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Brave, Not Perfect with Reshma Saujani

88 EpisodesProduced by Reshma Saujani/Girls Who CodeWebsite

Get ready to leave perfect behind. Reshma Saujani, founder and CEO of Girls Who Code, has run for office twice and failed. But exercising her bravery muscle led her to create a nonprofit that's reached 300,000 girls with its computer education programs and message of sisterhood. Join Reshma on her m… read more

88 Episodes | 2018 - 2021

The Bravery to Say Goodbye (ft. Marisa Renee Lee)

March 9th, 2021


Reshma makes a big announcement about the podcast and her future with Girls Who Code before jumping into a powerful interview with Marisa  Renee Lee …

The Bravery to Demand Change For Moms (ft. Dr. C. Nicole Mason)

February 23rd, 2021


Dr. C. Nicole Mason, president and CEO of the Institute for Women's  Policy Research (IWPR), joins Reshma to discuss the crisis women are  facing in …

Marshall Plan for Moms (ft. Dee Poku and Eve Rodsky)

February 9th, 2021


Reshma sits down with Dee Poku (CEO and founder of the WIE Suite) and Eve Rodsky (author of the NYTimes Bestseller Fair Play) to discuss the need for a Marshall Plan for Moms and why they're calling on the Biden …

What's The Best That Can Happen? (ft. Michelle Poler)

January 26th, 2021


Reshma sits down with Michelle Poler,  author of Hello Fears: Crush Your Comfort Zone and Become Who You're  Meant to Be. They discuss how Michelle …

Getting Brave with Money (ft. Tonya Rapley)

January 12th, 2021


The new year is a perfect time to get your finances in order. Reshma sits down with Tonya Rapley of MyFabFinance to get advice on how to start that process and what to prioritize. Tonya shares her money journey and how …

Astrology Is Self-Care (ft. Banu Guler)

December 29th, 2020


To close out the year, Reshma sits down with Banu Guler, the founder of the popular Co-Star app that uses artificial intelligence to create …

We Broke The Internet! (ft. Nicole Small)

December 15th, 2020


Girls Who Code recently partnered with the If/Then Initiative of Lyda Hill Philanthropies to break the internet and show the world what the web would …

The Myth of Meritocracy (ft. Mellody Hobson)

December 1st, 2020


Reshma sits down with Mellody Hobson, co-CEO of Ariel investments and a powerful leader in the financial sector. The two discuss the importance of …

Bravery in the Corporate World (ft. Indra Nooyi)

November 17th, 2020


Reshma sits down with Indra Nooyi, former CEO of PepsiCo and one of the few women of color to lead a Fortune 100 company to discuss sisterhood, the …

Mistakes Are The Ultimate Brainstorming Moment (ft. Yara Shahidi)

November 3rd, 2020


Reshma sits down with activist and actor Yara Shahidi, who stars in series Black-ish and Grown-ish, to discuss the importance of civic engagement, being open to challenging your understanding of the world, and why …

The Bravery of Young People (ft. John King Jr.)

October 20th, 2020


What can we learn about bravery from young people? Turns out a whole lot. Reshma sits down with former Secretary of Education and CEO of The …

Using Bravery To Strengthen Our Sisterhood (ft. Ann Friedman)

October 6th, 2020


How can we use bravery to strengthen our friendships? Reshma sits down with Ann Friendman, co-author of Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close, for a discussion about deepening our friendships, maintaining and …

Bravery In Space (ft. Christina Koch and Jenna Arnold)

September 22nd, 2020


NASA Astronaut Christina Koch has an inspiring conversation with Reshma about how to avoid being held back by fear, the challenges and wonders of going to space, and the importance of sisterhood. Plus, Reshma interviews …

The Bravery To Ask For Help (ft. Soledad O’Brien)

September 8th, 2020


Soledad O’Brien joins Reshma for a dynamic conversation about asking for  the things you need, navigating fraught workplace dynamics, and how to …

The Bravery to Make Space (ft. Hillary Rodham Clinton)

August 25th, 2020


Reshma sits down with her mentor, former Secretary of State and  Democratic nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton to discuss her career, what  she's learned along the way, and give advice to other ambitious women. 

This …

The Bravery of Educators (ft. Dr. Jill Biden)

August 11th, 2020


On this week's episode, Reshma sits down with Dr. Jill Biden to talk about the challenges of virtual education, the teachers she admires going above and beyond for their students during the pandemic, and how much she …

Bravery and Black Women in Tech (ft. Dr. Robbie Melton)

July 28th, 2020


It would be harder to be brave without the pioneers who came before and created more space for us to thrive. Reshma sits down with one such pioneer, …

Breaking Free From Perfection During COVID (ft. Melinda Gates)

July 14th, 2020


It's hard to let go of perfection at this time where it often feels  like we have little control over our lives, but being kind to yourself  is even …

How Isha Clarke is Organizing Youth for Climate Justice - Episode Swap with Inflection Point

July 7th, 2020


Brave, Not Perfect is sharing an episode from Inflection Point with Lauren Schiller this week highlighting a young climate activist fighting to save our planet.

Isha Clarke is an activist with Youth vs Apocalypse. You …

Rising Together Through Sisterhood (ft. Bozoma Saint John)

June 30th, 2020


We can all rise higher by lifting each other up and developing relationships where we invest in and support one another. This week, Reshma talks with Bozoma Saint John about the importance of sisterhood. The two discuss …

Getting Brave About Anti-Racist Parenting (ft. Tabitha St. Bernard-Jacobs)

June 16th, 2020


What does it mean to be an anti-racist parent? And what can we do to teach our kids to commit to the fight against systematic racism? Reshma sits down with activist and fashion entrepreneur Tabitha St. Bernard-Jacobs to …

Falling In Love With Yourself (ft. Keah Brown)

June 2nd, 2020


Loving ourselves when the world tells us to hate so many parts of ourselves is a radical act. In this episode, Reshma sits down with writer and disability advocate Keah Brown to discuss her journey to falling in love …

Putting Yourself First (ft. Jameela Jamil)

May 19th, 2020


It's time to let go of shame and put yourself first. In this episode, Reshma sits down with actor and activist Jameela Jamil for a conversation about the movement against shame, setting boundaries to protect yourself, …

Getting Brave with The Twitter Rabbi (ft. Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg)

May 5th, 2020


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Leading A Non-Profit During A Pandemic (ft. Dr. Tarika Barrett)

April 21st, 2020


Reshma has an honest conversation about brave and innovative leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic with Dr. Tarika Barrett, Chief Operating Officer of Girls Who Code. How does the organization support girls during the …

Realizing the Collective Political Power of Women (ft. Cecile Richards)

April 7th, 2020


Reshma sits down with one of her personal heroes, Cecile Richards, for a compelling conversation about women's political power in this episode of …

Love is Vulnerability is BRAVERY (ft. Cameron Esposito)

March 24th, 2020


On this week’s episode, Reshma sits down with comedian Cameron Esposito to talk bravery and relationships. They confront staying true to who you are, where embarrassment really comes from, and the challenges of …

Beyond Body Positivity (ft. Jessamyn Stanley)

March 10th, 2020


Are you ready to get brave about your fitness and health? Reshma gets real with Jessamyn Stanley, a body-positivity advocate and yoga teacher.  They …

Getting Through It (ft. Karine Jean-Pierre)

February 25th, 2020


Have you been putting off taking care of your mental health? Then Reshma wants you to get brave and do something to change that. This week, she has a heart to heart with the one and only Karine Jean-Pierre, author of …

The Sisterhood of Surrogacy

February 11th, 2020


This week, Reshma gets personal about her struggles with fertility and the sisterhood she found through surrogacy. She has a moving conversation with Amber, the woman who gave birth to her newborn baby. The two discuss …

Brave Parenting From The NRA’s Worst Nightmare (ft. Shannon Watts)

January 28th, 2020


Ready to brave up your parenting? Reshma sits down with Shannon Watts, a mother of five and founder of Moms Demand Action, for a conversation about the challenges of being a good parent while you're busy fighting for …

Bring Your Bravest Self To Work (ft. the hosts of Battle Tactics For Your Sexist Workplace)

January 14th, 2020


Let's start the new decade off right and start getting brave at work! The hosts of the podcast Battle Tactics for Your Sexist Workplace are armed and …

Brave, Not Perfect returns Tuesday, January 14!

January 7th, 2020


It’s a new decade, and Reshma wants to help you start it off right—this is the year to leave perfection behind and get brave! Every other Tuesday, Reshma’s coming to you with an episode about what bravery means in …

Just Start (ft. Sarah McBride)

September 10th, 2019


As women, we're taught to get everything lined up perfectly before we reach for that big dream or take the next step. But sometimes, just going for …

Ask the Dumb Question (ft. Dr. Joy Bradford & Yamani Hernandez)

September 3rd, 2019


Do you worry about sounding dumb so you avoid asking questions or speaking up in meetings? Do you write down what you want to say, or go over and over it in your head? This week Reshma explores how that starts when …

Do Something You Suck At (ft. Paola Mendoza)

August 27th, 2019


As women, we're missing out on a lot of fun. If we're bad at something, it can suck all the joy out of it. This week, Reshma explores how to break away from that perfection mindset. Her journey for joy takes her to an …

Get Some Rest (ft. Arianna Huffington)

August 23rd, 2019


You can't be brave if you're tired. As Reshma says, every woman she  knows is tired because of all the responsibilities we're taking on. This  week, Reshma's forced to take her own advice and get some rest. Plus, she …

Use Your Hands (ft. Angela Duckworth)

August 20th, 2019


Does the idea of putting together furniture or changing a flat tire overwhelm you? Reshma explores the way young girls are discouraged from working through challenges and sitting with frustration—and how that impacts us …

Let’s Get Physical (ft. Madame Gandhi)

August 13th, 2019


Let’s work that bravery muscle—literally! Reshma explores the ways we’ve been teaching young girls to be fearful and gives you a bravery challenge to …

Stop People Pleasing (ft. Elaine Welteroth)

August 6th, 2019


Is worrying what other people think holding you back? Reshma explores how we can stop giving so many fucks. Tune in for Reshma’s musical debut. Stay …

Brave, Not Perfect Returns Aug. 6 for Season 4!

August 1st, 2019


Ready to get brave? It's time to break away from the cult of perfection with your bravery coach, Reshma Saujani. This season, she's inviting you on a …

Get Caught Trying (feat. Robin Maxkii)

March 20th, 2019


Robin Maxkii is a Native American technology activist, filmmaker, and writer. Robin first taught herself to use computers at the public library. …

Get Brave, Get Paid (Ft. Claire Wasserman of Ladies Get Paid)

March 13th, 2019


Claire Wasserman is the incredibly brave woman behind Ladies Get Paid - an organization that provides the tools, resources, and a community to help …

Play for Team Brave (Ft. Susan McPherson)

March 6th, 2019


Susan McPherson is a serial connector, angel investor, and corporate responsibility expert. This week on the Brave, Not Perfect podcast, tune in to hear Reshma in conversation with her friend Susan about playing for …

I made a mistake, deal with it. (ft. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez)

February 27th, 2019


Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was a waiter, an activist, a girl from the Bronx who took on one of the most powerful men in New York City… and …

Channeling your Brave (Ft. Danielle Weisberg & Carly Zakin of TheSkimm)

February 20th, 2019


The more successful you become, the harder it feels to take big risks. This week on the Brave Not Perfect podcast, Reshma talks with Danielle …

Find Your Ledge (ft. Rha Goddess)

February 13th, 2019


What’s the one thing you’re most afraid of doing? The thing that if you could do it, you know it would make a major difference for you in your life? …

Is Imperfection an Option for Women of Color? (ft. Blavity's Morgan DeBaun)

February 6th, 2019


It's been said time and time again that women of color have to work twice as hard to earn half as much as their white counterparts. So this week on …

Start Before You're Ready (ft. Brit Morin)

January 30th, 2019


Brit Morin always wanted to be an inventor - and when the internet entered her world, she learned to infuse her love of creativity with technology. …

When the Perfect Girl Grows Up (ft. Rachel Simmons)

January 23rd, 2019


Rachel Simmons thinks that inside, we’re all still teenage girls. On our first episode of Season 3, join noted girlhood researcher Rachel Simmons and Brave, Not Perfect host Reshma Saujani for a conversation on growing …

Brave, Not Perfect returns Jan. 23, 2019 for Season 3!

January 16th, 2019


We're coming back to your ears for Season 3 - sharing the conversations Reshma has been having with changemakers from around the world - with a little twist. Every episode is going to highlight ideas from her new book, …

Chloe Taylor

December 19th, 2018


Chloe Taylor's STEM story started when she wanted to meet boys at a co-ed science camp - instead, she found a love for robotics. After getting her degree from Carnegie Mellon and being lauded as an innovator, she became …

Haven Coleman

December 12th, 2018


She may be small, but won't stopping her from making a difference! Haven Coleman is a 12 year old climate activist who proves there’s no age or …

Yelitsa Jean-Charles

December 5th, 2018


Yelitsa Jean-Charles is the Founder & Creative Director of Healthy Roots - a doll company focused on promoting positive self-perceptions in girls …

Clemantine Wamariya

November 28th, 2018


Clemantine Wamariya fled war-torn Rwanda with her older sister Claire in 1994, when she was just six years old. In 2018, she published the New York …

Natalia Quintero

November 21st, 2018


What’s holding women back from parity in finance? Natalia Quintero joins Reshma for a conversation on breaking up the boys club of investing, the …

Dre Thomas

November 14th, 2018


Growing up in a single parent household and sharing basics like clothing, shoes, soap and underwear with her older siblings, Dre Thomas knew she …

Yeshimabeit Milner

November 7th, 2018


Data is powerful - and Yeshimabeit Milner, founder of Data for Black Lives, is using it to make a difference. Tune in for a conversation about the …

Tulsi Gabbard

October 31st, 2018


Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard is a politician, environmental advocate, veteran and a dedicated surfer - and she knows a thing or two about bravery. …

Liz Plank

October 24th, 2018


Join Liz Plank and Reshma for a conversation that runs the gamut from toxic masculinity to Iceland to sexuality and the Kavanaugh hearings. Liz is a …

Robin Arzon

October 17th, 2018


Tune in for something epic. This week, Reshma sits down with Robin Arzon, VP & Head Instructor at Peloton. She’s a bestselling author, …


October 10th, 2018


Lizzo knows a thing or two about self care - and she knows the universe is looking out for her and her girls. In a special SISTERH>>D episode, tune in this week for a conversation between Reshma and hip hop …

Rebecca Traister

October 3rd, 2018


Get "Good and Mad" with bestselling feminist writer Rebecca Traister and Reshma on this week’s episode of Brave, Not Perfect. Tune in to hear Rebecca …

Brave, Not Perfect returns October 3rd!

September 26th, 2018


Ready to get inspired? We're back with all new interviews with Rebecca Traister, Clemantine Wamariya, Tulsi Gabbard and more! Leave the fear of …

Rayouf Alhumedhi

July 4th, 2018


Unless you were looking, you might have missed it - until 2017, hijabi women weren’t represented on the Emoji keyboard! Rayouf Alhumedhi was 15 when she realized it, and decided to do something. This week, she and …

Kelly Roberts

June 27th, 2018


For Kelly Roberts, bravery is going for a run in her sports bra. Hear from She Can and She Did founder Kelly Roberts on how she is redefining what strength looks and feels like. This week, Reshma and Kelly discuss the …

Cristina Jiménez Moreta

June 20th, 2018


Cristina Moreta has been fighting for immigrant rights her whole life. Today, Reshma re-airs her conversation with Cristina - with additional …

Ashley Edwards

June 13th, 2018


Healing from the trauma of systemic oppression is hard - but Ashley Edwards is making it a possibility for youth of color in communities across the …

Natalia Ramirez

June 6th, 2018


19 years old and undocumented in 2018 America - Natalia is as brave as they come. And she hasn’t let her status keep her from following her dreams. …

Lauren Foundos

May 30th, 2018


She felt like one of the guys while trading on the Wall Street floor, but Lauren Foundos really found her strength when she left finance to start a fitness company, FORTË. Tune in this week as Reshma and Lauren talk …

Deepti Sharma

May 23rd, 2018


Starting a business and flying alone with her son for the first time - Deepti Sharma is exercising her bravery muscle in every aspect of her life. Tune into the Brave, Not Perfect Podcast to hear Reshma and Deepti talk …

Allison Yarrow

May 16th, 2018


Back in the 90s, Allison Yarrow slapped her friend across the face. This year, she wrote a book about the word that started it all: Bitch. Hear …

Amani Al-Khatahtbeh

May 9th, 2018


After experiencing Islamaphobia and racism firsthand in a post-9/11 America, Amani Al-Khatahtbeh felt alone. At age 17, Amani created media site MuslimGirl, giving girls all over the English-speaking world a platform to …

Atima Lui

May 2nd, 2018


Not all nudes were created equal. Atima Lui’s company is out to change that. NUDEST is building skin-tone matching technology to help people of every …

Mónica Ramírez

April 25th, 2018


Mónica Ramírez went to the Golden Globes this year- but you haven't seen her on screen. Mónica is the co-founder & President of Alianza Nacional …

Corinne Gilliard

April 18th, 2018


If you were a producer with Oprah's TV network, would you ever leave? Corinne Gilliard did, and it might just be her bravest moment. Hear about her …

Molly Wood

April 11th, 2018


Molly Wood, the host of Marketplace Tech, just had “the talk” with her son. No, not that talk. The one about digital privacy and protecting yourself …

Sophie Shrand

April 6th, 2018


How do you combine degrees in theater and behavioral neuroscience? Sophie Shrand has got it figured out! Shrand hosts her own children's YouTube series 'Science with Sophie'. Playing herself and a variety of quirky …

Stacey Abrams

March 30th, 2018


Stacey Abrams is running for governor in Georgia. If elected, she would become the first African American female governor in the United States- but …

Lane Murdock

March 23rd, 2018


Lane Murdock is a 15-year-old sophomore at Ridgefield High School and the architect of a nationwide walkout, scheduled for April 20, to protest gun …

Karina Givargisoff

March 16th, 2018


Karina Givargisoff is the founder of the first-ever non-profit fashion media brand, Mission Magazine. In this episode, Karina and Reshma get into the beauty of making mistakes, pursuing your passions, and the importance …

Cristina Jiménez Moreta

March 9th, 2018


Cristina Jiménez Moreta has been fighting for immigrant rights her whole life. As the co-founder and executive director of the advocacy group 'United …

Q&A: 3/07/2018

March 7th, 2018


You ask. Reshma answers! This is the first Q&A episode of 'Brave, Not Perfect'. Want to be featured in a future Q&A episode? Be sure to send in your questions to or call in …

Tony Jack

March 2nd, 2018


Anthony 'Tony' Jack, an Assistant Professor of Education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education explains the concept of the 'Privileged Poor' …

Q&A: 2/28/2018

February 28th, 2018


You ask. Reshma answers!

This is the first Q&A episode of 'Brave, Not Perfect'. Want to
be featured in a future Q&A episode? Be sure to send in your questions to or call in …

Tiffany Dufu

February 24th, 2018


Tiffany Dufu, author, Chief Leadership Officer at Levo, and mother of two, is getting away from the curse of perfection. In this episode, Tiffany breaks down what it means to 'Drop The Ball' and how having it all …

Coming Soon: Brave, Not Perfect

February 20th, 2018


Brave, Not Perfect features interviews with brave change makers in tech, politics and business. It’s hosted by Reshma Saujani, CEO of Girls Who Code, …

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