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Taiwan Election Showdown! A Blue Prof and Green Pol Explain

November 30th, 2023


The Taiwanese populace will head to the polls to choose their next president on January 13, 2024 — and the three-party slate is set!

To discuss, we …

How Rep. Gallagher Would Fix Congress and Beat China

November 26th, 2023


This was a good episode. Mike Gallagher, Chair of the Select Committee on China, has some thoughtful thoughts! We get into:

  • How he would fix Congress

Emergency Pod: We Are So Back! OpenAI Drama and US-China

November 23rd, 2023


Rohit Krishnan of Strange Loop Canon and I kibbitz about this weekend's OpenAI drama as well as the safety and US-China regulatory dynamics likely …

Xi-Biden at APEC + What It Takes To Compete

November 21st, 2023


Matt Turpin, China NSC Director in the Trump administration currently at Hoover and Palantir, comes on to discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of …

Peter Harrell on Bureaucratic Barriers to Competition

November 13th, 2023


Peter Harrell, who served as Biden's Senior Director for International Economics and Competitiveness on the NSC and NEC, comes on to discuss:

  • Why …

(fixed audio) RAND CEO Jason Matheny Gives a Masterclass on Risk and Organizational Design

November 9th, 2023


This interview was so good.

Jason Matheny, Biden's former top tech + national security advisor, has recently reached one year as CEO of RAND.

We had a …

London AI Summit + OpenAI Dev Day!

November 9th, 2023


Zvi Mowshowitz of Don't Worry about The Vase and Nathan Labenz of the Cognitive Revolution podcast come on for a quick recap of the past week's AI …

RAND CEO Jason Matheny Gives a Masterclass on Risk and Organizational Design

November 4th, 2023


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Jason Matheny, Biden's former top tech + national security advisor, has recently reached one year as CEO of RAND.

We had a …

Emergency Pod: AI Executive Order!

November 1st, 2023


Biden just dropped a 50 page executive order that's going to make the world safe for AI, hopefully? To discuss the sprawling EO we've brought on …

Can AI Be Governed?

October 27th, 2023


In this episode, Jordan Schneider interviews Markus Anderling and Anton Korinek, two of the coauthors of the paper 'Frontier AI Regulation: Managing …

PLA Purges + Taiwan War Risk

October 25th, 2023


Defense Minister Li Shangfu just got officially purged. To discuss, we brought on Joel Wuthnow, a fellow at NDU. His research areas include Chinese …

Jason Furman on Inflation and Policymaking

October 21st, 2023


Jason Furman was Obama's CEA chair and a Harvard econ professor, while Kyla is the my favorite economics influencer. We get into:

  • What the deal is …

How to Process Violence

October 20th, 2023


Two rabbis on ChinaTalk? What am I even doing?

Zohar Atkins of the wonderful Meditations with Zohar podcast alongside Ari Lamm of Bnai Zion come to …

EMERGENCY POD: Export Controls Dropped!

October 19th, 2023


BIS just released its revision to the Oct 7 2022 restrictions. Jon of Asianometry, Dylan of Semianalysis, and Doug of Fabricated Knowledge join the pod to discuss why NVIDIA got screwed, why ASML may not have, and what …

Cities of Slaughter

October 13th, 2023


Israel is a country dear to my heart and I wanted to provide the ChinaTalk audience with one more perspective on the events of this past weekend …

EMERGENCY POD: Two Views from Israel on Hamas + China-Middle East Relations

October 10th, 2023


We discuss their experience of the past few days, China's response, its broader policy and aspirations in the Middle East, and what comes next.

Our …

Kurt Campbell on Grand Strategy and US-China

October 5th, 2023


Kurt Campbell is the Deputy Assistant to the President and the White House Coordinator for Indo-Pacific Affairs. ChinaTalk recently joined Campbell in Washington to discuss US-China relations and mark the podcast’s …

Deep Tech VC On AI, Chips, and US-China Competition

September 30th, 2023


James Wang, partner at Creative Ventures, joins to discuss:

  • Huawei breakthrough implications and why NVIDIA's CUDA will make it particularly …

Peak China with Noah Smith and Matt Klein

September 22nd, 2023


Noah Smith of and Matt Klein of join ChinaTalk to discuss:

We get into:

  • What's really happening …

EMERGENCY POD: Huawei's Breakthrough, the Technical, Industrial and Strategic Implications

September 13th, 2023


Huawei’s breakthrough Kirin 9000s: what is it, why is it a big deal, and what if anything should the US do about it? Joining me, I have on two …

Why Congress Can Save Us All

September 6th, 2023


This episode of China Talk explores the past, present, and future of Congress with AEI's Philip Wallach. We get into:

  • Origins of representative …

How China Regulates AI

August 29th, 2023


How does the public, corporations, academia and civil society end up directly influencing some of China's most important regulations? What's the …

Culture Month! Painting in Premodern China

August 16th, 2023


Culture month continues with some traditional Chinese painting coverage!

What was it like to paint in premodern China? How did a husband-wife and …

"Emergency" Pod: Outbound Investment Screening!

August 12th, 2023


Emily Benson (CSIS) and Martin Chorzempa (PIIE) come on to discuss the new executive order and Treasury's ANRPM (advanced notice of proposed …

Beyond Decoupling: NATO for Trade

August 7th, 2023


Should democracies band together to protect themselves from Chinese economic coercion? What can deterrence theory teach us about geoeconomic strategy?

Culture Month! Indie Chinese Music Hour with Concrete Avalanche

August 4th, 2023


This August, ChinaTalk is going to take a bit of a break from our usual routine of tech and politics coverage to spend some time with Chinese …

How Can the Pentagon Trust AI?

August 1st, 2023


How is the DoD thinking about deploying AI? What are the challenges and opportunities involved in building out AI assurance?

To discuss, I brought on …


July 26th, 2023


Until yesterday, Qin Gang 秦刚 was serving as China’s Minister of Foreign Affairs. But on Monday, July 24, the National People’s Congress Standing …

Taiwan’s Presidential Elections: A Primer

July 25th, 2023


ChinaTalk welcomes Taiwan expert and Hoover research fellow Kharis Templeman. This episode is all things 2024 Taiwan elections — slated for January 13, 2024.

In addition to his teaching responsibilities, Kharis is the …

Why Chinese EVs Will Take Over the World

July 22nd, 2023


• How did the Chinese EV industry become so dominant?

• What institutional and cultural factors shape China’s auto market?

• What can Western …

AI Beyond OpenAI

July 12th, 2023

  • What companies beyond OpenAI matter to the future of AI?
  • What is the relationship between closed and open source source?
  • When will researchers lose …

Moneyball for Foreign Aid

July 7th, 2023


Foreign aid is dominated by just a few huge players that receive the bulk of grants from the US government. But is bigger better? And are local …

PLA Invasion: Is Taiwan's Military Ready?

July 3rd, 2023


Paul Huang, Taiwan military expert and research fellow at the Taiwan Public Opinion Foundation, returns to ChinaTalk! Today he gives us an update on …

EMERGENCY EDITION: Coup in Russia with Kamil Galeev

June 27th, 2023


What happened over the past few days in Russia? What does this mean for the future of Putin and the war in Ukraine? To discuss, I recorded today a show with Kamil Galeev, a PKU classmate of mine formerly of the Wilson …

Blinken to Beijing!

June 20th, 2023


Blinken went to China to meet with Qin Gang, Wang Yi, and Xi himself!

What happened, why does it matter, and does this make it any less likely we'll …

Chinese TV PilotTalk: Farmers, Murders, and Anime

June 9th, 2023


We're talking Chinese TV this week on ChinaTalk! Hollywood writer Trey Kollmer and ChinaTalk editor Irene Zhang discuss farming reality tv, a dongbei …

NVIDIA and the Future of AI

June 3rd, 2023


Doug O'Laughlin of the Fabricated Knowledge substack and I discuss:

  • NVIDIA's corporate history and how it arrived at such a dominant position today

Flournoy on US-China and DoD Innovation

May 31st, 2023


Michele Flournoy, Under Secretary of Defense for Policy under Obama, CNAS founder, and co-founder of WestExec Advisors, returns to ChinaTalk to …

DoD Tech Strategy: How the Pentagon Hopes to Innovate

May 23rd, 2023


The Pentagon has a new tech strategy! What does it say, what impact will it have, and what do its authors think about technological change and …

AI Implementation: The View From the Trenches

May 18th, 2023


Dan Faggella, who for ten years has interviewed business leaders about the challenges of implementing AI, joins ChinaTalk to discuss about just how …

Jeff Ding on US vs China AI and Lessons from Past Industrial Revolutions

May 11th, 2023


Jeff Ding is the leading US scholar on China and AI and author of one of the earliest China-focused Substacks, ChinAI.

He recently published a fire …

Crafting A National Tech Strategy and Reviving Net Tech Assessment

May 6th, 2023


PJ Maykish, Abigail Kukura, and Will Moreland from the Future Technologies platform team of the Special Competitive Studies Project (SCSP) join the …

Sen. Warner on the RESTRICT Act, AI, Bipartisanship on China and a New Era of Intelligence

May 2nd, 2023


On Monday, May 1, I interviewed Virgina Senator Mark Warner.

We get into the RESTRICT Act, state capacity to analyze emerging technologies, the future …

Hoover, Communism, and the FBI

April 25th, 2023


J. Edgar Hoover was a controversial figure who served as the director of the FBI for nearly five decades. In this episode, we explore his life and legacy with Beverly Gage, a professor of 20th-century U.S. history and …

Schell on The Long Arc of US-China and Long Reach of Leninism

April 14th, 2023


How did Xi Jinping’s formative years influence how he views the world today? Veteran China scholar Orville Schell, the Arthur Ross Director of the …

Roach on US-China Couples Therapy

April 9th, 2023


Stephen Roach is a Yale professor with extensive experience in China. He also taught the first China class I ever took, so it may be fair to say he's partially to blame for the entire ChinaTalk enterprise.

In our …

AI Military Competition: Tactical, Operational, and Strategic Implications

April 2nd, 2023


Paul Scharre, Vice President and Director of Studies at CNAS, joins ChinaTalk to discuss AI, military, strategy, and US-China geopolitics.

Listen in …

What to Do About Foreign Interference

April 2nd, 2023


What actually is foreign influence, and how might Canada handle China’s interference in its domestic affairs? Akshay Singh is a research associate at …

Chips Avengers 2023: Chips Act + AI Revolution

March 28th, 2023


The Chips Avengers assemble once again! Reva Goujon of the Rhodium GroupJP Kleinhans of the European think tank SNVJay Goldberg of Digits and …

TikTok Hearing: The End of an Era

March 24th, 2023


Kevin Xu, Obama-era White House official and creator of comes on ChinaTalk to discuss:

  • Our impressions of the …

Kotkin on China

March 20th, 2023


Stephen Kotkin is a legendary historian, currently at Hoover, previously at Princeton. Best known for his Stalin biographies, his other works include Uncivil Society, Magnetic Mountain, and Armageddon Averted.

Our …

GPT4—AI Unleashed?

March 16th, 2023


How will GPT4 change the world?

What implications does it have for policy, economics, and society?

How will US-China 'racing dynamics' play out and …

The CIA’s China Capabilities

March 13th, 2023


Dennis Wilder returns to ChinaTalk — this time with some broader thoughts on how the US intelligence community can rise to the occasion vis-à-vis …

Economic Warfare: Implications for Sanctions Today

March 8th, 2023


Welcome back to the second part of my conversation with Nick Mulder and Lars Schönander.

Picking the narrative up in 1935, get real in this episode:

Economic Warfare: A History

March 3rd, 2023


Today we’re releasing part one of our a two-part conversation with Nick Mulder, a history professor at Cornell and author of The Economic Weapon: The …

How does AI actually work, anyways?

March 2nd, 2023


Data scientist Bryan Cheong breaks down how AI actually works, creating video using AI and how the technology is being used beyond image and language …

Will Xi Give Putin Arms? Has A Cold War Already Begun?

February 28th, 2023


Today we’re going to do a show about the scariest US-China news story I’ve seen in years, that “The US has intelligence that the Chinese government …

AI's Regulatory Future in the US, China, and EU

February 20th, 2023


With AI on the verge of transforming the world, how are regulators across the globe approaching the challenges the technology might pose?

Also, what …

BalloonTalk: Alien Valentine Edition

February 15th, 2023


William 'Balloon Guy' Kim returns for a roundup of the past few days of news around the Chinese spy balloon and unidentified object shooting. We share our favorite theories of what on earth is going on and what this all …

Mechanical Keyboards in China (中文版)

February 12th, 2023


Hey ChinaTalk listeners, this year we’re going to do something new—occasional episodes in Mandarin!

While getting mainland guests to talk about more …

How YOU Can Change S&T Policy

February 10th, 2023


How does one organization turn expert knowledge into real policy change? Dan Correa, CEO of the Federation of American Scientists and Founder of the

Tech Policy Entrepreneurship + Chips Act + Talent Policy

February 8th, 2023


What do we talk about when we talk about tech policy? What are the weird corners of the chips and science bill? How is talent policy broken and what …


February 3rd, 2023


Chinese balloons over Wyoming!! To discuss, we have on today William 'Balloon Guy' Kim of the Marathon Initiative, Eric Lofgren of AcquisitionTalk, and Gerard Dipippo of CSIS.

Intro Music: Up Up and Away, The 5th Fifth …

AI Compute 101: The Geopolitics of Giant Models

February 3rd, 2023


Love it or hate it, AI capabilities continue to advance. As futurists imagine how this technology may one day be used, how it develops and who will …

War in Taiwan: Who Would Win?

January 29th, 2023


China v Taiwan: who would win? Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow and director of research at Brookings. He specializes in U.S. defense strategy, the …

China's Data Policy Future

January 25th, 2023


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How do Chinese cyber laws and regulations …

War for Taiwan: What Happens If China Wins?

January 23rd, 2023


Say China wins a war for Taiwan. What happens next?

To discuss the political and economic consequences of a PRC takeover of Taiwan, I have on today …

Rep. Ro Khanna on AI, the China Committee, and Industrial Policy

January 19th, 2023


In 2023, ChinaTalk is going to Congress! First up in our series is Rep. Ro Khanna, Democrat who represents Silicon Valley.

We get into:

  • What he hopes …

Chips Act: A How To Guide

January 17th, 2023


What can $52bn for semiconductors actually accomplish? To discuss the tensions and tradeoffs underlying the decisions that the US government is about to make on how to spend this money, I have on today Jacob Feldgoise, …

Knowledge and AI with a Rabbi and Substacker

January 13th, 2023


As AI becomes increasingly sophisticated, we consider the question of whether there are limits to what computers can know and how this compares to human understanding.

Joining me on this episode is Sam Hammond, the …

Tyler Cowen on AI and China

January 9th, 2023


Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution makes his ChinaTalk debut!

We get into:

  • How AI is going to change art, education, politics and human relationships

Year in Review!

January 6th, 2023


Before we get back to the interviews, I read from the newsletter I run which you should subscribe to at

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Chips: 2022 in Review

December 16th, 2022


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Doug O'Laughlin of Fabricated Knowledge and Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis go through our most …

Nuclear Fusion: Why We Can't Have Nice Things

December 14th, 2022


Today US Department of Energy Secretary Granholm announced a nuclear fusion breakthrough at Livermore Labs. However, this doesn’t necessarily mean …

Semis 101 with Asianometry and Fabricated Knowledge

December 8th, 2022


How do you get into chips? Doug O'Laughlin of Fabricated Knowledge and Jon Y of Asianometry run us through how to they came to

We also discuss

  • Why …

EMERGENCY POD: How will the CCP respond to the protests?

November 29th, 2022


Ling Li, lecturer at the University of Vienna, comes on the pod to discuss:

  • The origins and evolution of Covid Zero
  • Different paths the CCP could …

EMERGENCY POD: China's Protests: What Happens Next

November 28th, 2022


I talk about where I think these protests are heading and what they mean for Covid Zero and the international situation.

First voice memo is from @wstv_lizzi and the second is from @lichtspektrum.

The outtro singing is …

Can the US and China work together on anything?

November 15th, 2022


Can the US and China play nicely enough with each other to not ruin the planet in the coming century? In particular, what prospects are there for …

Export controls for AI: Will they work?

November 8th, 2022


Do export controls work? And will they work for AI? Meet Emily Weinstein and Tim Hwang. They're research fellows at Georgetown's Center for Security …

US-China Chip War

October 27th, 2022


What will the Biden administration's new export controls mean for the US and Chinese semiconductor industries as well as the future of the US-China …

How AI is Unlocking Creativity

October 25th, 2022


The AI revolution in art is coming, not in decades but months and years. What does this mean for creativity and how will it change the way artists …

Life in Mao's China

October 22nd, 2022


What was life actually like for people in rural China over the last seventy years?

Brew up a nice cup of tea and find a comfy armchair, it's time for another special edition of ChinaTalk. In this episode, Stanford …

Kamil on Nukes and Civil War in Russia

October 13th, 2022


Kamil Galeev comes on the show to talk about the current situation in the war in Ukraine and what it means for:

  • prospects of nuclear war
  • Elite …

EMERGENCY PODCAST: New Tech Export Controls with Kevin Wolf

October 9th, 2022


The US Commerce Department just dropped 100+ pages of new export control regulations that have the potential to reshape the future of the global …

China + AI = Military advantage?

September 22nd, 2022


How advanced is China's AI ecosystem and how much of it has military applicability? For a Department of Defense perspective, former DOD staffer and …

Why won't China get vaccinated?

September 15th, 2022


Why aren't elderly people in China getting vaccinated? To talk all things vaccine from the early days of the PRC to Covid-19, this episode's guest is Cambridge University associate professor in global studies of …

Paul Kennedy's Jonathan Spence Memories

September 8th, 2022


Prepare a nice cup of tea and put your feet up for a special episode of stories and anecdotes about the late American historian and Sinologist …

AI and the Future of War

September 4th, 2022


AI safety is having a moment. To discuss why AI safety matters for national security, today I have on Paul Scharre (@Paul_scharre). He’s the Vice …

Industrial Policy for Biotech?

August 28th, 2022


Does America need an industrial policy to compete in biotech?

Today I'm joined by two guests, Ryan Fedasiuk (@RyanFedasiuk) and Gigi Gronvall (

Moneyball and US State Department

August 22nd, 2022


Wouldn't it be nice to have a world where important policy decisions were decided based on evidence and data rather than narratives and turf battles? …

The Science of the "Chips + Science Bill"

August 16th, 2022


On Aug 9th Biden signed the Chips + Science Act into law. What’s it gunna do for science?

Joining us today is 

  • Tim Clancy, founder of Arch Street …

CHIPS Act + The Future of Microelectronics

August 13th, 2022



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A few weeks back, Congress actually did something, passing the Chips and Science Act. Most of you have probably heard of the billions going toward …

What Happens Without Taiwan's Chips?

August 9th, 2022



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To discuss, Eric Breckenfeld of the Semiconductor Industry Association and Hassan …

Bo Xilai: Ten Years On

August 1st, 2022


This year marks ten years since Wang Lijun's fateful flight to the US Embassy in Chengdu, a decision which set in motion a chain of events that …

Elite Power Struggles in the CCP and USSR

July 22nd, 2022


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Joseph Torigian’s “Prestige, Manipulation and Coercion, Elite Power Struggles in The Soviet Union and China After …

Lessons from American Sovietology

July 15th, 2022


When Churchill announced in 1946 that an iron curtain had descended over Europe, the US government only employed two dozen experts on the Soviet …

How Abe Reshaped Japan (Repost)

July 8th, 2022


In light of Abe's assassination, I thought it would be worthwhile to reflect on the man and his legacy.

Last year I recorded an episode discussing Abe …

How corruption works in China

June 16th, 2022


I'm off getting married/honeymooning for the next couple of weeks so in my absence please enjoy this fine ChinaTalk vintage.

How can China be so corrupt and yet grow so fast? What's the relationship between corruption …

The rise and fall of a Suzhou soft serve baron

June 10th, 2022


Mister Softee, the famed northeastern American ice cream brand, in Suzhou, China? Yes, that was a thing. Turner Sparks, rising from humble beginnings as just another English teacher making his way in the world, achieved …

Beijing to Britain: China in the UK's halls of power

June 2nd, 2022


From then-PM David Cameron knocking back pints with Xi at the local pub to the Chinese ambassador being banned from Parliament: how has China's …

US-China Tech Relations: A Guide for the Perplexed

May 27th, 2022


Where should US-China tech relations go? What should “Competitive when it should be. Collaborative when it can be. Adversarial when it must be” …

Xinjiang and US Imports: The UFLPA's Regulatory Revolution

May 22nd, 2022


The Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act will come into force in the US on June, 21, 2022. On this episode, John Foote, a partner and the head of the customs practice at Kelley Drye & Warren, discusses the ins and out …

China + Hollywood: are we heading for a divorce?

May 13th, 2022


China is now the largest market for movies globally, and there have long been whispers about exactly how this impacts Hollywood decisions when it …

Twilight Struggle: Cold War Lessons for US-China Today

May 7th, 2022


Hal Brands (@HalBrands), professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, is the author of The Twilight Struggle: …

How Chinese Ink Painting Survived the CCP

May 1st, 2022


How did Chinese painting, arguably the elitist of arts, fare during the Cultural Revolution? To discuss ink paintings, socialist realism, oil …

Global Standards: What's the Deal?

April 25th, 2022


Standards. Who has them? From shipping containers to screws to tech gadgets, how is it that something made in China can have certain attributes identical to another product made by another company half a world away? And …

Shanghai Lockdown + Wang Huning's Unhappy Travels in America + Classics in China

April 15th, 2022


In 1991, a young Chinese academic published America against America, a look at the contradictions and paradoxes he observed while traveling there. His book was largely forgotten until last year when it went viral for …

China/Russia + Why China's Making More Nukes

April 7th, 2022


Is a nuclear arms race inevitable? China has been building up its nuclear arsenal over the past few years. While it remains significantly smaller …

How will Beijing Respond to the War in Ukraine?

April 1st, 2022


CSIS' Bonny Lin joins to discuss how Beijing is responding to the war in Ukraine, potential future paths for Chinese policy, whether the IC could …

Taiwan indie music 101, the Taipei underground and tankie rappers

March 31st, 2022


Taipei-based DJ and New Bloom editor Brian Hioe (@brianhioe) takes us on a tour of the local indie music scene and explains what some of last year’s …

Orgies, US Navy Corruption and The Fall of Fat Leonard

March 22nd, 2022


In the 2010s, US Navy officers took cash, prostitutes and more from a Malaysian defense contractor known as Fat Leonard. To tell a story that bears more than a hint of resemblance to the Jho Low 1MDB scandal, …

UkraineTalk: The View from Berlin

March 11th, 2022


Will Germany’s policy changes towards Russia have a knock-on effect on its attitude towards China? To get the view from Germany, I’m joined by …

Xi-Putin Relations and the view from Riga

March 7th, 2022


Una Aleksandra Bērziņa-Čerenkova, Head of Riga Stradins University China Studies Centre, Head of the Asia program at the Latvian Institute of International Affairs, and a member of the European Think tank Network on …

How Eastern Europe Sees China and The War in Ukraine

March 7th, 2022


Matej Šimalčík, Executive Director of the Central European Institute of Asian Studies, joins from Bratislava to discuss:

  • The reception of BRI in …

Emergency Pod: Tooze and Klein on Nuclear War, The EU's Future, and What's Next

February 28th, 2022


Adam Tooze and Matt Klein return to ChinaTalk to discuss the war in Ukraine.

We get into

  • Why Adam is as scared as he's ever been
  • What caused the EU to …

Emergency Pod: The View From Prague + Future of the EU

February 27th, 2022


Ivana Karásková, China Research Fellow and a Project Coordinator at the Association for International Affairs (AMO), shares her view from Central …

Emergency Pod: What's Driving Putin, Sanctions, Drugs, Echoes from History, Xi, Chips

February 26th, 2022


Chris Miller of Tufts joins to discuss

  • Why Putin invaded
  • Why he humiliated his security council
  • If Putin is on drugs
  • US public opinion and the …

Emergency Pod: Russia and Cyber Operations

February 26th, 2022


Justin Sherman of the Atlantic Council joins to discuss

  • Putin's history of cyber operations
  • How he sees the current state of play
  • What is Putin …

Space Industry Literacy, NASA, and Elon versus the Taliban

February 21st, 2022


What’s the point of NASA? Will Starlink end up funding Elon’s Mars dreams? To discuss the US space ecosystem in both the private and public sector, I …

Rainbow Farts: Chinese Internet Slang You Need to Know

February 13th, 2022


Do you know your breaking porcelain from your eating human-blood-soaked steam buns? Slow Chinese author Andrew Methven (@AndrewMethven) joins me to talk about some of the newest and most interesting Chinese internet …

China's Wolf Warrior Diplomacy, Part 2

February 4th, 2022


Author of China's Civilian Army: The Making of Wolf Warrior Diplomacy Peter Martin (@PeterMartin_PCM) and Schwarzman scholar Jason Zhou return to …

China's Wolf Warrior Diplomacy, Part 1

January 26th, 2022


Why has China and its foreign ministry struggled to communicate with the world? In his book, China’s Civilian Army: The Making of Wolf Warrior …

Imperial Japan + Export Controls = Pearl Harbor!?

January 9th, 2022


What can US-China relations learn from US-Japan relations in the leadup to WWII? To discuss, I’m joined by Stony Brook University’s Michael Barnhart, author of the 1987 Japan Prepares for Total War: The Search for …

Year in Review + Future Plans for ChinaTalk

January 2nd, 2022


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Sci-fi Mecha Wu Zetian, YouTube on China and C-drama Fails

December 23rd, 2021


NYT bestselling YA author Xiran Jay Zhao (@XiranJayZhao) joins me to talk about her new book, Iron Widow, a Pacific Rim meets Handmaiden's tale sci-fi retelling of the story of Wu Zetian. Co-hosting is ChinaTalk's …

US-China Science Relations and the PhDs Caught in the Middle

December 13th, 2021


What's it like to live across the US-China scientific divide? Yale Law School postdoc, particle physicist and essayist Yangyang Cheng …

CSET: How to Break the Think Tank Mold

December 3rd, 2021


Dewey Murdick, director of CSET, discusses how the organization has brought a new level of rigor to hot topics ranging from chips to immigration and …

Son Eating and Prince-Slaying: Stratagems of the Warring States

November 24th, 2021


Can eating your sons be morally justified? Stratagems of the Warring States is a collection of stories compiled during the Han dynasty about the many …

6th Plenum: Open Source CCP

November 16th, 2021


What does the 6th Plenum communique tell us about where Xi wants to take China? What can you learn by reading the People’s Daily daily and writing a …

Selling China's Story

November 7th, 2021


Winner of the inaugural Rhodium and China Talk essay contest, recent college grad Maggie Baughman discusses her essay on how the Chinese government …

Red Roulette: It Sucks to be a Chinese Billionaire

October 26th, 2021


Red Roulette, Desmond Shum’s memoir of a fast life, deep in the bowels of Chinese politics, is the bombshell China book of 2021. It tells the story …

Why Does China Have Blackouts?

October 17th, 2021


China's energy problems are back in the news. Joining me to discuss them is Yan Qin, lead analyst at Refinitiv, with my Rhodium colleague Irina Liu …

Science & Technology for National Security

October 12th, 2021


Lisa Porter joins me with Eric Lofgren from AcquisitionTalk as cohost to reflect on how R&D works and doesn't work `in the Pentagon.

Lisa served as was deputy director of Under Secretary of Defense for Research and …

China's Space Plans for the 2020s

October 3rd, 2021


Hosts of the Dongfang Hour (, a podcast focusing on the Chinese aerospace industry, Blain Curcio and Jean Deville join me in another ChinaTalk space episode to …

What Evergrande Means for China

September 24th, 2021


Logan Wright of the Rhodium Group returns to the pod to discuss Evergrande's implosion, how we got here, and what this week means for China's economy.

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Mao and the Monkey King

September 22nd, 2021


Julia Lovell, author of Maoism: A Global History and The Opium War: Drugs, Dreams and the Making of China, discusses translating Journey to the West (

Russia's Pivot to Asia From Czars to Putin

September 14th, 2021


How did Russian imperial ambitions and expansionism eastward change over time?

Joining me on this episode is Chris Miller, author of We Shall Be Masters: Russian Pivots to East Asia from Peter the Great to Putin. Chris …

Tech Crackdown, Common Prosperity, and The Dao of ChinaTalk

September 8th, 2021


I was a guest on the Compounding Curiosity podcast, a new show founded by a ChinaTalk fan that focuses on ASEAN, and we had a halfway decent …

Tooze and Klein on China's Economic History and Future

September 3rd, 2021


How much credit can the CCP claim post-1949 for the higher level of human development relative to the level of visible capital in China? To discuss, historian Adam Tooze and Matt Klein of the Overshoot come for their …

SpaceX, Elon and their Chinese Imitators

August 25th, 2021


How did SpaceX revolutionize the global space industry? To discuss SpaceX's origin story and secret sauce, guest Eric Berger, author of Liftoff: Elon …

BadChinaTake on China Twitter

August 16th, 2021


@BadChinaTake, an anonymous twitter account that combined vicious takedowns of, well, bad china takes with a blog that …

Hot Space Summer: China's Commercial Space Boom

August 8th, 2021


In 2019, Thomas Colvin, Irina Liu and Shirley Han at the Science and Technology Policy Institute (

Tough Tech, Roombas, Valleys of Death, and Woolly Mammoths

July 20th, 2021


How do Roombas illustrate the promise and peril of translational research? Which valley of death is really the worst valley of death? And how can …

Labs over Fabs: Why the US and EU Should Invest in the Future of Semiconductors

July 15th, 2021


Chris Miller of Tufts and I discuss our report Labs over Fabs, our case for the US to be spending money more broadly than currently conceived by the CHIPS act. (

Xi: Failed Reformer?

July 10th, 2021


Why does Xi govern like he's running out of time? Rhodium's Dan Rosen and CSIS' Jude Blanchette discuss their recent Foreign Affairs pieces recapping …

China's Solar Industry

July 7th, 2021


How did Chinese firms come to dominate the global solar industry? Now that the Biden administration has banned imports for some key components of …

Larry Summers on China

July 1st, 2021


Is China different? Does secular stagnation apply?  How have Chinese economic policymakers changed over time? Should industrial policy be a thing? …

After Xi: How Past CCP Successions Can Teach Us What Happens Next

June 27th, 2021


Xi Jinping will not rule China forever. What have CCP leadership transitions looked like in the past, and what can we expect when Xi exits stage …

China's Cyber Strengths + How to Analyze Policy

June 19th, 2021


Dave Aitel, who started his career at NSA and spent the past twenty years in offensive cybersecurity,  comes on ChinaTalk to discuss

  • What he's …

DARPA and How to R&D Right

June 9th, 2021


Ben Reinhardt, an independent researcher and robotics PhD, discusses

  • Why DARPA has so many hits to its name
  • Why NASA wasted the past two decades

In-Q-Tel on Chips, CFIUS, and The Valley of Death

June 4th, 2021


Dr. Yan Zheng, senior technical staff specializing in microelectronics at In-Q-Tel, discusses

  • What it's like to invest in startups for the CIA and …

How to Solve America's R&D Bottlenecks

May 29th, 2021


Bell Labs is dead, long live Bell Labs! This week's guest, Ilan Gur, the CEO of, has a plan to improve America's R&D apparatus: fund start-ups that allow entrepreneurial researchers to pursue the …

Emergency Pod! Endless Frontier Act Butchered!

May 21st, 2021


The Endless Frontier Act, the most important piece of legislation no one's heard of, got blown to bits in committee this week. Sam Hammond of the Niskanen Center joins to discuss. 

My recent coverage in the ChinaTalk …

How Beijing Sees Korea

May 19th, 2021


Why hasn’t North Korea emulated Deng’s Opening & Reform? Are China’s wealthy, educated, urbane youth liberals? Could the PLA cooperate with the …

600 Years Of Sino-Korean Relations

May 16th, 2021


Odd Arne Westad joins ChinaTalk to discuss his latest book Empire and Righteous Nation: 600 Years of China-Korea Relations. Westad’s work is a diplomat’s handbook that connects the sweeping currents of history to the …

Industrial Policy: How the Green New Deal's Architects Would Do IP

May 14th, 2021


For Part Three of ChinaTalk's industrial policy series, we are joined by two leading lights of the American left: Saikat Chakrabarti, AOC's former …

Elon Musk, TSMC, Open Source, Endless Frontier and Zhang Yiming

May 11th, 2021


Kevin Xu of the fantastic Interconnected newsletter, and formerly of Commerce and the Obama White House, ran through a grab bag of some of the …

China's Anti-Monopoly Moment

May 1st, 2021


Fascinated (or stunned) by China’s recent anti-monopoly moves against tech giants Ant and Meituan? Want to get inside the head of Chinese regulators …

China's Booming Podcast Ecosystem

April 27th, 2021


Enzo Chen, author of the Substack 推播助栏The Podcast Pick, and Caiwei Chen, the host of 定向跳转 The Redirect Podcast and the superb newsletter Chaoyang Trap, discuss all things podcasting in China and Taiwan. We get into the …

Why Are Chinese TV Dramas So Bad?

April 20th, 2021


What as the rise of streaming, idols, and increased censorship done to Chinese TV?  

Co-hosting is Ina Yang, one of the founders of the …

How Huarong Explains China's Creaky Financial System

April 17th, 2021


What is Huarong and why do its struggles explain the central contradictions of China's financial system?

To discuss, Logan Wright of Rhodium joins the show. In the first ten minutes, Logan catches us up on the news of …

Bo Xilai and How Xi Learned from the Chongqing Model

April 14th, 2021


What was the Chongqing Model and why does it still matter?

Yueran Zhang, a PhD student in sociology at the University of California, Berkeley, …

Japan's China Challenge

April 4th, 2021


To discuss, ChinaTalk assembled two of my favorite Japanese think-tankers, Yuka Koshino, a Research Fellow at the UK think tank International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), and Akira Igata, the Executive …

US-China Ideological Competition

March 30th, 2021


Are the US and China in ideological competition? How does one go about answering that question? Dan Tobin of the US Intelligence Community's National …

China's Chip Dreams

March 27th, 2021


John Verwey of the Substack “Semi-Literate" (and formerly of Commerce’s BIS, USITC, and USTR) talks the history and future of China's chip industry. We get into government guidance funds, the CHIPS Act, “Fabs not Labs,” …

Michèle Flournoy on "Affecting the Strategic Calculus"

March 24th, 2021


Michèle Flournoy joined AcquisitionTalk's Eric Lofgren and me for another crossover episode of China-AcquisitionTalk. Flournoy is a former …

Te-Ping Chen's Short Stories of Modern China

March 20th, 2021

In her years as a Wall Street Journal foreign correspondent in Hong Kong and Beijing, Te-Ping Chen came across a lifetime of remarkable characters and events. Most of these didn’t make her newspaper articles, so she …

Rhodium's Dan Rosen on Hiring Me, 30 Years of China-Watching, Decoupling, and Debt

March 16th, 2021


Dan Rosen is the founding partner of the Rhodium Group and leads the China team. He is also my boss!

We talk about our plans for China tech coverage, lessons from thirty years of China-watching, how he thinks about …

To The Quad! The Origins of "Indo-Pacific"

March 13th, 2021


Rory Medcalf, head of the National Security College at Australia National University discusses his new book 'Indo-Pacific Empire.'

We talk …

Adam Tooze and Matt Klein Return!

March 11th, 2021


Adam Tooze (now on Substack!) and Matt Klein, author of Trade Wars Are Class Wars, return to ChinaTalk and pick up right where they left off in September

We discuss whether Ricardo’s theories of comparative advantage …

Clubhouse and Feminism in China with Shen Lu

March 4th, 2021


Shen Lu of Protocol discusses the magical world of Mandarin language Clubhouse before diving into the feminist movement in China. We cover the Xianzi …

故事FM (China's "This American Life") Founder Talks Storytelling in Modern China

February 27th, 2021


Aizhe, 故事FM's founder, runs the leading Chinese language podcast. His show gives a platform for everyday Chinese to tell their stories. We talked about his show and the state of journalism in modern China. Aizhe is a …

Beyond Espionage: China's Quest for Foreign Technology

February 25th, 2021


Four contributors to the recent book China's Quest for Foreign Technology: Beyond Espionage discuss China’s foreign technology acquisition. Is it …

Rethinking Industrial Policy...and Everything Else

February 17th, 2021


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Jose Luis Ricón Fernández de la Puente, an independent researcher who …

Chinese Cooking Demystified

February 11th, 2021


Chinese Cooking Demystified is my favorite English language Youtube cooking channel. I chat with creators Chris and Steph about how they create their recipes, who watches their videos, whether Chinese food is soft …

Richard Fontaine on CNAS and US-China

February 8th, 2021


Richard Fontaine, CEO of CNAS, discusses what it's like to run what very well may be the hottest think tank in the Asia policy game (full disclosure: …

Taiwan! Pigs, Politics, and Pop Music

January 29th, 2021


Maggie Lewis (Seton Hall) and Lev Nachman (UC Irvine) talk Biden's Taiwan policy, pork trade politics, the future of the KMT, third parties, academic …

A User's Guide to US Industrial Policy

January 22nd, 2021


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WWII's Legacy in China with Rana Mitter

January 17th, 2021


Rana Mitter, professor of Chinese history at Oxford University, discusses his book from earlier this year, China’s Good War: How World War II Is Shaping a New Nationalism.

Now seventy-five years after China’s victory …

China's Spies

January 7th, 2021


Matt Brazil discusses his new book co-written with Peter Mattis, 'Chinese Communist Espionage, An Intelligence Primer.'  We talk about the role spies …

Great Power Competition with Richard Danzig

January 2nd, 2021


On the second joint episode of Acquisition Talk and ChinaTalk, Richard Danzig, a Secretary of the Navy under Clinton, discusses US-China relations and military innovation. Richard is a Senior Fellow at Johns Hopkins …

DIU's Michael Brown on US-China Tech Competition

January 2nd, 2021


Kicking off a series on US-China defense-related issues with Eric Lofgren of the podcast AcquisitionTalk, we host Defense Innovation Unit head …

KFC, The Toilet Revolution, and the Business of Propaganda

December 26th, 2020


Why is KFC so big in China? What is the “Toilet Revolution” and why does it matter? How does Chinese propaganda work? How have bicycles’ role in …

Chinese Hip Hop in 2020 Radio Show

December 22nd, 2020


Duoduodiliao walks us through his favorite Chinese rap songs of 2020, taking us everywhere from soul rap and R&B to drill and Caribbean-inspired …

America's New Tools of Coercion

December 17th, 2020


Peter Harrell and Liz Rosenberg, both CNAS fellows, joined ChinaTalk in May to talk about their report authored with Ashley Fung, 'A New Arsenal for Competition: Coercive Economic Measures in the U.S.-China Relationship

Wendy Cutler on US-China Trade Policy

December 13th, 2020


Wendy Culter, who served 28 years in the Office of the US Trade Representative, discusses how Biden should address Beijing on trade. We talk about …

Blockchain Chicken Farm: How Tech Changed Rural China

December 8th, 2020


Xiaowei Wang discusses her new book. She explores Taobao villages where Snow White Halloween costumes get made, how one police station is sputtering …

How to Research China, Talent Programs, and Military-Civil Fusion

December 5th, 2020


Emily Weinstein of CSET talks open source China research. We also sort truth from fact and fiction on Chinese talent programs and MCF.

Buy an air filter at and use the code 'ChinaTalk' for …

The Blunder Down Under? How China-Australia Relations Fell Off a Cliff

December 2nd, 2020


Yun Jiang walks step by step through the past three years of deteriorating Australia-China relations. 

I haven't sold an ad this calendar year. …

5G in the Caribbean, Open Source Tech, CCP Twitter Bots, Chinese TV and Rap

November 28th, 2020


I chatted this week with Rasheed Griffith of the China in the Caribbean Podcast. I highly recommend you check out his channel!

We discuss:

  • The …

Incoming NSA Jake Sullivan on an Alternative Vision for US-China Relations

November 24th, 2020

President-Elect Joe Biden just tapped Jake Sullivan to serve as his first National Security Advisor, the most important foreign policy role in the …

HR McMaster on His Time as NSA, China, and History's Role in Policymaking

November 22nd, 2020


HR McMaster was Trump's National Security Advisor and, it seems, a ChinaTalk superfan. We talk about his time in government, what the US missed about …

Biden's Foreign Policy

November 16th, 2020


What will a Biden administration foreign policy look like? What’s going to happen on tech and trade? How will debates within the democratic party on …

Is a Chinese Financial Crisis Looming?

November 12th, 2020


The Chinese economy is perhaps the world's only economic bright spot. So that means we can stop worrying about a financial crisis, right?

Think again, according to Lauren Gloudeman and Logan Wright of the Rhodium Group, …


November 8th, 2020


David Feng talks Chinese trains and subways. We get into the history and evolution of China's trains, the impact of industrial policy, and the role …

Swing State Appreciation Hip Hop Minimix

November 8th, 2020


A thank you to everyone out there who helped make yesterday possible.

"With full hearts and steady hands, with faith in America and in each other, …

What To Do About Xinjiang

October 28th, 2020


How should the US respond to the human rights crisis in Xinjiang? I was a guest on the Lawfare podcast this week, discussing my recent essay

Why Xi Is All In On Climate Change

October 27th, 2020


Xi wants China to reach peak emissions by 2030 and go carbon neutral by 2060. Why now? Can he do it? Lauri Myllyvirta comes on to discuss. 

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CCP Influence Ops in Japan: Everywhere Yet Nowhere in Particular

October 24th, 2020


'Everywhere Yet Nowhere in Particular' is the title of Devin Stewart's latest report. We discuss China's tactics in trying to influence Japanese …

What Does US-China Corruption Really Look Like? Also, iFlyTek

October 22nd, 2020


Refer your friends ChinaTalk! If you get 10 people to sign up using your referral link, you'll get a free ChinaTalk mug!

Mara Hvistendahl is a staff writer at The Intercept. In this bitesize edition of ChinaTalk, we …

China and the NBA

October 16th, 2020


Why, aside from Yao, have Chinese players had no success in the NBA? Post-NBA, what has Yao done to reform and professionalize the Chinese Basketball Association? One year on, how does the NBA's response to Houston …

China's True Tech Ambitions

October 8th, 2020


How does the Chinese government's S&T spending differ fundamentally from America's and what does that tell us about the nature of their …

Liberalism: The Light That Failed

October 2nd, 2020


In his memoir The World as It Is, Ben Rhodes, Barack Obama’s closest national security aide, confides that, on the day Obama left the White House, the worry that haunted him most was: ‘What if we were wrong?’ That is, …

TikTok, WeChat and Trump

September 29th, 2020


It's been a wild few weeks with President Trump threatening to shut WeChat and TikTok out of the U.S. market and rip them out of the app stores. There have been lawsuits, a preliminary injunction—and a sudden deal to …

War in Taiwan

September 25th, 2020


Why would Xi invade and is the Taiwanese military up to the challenge? Paul Huang, freelance journalist, Fletcher School grad and fellow at the …

Adam Tooze on World Order, Then and Now

September 18th, 2020


Adam Tooze is my favorite economic historian. After writing a handful of books on the 1920s and Nazi economics, he's now turned his eye to the …

The Mulan Debacle

September 11th, 2020


Turning a beloved movie of female empowerment into a dull endorsement of the patriarchy, autocracy and mass forced labor is no easy feat, but Disney …

Rise and Fall of a Suzhou Soft Serve Baron

September 2nd, 2020


Mister Softee, the famed northeastern American ice cream brand, in Suzhou, China? Yes, that was a thing. Turner Sparks, rising from humble beginnings as just another English teacher making his way in the world, …

Land Wars: China's Agrarian Revolution

August 26th, 2020


In 1927, Mao wrote that "In a very short time...several hundred million peasants will rise like a mighty storm, like a hurricane, a force so swift …

Scholarstage on Xi, War in Taiwan, the CCP Toolkit, and the Chinese Tradition

August 18th, 2020


Tanner Greer of the blog Scholarstage joins the show in a wide-ranging discussion touching on Xi's ideology, incentives in western China-watching, …

What China Wants

August 10th, 2020


How do you even go about answering that question? Is there a consensus in Washington on how to confront China and does that consensus make any sense? Ali Wyne and Jessica Chen Weiss come on to discuss. 

Currently, I …

Superpower Showdown: Tale of a Trade War

July 31st, 2020


Lingling Wei and Bob Davis of the WSJ discuss their new book Superpower Showdown. We dive deep into the personal dynamics within the Xi and Trump administrations as well as what the twists and turns over the past few …

TikTok, Tesla, Kanye and Open Source

July 24th, 2020


Should the US ban TikTok? What role does open source play in the tech ecosystem and the Chinese government's plans for self-reliance? Why does tech …

How Sanctions Fail US Policymakers

July 17th, 2020


Eddie Fishman, who worked in Obama's State Department's Policy Planning Staff, joins to discuss his recent articles on sanctions and the world order

How Corruption Works in China

July 10th, 2020


How can China be so corrupt and yet grow so fast? What's the relationship between corruption and competent governance? How does 'access money' at the higher levels differ from the 'profit-sharing' you see lower down in …

The H1B Ban and National Security

June 27th, 2020


This week Trump banned valid H1B holders from entering the country. What are the broader implications for America's technological ecosystem and …

China-India Clashes: What Happens Next?

June 24th, 2020


On June 15th, dozens of soldiers died in clashes on the China-India border. What exactly happened up in the Himalayas? What's the historical …

Hong Kong's Protests One Year On

June 17th, 2020


This week’s ChinaTalk featured Antony Dapiran going deep with me on the origin, meaning, and legacy of the 2019 Hong Kong protests. We drew parallels and contrasts throughout between HK and Black Lives Matter.

If you'd …

Evan Osnos on Tiananmen, Protests in America and Political Leadership

June 8th, 2020


Evan Osnos is a correspondent for the New Yorker. We discussed his pieces on the protests in DC and coverage of US-China

See here for video of …

GM Corn Smuggled in Popcorn Bags: An Industrial Espionage Parable

May 28th, 2020


What do you get when you take a Chinese national, a rental car, rural Iowa, and a $52 billion seed business hanging in the balance? Said one review, "not since Alfred Hitchcock's in North by Northwest has a cornfield …

AI Basic Research in China and the US

May 22nd, 2020


Who's spending big? Does it matter? Zach Arnold and Ashwin Acharya join the show to discuss their reports on Chinese public sector AI R&D …

Health QR Codes and the rise of a 'Digital Leviathan'

May 15th, 2020


Dan Grover joins the show to discuss his recent piece on how Chinese tech firms have handled coronavirus, I read from a recent ChinaTalk newsletter on how some mainland commentators fear that QR Health Codes will create …

Coronastories 3: Nanjing, Nepal, and Singapore

May 6th, 2020


The legendary Yangyang Cheng discusses how Coronavirus played out in cross-continent conversations with her mother. We'll also hear from Asmod in Nepal and Lambert in Singapore.

In case you haven't heard, I write a

Forging an Innovation Base Alliance

April 30th, 2020


America has allies with solid tech. But can the US leverage these relationships to help preserve its technological edge over China? In this …

Coronastories 2: Philippines, Russia, Taiwan

April 23rd, 2020


We're continuing our Coronastories series this week with personal reflections and analysis from friends of ChinaTalk on the current situations in the Philippines, Russia, and Taiwan. 

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Coronastories: Dispatches from Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong

April 16th, 2020


This week I'm trying something different. I've been interviewing my friends across China about their Coronavirus experiences, 故事FM style. We start off with Dev from Shanghai who lived through the entire lockdown and has …

Domestic Coronavirus Propaganda and China-Australia Relations

April 9th, 2020


Adam Ni and Yun Jiang are two former Australian government officials who together write Neican(内参), a fantastic new newsletter on Chinese policy and …

How the Party Takes its Propaganda Global

April 3rd, 2020


What are the CCP's international propaganda goals? How is it faring in the battle to define COVID-19's winners and losers? Matt Schrader of the German Marshall Fund's Alliance for Securing Democracy brings the mirth in …

Sinocism's Bill Bishop on the Politics of Coronavirus

March 25th, 2020


Bill Bishop, author of the Sinocism newsletter, comes on the show to discuss the new low in US-China relations. We start off talking about what China's response to coronavirus has taught us about the CCP and then go …

How Chinese Governance Fundamentals Impact Health Care and National Security

March 13th, 2020


How has the distinct nature of local-central relations in the Chinese system impacted its response to coronavirus? To discuss, we have on Ryan …

Outraged by the outbreak: Citizen journalism and coronavirus censorship

February 5th, 2020


Tony Lin is a producer at Quartz for the web series Because China and an avid observer of Chinese online communities, such as Weibo. After the outbreak of the novel coronavirus in Wuhan, Tony noticed commentary being …

Tesla’s future in China, technology tensions, and the trade war on ‘pause’

January 31st, 2020


Gordon Orr is a senior adviser at McKinsey & Company and a non-executive board member at both Lenovo and Meituan-Dianping. In this week’s episode …

Out of the Gobi: Weijian Shan on the Cultural Revolution, economic reform, and U.S.-China ties

January 15th, 2020


How does a bookish Beijing teenager, who found himself stuck for six years planting potatoes in the Gobi Desert, grow up to study with former chair of the Federal Reserve Janet Yellen, teach at Wharton, and now lead one …

The changing nature of U.S.-China tech competition

January 9th, 2020


Adam Segal, director of the Digital and Cyberspace Policy Program at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), joins Jordan to talk about technology …

Online discourse and censorship in China

December 11th, 2019


Jane Li, a Chongqing native and a technology reporter for Quartz, talks through some of the differences between Twitter and its Chinese equivalent, …

A walk down Chang’an Avenue, with Jonathan Chatwin

November 27th, 2019


Can one street tell China’s story? Jonathan Chatwin, author of Long Peace Street: A Walk in Modern China, takes listeners on a tour of Chang’an Avenue, a major artery for traffic in central Beijing, which was also the …

China tech policy and competition, with Paul Triolo

November 20th, 2019


Paul Triolo, practice head of geotechnology at the Eurasia Group, sat down with Jordan to address some of the questions at the center of the …

Reinterpreting Beijing and its history

November 13th, 2019


Jeremiah Jenne, history teacher, writer, and the man behind Beijing by Foot, is in the guest seat this week. He speaks with Jordan about the changes — both tangible and intangible — that Beijing has undergone in the …

Chasing the dragon: Fentanyl, China, and the opioid crisis

October 23rd, 2019


Puzzled by rising drug deaths at raves in the United States, author and investigative journalist Ben Westhoff set out to find answers. A Google …

Hashing out China tech with Lulu Chen

October 16th, 2019


Bloomberg technology reporter Lulu Chen gives the scoop on the tech world in China: what’s to come for Alibaba under newly minted CEO Daniel Zhang, …

An Alternative Vision of U.S.-China Relations with Jake Sullivan

October 9th, 2019


Jake Sullivan served in the Obama administration as National Security Advisor to Vice President Joe Biden and Director of Policy Planning at the U.S. …

U.S. Foreign Policy in Asia

October 2nd, 2019


Mira Rapp-Hooper, senior fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations, provides an overview of the history of U.S. foreign policy from Washington’s …

ChinaEconTalk, Live from Washington, D.C.

September 25th, 2019

ChinaEconTalk is live from the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, D.C., with Martijn Rasser, a senior fellow in the Technology …

Tarriffs, taxes, and trade: Doug Irwin on ChinaEconTalk

September 12th, 2019


Douglas Irwin is the John French Professor of Economics at Dartmouth College and the author of Clashing Over Commerce: A History of US Trade Policy. …

How China Can Take Over Tech

September 4th, 2019


Douglas Fuller is an associate professor in the Department of Asian and International Studies at the City University of Hong Kong and the author of

Tech triangles and AI ethics: Danit Gal on Chinese AI

August 28th, 2019


Danit Gal is a former Yenching Scholar and coauthor of a recent paper, “Perspectives and Approaches to AI Ethics: East Asia.” On this episode, Gal …

The View from Chengdu: Freelance Reporting Outside First-Tier Cities

August 21st, 2019


On this episode of ChinaEconTalk, Jordan interviews Lauren Teixeira, a freelance reporter based in Chengdu, Sichuan Province. After what has been a jam-packed few months of China news, Lauren discusses a wide range of …

Reform and Opening with Soviet Characteristics: Russian Perspectives on China’s Rise

August 15th, 2019


This week on ChinaEconTalk, Jordan interviews Chris Miller, associate professor of international history at Tufts University and a specialist on …

East Asian AI: Researching Chinese, Japanese, and Korean Tech in Canada

August 9th, 2019

This week on ChinaEconTalk, Jordan speaks with Dongwoo Kim, a postgraduate research fellow at the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada who specializes in AI. Dongwoo discusses his research on the progress of AI development …

The Party in Cyberspace: China’s Digital Ecosystem

July 31st, 2019

This week, Jordan speaks with Graham Webster, a China digital economy fellow and coordinating editor of the DigiChina project at New America. He was …

Little Red Book, Big Red Ideas: Part 2 of A Global History of Maoism

July 23rd, 2019

This week, in part 2 of a special two-part edition of ChinaEconTalk, Jordan interviews Professor Julia Lovell, author of the recently published book …

Little Red Book, Big Red Ideas: Part 1 of A Global History of Maoism

July 17th, 2019

This week, in part 1 of a special two-part edition of ChinaEconTalk, Jordan interviews Professor Julia Lovell, author of the recently published book …

Learning to listen: China's billion-dollar podcast industry

July 10th, 2019

While it may be a pipe dream for ChinaEconTalk to ever merit a billion-dollar price tag, in China, podcast “unicorns” are everywhere. Companies like …

Of cell phones and seed prices: The Chinese legal system in theory and practice

June 21st, 2019

This week on ChinaEconTalk, Jordan speaks with Donald Clarke, a specialist in Chinese law and the David Weaver Research Professor at George …

The Future of U.S.-China Relations: Is ‘Collective Pressure' the Answer?

June 14th, 2019

This week, in the second installment of the series “The Future of U.S.-China Relations” on ChinaEconTalk, Jordan speaks with Professor Hal Brands of …

From Beijing to Cairo: Peter Hessler on What Makes a Real Revolution

June 7th, 2019

This week on ChinaEconTalk, Jordan speaks with veteran journalist Peter Hessler. Peter spent seven years in China as a correspondent for The New …

How Local Bureaucrats Helped Create Chinese Tech Giants

May 30th, 2019

Why did Shenzhen, a backwater fishing village, spawn the likes of industry leaders ZTE, Huawei, and Lenovo, while Suzhou, which previously scored massive investments from top “dragon head” foreign firms like Samsung and …

The Future of U.S.-China Economic Relations: The Case for Change

May 22nd, 2019

This week, ChinaEconTalk launches its “Future of U.S.-China Economic Relations” miniseries with an interview featuring Melanie Hart, a senior fellow …

Harnessing the Educational Power of AI

May 17th, 2019

Over 100 million Chinese adults have used the Liulishuo (流利说 liúlì shuō) app to learn English through AI-powered tutoring. This week on …

Huawei May, But How?: China's Role in Global IT Infrastructure

May 8th, 2019

Is Huawei unfairly maligned or rightly feared? Are the tech supply chains running through China a marvel of 21st-century globalization, or dangerous oversight on the part of U.S. tech firms and the federal government? …

Aerial Acrobatics: China's Aviation Industry

May 1st, 2019

This week on ChinaEconTalk, host Jordan Schneider discusses China’s aviation industry with Neil Thomas, Research Associate at the Paulson Institute’s …

Red Guards to Red Entrepreneurs: How Mao Era Thought Seeps Into Modern Chinese Business

April 24th, 2019

In this episode of ChinaEconTalk, host Jordan Schneider interviews Professor Christopher Marquis, professor at Cornell’s SC Johnson College of …

ChinaEconTalk Crossover Episode: China Tech Investor Podcast

April 18th, 2019

This week’s episode is a crossover with the China Tech Investor podcast. Join Jordan in conversation with China Tech Investor co-hosts James Hull and …

China's exploited tech workers fight back

April 10th, 2019

This episode of ChinaEconTalk features a discussion with two of the people behind recent, high-profile efforts to mobilize Chinese programmers against labor exploitation via GitHub, the world’s leading software …

Building – and Selling – the Great Firewall

March 20th, 2019

This week on ChinaEconTalk, host Jordan Schneider speaks with James Griffiths, senior producer for CNN International, to discuss his new book, The …

One hour, Two Sessions

March 14th, 2019

One hour, Two Sessions China’s Two Sessions, the national annual gathering of the leadership of the People’s Republic of China, will soon be coming to a close. This week on ChinaEconTalk, Jordan sat down with Chris …

ChinaEconTalk with special guest Russ Roberts

March 6th, 2019

This week's guest is Russ Roberts. He's a research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution and the host of the EconTalk podcast, a weekly interview-based show that’s vaguely about economics but that has, over time, …

Rubber ducks and semiconductors: Navigating China’s legal system

February 27th, 2019

“The champagne days are over,” writes Dan Harris, reflecting on how the tone of his China Law Blog has evolved since its creation in 2006. As the …

Diplomatic bookkeeping with Ryan Hass

February 20th, 2019

This week’s guest on ChinaEconTalk is Ryan Hass, a David M. Rubenstein Fellow in the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy program, who is jointly …

China’s foothold in India’s tech ecosystem

February 15th, 2019

Today, nearly half of the top 100 apps in India's Google Play store are made by Chinese companies. After past failures to enter the Indian tech market, what's driving China tech's sudden success on the subcontinent? How …

The Obama era of U.S.-China economic relations

February 6th, 2019

How did the U.S.-China economic relationship evolve during the Obama administration? Are the economic tensions we see today between the two countries …

A ‘Qianlong’ look back at China’s economic history

January 30th, 2019

How does autocratic repression impact societies? Can the legacy of political repression ripple out across centuries, creating a vicious autocratic …

Changing tides in 2019, with Gordon Orr

January 23rd, 2019

“The U.S.-China equilibrium of the past 20 years has gone,” declares Gordon Orr in his recent piece on what to expect in China in 2019. So what will replace it? What impact will the increasingly activist Chinese …

The world’s largest video game industry

January 16th, 2019

China’s video game market is the world’s largest. Over 600 million people play video games in China, and collectively, they spend over $40 billion a …

Chinese Policymaking Made Easy with Trivium China

January 3rd, 2019

Chinese politics is boring and confusing. Or is it? This week Jordan speaks with Andrew Polk and Trey McArver, economics and politics specialists at …

The Chinese Financial Crisis That Never Came, with Logan Wright

December 13th, 2018

Foreign investors have lost billions expecting a Chinese financial crisis that hasn't come yet. So what gives? According to the Rhodium Group's Logan Wright, it's not China's domestic savings rate or RMB-denominated …

Daniel Kurtz-Phelan on George Marshall’s China Mission

December 5th, 2018

Daniel Kurtz-Phelan, the executive editor of Foreign Affairs, is the author of the recent book The China Mission: George Marshall's Unfinished War, 1945–1947. George Marshall, World War II hero and creator of the …

China's Domestic Sports Market With Mark Dreyer

November 20th, 2018

China's government aims to create a $500 billion sports industry by 2020. But how are those ambitions playing out on the ground in the Chinese basketball and soccer leagues? There's more to sports in China than the …

How Chinese Firms Succeed and Fail at Internationalizing (Featuring Bytedance)

November 13th, 2018

What is Bytedance and how does it make its money? How do politics and culture get in the way of Chinese firms' internationalization efforts? What can …

KFC, the Business of Propaganda, and the 'Toilet Revolution'

November 6th, 2018

Why is KFC so big in China? What is the “Toilet Revolution” and why does it matter? How does Chinese propaganda work? How have bicycles’ role in …

Matt Sheehan on Google in China

November 1st, 2018

What is the history of Google in China? Does the company have any hope of bringing its search engine back into the Chinese market? How does China’s development of artificial intelligence stack up against the rest of the …

When Trade Wars Turned Bloody: The Opium War with Stephen Platt

October 24th, 2018

When it came to trade wars, the British didn't mess around. Four steam-powered battleships sent by the English to force China to change its trade …

Tencent's History and Future with Matthew Brennan

October 19th, 2018

Matt Brennan, professional speaker and co-host of China Tech Talk, comes on the show to discuss the history and evolution of China's most popular …

David Dollar on U.S.-China financial friction

October 9th, 2018

David Dollar is a senior fellow at the John L. Thornton China Center at the Brookings Institution. He has previously served as the U.S. Treasury …

China’s Grand AI Ambitions with Jeff Ding

October 3rd, 2018

Rhodes Scholar Jeff Ding breaks down how China stacks up to the rest of the world in the race to develop AI. He delves into the connections between …

Trade War Tale of the Tape with Chad Bown

August 27th, 2018

Chad Bown is a fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, DC and cohost of the excellent Trade Talks, a weekly …

Data Policy with Samm Sacks

August 16th, 2018

Guest Samm Sacks Senior Fellow, Technology Policy, Center for Strategic and International Studies @CSIS Samm Sacks | Center for Strategic and …

What China Thinks of the Trade War with Chublicopinion's Ma Tianjie

May 13th, 2018

Ma Tianjie, founder of the long-running blog Chublicopinion is perhaps the leading English-language chronicler of Chinese public opinion. In this …

Trump's Trade War Tactics with Chris Balding

May 9th, 2018

(The audio stops beeping after 1 minute I promise!) Chris Balding as a Bloomberg Views contributor and professor based in Shenzhen. In this interview, we discuss two recent posts on his blog Baldingsworld which both …

Made in China 2025 and Bytedance with Lorand Laskai

April 23rd, 2018

Lorand Laskai is a researcher at a prominent American think tank who recently wrote a piece on the Trump administration's animosity to Xi's Made in China 2025 program. In this episode, we discuss what exactly ticks …

How China Learned to WTO with Henry Cao

April 12th, 2018

Guest henry gao henry gao (@henrysgao) | Twitter Prof. Henry Gao is Associate Professor of law (tenured) at Singapore Management University and …

Gaming in China with Charlie Moseley and Chang Jung-Erh

March 19th, 2018

Guest Charlie Moseley Washingtonian in Asia. Predisposed to wanderlust. Charlie Moseley's Personal Website charlie (@justcharlie) | Twitter China's over 600 million gamers contribute to a gaming market that generated …

Internet Finance with Martin Chorzempa

March 6th, 2018

Guest Martin Chorzempa Research Fellow, @PIIE. China Econ/Finance, FinTech, Financial Development Martin Chorzempa | PIIE Martin Chorzempa (@ChorzempaMartin) | Twitter Martin Chorzempa of the Peterson Institute is over …

Nick Consonery on China's Economic Reform Trajectory

February 25th, 2018

Guest Nick Consonery Director of China Macroeconomic & Policy research @rhodium_group Rhodium Group Nick Consonery (@nconsonery) | Twitter Nick …

The Chinese Rustbelt with Song Houze

January 23rd, 2018

China's northeast, a region that in the 1970s comprised over 10% of national GDP, now only makes up 3%. In this interview, Song Houze walks listeners …

Oona Hathaway and Scott Shapiro on How the World Order Evolves

January 18th, 2018

Guests Oona Hathaway Professor @YaleLawSch, Director @YaleLawGLC, Editor @just_security, fmr Special Counsel @DeptofDefense, co-author of The …

Barry Eichengreen on the Rise and Fall of Global Currencies

January 14th, 2018

Barry Eichengreen, Professor of Economics and Political Science at Berkeley (not to mention one of my favorite authors of accessible yet profound …

Ex-Head of Mobile at Mobike Max Zhou on Dockless Bikeshares in China

December 22nd, 2017

Max Zhou 周喆吾 is an Uber alum who until November of 2017 was the head of Mobile at Mobike. He is currently working as the co-founder of Meta App. Max talks about his story coming to the US for an advanced degree, his …

Keller Easterling on Free Zones and the Origins and Global Impact of SEZs

December 19th, 2017

Keller Easterling, architect and professor at Yale, discusses her research on free zones (aka Special Economic Zones). We start by discussing the history of free zones and whether the Chinese success stories of SEZs …

Peter Lorentzen on the Politics of Protest in China

December 10th, 2017

Peter Lorentzen, professor of economics at the University of San Francisco, talks protests and provincial politics. We start by discussing 'Designing …

Matt Sheehan on 'Chinafornia'

November 30th, 2017

Matt Sheehan is a fellow at the Paulson Institute and writes his own newsletter, "Chinafornia". We discussed the evolving relationship between China …

Jonathan Woetzel on China's Digital Economy

November 26th, 2017

Dr. Jonathan Woetzel, Mckinsey Global Institute Director and Senior Partner in the Shanghai office, recently co-authored a report entitled China's Digital Economy. In this podcast, he discusses the impact of BAT (Baidu, …

Julian Gewirtz on Unlikely Partners: Western Economists and Reform and Opening

October 31st, 2017

Julian Gewirtz is currently a Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School and author of Unlikely Partners: Chinese Reformers, Western Economists, and the …

The Book of Swindles: Cons from the Late Ming Dynasty

October 27th, 2017

In Zhang Yingyu’s work from the late Ming Dynasty, you’ll encounter swindling concubines, clever commoners, and even eunuch cannibals trying to regrow their members. “We live in an age of deception. Words and …

Cynthia Estlund on Labor in China

October 26th, 2017

China’s massive labor surplus has been vital to its rapid economic development. For decades, China’s rural population has been migrating to take up …

Andrew Polk on the 19th Party Congress

September 24th, 2017

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Scott Kennedy on Innovation in China

September 21st, 2017

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