial, led by the eloquence and brilliance of Adam Schiff. They have compellingly …

A Pandemic Plus Donald Trump? What Could Go Wrong? Also: Is Joe Biden the Best Answer for Progressives?

January 29th, 2020

30:57

The outbreak of coronavirus in China is rapidly emerging as a major global public health crisis? How bad might it get? How is our government doing in …

While You Were Flipping Out About Impeachment, Armageddon Got a Little Closer

January 28th, 2020

42:07

The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists recently pushed its Doomsday Clock closer to "midnight" than it has ever been. They did this because nuclear …

Impeachment Surprise: Acquittal or Conviction Are Far From the Only Two Possible Outcomes of the Senate Trial

January 24th, 2020

37:50

While the outcome of the Senate trial seems a foregone conclusion, even an acquittal might not be good news for President Trump. There are a whole …

Impeachment! Primaries! Elections! What if none of it really matters?

January 21st, 2020

41:38

We're at one of the most fraught moments in American political history. The country is polarized. The president is going to trial. That president is …

The Week in Trump: When Is a Trial Not a Trial, a Hoax Not a Hoax, and a Big Trade Deal Neither Big Nor a Trade Deal?

January 17th, 2020

56:23

As the Senate impeachment trial looms, Republicans seem not to understand what a trial is. They don't want witnesses. They don't want evidence. They especially don't want witnesses or facts that might further implicate …

The Soleimani Killing Was the First Wag-the-Dog Episode of the Trump 2020 Campaign...Whose Dog Will Be Next?

January 13th, 2020

46:49

The president has no foreign policy expertise, no advisors, no morals, no scruples and he is in deep political hot water at home. So naturally, he …

Why the Impeachment Trial Might Be the High Point of Donald Trump's Year

January 10th, 2020

55:44

If and when Nancy Pelosi decides to sends the articles of impeachment to the Senate, the odds of a fair trial are slim to none. (Aw, who are we kidding? They're zero.) Trump will be acquitted. He will have a celebratory …

Have We Just Bumbled into Another War in the Middle East?

January 7th, 2020

56:18

In the days since President Donald Trump ordered the killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, the presidents's spokespeople have taken to the …

Two Years Later, We Are In a Constitutional Crisis

December 30th, 2019

51:07

For Two Years, Rosa Brooks had remained optimistic that despite all that was happening in the Trump administration over the past three years, a …

Other than the End of the World and the Fall of Democracy, How Did You Like the Decade, Mrs. Lincoln?

December 23rd, 2019

46:56

In the last episode of not just 2019 but of the entire decade for Deep State Radio, we gather Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Stephen Walt of …

Rep. Eric Swalwell: Don't Assume McConnell Holds the Winning Hand on the Shape of the Senate Trial

December 21st, 2019

15:32

During this special 20 minute conversation with one of the standout stars of the impeachment process, California Congressman Eric Swalwell, he parries the latest jibes from the White House against Nancy Pelosi and the …

The Republican Centipede: It's a Horror Movie, but for Whom?

December 20th, 2019

47:05



In the wake of impeachment, all eyes turn to the Senate. Will delaying handing over the articles of impeachment buy the Democrats any leverage? Will buying time be enough with new bad news for Trump breaking daily--such …

The Incredible Shrinking Special Relationship and What Comes Next

December 17th, 2019

45:26

The US and the UK were the Batman and Robin of the Atlantic Alliance. Or was it the Holmes and Watson? The Lucy and Ethel? Well, whatever we were, we …

What's Worse Than Donald Trump Winning Re-election?

December 13th, 2019

1:01:30

What if the history books record that Donald Trump was third American president to be impeached, but the first of those to be re-elected? It's not …

In Other News: Birds Spitting Burning Tar Onto the Wailing Masses Below

December 10th, 2019

51:36

Remember national security? Remember defending the country against foreign attacks? Remember principles? Remember truth? Well, there sure are some people in our government who don't. Saudis attack Americans and the …

How Will History View the Impeachment of Donald Trump?

December 6th, 2019

48:10

On this special episode of Deep State Radio, coinciding with the official beginning of the House Judiciary Committee's Impeachment Hearings, we discuss the case against Trump in the context of history. Our guests are …

There Are No Turning Points

December 3rd, 2019

53:06

With every flashing headline, every bright chyron claiming "breaking news" we expect our worlds are changing. In the current political atmosphere in …

What's Better Than Listening to Your Crazy Relatives Talk Politics?

November 28th, 2019

39:45

Psssst. Put down that drumstick. Push back from the Thanksgiving table. You don't need any more of that pumpkin pie. (And we say that as your friend.) We have something better for you to do, in keeping with the spirit …

How Does a Nation Go Morally Bankrupt?: Gradually and then Suddenly.

November 26th, 2019

56:09

The president of the United States, always searching for lower lows, has done profound damage to the military, our system of justice and America's standing in the world by pardoning war criminals from our own …

If You Think Post-Impeachment Hearings Depression is Bad, Wait Till You See What's Next

November 22nd, 2019

46:35

Adam Schiff masterfully conducted impeachment hearings that made the case that Donald Trump sought to bribe and extort the president of Ukraine, …

While the World Burns: Impeachment Week Ahead and Other Trumpian Catastrophes

November 18th, 2019

42:01

This week promises to be a dramatic on the impeachment front. Is Gordon Sondland going to tell the truth (for the first time) or lie (again)? What …

What if the Facts on Impeachment Just Don't Matter?

November 15th, 2019

1:01:42

In Ohio today, one house of the legislature passed a law saying that if a student gets a science question wrong at school because it does not conform …

Through the Lens of Ukraine: The Escalating Dangers of Trump Foreign Policy

November 12th, 2019

30:30

With all eyes on the impeachment hearings this week, we take a step back to reframe the discussion about Trump shake-down of the Ukrainian government in terms of the damage that was done to U.S. national security …

Let's Not Screw Up This Impeachment Thing, OK?

November 8th, 2019

49:59

Next week public hearings on impeachment will begin. Democrats, led by Rep. Adam Schiff, will make the case that Donald Trump sought to bribe a foreign official, one of the few high crimes and misdemeanors specified in …

It Can Happen Here: As Tyranny Looms and Becomes More Likely Daily

November 5th, 2019

52:22

Look around. Count the good and great political leaders in the world today. That didn't take long did it? Why not? What has happened? Where have all …

Pelosi? How Many Prosecutors Does She Have?

October 31st, 2019

41:40

Once, when presented with an argument that the Pope would appreciate it if he laid off persecuting Russian Catholics, Stalin responded, "The …

Will Trump's Efforts to End "Forever Wars" End Up Undermining Lasting Peace?

October 30th, 2019

40:03

Donald Trump has promoted a foreign policy that seeks to reverse or undermine many of the lasting tenets of post WWII U.S. foreign policy. He wants …

"No Need to Thank Us, America. It's What We Do.": The Deep State Rides to the Rescue Again

October 28th, 2019

54:53

The not-so-secret secret of Trump foreign policy is that there is no policy. But the better kept secret is that we have one seeming policy from the …

King Me: How Trump and the DOJ Are Not Just Ignoring the Constitution But Trying to Undo the American Revolution

October 25th, 2019

49:05

This was the week the cracks began to show in Republican defenses of the indefensible. Oh sure, there were more distractions, shenanigans and …

Trump is a One Man Crime Wave...and What Do the Dems Do Now?

October 25th, 2019

45:36

From describing Trump's violations of the Constitution's foreign and domestic emoluments clauses as the Trump Administration's "original sin" to …

Alas, Poor Democracy, I Knew Him, Horatio...

October 21st, 2019

50:02

What if the problem is not Trump. Or Boris Johnson. Or the rest of the current occupants of the global leadership clown car?

What if the problem runs deeper? What if something about our societies is fundamentally …

The Only Pro in the Trump Administration is the One in Quid Pro Quo

October 18th, 2019

1:00:15

It has been a few days of staggering incompetence, ignorance, corruption and betrayal from the Trump Administration. The Kurds were betrayed not once but twice, most recently by a sham deal that facilitates Turkish …

A Turning Point in the Impeachment Investigation: Is the End for Trump Nearing?

October 16th, 2019

32:25

As every day brings new testimony from former members of the Trump Administration that confirms there was widespread acknowledgment that what the President and his agents were doing in Ukraine was wrong, new questions …

Trump's Catastrophe: What Do We Do When the President is the Greatest Threat We Face?

October 14th, 2019

50:00

Donald Trump gave the greenlight to a Turkish invasion of Syria that has already led to manifold calamities. We betrayed our Kurdish allies. They are …

Congratulations, We've Given Birth to a Bouncing Baby Constitutional Crisis!

October 11th, 2019

54:04

You've been waiting for it. You've been talking about it. You've been listening to our Rosa Brooks say we weren't there yet for a year now. But, finally, thanks to the really extraordinary rejection of basic …

The Dangerous Consequences of the "Great and Unmatched Wisdom" of Donald Trump

October 8th, 2019

50:51

Donald Trump has given the blessing of the U.S. to a Turkish invasion of Northern Syria that could lead to a humanitarian catastrophe for the Kurds, …

Impeachable Offenses R Us: The Trump Administration Hurtles Toward...What?

October 4th, 2019

48:24



With new scandals and controversies emerging every hour on the hour, it is hard to know which are serious, which are distractions and which are just hallucinations in the mind of a punch drunk nation. What does it …

Are the Democrats Ready for Impeachment?

October 2nd, 2019

35:48

The die is cast. Impeachment hearings are underway. The Trump presidency is in great (and well-deserved) peril. But, getting from where we are to an impeachment vote in the House and a conviction in the Senate will …

Have We Turned the Corner on Impeachment?

October 1st, 2019

43:21

A week ago a substantial majority of Americans opposed even an impeachment inquiry. Today, a majority of all Americans support such an inquiry and …

Making Sense of the Ukraine Whistleblower Revelations

September 27th, 2019

52:44

It's not just you. We're all lying beneath the rubble of substantial portions of American democracy trying to figure out what hit us. Fortunately, you have us. So, climb on the treadmill or save this for the drive home …

What Tiny 16 Year-Old Towers Over America's President?

September 26th, 2019

41:27

The answer of course to the question posed in the title of this podcast is Greta Thunberg, the extraordinary young Scandinavian leader who has delivered the message that the climate crisis is real and urgent better than …

The Biggest National Security Threat We Face is President Trump: A Conversation with Secretary Leon Panetta

September 25th, 2019

43:30

Few Americans in our history have had such wide-ranging and distinguished careers as Leon Panetta. A former Secretary of Defense, Director of Central Intelligence and White House Chief of Staff as well as a long-time …

Watershed or More Water Under the Bridge: Examining the Ukraine Whistleblower Case

September 24th, 2019

47:06

Every few weeks Trump does something that leads everyone to exclaim, "Now he really has done it! This will be the end of him." And every few weeks after people can hardly remember what the last surefire last straw …

Donald Trump is the MRSA of Presidents: A Grave Threat Our System Can't Fight Off

September 20th, 2019

50:32

Our political system has built into it a kind of immune system to protect it from abuse and abusers. But just as how in life, bacteria develop that …

Anyone Have Any Ideas for What Dem Foreign Policy Should Be? Bueller? Bueller?

September 17th, 2019

57:03

We're getting into the serious campaigning for president and so far it's fair to say foreign policy hasn't really been front and center. Or anywhere …

Stand by For An Avalanche of Sh*t: Trump Foreign Policy Post-Bolton & Pre-Election

September 13th, 2019

42:21

John Bolton may not be National Security Advisor any more but it hardly matters because he wasn't actually ever really National Security Advisor to …

The Impeachment Investigation Kicks Into Gear: A Newsmaker Conversation with Rep. Ted Lieu

September 12th, 2019

23:52

Today the House Judiciary Committee announced the new guidelines for its impeachment investigation. We are joined on this special edition of National Security Magazine by Representative Ted Lieu of California, a member …

Summer's Over, Now Things are Really Going to Get Crazy

September 10th, 2019

47:24

We bet you think that there was plenty of crazy to go around this summer and that you were as unsettled by each day's news as you could …

Putin's Hand Puppet Makes An Appearance in France

August 29th, 2019

45:01

In the second of two episodes following up on the G7 meeting in Biarritz, Joe Cirincione of the Ploughshares Fund, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and …

Four Minutes from Armageddon

August 27th, 2019

49:41

If the president of the United States decides to launch a nuclear attack, our system is designed for him to be able to do so quickly and for virtually no one to be able to stop him. It takes four minutes from the moment …

We Are Not Prepared for Today's Global Threats...or Tomorrow's

August 23rd, 2019

38:55

In a far reaching and incisive conversation with Michael Morell, host of CBS News "Intelligence Matters" podcast and former Acting Director of Central Intelligence and Deputy Director of the CIA from 2010-2013, we …

Special End of Summer Collusionpalooza!!!

August 23rd, 2019

51:30

The collusion hits just keep on coming on Deep State Radio. We don't just have the 2016 oldies that made the Mueller Report so great (or so long, …

Nuclear Powered Missiles, Explosions, Radiation Plumes in Russia: Nothing to See Here

August 22nd, 2019

47:26

David Sanger of the New York Times brings us up to date on the latest from the Russian nuclear program--which means catastrophes near the arctic circle with ramifications that extend around the globe. Kori Schake of …

Greenland, The 51st State

August 20th, 2019

49:59

In an obvious attempt to infuriate Puerto Rican statehood advocates, Donald Trump wants to buy Greenland. And if a few thousand Republicans would …

Attention Planet Earth: Listen to this Pod and Learn What the Next US Presidency Will Be Like

August 15th, 2019

47:54

The day after Donald Trump leaves office in January 2021 (as we'll assume for the sake of argument and/or sanity that he does), what happens to America's relations with the world? What snaps back to the way it was in …

A Conversation with General James Clapper: Priorities for an Intel Community in Flux

August 14th, 2019

38:33

General James Clapper was both the Director of National Intelligence and the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, one of the most distinguished intelligence leaders of the past several decades. We discuss with …

Tobogganing Toward Gomorrah Revisited

August 13th, 2019

37:51

On this episode of Deep State Radio Kori Schake of IISS and Ed Luce of the Financial Times join host David Rothkopf to discuss the state of global …

Rising to the Challenge of White Supremacist Terror in a Country With a Racist President

August 9th, 2019

46:56

On this special edition of Deep State Radio live, we have an in-depth one-on-one conversation with Barbara McQuade, former U.S. Attorney and 

frequent commentator on legal developments on MSNBC. As one of America's …

"This is the Best Time to Be Your Worst Selves"--Trump's Message to the World

August 6th, 2019

57:53

America is reeling from two more mass shootings. White nationalism and our gun pathology have combined with the encouragement of the White House to …

How Many Articles of Impeachment Does Donald Trump Deserve?

August 2nd, 2019

45:46

Now that a majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives support an impeachment inquiry and the House has argued in court that such an inquiry is already under way, the question becomes where does it lead? How …

Are We on a Slippery Slope Toward Authoritarianism...and Can the "Deep State" Save Us?

August 2nd, 2019

45:18

On this edition of National Security Magazine we have an in-depth discussion with former Acting CIA Director John McLaughlin about the president's proposed leadership change at the top of the US intelligence community …

The Last of the Grown Ups Is Leaving the Building

July 30th, 2019

53:56

Dan Coats was not a perfect Director of National Intelligence, but he was a good one, a truth-teller in an administration of slavering sycophants. He will be missed, especially since his replacement is another sycophant …

The Back Channel: A Conversation with America's Most Distinguished Diplomat About the Past & Future of U.S. Foreign Policy

July 26th, 2019

48:56

Ambassador Bill Burns is one of the most distinguished US diplomats of the past 50 years. In a wide ranging conversation based upon his great memoir …

Is Impeachment Dead and If It Is, Can Democracy Be Far Behind?

July 26th, 2019

45:30

In this special discussion in the wake of Robert Mueller's testimony on Capitol Hill, Greg Sargent of the Washington Post, Ryan Goodman of Just …

Racism, Hatred and the Moment in American and World Politics

July 25th, 2019

35:36

According to Jonathan Greenblatt, National Director and CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, this is a particular fraught moment in the long history of …

And Now for Something Even More Stupid and Dangerous Than the Usual Dangerous Stupidity

July 23rd, 2019

44:07

As the great foreign policy scholar Dean Wormer of Faber College once said, "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son." It's also no …

To Celebrate 200 Episodes: A Little Piece of the Thorny Crown of Entropy for Everyone

July 18th, 2019

39:57

Remember the scene in "Mean Girls" where Cady breaks the prom queen tiara into piece for everyone? Well, that's what we do here as we celebrate 200 podcasts with a look at the world during the two year's since the …

200 Podcast Episodes Later How Bad Have Things Gotten for America?

July 16th, 2019

45:33

It's not our fault. The month before DSR started Comey got fired, Mueller got hired, and we were off to the races with the Greatest Witch Hunt in …

200th Episode Special, Part I: A Glimmer of Hope?

July 12th, 2019

1:08:15

As part of our celebration of 200th episode, we had a special conversation with Lawrence O'Donnell, host of MSNBC's "The Last Word" and one of the keenest, most candid observers of Washington anywhere. We discuss with …

Ivanka's in Charge, Everybody, Nothing to Worry About!

July 9th, 2019

42:25

When the special relationship starts coming apart at the seams because of an unfortunate outbreak of stating the obvious, who you gonna call? Ivanka! From the DMZ to world leader photo ops to Brexit, America's crown …

Special July 4th Episode: America Really Does Not Suck!

July 4th, 2019

49:16


Yes, our Constitution is not exactly working as planned. Yes, checks and balances are not checking or balancing. Yes, the president and his family …

It's a Great Time to Be a Nuke!

July 2nd, 2019

45:40

President Trump became the first American president to enter North Korea. That's the good news. He also seems to be heading for a deal with North Korea that may freeze their nuclear arsenal at 20-60 warheads. That's not …

Good Question for the Next Debate: Do You Have a Son-in-Law and Will He Control Your Foreign Policy?

June 27th, 2019

59:48

So, there was this war with Iran, remember? Then there wasn't. Then there were cyberattacks. But what did they do? And were they legal? And why did we do them? And isn't all this making another war in the Middle East …

50/50 in 2020: Why So Many Candidates are Pledging Gender Parity in National Security Leadership

June 25th, 2019

52:21

From one perspective, this is not a particularly auspicious moment for women at the top ranks of the US government. There are fewer women in …

Should You Care if the US and Russia Are Engaged in a Cyberwar Right Now?

June 20th, 2019

43:51

There's a lot we don't know about cyberwar. But that doesn't mean we can stop progress from happening while we figure it out. So, Russia attacks us, we attack back, escalation occurs and who knows, our officials may or …

America Loves Foreign Policy. No, Really...

June 18th, 2019

42:46

It is conventional wisdom that Americans want nothing to do with the world save for cheap imports and K-Pop music. Even New York Times columnists say …

R.I.P. "A Nation of Laws Not Men", 1780-2019

June 14th, 2019

1:10:55

In 1780 John Adams wrote "For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no

The Great Successor: A Conversation with Anna Fifield on Her New Book on Kim Jong Un

June 13th, 2019

52:20

Anna Fifield, Beijing Bureau Chief of the Washington Post, has written an extraordinary new book providing never before available insights into North …

One on One with Prof. Lawrence Tribe: A Different Path Toward Impeachment

June 11th, 2019

42:39

Impeachment has become a charged word in our national political debate. But the framers of our Constitution saw it as an essential tool in protecting …

National Psychosis or Constitutional Rot, the Question Remains: Is there a Cure?

June 7th, 2019

41:37

The disinformation war of the President, AG Barr and their associates is unlike any we have ever seen in US history...and this is a country that …

30 Years After Tiananmen: What Direction is China Heading?

June 6th, 2019

39:44

With his new book, "China's New Red Guard: The Return of Radicalism and the Rebirth of Mao Zedong" author Jude Blanchette describes vividly a shift …

Balloons Over London: The Latest Dispatch from the Milkshake Wars

June 4th, 2019

50:17

Much as the barrage balloons that used to float above London during the blitz were ominous reminders of dire impending threats, so too does the large inflatable Baby Trump that floats over London when the American …

Targeter: A Conversation with Nada Bakos on the Past, Present and Future of Intelligence

May 30th, 2019

43:38

Nada Bakos was a CIA targeter during the height of the War on Terror. She has just completed a compelling new book on her experiences on the ground in the Middle East, at the Agency and coping with the White House and …

The Good News is Not Every Part of the Frog Has Been Boiled Quite Yet

May 24th, 2019

51:05

From the potential for abuse associated with indictments like those handed down in the case of Julian Assange to the potential for abuse in not …

Happy Day! It's Our Summer Reading Episode!

May 23rd, 2019

44:06

Deep Staters love to...drink box wine. But sometimes, when they are sober, they also love to read. Sometimes they read when they're drunk, too. But what do they read? And does it help? On this, our annual and much …

Who Deserves a Banana Milkshake in the Face?

May 21st, 2019

53:04

Nigel Farage, who got one, certainly does? But who else does? Who might deserve a pumpkin pie? And, while we're at it, do you think that will stop the spread of right wing nuts like Farage? The news suggests no. So …

The Threat Is Not War With Iran, It's Right Here at Home

May 17th, 2019

57:01

Trump talks tough. But like most bullies, he shies away from any real fight. The problem is talking tough increases tensions and that raises the risk …

The Zebra Problem and Russiagate as the Original Sin of the Trump Administration

May 14th, 2019

47:24

As one of our guests on this week's episode, Max Bergmann of the Center for American Progress pointed out, the Trump Administration presents the so-called "Zebra Problem." Zebra's stripes might not appear great …

The President of the United States is a One Man Crime Wave

May 10th, 2019

55:58

The Speaker of the House and Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee have declared we are in a Constitutional Crisis. The White House has adopted a …

Constitutional Rot, Part Twelve: How Much of This Can We Take?

May 9th, 2019

45:51

Where do we start? Trump renews his video bromance with Vladimir Putin and Putin smiles. Then they collude to agree they didn't collude. 800 …

So Much for Conventional Wisdom, America Actually Seems to Care About Foreign Policy

May 7th, 2019

49:25

It has long been a foundational belief of political smarties everywhere that the average American does not give a hoot about foreign policy. But …

My Midwest Chat Fest: My Conversation with Paul Adelstein

May 3rd, 2019

58:29

You've seen him in Scandal, Private Practice & Grey's Anatomy..so basically ever single Shonda Rhimes show that you're obsessed with Paul …

If the 25th Amendment Won't Work, What if the Government Just Ignored the President for a Couple Years?

May 2nd, 2019

40:04

David Sanger of the New York Times joins Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Kori Schake of IISS to discuss why the president's top advisors don't want their staffs raising the issue of protecting the US from further …

Is Donald Trump More Like Henry VIII or the Night King?

April 30th, 2019

52:54

On this episode, our experts Edward Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center and Kori Schake of IISS reveal the secret and disturbingly advanced plans of Donald Trump to blow the …

The One In Which Kori Schake Shuts Down the Biden Campaign Before It Gets Started

April 25th, 2019

38:01

It has been a busy week in foreign affairs even if you have been too glued to the Mueller Report, the White House Easter Egg roll and Game of Thrones …

Remember the Part of the Mueller Report that Was About Being Attacked by a Foreign Enemy?

April 23rd, 2019

52:38

No, the Mueller report was not about exoneration. No, it was not about politics. But one thing it was about at its inception was that the US had been …

Still in Deep Doo Doo: The Only Mueller Report Podcast You'll Ever Need

April 19th, 2019

1:07:04

Sick of the Mueller Report tsunami of news and commentary? Zoning out on tepid hot takes from the usual suspects? Want to know what the Mueller Report really means, what's next, what went wrong, why this isn't the end …

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Mueller Report

April 16th, 2019

48:01

We'll get some of the Mueller Report later this week. Or the Barr version of the Mueller Report. And it is certain to prove the president innocent...or guilty. Hot takes will fly. But as our guests Rosa Brooks of …

How I Learned to Perfect My Key Lime Pie: A Conversation with Andrew Zimmern

April 12th, 2019

1:11:29

This week on “Washington for Beautiful People,” Emily’s special guest is a chef, entrepreneur, father, teacher, author, television host and the guy …

Empty Posturing with Iran?

April 11th, 2019

45:12

The US has designated Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, the first time it has done so with a foreign military. Some see this as …

Another Fine Mess: The Country is Full But the Administration is Empty

April 9th, 2019

40:06

According to the president, we have a crisis on our southern border. And we have national security threats from N. Korea to Venezuela to Iran. And yet, we don't have a Secretary of Defense, of the Air Force, a WH Chief …

The Day I pledged Wine & Fries Sorority: A Conversation with Sam Vinograd and Asha Rangappa

April 5th, 2019

55:59

“Washington for Beautiful People” hit the road for a very special episode taped from the campus of Yale University. CNN’s two favorite political …

Who Is America's Worst Ally...and Can Joe Biden Make Everything Right Again?

April 4th, 2019

43:52

As we look toward 2020 will it matter that apparently the White House was handing out security clearances like candy on Halloween? Will Trump's …

Sen. Chris Murphy: From the Middle East to the Southern Border What We Need Most is New Leadershi

April 2nd, 2019

35:01

Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut has since entering the U.S. Senate in 2013 emerged as one of its leading voices on foreign policy and, especially …

That's a Pretty Putrid Pony Blanket You've Got There

April 2nd, 2019

44:45

According to our Kori Schake of IISS, a military term for a strategy document is a "pony blanket." On this episode we do the unthinkable and discuss our "strategies" (and we use the term loosely) in the Americas at the …

Fun, Laughs, Good Times: A Conversation with Three of my Favorite Tweople

March 29th, 2019

1:07:06

What do you get when you combine four mouthy tweople (that 's people on twitter.) You get chaos, laughter, political conversation and did I mention …

Jump Down the Trash Shoot Flyboy: A Brexit Update

March 28th, 2019

43:56

The current leadership in the UK may or may not be the worst since the low points of Plantagenet rule. Our experts Ed Luce of the Financial Times, …

Natasha Bertrand: This Is Only the End of the Beginning of the Trump-Russia Saga

March 26th, 2019

40:03

Few journalists have so distinguished themselves in their coverage of the Trump-Russia investigations as has Natasha Bertrand, staff writer for the Atlantic and analyst for NBC News. We discuss the recent developments …

A Crappy Human Being Surrounded by Other Crappy Human Beings

March 26th, 2019

41:34

Despite the pronouncements of the Trump Administration that the president has been fully exonerated (and those by his spokesperson that people who …

Did I Forget to Mention, His Dad Worked for the CIA: A Conversation with Diedrich Bader

March 22nd, 2019

35:28

Diedrich Bader was born in D.C, lived in Paris, Dad worked for the CIA (yup, that CIA) and he has an IMDB page that's longer than a CVS receipt. I think it's official, Diedrich Bader just claimed the title as the most …

Bribing Your Way into the Global Elite

March 21st, 2019

31:38

In this episode of Deep State Radio, David Rothkopf remains in an undisclosed location, and Rosa Brooks -- the Mike Pence of Deep State Radio (or maybe the Harry Truman?) -- again steps in as host. Rosa, Ed Luce and …

Stay, May, or D-Day?

March 19th, 2019

44:46

In this episode of Deep State Radio, David Rothkopf takes a "vacation," and Rosa Brooks steps in as hostess with the mostest. Ed Luce tell listeners that the prospects of a brand new Brexit referendum are looking …

A Conversation with Entertainment Weekly Journalist Anthony Breznican

March 15th, 2019

43:04

Washington for Beautiful People is where entertainment and politics meet, so who better to talk about this than Entertainment Weekly Senior Reporter …

The One in Which Sex Spas in South Florida Are Finally Mentioned

March 14th, 2019

49:11

Lurid and sleazy are everyday descriptions in Trumpworld but the world was nonetheless stunned by revelations of a South Florida madam who founded a chain of spas recently busted for human trafficking and how she has …

Less Than Zero: A Look at the President’s Budget…and into His Mind

March 12th, 2019

45:50

For a man who’s word means nothing and who never met a lie he didn’t like, it is hard to imagine how Donald Trump could produce something even more …

Amb. Tim Roemer: Is Our Most Neglected Big Power Relationship with India? And What's Ahead for Democrats in 2020?

March 11th, 2019

38:28

America and India are entering a rough patch in the relationship between the world’s two biggest democracies.  Trade issues are at the center of the current trouble but the problems go deeper.  And of course, we have …

The Podcast that Almost Drove America's Sweetheart To Drink: A Conversation with Valerie Bertinelli

March 8th, 2019

52:35

It's not often that America's Sweetheart exclaims "this conversation is going to drive me to drink." That's the sign of a fiery conversation about …

Time for a Time Out from the Saudis?

March 7th, 2019

44:40

Jared Kushner is in charge of the US relations with the Saudis (among others). How's that working for us? Is he the one giving the Saudis the thumbs up that they can abuse human rights to their hearts content without …

Lessons of Hanoi

March 5th, 2019

40:49

David Sanger was in Hanoi for the failed negotiations between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un. He recommends the food, the US approaches to the negotiation not so much. Apparently, leaving it to two megalomaniacal leaders …

Amb. Michael McFaul: The View from a Point In US-Russia Relations No One Could Have Envisioned

March 4th, 2019

38:17

Five years ago, the Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine began. That was followed by the annexation of Crimea, US and European sanctions and, soon …

How I Met The Creator Of How I Met Your Mother: A Conversation with the very funny Craig Thomas

March 1st, 2019

47:28

Craig's college fallback plan was to become a tv writer and when you're as talented and funny as he is, a TV writer is a great fallback plan. Signing …

Please Stop the News! It's Too Much!

February 28th, 2019

39:59

Depending on your view of history and human life, the Michael Cohen circus on television this Wednesday was the third or fourth most important story of the day (that we know of). Certainly, a shooting war between two …

Are We On the Verge of Trump’s First Big Foreign Policy Win?

February 26th, 2019

43:54

Sometimes the experts at Deep State Radio harbor a slight but noticeable skepticism about the foreign policy acumen of Donald Trump and the band of …

Stephen Walt on Why Less is More in the Middle East and Where Donald Trump Has (Accidentally) Gotten It Right

February 23rd, 2019

40:23

Once upon a time Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer wrote a blockbuster book called "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy." Deep State Radio Host …

That Time My Friend Turned Out To Be A Russian Spy: A Conversation with Elena Nico

February 22nd, 2019

56:49

Everyone has a story to tell and Elena Nicolaou has a helluva one. For years Elena and her family were close friends with Paul Erickson and his …

What’s Worse Than America Failing Its Allies?

February 21st, 2019

43:28

Donald Trump’s America has so alienated our traditional allies that when Mike Pence and Ivanka Trump went to the Munich Security Conference this past week, they were humiliated on more than one occasion by a clearly …

Traitors in Plain Sight

February 20th, 2019

44:37

In America today we face the shocking reality that there are traitors at the highest level of our government selling out our country.  What makes this more shocking is that depending on which party you are in, you see a …

Are We Ready for the Future of War?: A Conversation with General (Ret.) Charles Jacoby

February 19th, 2019

40:14

In his 37 year career in the U.S. Army, General Charles Jacoby rose to become the commanding general of U.S. Northcom and the North American Aerospace Defense Command and a leading thinker of some of the most pressing …

Twitter's Dynamic Duo: My funny, profanity laced, insightful conversation with Rick Wilson and Molly Jong-Fast

February 15th, 2019

44:46

They're twitter's dynamic duo: he's the peanut butter to her jelly, the Mickey to her Minnie, the Batman to...you get the point. These two guests are hilarious and when you bring them together on this podcast, THEY ARE …

What Do Virginia's Confederate Monuments Have to do with Foreign Policy?

February 14th, 2019

44:53

Virginia's leadership mess obscures deeper problems within the state...and the country. How do our flaws--from racism to anti-semitism to our corrupt current leadership--impact America's standing and create …

What if We Were President?

February 12th, 2019

45:51

What if Rosa Brooks was president? What if Kori Schake were? What about Evelyn Farkas? We live in an era of strong women candidates...what about strong women from the Deep State? Tune in and you will discover that's the …

Just Because Trumpworld is Batshit Crazy Doesn't Mean You Should Lose Sight of the Big Picture

February 11th, 2019

41:54

In an in-depth conversation with former National Security Advisor to Vice President Joe Biden Colin Kahl, now of Stanford University, we discuss the …

The Best American Conspiracy: A Conversation with Brad Meltzer

February 8th, 2019

51:21

What if I told you I know this guy who counts U.S. Presidents as fans, has been on the New York Times Bestseller list (many times) & created a tv …

Why Is Adam Schiff Making the President So Nervous?

February 7th, 2019

22:14

Adam Schiff, Chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, is a soft-spoken, thoughtful man who does not at first glance seem to be the …

Rep. Ted Lieu: We are at the Beginning of a New Era in Congressional Foreign Affairs Oversight

January 29th, 2019

39:26
Congressman Ted Lieu of California, is one of the smartest, hardest working members of the U.S. Congress. A member of the Democratic Leadership, Lieu, brings an undergraduate degree in computer science from Stanford, a …

Tales in Wagging the Dog: I'll Trade You Roger Stone for Nicolas Maduro

January 29th, 2019

42:02
Roger Stone was very upset the FBI made his dog anxious when they raided his home. He also was unhappy he did not have chance to put on a nice suit …

Shuffle Off To The Deep State: A Funny Snarky Conversation With Asha Rangappa

January 25th, 2019

50:37
You may know Asha Rangappa as the witty, brilliant legal & national security analyst that graces your television screens on CNN. But, I know her as my tap dancing, french fry loving snark sister. What makes Asha's …

Will the Government Shutdown Be the High Water Mark for the Rest of the Trump Years?

January 24th, 2019

48:42
If the shutdown in Washington drags on and with it animosity between the political parties grows, will the remainder of Trump's first term be marked …

John McLaughlin: "Truth Power" & the Shifting Role of the Intelligence Community in the Age of Trump

January 23rd, 2019

37:56
For more than 30 years, John McLaughlin has been one of the most thoughtful and trusted minds in the U.S. Intelligence Community rising to be Acting …

The Racist-in-Chief Marks Another Martin Luther King Day

January 22nd, 2019

50:00
Donald Trump has the figure and muscle tone of a baby whale but he moved through the MLK Memorial in Washington on Monday like Usain Bolt. Traveling …

Hostage Musicals, Rap Names and Twitter Trolls: A Conversation with Warren Leight

January 18th, 2019

48:29
After 300 rejection letters from local newspapers around the country, Warren Leight decided it was time to ditch his journalistic pursuits, and we're …

Roomba for President 2020

January 17th, 2019

41:35
Trump may be a disaster as a person and as a president. But he may also be triggering a rebirth in American political thought and a flowering of new …

Well, If It Isn't a Brand New Bouncing Baby Constitutional Crisis!

January 15th, 2019

44:32
We're finally getting there folks. It is not the government shutdown. It is not the hyper-politicization of everything. But thanks to Donald Trump …

Gen. Mark Hertling: The Nation May Need a Trump Every Once in a While...But for How Long?

January 14th, 2019

48:05
General Mark Hertling served for 37 years in the U.S. military, rising to become Commanding General of the U.S. Army Europe. Since his retirement, he has become well-known as a commentator on television and on social …

The Time Hillary Clinton Fired You & You Keep Showing Up: A Candid Conversation w/ Philippe Reines.

January 11th, 2019

43:50
Hillary Clinton's senior advisor Philippe Reines has had a unique career path, to say the least. He never imagined that his job would circle him …

2019: The Year in Review, Part II--"The Worst Year of Donald Trump's Life"

January 10th, 2019

47:26
In this, our second year in review episode for the year ahead we look at US domestic developments in the next 12 months. The bad news is--they're pretty bleak. The good news is--we tell them to you in advance so you …

2019: The Year in Review, Part I--"War: What is it Good For?"

January 8th, 2019

50:24
As we have learned, these days years seem much longer than they used to. So, as a special service to Deep State nation, your favorite podsters are providing you with all of 2019 in two compact 45 minute episodes. The …

The Best of Deep State Radio: 1 on 1’s

January 4th, 2019

1:07:25
We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the Best of Deep State Radio. In this …

The Best of Deep State Radio: Emergency Episodes

January 3rd, 2019

2:48:32
Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the …

The Best of Deep State Radio: Kavanaugh

December 27th, 2018

1:17:17
Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the …

The Best of Deep State Radio: The Milestone Episode Part 2

December 26th, 2018

1:46:55
Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the …

The Best of Deep State Radio: The Milestone Episode Part 1

December 26th, 2018

1:31:31
Happy Holidays from Deep State Radio! We’re on holiday break this week, but we wanted to be sure you got your Deep State Radio fix. Welcome to the …

It Started With A Bang: A Conversation with Bill Prady, EVP & Co-Creator Big Bang Theory

December 21st, 2018

1:01:56
Not everyone can claim Kermit the Frog, Miss. Piggy and Fozzie Bear as their friends. Not everyone can say they created the most successful sitcom on …

A Deep State Xmas, Part II: Jewels from the Tiara of Optimism

December 20th, 2018

42:14
What made the Tiara of Optimism sparkle in 2018? And who? We pick the positive stories of the past year and the people for whom we are the most …

"A Cloud Hanging Over Our Country": 1 on 1 with Gen. James Clapper

December 19th, 2018

40:43
The latest edition of Deep State Radio's National Security Magazine offers up an in-depth interview with one of the most distinguished leaders the U.S. intelligence community has produced, General James Clapper. …

A Deep State Xmas: Thorns from the Crown of Entropy

December 18th, 2018

45:43
Santa is not the only one who knows whether you have been naughty or nice. The rest of the Deep State knows too. And by the rest of the Deep State, we mean...yes, Santa is one of us. Of course. On this episode, …

Don't Cryer for Me Argentina: A Conversation with Jon Cryer

December 14th, 2018

49:44
What does Trump, podcasts and Patti Lupone have in common: Jon Cryer. On Washington for Beautiful People Jon and Emily discuss Trump, twitter trolls, …

Is a Chasm Opening Up with the Gulf? (Obama Nostalgia May Soon Occur in the Unlikeliest of Places)

December 13th, 2018

51:54
The U.S. Senate, not recently known for its courage or willingness to stand up to President Donald Trump, sent the entire Trump Administration an acid rebuke on Thursday when it voted to stop funding for U.S. support of …

The Most Dangerous Moment in Half a Century: A Conversation with David Sanger

December 12th, 2018

36:03
David Sanger of the New York Times discusses how the Trump Administration's decision to pull out of the INF Treaty because of Russian non-compliance …

Our Idiots Are More Idiotic Than Your Idiots

December 11th, 2018

47:28
The Economist named former Foreign Secretary and famed unmade bed Boris Johnson as its idiot of the year. Ed Luce of the Financial Times, joins our discussion to explain why. Then Evelyn Farkas of the German Marshall …

She's Fierce, She's Funny and She Put Words in Obama's Mouth: A Conversation with Nell Scovell

December 7th, 2018

39:18
When TV Writer Nell Scovell wrote her now famous tell all expose in Vanity Fair about the behind the scenes exploits at Late Night with David …

What Does the Life of George H.W. Bush Tell Us About Our Current Moment?

December 6th, 2018

47:22
We can debate the policy and personal successes and failures of George H.W. Bush but there is no question that his example stands in stark contrast …

U.S. Foreign Policy in the Post Trump Era: A Conversation with Jake Sullivan

December 5th, 2018

46:28
Relax. Keep your champagne on ice. Donald Trump is still president of the United States. And his foreign policy--which is a crudely mixed cocktail …

Don't You Wish Tony Soprano Were President?

December 4th, 2018

43:31
Tony liked ducks. He was introspective enough to enter therapy. He loved his family. He had a code of ethics. He even drank every so often. He …

Special Premiere Episode: After Working for Comey and Mueller, He Realized He Couldn't Work for Trum

November 30th, 2018

48:57
When Josh Campbell joined the FBI, he was told one thing: FBI doesn’t lie. Josh worked for Comey, he worked for Mueller and learned that integrity …

Special Exclusive: The Word is 'Betrayal': A Conversation with Rep. Eric Swalwell

November 29th, 2018

27:05
Responding to the reports of Michael Cohen's Trump Tower Moscow lies and guilty plea, the rising star Congressman from California, Rep. Eric Swalwell, reveals where the new Congress is likely to take investigations into …

National Security Magazine Episode 1

November 29th, 2018

40:39
New from the Deep State Radio Network, National Security Magazine will be a regular podcast series featuring long-form interviews with important …

Everything is Easier When You're Stupid

November 29th, 2018

48:26
When Donald Trump was presented with the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in the US elections (of which he was Exhibit A) he said, "I don't believe it." When presented with proof of the Saudi Crown Prince …

What's Next for the Axis of Assholes?

November 27th, 2018

50:57
Trump has forged an indelible bond not with our allies nor with the American people (a majority of whom can't stand him) but with a group of really bad men worldwide who are not just evil, they're creeps. Vlad. Bibi. …

A Deep State Thanksgiving, Part Deux: Who and What We are Thankful For

November 22nd, 2018

39:11
It's Thanksgiving weekend in the USA. It's a warm, friendly, family holiday provided that a.) your family does not discuss politics, b.) your …

A Deep State Thanksgiving, Part I: Turkeys of the Year

November 20th, 2018

48:14
Who needs relatives? Join your Deep State family for a cheerful holiday discussion of the Turkeys of the Year, the losers, jerks, criminals, and …

Who Will Be Prosecuted for the War Crimes in Yemen?

November 15th, 2018

47:58
Yemen has become a humanitarian catastrophe on a scale of few others in the recent history of the planet. 14 million people live on the verge of famine. Tens of thousands are dead. And despite gestures in the …

Trump's Hair May Be Dry But the World Is Going to Hell in a Handbasket

November 13th, 2018

42:04
Trump's Europe trip was a rare multi-tiered fiasco, a kind of mille feuille of fiascos, at which the disasters operated on many levels--his …

Special Emergency Episode: From Sessions to Whitaker, How Low Can Trump Go?

November 9th, 2018

27:31
There are constitutional reasons why Mathew Whitaker should not succeed Jeff Sessions as even the Acting Attorney General of the US. There are legal …

1-on-1 with Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL: Hate in America and Where We Go From Here

November 9th, 2018

21:33
It is one week after the shootings in Pittsburgh and 80 years after Kristallnacht. How deep do the rivers of hate in America today run? How much …

Could It Be the Election's Two Biggest Losers were Donald Trump and...Robert Mueller?

November 8th, 2018

37:20
Donald Trump said the mid-terms were a huge success (they weren't), that he did better than other presidents during their first mid-term elections …

Finally, the Big Day Is Upon Us...the Official Beginning of the 2020 Campaign is Just Hours Away!

November 5th, 2018

44:44
Americans will finally get to express themselves at the ballot box after two years of division, turmoil, lies and lurid headlines. Election Day is here. Our Rosa Brooks, Kori Schake and Ed Luce get together to help …

Trump Two Years After His Election: Who Gets the Lower Grade, the President or the People?

November 1st, 2018

33:07
With the midterm elections days away, our experts discuss just what the past two years have taught us about Trump, about the American electorate, and about the world. We also talk about where we are headed and what we …

What if the Problem Isn't that We're Leaderless But That They Are Leading Us in the Wrong Direction?

October 30th, 2018

38:09
Brazil elects a hard-right candidate who is a threat to democracy. The BRICs are no longer the harbingers of progress we thought them to be. Angela Merkel, who has stepped up in the Era of Trump to be the Leader of …

If Every Teacher Had a Portable Nuclear Weapon There Would Be No More School Shootings

October 25th, 2018

44:32
The Kashoggi murder has rocked the Middle East. The underlying crime was so horrific, its cover-up has been so pathetic and unpersuasive, and the position of the US administration has only compounded the outrage. The …

The Hell of Good Intentions...and the Pleasures of Dubious Ones...

October 22nd, 2018

41:18
Harvard's Stephen Walt has written a timely book called "The Hell of Good Intentions: America's Foreign Policy Elite and the Decline of U.S. …

1-on-1 with Ivo Daalder: A Discussion of the New Book "The Empty Throne"

October 18th, 2018

23:10
Ivo Daalder and James Lindsay, two of America's leading foreign policy experts have written an in-depth analysis of Donald Trump's tenure to date as …

What Foreign Policy Shifts May Follow a Dem Victory in November?

October 18th, 2018

41:32
While the Trump Administration may get much Trumpier with the personnel changes expected after Election Day, a Democratic victory on November 6th …

Fascist, Incompetent or Both: Assessing Trumpism Today

October 16th, 2018

48:17
In the Financial Times our own Ed Luce discusses how Trump's attacks on the truth and his enemies have moved us toward fascism and where he has fallen short of achieving key steps on the road toward that brand of …

Values, I’ll Show You Values…How Much Will Pay Me to Set Aside My Values?

October 11th, 2018

48:32
Values matter. Well, at least the appearance of having values matter. Well, at least they always did until Donald Trump came along. Now, around the world foreign leaders know that the US is in it for whatever Donald …

The Invasion of the Blob People

October 9th, 2018

43:51
How much are foreign policy elites responsible for the rise of nationalist, anti-globalist views worldwide? How much is the retreat of American …

Second Verse Same As the First

October 4th, 2018

47:38
Most of Deep State Radio’s cutting edge, youthful listeners are probably too young to remember the song the title references (“Mrs. Brown You Had a …

Kavanaugh is Not Just a Nominee, He’s a Symptom

October 2nd, 2018

45:31
The political furor around the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court may seem like pure domestic US politics, but the implications for …

Kavaghhelltothefuckingnaw

September 27th, 2018

21:55
Spent your day listening to the Kavanaugh hearings? We did too. And we wanted to offer up some real time insights and perspectives on what was a dramatic and historic day. We do this in the form of one of our new …

Asshole Culture: The Discussion

September 27th, 2018

41:59
There are assholes everywhere you look these days, especially in positions of power. The result is high assholery in our policies and our political …

Enough About My Solipsism, What Do You Think of My Solipsism?

September 25th, 2018

37:30
We have the most solipsistic president in American history offering up the most solipsistic foreign policy ever at a time when the me-me-me …

The Thing Most Foreign to US Foreign Policy is Anything Resembling a Policy

September 20th, 2018

46:42
With a couple of recent good articles in The Atlantic, leading thinkers like Peter Beinart and Thomas Wright have begun to ask the critical question: …

What Cocktail Goes Best with Armageddon?

September 18th, 2018

43:37
It's that time of day. The sun is setting. You're a little parched. Maybe more than a little due to the fireball on the horizon. What's just the right cocktail for the moment? On this episode of Deep State Radio we …

Know-Nothings, Do-Nothings, Mugwumps and Nerds, Oh My!

September 13th, 2018

45:27
The release of Bob Woodward's book "Fear" and the recent anonymous oped in the New York Times claiming to be by a senior official who is mounting the resistance to Trump from within the administration raise important …

Is That Thing Under John Bolton's Nose a Bugbear?

September 11th, 2018

41:53
Brick by brick the Trump team is not building a wall, it's dismantling the international order. The latest move--an attack on the International …

"Forget it, Jake...it's Crazytown" (Super Hair-on-Fire Emergency Episode)

September 6th, 2018

36:18
Every report out of the Trump White House tells the same story. Whether it's the anonymous op-ed from a "senior Trump Administration official" in the New York Times or Bob Woodward's book "Fear" or the Omarosa book or …

Crazytown Diaries, Part II: The Chaos at Home Begets Chaos Abroad

September 6th, 2018

40:04
The White House is a shambles. The president is an object of ridicule among his closest aides. The Congress is looking the other way seeming to want …

Crazytown: From a Nation of Laws to One of Pathologies

September 4th, 2018

49:02
In a brilliant bit of turnabout, John McCain's last act was to use his own funeral to bury Donald Trump. By excluding him from the ceremonies and …

The Art of the Un-Deal

August 30th, 2018

36:41
Donald Trump's track record as an international deal-maker is perfect. He still has not made one major deal of any sort anywhere with anyone (except maybe with a nice gentleman in Moscow, but we'll leave that be for …

Trump Message to NFL Players He Says are Disrespecting the Flag, “Hold My Beer.”

August 28th, 2018

37:18
Donald Trump has wrapped himself so tightly in the flag he could be America’s first July 4th mummy but while his true colors may be red white and …

Our Biggest Intelligence Problem is the President's Intelligence

August 23rd, 2018

47:40
While the intelligence and law enforcement communities reel from the president's attacks, Donald Trump has sent further signals that he expects personal loyalty above loyalty to the nation from all of his team across …

Special Episode: Trumpocalypse Now

August 23rd, 2018

58:27
This week in important Steven Tyler news, the Aerosmith front man demanded that Donald Trump stop playing his band's song "Livin' on the Edge" at their rallies. And he makes a good point. Trump is past that point and …

It Was a Big Week for Authoritarianism in America

August 21st, 2018

48:13
As reports have come in of Russia escalating its attacks on American democracy, our President has hopped into action escalating his war against the people who are protecting us from the Russians. Trump has begun a …

If We Could Spend All the Money in the World on Defense Would We?

August 16th, 2018

44:03
With great fanfare Donald Trump did the presidential equivalent of stuffing a pair of athletic socks down his pants and announced the new defense spending bill. It was, as might be expected, yuge. Once again we will …

The Highly Classified Reasons Too Many Things are Highly Classified

August 14th, 2018

48:02
Nothing is more core to the life of the Deep State than marking documents classified. After all, if just anyone could read them, who'd want to? On …

Which Books You Should Own & Never Read, Which You Should Read & Which to Skip Altogether

August 9th, 2018

52:18
Summer Reading Edition: On this special episode of a podcast so special it doesn't need special episodes but can't help doing them anyway, we delve into the world of books. Georgetown's Rosa Brooks, IISS' Kori Schake …

Ed Luce Defends Cricket...and Trump Admits Treason: What a Summer!

August 7th, 2018

51:22
Did you know that Ed Luce was once on a cricket team that Imran Khan occasionally would coach during breaks in his high profile high society dating …

Attack of the Killer Zucchinis

August 2nd, 2018

41:32
In which we start with cricket get to Imram Khan, discuss how hunky he was as a young cricketer and how his populism and the nukes he now controls …

What Would Scipio Africanus Think?

July 31st, 2018

47:44
In the latest Deep State Radio our friends Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of IISS and Evelyn Farkas of the Atlantic Council offer secrets into how they remain so well-informed. It all turns on …

But Her Emails...

July 26th, 2018

45:54
If only someone had told us that Trump has distrusted alliances and the international order his whole life, that he was close to Russia and Russians, …

Beware the Man with a Cheeseburger in the Pocket of HIs Bathrobe

July 24th, 2018

45:56
A lonely old man wandering the White House late at night in his bathrobe, perhaps with a half-eaten McDonald's cheeseburger in his pocket gets angry …

What are We Going to Tell Our Grandchildren?

July 19th, 2018

53:44
As Richard Nixon might have said, "What are we going to do when we don't have Western Civilization to kick around any more?" Things happen fast in …

Putting the Hell Back in Helsinki

July 16th, 2018

55:31
Donald Trump completed the most unsuccessful foreign trip of any president since Theodore Roosevelt, who took the first foreign trip, with a …

NATO, SCHMATO...Bring on Vlad!

July 12th, 2018

53:01
If, as Sarah Huckabee Sanders alleged, it was a lousy breakfast that had White House Chief of Staff squirm while President Donald Trump kicked off the NATO Summit with an attack on Germany, then someone needs to get a …

Giant Inflatable Baby Trumps for Everybody!!

July 10th, 2018

49:37
With America's foreign policy savant, our president leaving the country this week it's easy to understand the fireworks and celebrations last week. …

Have a Drink. Now Have Another. Now Let's Consider the World After More Years of Trump.

July 5th, 2018

41:23
The GOP could win in November and maintain its hold on both houses of Congress. Which Donald Trump would find encouraging. And might lead him to be …

Happy 50th Birthday NPT, You Look Like Crap.

July 2nd, 2018

48:50
50 years ago the multilateral agreement that kept us all from blowing ourselves to smithereens was signed. And look, we're not smithereens, so …

Why is Big Brother Smiling?

June 28th, 2018

47:10
At the end of the Cold War, the West triumphantly crowed that it was our open societies and the information revolution that ultimately defeated the …

The Perfect Weapon

June 26th, 2018

49:15
On this special episode of Deep State Radio we get a sneak peak at the latest work of our own David Sanger (who we share with the New York Times and …

If It's Not Treason Then What Is It?

June 21st, 2018

45:53
As Deep State Radio's resident Constitutional scholar (and Associate Dean of Georgetown Law School) Rosa Brooks explains, the legal threshold for …

Fascist, Neo-Fascist, or Quasi-Fascist: What's the Polite Way to Refer to America's President?

June 19th, 2018

40:15
Deep State Radio's own Kori Schake wrote an important piece about the current threat to the international order posed by the Trump Administration. In this episode we discuss the article and just exactly how grievous …

IF YOUR HAIR IS NOT ON FIRE, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION

June 14th, 2018

41:47
The president salutes a North Korean general while praising that countries murderous leader. Babies are torn from their mother's breasts by our …

Is America No Longer the Good Guy?

June 12th, 2018

48:29
The U.S. has done plenty wrong in its history. There are millions around the world that have been victims of flaws in U.S. foreign policy. But …

An Idiot, A Russian Spy and a Racist Walk Into a Bar...

June 7th, 2018

47:14
The recent round of primary elections in the US don't seem to show a groundswell of public indignation over the fact that the president of the United …

Episode 100!!!: Welcome to the Pax Trumpiana--How's That Working for You?

June 5th, 2018

59:26
On this, the historic, 100th episode of Deep State Radio (once called by Bridget Jones "the world's most important podcast") our usual band of troublemakers discuss just how much worse off the world is 100 podcasts …

How Do You Milk a Cockroach?

May 31st, 2018

40:32
Yes, this episode is about the rise of China and America's woeful unpreparedness for this epoch making event. But when guest Anna Fifield, Tokyo …

On Again, Off Again, On Again!--The Course of Nuke Love Never Did Run Smooth

May 29th, 2018

42:33
Their courtship will go down in history with those of Romeo & Juliet, Tristan & Isolde, and Goldman and Sachs. Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un …

Why is a Hippo the Emotional Support Animal We All Need

May 24th, 2018

37:02
The president's wife carries industrial strength disinfecting wipes wherever she goes because her man is a germaphobe. But when it comes to the …

Unicorns, Rainbows...and Mushroom Clouds: Team Trump's Foreign Policy Wish List

May 22nd, 2018

39:24
One thing about the tough guys in the Trump Administration, when it comes to foreign policy they sure do have colorful fantasies. Mike Pompeo's wish …

Why Does a Tour of the Horizon These Days Feel So Much Like We're Circling a Drain?

May 17th, 2018

49:04
So much for the Nobel Peace Prize. So much for the celebration in Jerusalem. So much for teaching those Iranians a lesson. So much for witch hunts. So much for so much that our heads are spinning...much like this …

Donald Trump Doubles Down on Foreign Policy: What Could Go Wrong?

May 15th, 2018

45:55
With boatloads of trouble at home and a Congress unlikely to actually do anything between now and the election, Donald Trump needs to come up with some way to distract from the Mueller investigation and his deepening …

True Dat: In the Post-Truth World of Trump the Best Liar Seems Like the Most Honest Man

May 10th, 2018

40:32
The president lies. He lies all the time. He can't help but lie. That's why his lawyers consider any move by Robert Mueller to be a perjury trap for Trump. Because any question Mueller and his team will ask is …

If Only We Can Guess the Name, Maybe We Can Break the Spell: Is it...Trumplestiltskin?

May 7th, 2018

42:58
It's a mad whirl these days with more mad than whirl going on. This week alone offers everything from the Iran deal (the one new NRA president Ollie North did back in the day) to the Iran deal (the one Donald Trump …

ACRONYMGASM: DOTMLPF-P, JCPOA, NPT PREPCOMS, MILFS, LBJ, IRT, THE YOUTH OF AMERICA ON L-S-D

May 3rd, 2018

46:04
How are we supposed to concentrate on nuclear weapons dramas in the Middle East and the Koreas, new U.S. special forces deployments, Bibi Netanyahu doing his best Gallagher prop-comedy impression and all the other …

There is a Game of 3D Chess Going On--The Question is Can Any World Leaders Actually Play?

May 1st, 2018

54:42
Move are afoot--everywhere. In the Koreas, North and South are posturing pre-negotiations while back in the U.S. the president is writing his Nobel Prize acceptance speech. In the Middle East, Israel is working with …

A EURONERD FEAST

April 26th, 2018

48:49
Not since Chevy Chase's European Vacation has an American brought so much mayhem to U.S. Trans-Atlantic Relations. Perhaps new Secretary of State Mike Pompeo can start to make amends on his first trip as America's …

He's a Nixer, Not a Fixer

April 24th, 2018

51:11
With John Bolton loose in the West Wing, what will happen to US foreign policy? Deep State Radio's Rosa Brooks hosts in David Rothkopf's absence, …

The "Stormy" Kim Illusion

April 19th, 2018

46:41
When Donald Trump thinks about Kim Jong Un he sees Stormy Daniels. At least he sees what he saw that night long ago with Ms. Daniels, which is something that he wanted very very much, that he needed to the exclusion of …

Trump's Got 99 Problems But Too Much Respect for the Law Ain't One of Them...

April 17th, 2018

49:54
The Syria strike was likely highly ineffective due to the fact that it was limited in impact, came without a long-term strategy or much likelihood of …

A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Small Hands

April 13th, 2018

47:01
Every day in Trumpassic Era seems like a million years in geological time. Sex scandals, echoes of old pee tapes, pending missile strikes in search …

The Steering Wheel Doesn’t Connect to the Engine

April 10th, 2018

52:02
John Bolton’s first day as National Security Advisor presents him with the kind of opportunities he has waited his entire life for—a choice between …

The World After Trump

April 5th, 2018

41:47
The day after Trump leaves office some things will change immediately (like a terrible management style or diplomacy via Twitter or bad relations with Mexico) and some things will take years to fix (like the …

Vladimir Putin, You Win a Brand New Car!

April 3rd, 2018

44:40
Perhaps its his fear of an impending Oprah candidacy but Donald Trump seems to be embracing her tactic of great generosity to her audience. In his case, it is of course, the audience of one he covets most...the one in …

The Acela of Evil: The Train to Denuclearization of the Koreas Runs Through Beijing, Apparently

March 29th, 2018

54:21
It looks like the Trump-Kim Summit is a thing. A real thing. That’ll likely happen this Spring. At least, all indicators were pointing in that …

Special Emergency DSR: John Bolton Becomes National Security Advisor

March 25th, 2018

55:20
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!David Sanger of the New York …

Why Vladimir Putin is the Hottest Politician in the World Right Now

March 22nd, 2018

38:17
He doesn't love democracy. He is aging. He, frankly, doesn't run with a very nice crowd. Oh, and there are all those invasions and murders and all that spying and so on. But Vladimir Putin has now won four elections …

What's Worse Than a Constitutional Crisis?

March 20th, 2018

52:01
A recent article in the Atlantic echoed a discussion we had not too long on Deep State Radio about whether or not we are in a "constitutional crisis." The conclusion was we face "rot" not a crisis right now. But is …

Does Objective Truth Still Exist...and if it Does Can the G.O.P Survive?

March 15th, 2018

42:56
With so much focus on scandal, corruption, nuclear war, racism, isolationism, protectionism, and nationalism in the era of Trump, we sometimes lose …

Special Emergency Edition: Rex Was a Craptastic Secretary of State & We'll Miss Him

March 14th, 2018

58:42
Every feel like you're living inside a washing machine in the middle of the spin cycle? We hope it's not because you have a Tide pod in your mouth. Instead, if you're like the typical Deep State Radio listener its …

In Improv (and Nuclear Negotiations), the Secret is to Always Say "Yes"

March 13th, 2018

48:39
It's an old rule of improv comedy that you have to play along with the premise you are presented with. It's a rule apparently that the old show biz …

That'll Be Spaghetti Putin-esca From Now On...

March 8th, 2018

41:41
Russia scored its biggest recent victory in its on-going war against western democracies with the victories of the right wing in the recent Italian election. It ranks right behind the Trump victory and the Brexit vote. …

An Embarrassment of Embarrassments

March 6th, 2018

39:07
What's more screwed up in the White House--personnel or policy? There's virtually no senior advisor to the President who hasn't left or been rumored …

The Road Not Taken

March 1st, 2018

37:22
Max Boot's great new book "The Road Not Taken" about American intelligence officer Edward Lansdale not only offers great insights into an intriguing character and a pivotal moment in American and modern world history, …

This Country Was Built on Laundered Money

February 27th, 2018

42:33
It is impossible to prove that Trump role model Tony Montana was actually speaking about former Trump Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort when he said, …

A Crisis of Character

February 22nd, 2018

44:41
America's problems extend far beyond Russiagate. In fact, they extend far beyond porn stars and having half the cabinet under investigation, failures in Puerto Rico and near nuclear war with North Korea. They include …

You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet!

February 20th, 2018

42:00
The Mueller indictment charging 13 Russians for their efforts to illegally influence America's 2016 presidential election rocked Washington and sent shockwaves worldwide. The President of the U.S. tried to frame it as …

Olympic Update: What’s More Boring—Curling or Mike Pence?

February 15th, 2018

46:15
America has an unrealistic Korea policy (denuclearization) that it is not really pursuing that hard (what with not having an ambassador to South …

No Kittens Were Harmed In the Making of this Episode

February 13th, 2018

48:22
We’ve had nuclear weapons for more than 70 years. But we have never had a president quite as deranged as Donald Trump before and the result has made …

Olympic Torches are Fine As Long as You Keep Them Away from Fuses

February 8th, 2018

41:26
The Olympics in Korea have prompted a temporary thaw in North-South relations on the Korean peninsula and plenty of political theater including some …

Devin Nunes is the Head of an Intelligence Committee. Isn't That Something?

February 6th, 2018

42:01
There's intelligence and then there's basic common sense. Much of the discussion about the recent memo the House released has been lacking in both. Fortunately, however, our experts at Deep State Radio, Georgetown …

And the Winner of Deep State Radio’s Dunce Cap of Ignominy is…

February 1st, 2018

44:28
There were so many candidates. And Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of IISS and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University are keenly aware of some of the biggest dopes on the international stage. But in this …

The Doomsday Clock has Been Moved to 2 Minutes Closer to Trumpocalypse

January 30th, 2018

46:14
Calm down. We don’t mean “Trumpocalypse” as in the end of the world. We mean it in the sense of the end of the Trump presidency. Who knows, with …

Armageddon One of Those Silos Just As Soon As I Can

January 25th, 2018

42:17
Contrary to what those outside the Deep State may think, the U.S. government has recently undergone an explosion of creativity. Recently we have seen a National Security Strategy, a National Defense Strategy and a …

The End of America, The Gaggingly Hubristic?

January 23rd, 2018

50:28
Do you ever get the impression people are laughing at you, America? More so recently? It could just be your imaginations. But in the view of our …

Rosa's Magical Global Hypocrisy Tour

January 18th, 2018

43:46
Among other things, our amazing Rosa Brooks is part of an elite team of hypocrisy specialists who travel the globe in search of hypocrites in government. Recently, she and her fellow hypocrinauts visited Turkey where …

Nukes in Paradise and Shitholes as Far as the Eye Can See

January 16th, 2018

44:28
While the people of Hawaii were terrified by an errant alert indicating an incoming ballistic missile attack, the rest of the country remained …

Who are you going to believe, the CIA or David Sanger?

January 11th, 2018

54:07
Mike Pompeo, Director of the CIA and yet oddly, a former Congressman who still seems to be running for something, threw down the gauntlet to the true Deep State when he said that New York Times reporter and Deep State …

THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE

January 9th, 2018

48:22
Late at night in the office of Chief of Staff John Kelly. The phone rings. He picks it up and hears heavy breathing. Then a raspy voice…could it …

It is Difficult to Make Predictions, Especially About the Future

January 4th, 2018

39:44
Contrary to popular belief, according to quoteinvestigator.com, Sam Goldwyn did not utter the immortal line that is the title of this episode. Nor …

What the F%#k Just Happened: Our Look Back at 2017

January 2nd, 2018

53:40
Is it over yet? Can we come out of our basements now? Is the worst year ever over? Well...yes and no. Yes, dear Deep State Radio nerds, you can come out of your basements. It is 2018. But no, the worst may not be …

What Does Putin Most Desire?

December 21st, 2017

44:26
In David Rothkopf’s absence this week, Rosa Brooks hosts and reminds listeners that the Deep State Radio crew will soon be retreating into the bunker …

We Sink Into Irrelevance

December 19th, 2017

43:19
With David Rothkopf away circling the globe this week on the Deep State Radio spy plane, Rosa Brooks and Kori Schake are joined by the Atlantic’s …

Blame the Nerds

December 14th, 2017

36:38
It's easy to blame the pols. For the pols its easy to blame one another. (Or if you are Roy Moore, who used to be a Senate candidate in the U.S., …

Feelin' Schadenfreudy

December 12th, 2017

38:57
Was the Jerusalem deal a complete scam? Has it torpedoed US influence on the peace process? Was it not even the most important Mideast news of the past few days? Was that really Vladimir Putin's Victory Lap around the …

Slouching Past Jerusalem

December 8th, 2017

49:57
In a week marked by a "stunning" announcement about U.S policy toward Jerusalem and more Russia revelations, is the biggest shock of all is that …

Dumber by Design

December 5th, 2017

50:05
As panelist Kori Schake recounts, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers once noted that if you staff an administration exclusively with "C" people you will get a "D" staff. He never contemplated the situation we find …

Deep State Radio's 50th Podcast Special

November 30th, 2017

50:23
You would think that Deep State Radio would have a special celebration for our 50th podcast. You probably imagined a giant blow out in silo …

The Void: What is the Opposite of Foreign Policy?

November 28th, 2017

42:27
In Sochi, Russia, Iran and Turkey got together to divvy up parts of the Middle East. It was eerily similar to a meeting 780 miles and 72 years earlier...in Yalta, where the allied powers met to discuss the face of …

A Very Deep State Thanksgiving

November 22nd, 2017

44:25
What are Deep State Radio nerds thankful for this Thanksgiving? We poll our experts and we get just the responses you would expect. One said he is …

Should We Hack? Does Democracy Have a Future in the Cyber Era?

November 21st, 2017

43:52
You may think election meddling is as Russian as borscht but it is also as American as apple pie. We have been doing it for years. The question is …

Who Needs a State Department Anyway?

November 16th, 2017

39:22
With Trump just back from an Asia trip that ran the gamut of outcomes from negligible to awful, the question turns again to what's going on with U.S. …

Trump in Asia: He Didn't Start a Nuclear War! Yay.

November 14th, 2017

48:10
The President is returning from Asia. He says it was the greatest trip there since Marco Polo. His defenders note that he didn't start screwing up …

It's a Mobbed-Up World

November 9th, 2017

48:01
Robert Mueller is approaching the Trump investigation as one would approach the wrong-doing of a crime family. And why not? Money-laundering, lying …

Team of Dupes?

November 7th, 2017

43:57
In honor of Trump's visit to Asia, the Deep State Radio gang take a look at the problems that are haunting him back home. Susan Hennessey of Lawfare, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown and Ed Luce of the Financial Times join …

Trump Will Probably Not Defect to North Korea on His Asia Trip!

November 2nd, 2017

41:18
President Trump embarks on a 12 day, five nation trip to Asia at a moment he has never been weaker...and when the stakes are very high. With a perilous situation in North Korea, simmering trade disputes and a newly …

Special Episode: The Beginning of the End for Donald Trump

October 30th, 2017

42:44
9 months into his administration, Donald Trump has entered a political crisis unlike any other. With the indictments of his campaign chairman and …

100% Guaranteed No Trump Episode

October 26th, 2017

36:58
It seems impossible, but on this episode of Deep State Radio, our indomitable team of Kori Schake of Stanford, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and host, David Rothkopf, of the nearest pizzeria, …

A Gold Star for Hypocrisy

October 24th, 2017

44:05
The current political dust-up over the President's mishandling of expressing his sympathies (or his interpretation of what sympathies would be like …

The Birth of Strategic Muddling Through

October 19th, 2017

35:39
In this episode of Deep State Radio, a discussion about the state of the rudderless, visionless Middle East (and America's rudderless, visionless …

The Nullification Crisis of 2017: Present at the Destruction

October 17th, 2017

44:17
Is the president leading a nullification of the power of the federal government from within--appointing enemies of departments to head departments …

The Art of Undoing America's Deals

October 12th, 2017

38:19
In a recent interview with Forbes, President Trump said he didn't feel any obligation to honor deals struck by representatives of the United States during past administrations. His track record shows this is one area …

Is the Establishment Taking it Too Easy on the Donald?

October 10th, 2017

42:12
How did we get here? How did we get to the Secretary of State calling the president a moron and the Republican Head of the Senate Foreign Relations …

Can't Afford a Manafort?

October 5th, 2017

43:38
n this episode of Deep State Radio guests Susan Glasser of Politico, Laura Rosenberger of the German Marshall Fund and regulars Kori Schake of …

Madman Gambit or Madman Diagnosis?

October 3rd, 2017

46:46
Is the president playing three-dimensional chess with the world by constantly offering different policies with different tone and apparently …

Why Can't the Kurds Catch a Break?

September 28th, 2017

46:09
In this episode of Deep State Radio we journey from Kurdistan to the ski slopes of Afghanistan, from senior proms in Kabul to Iraq, from Catalonia to …

The Only Discussion of the North Korea Situation You'll Ever Need

September 26th, 2017

50:53
We could say a lot about this episode of Deep State Radio but there is really nothing more that needs to be said beyond the fact that this discussion …

Let's Have a Parade With Really Big Missiles!

September 21st, 2017

47:35
Trump's unguided missile of a UN speech was not the only thing flying around the Deep State this week. On this episode of Deep State Radio, the heart of our line up, Kori Schake of Stanford University, Rosa. Brooks of …

Will Donald Trump Despoil the UNGA Punchbowl?

September 19th, 2017

45:35
It's UNGA week, the big party for the world's leaders as they come to NYC for the opening of the UN General Assembly. Of course, this year is marked by the fact that it's Donald Trump's first UNGA as president of the …

NORK, NORK. WHO'S THERE?

September 13th, 2017

47:12
It's the one question everyone in the world has on their minds--other than will Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson really run for president in 2020. And that is where will Johnson's predecessor as commander-in-chief, Donald …

9/11 Sixteen Years Later: Would Bin Laden View Trump as a Sign of His Mission's Success

September 12th, 2017

42:28
Donald and Melania Trump presided over 9/11 remembrance ceremonies on Monday for the first time as president. Trump seemed awkward and his language was stilted. He does not do compassion well. But Trump is not so far …

Intermestic? Domenational? How Trump’s problems at home translate into a global mess.

September 7th, 2017

46:20
Donald Trump ends the DACA program. He tacitly supports white supremacists. He goes after Muslims. He wants a wall. He attacks the courts. He can’t get anything done but can’t stop talking about it. He’s a mess. But …

North Korea: What’s on the Other Side of the Twitter Redline?

September 6th, 2017

41:33
Donald Trump has taken establishing foolish redlines into the 21st Century with the use of social media. In the case of North Korea, he is …

Making Afghanistan Safe for Mini-skirts

August 24th, 2017

42:00
President Trump has a new Afghanistan strategy, just like the old Afghanistan strategy. Are we starting our seventeenth one-year war in Afghanistan, …

Can Trump Be President After Charlottesville?

August 22nd, 2017

40:46
Trump's racism and affinity for the worst sorts of right wing extremists poured forth defiantly in the wake of the unrest in Charlottesville. The …

A Nuke in Every Pot

August 17th, 2017

39:36
While you were busy fretting about Nazis and the sudden implosion of Donald J. Trump, the Deep State Radio team maintained its steady focus on nuclear apocalypse. With David still away in an undisclosed location, Rosa, …

This Week In Apocalypse: Nazis, The KKK, and Nuclear War!

August 15th, 2017

43:24
It’s been a validating week for apocalypse watchers. On this episode of Deep State Radio, David hides in his hardened bunker while Rosa, Kori and …

Head for Your Silos

August 10th, 2017

47:46
In the latest episode of Deep State Radio Julia Ioffe of the Atlantic, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University and host David Rothkopf take a look at …

The Many Meanings of Putin's Torso

August 8th, 2017

41:20
What is the geopolitical significance of Putin's torso? What do his exposed nipples say about Russia and its people. Why is it absolutely vital …

The Great Thucydides Cage Match

August 3rd, 2017

44:50
We present you, our beloved Deep State nerds, with the face-off you've been anticipating all summer. Our expert team breaks down rising powers, …

What Happens After Scaramooch Fandangos?

August 1st, 2017

44:44
Clearly the world has gone, in the words of one Deep State Radio listener nerd, "nuclear grade bonkers." On this episode of the pod, Rosa Brooks, …

The Cost of Trump’s Mixed Messages

July 27th, 2017

42:18
This week, Ben Wittes of Brookings and Lawfare and David Sanger of the New York Times chat with David Rothkopf about the global consequences of domestic scandals. The President continues to argue that Russia didn’t …

In Search of Something Nice to Say About Jared

July 25th, 2017

49:08
Jared Kushner took centerstage in the America's favorite circus as the week began and in this episode of Deep State Radio, our excellent guest, Lawfare editor Ben Wittes, joins David Sanger of the New York Times and …

Hobbesian Barrel Roll Over Continues.

July 20th, 2017

46:11
If we didn't have Trump we would have to go back to watching "House of Cards" and "Scandal" for completely implausible, mind-boggling dramas about …

The Philosophical Origins of Trumpism

July 18th, 2017

41:37
Is Trumpism a philosophy? Does it have any hint of a philosophy within it? Is there any philosopher that ever existed that would embrace Trump? …

Fredo or Uday: Which One Does Donald Trump, Jr. Resemble and Why We Should Care

July 13th, 2017

49:33
On this episode of Deep State Radio, Lawfare managing editor Susan Hennessey, Georgetown Law School Associate Dean Rosa Brooks and perennially …

DSR Emergency Fantasy Felony League Edition: Putin's Unicycle

July 12th, 2017

56:19
If you were playing in the Trump Division of a Fantasy Felony League, who would you pick in the draft to accumulate the most points for subpoenas, …

Was Trump's Europe Trip a Fiasco? Let Us Count the Ways!

July 11th, 2017

57:34
Rotten Tomatoes gives "National Lampoon's European Vacation" a score of 39 percent. But if they had rated "Donald Trump's European Vacation" the …

With Elites Like These No Wonder We Need the Deep State

July 6th, 2017

31:41
On this second episode of Deep State Radio recorded in the sylvan beauty of Aspen, Colorado during the Ideas Festival, our regulars including Kori …

Report from Aspen: Is it Really "Immaterial" that the President is Unfit to Serve?

July 4th, 2017

37:13
In this report from the Aspen Ideas festival and other undisclosed but nonetheless elitist locations, the Deep State Radio gang--including Ed Luce and David Rothkopf in Aspen, David Sanger in Vermont and Kori Schake …

What Poses a Greater Threat to America, Terrorists or the GOP Health Care Bill?

June 29th, 2017

49:13
Generals understand it. America’s health is related the country’s military readiness. That’s why they’ve produced reports like, “Too Fat to Fight” points out Georgetown’s Rosa Brooks on this episode. She and Kori Schake …

Why Does All This Winning Feel So Much Like Losing?

June 27th, 2017

43:06
America’s last three presidents couldn’t have been more different and yet they all contributed to declining U.S. international influence in real …

16 Years Down, 50 to Go: An Update on the Changing Nature of the War on Terror

June 22nd, 2017

43:38
Do low tech attacks on soft targets suggest a change in the nature of both the war on terror and how our societies express their political …

What is “Crift” and Why Should It Worry You?

June 20th, 2017

47:24
On this episode of Deep State Radio, our regulars Kori Schake of Stanford, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown and host David Rothkopf are joined by former top …

It's the End of the Pax Americana, Y'all...Is It Time to Let Someone Else Drive the Global System?

June 15th, 2017

50:32
In this episode of Deep State Radio our special guest Edward Luce of the Financial Times joins Georgetown's Rosa Brooks, Stanford's Kori Schake and the New York Times' David Sanger to discuss what's gone wrong in …

That's Not His Hair: There's a Cloud Over Trump and It's Not Going Away

June 13th, 2017

47:50
There's lots we don't know about how things are going to shake out in the small constellation of scandals that surround America's president. But there is one thing that's clear. The cloud Donald Trump wanted James …

Imagining Trump's First Crisis

June 8th, 2017

36:46
America's Twitter-bomber-in-chief has caused plenty of mayhem during his wild ride through the first half year in the presidency, but he hasn't really been tested by a crisis. On this episode, guests Rosa Brooks, Kori …

Anyone Got a Good Used Missle Silo?

June 6th, 2017

41:59
On this pilot episode of the Deep State Radio podcast (secretly taped in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark), guests Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of Stanford and David Sanger of the New …
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