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Christian Woman Leadership Podcast

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It's time for you to embrace your God-given gifts, skills, and passions and lead with confidence. Host Esther Littlefield is a pastor's wife and business owner, and she is joined by co-host Holly Cain. They discuss issues related to leading as a Christian woman, and they also interview other women w… read more


60: Glass Ceilings, Sticky Floors, and How to Be Effective as Women in Leadership with Kadi Cole [Faith Series]

How can the church develop female leaders? How can male pastors support women in ministry? What are the main challenges women leaders face in ministry? And how should you handle an insecure leader?

In this episode of our Faith Series, Holly and I speak with female leader, consultant, entrepreneur, and author Kadi Cole about women in leadership. Regardless of where you stand theologically on the idea of women in leadership within the church, this is a must-listen episode for those curious about how women can grow God’s kingdom in a biblical way. 

We talk through how to understand where your church stands on the issue of female leadership, what to do when you don’t agree with its stance, and why this issue is coming to the forefront now. 


Kadi’s Leadership Journey

Kadi grew up as a “lazy kid,” watching TV and drinking Diet Coke with no involvement in school. However, as a teen, God got a hold of her heart. She discovered her “leadership legs” while in high school.  Kadi pursued nursing in college and grew as a leader in this field. She later ended up working in leadership roles at a university and later in churches.

One challenge she’s overcome in leadership is shifting her mindset from seeing the potential in people to actually knowing who is  worth investing in. Not everyone takes advantage of opportunities, is teachable, or obeys God. She spent her first 5 to 10 years confused why some people were great to lead while others were difficult.

She’s found connecting the dots between her effort and the impact on someone’s life to be rewarding.

Developing Women Leaders

Kadi recently wrote the book “Developing Female Leaders”. Initially, she wasn’t sure if women in leadership was a “hill she wanted to die on,” primarily because she didn’t have a lot of clarity in her own life. She just wanted to serve the church with excellence in her giftedness.


Then she had three experiences with male senior or executive pastors who asked for advice on how to help female leaders on their teams. As she coached pastors, she realized there were phrases and opportunities that weren’t received by the women leaders in the way the male leaders intended. She realized that there was an awareness of and movement toward women in leadership.


The Main Challenges Women Face When Serving in Churches

The challenges fall into two main buckets:

  1. The “Stained Glass Ceiling,” which are things in the system, culture, or mindset that aren’t in our control because we’re not in charge, e.g. equal titles, equal pay, funding for certain ministries.
  2. The “Sticky Floor,” which are beliefs we’ve adopted over time that hold us back, e.g. gender biases passed down from our family of origin, theology taught by our denomination. We question ourselves because we lack our own clarity. We have to own our sticky issues.


How Views of Women in Leadership Have Changed Over Time

We’re in the midst of a cultural shift. We have Boomer and Gen X male leaders with wives and daughters who are well-trained and well-educated who want a seat at the leadership table. 


We need to have hard conversations about what we believe and what beliefs we’ve inherited.


How to Determine Where Your Church Stands Theologically

Grab your free download of the “Theological Cheat Sheet,” which will give you language to have a logical conversation with church leadership. When you want change, “you have to come at it with a combination of honest advocacy and authentic humility.”


Then go to your leader and ask with kindness and patience about the theological beliefs of your church. Give grace to that leader that you may have caught them off guard with your question. 


We don’t have to agree, but we do need to understand. 


What To Do if You Don’t Agree with Your Church’s Stance on Women in Leadership

First, make sure you’ve done your own work with Lord. Do you know what He says for your life? Give yourself the freedom to change over time.


Then be very clear on where the church stands theologically and where the culture is practically.


If you disagree with the theology, you do need to leave the church unless you can set aside your beliefs for the sake of the kingdom because you’ve been called to that church.


If you agree with the theology, but disagree with the culture, this is the place to lead change. Step into what God’s given you. Show up.


Why This Issue Is Coming Up Now

Movements start with godly people stepping up and speaking out against cultural norms that are harmful. Currently, there’s not an integrity between what we believe and how we behave.


We have to get on the front end of this. The church needs to be the most integrated place.


How Women Can Handle Insecure Leaders

Know where your calling is, and be confident and secure in your job regardless of circumstances.


When Kadi has served under insecure leaders, she’s shrunk below their level of insecurity. Her new goal is to be both honest and honoring.

Out of love, be respectful and honoring while being honest about what you bring to the table.


How You Can Tackle the Topic of Women in Leadership with Women who Disagree With You

Godly people will defend God’s truth. The challenge is that we disagree about what God’s Word says. Women are for God’s Word first so listen. Be curious. Don’t make assumptions.

Not only do we disagree theologically, some women have been brought up differently about women in leadership. When they see younger women in leadership, they may feel as if everything they’ve been told and their foundational faith have shifted. There’s a clash between theology, generational norms, culture, and our own calling.



Connect with Kadi Cole:


Free Download: Theological Cheat Sheet



Ministry Chick Facebook Group


Kadi Cole has spent the last twenty-five years studying leadership and organizational development, most recently serving as an Executive Director at one of America's largest and fastest growing multi-site churches. She is passionate about helping local churches thrive and equipping leaders to fulfill their calling.

Kadi is a true visionary, ahead of her time in teaching churches to harness the God-given talents in their congregations. While we are all called to serve, Kadi helps men and women navigate the unique challenges that may arise in pursuit of that call together.

Kadi is an engaging, practical, and down-to-earth speaker and writer on a variety of topics related to leadership, organizational development, spiritual growth, parenting, and living a full life.



Key Quotes from the Episode:

 “It’s not about their potential … it’s about their willingness to follow through on the potential given to them.”

“The goal of leadership is to make people better through the art of work.” 

“None of us is doing a great job fully living up to what we believe women can contribute in the kingdom.”

“As female leaders, one of our biggest responsibilities is to have clarity on what actual issues we’re battling.”

“It doesn’t really matter your theology; it’s about your mentality of how can I release the gifts of the women God has brought to my congregation.”

“We have to make space for one another as brothers and sisters to go into hard topics with some grace, patience, and love for one another to get to a place of common understanding.”

“Having the position is the easy part. Creating change, leading from the middle, doing things that aren’t your direct responsibility or authority--that’s where real leadership comes into play.”

“We have to get better at learning how to connect with people different than us.” 

“It is certainly not my job to maximize insecurities.”

“We have to have confidence enough in our own calling to give freedom and grace for people to answer their own calling.”

“We need to give space in the kingdom for all of us to have a place at the table.”


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