COVID-19 rates are spiking across the globe, and James Keys and Tunde Ogunlana consider whether our societies have misjudged how pervasive the pandemic would be (01:13) and discuss comments from a conservative party leader in the UK about Boris Johnson "giving in to scientific advisers" with his lockdown measures (09:14). The guys also take a look at the apparent availability of cloned pets and some implications of technology’s advance on that front (33:56).
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