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What happens when musicians talk about the things that hurt, heal and change us in Church culture? The pod that gets real about everything from faith and mental health, to creativity and the music industry. Consider us your weekly coffee date.

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February 22nd, 2024


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Ep 166 - CITY PSALMS: Uniting a city through humility and song

February 23rd, 2024


We kick off a new season of Between You & Me with an amazing music collective! Meet City Psalms, the cross-church non-profit from Tuscon Arizona. …

Ep 165 - JUSTIN GAMBINO: I am the Prodigal Son

December 9th, 2023


We are closing 2023 with the one and only Justin Gambino! Catch the candid face to face chat Jess and Justin had in Nashville, where they talk about Justin's radical journey through national service, addiction, PTSD, …

NEW ARTIST SHOWCASE - Surrender The Tides

December 1st, 2023


It's our favorite time of the month - NEW ARTIST SHOWCASE is here, and we are introducing you to a long time friend of Jess. This is Surrender The Tides, aka Ryan Jensen - a Denver based alt rock artist unafraid to …

Ep 163 - TIFFANY HUDSON: The risk of vulnerability

November 27th, 2023


Tiffany Hudson could be Christian music's best kept secret - until now. Because this Grammy award winning songwriter ("Graves Into Gardens" anyone?) …

Ep 162 - LUCY GRIMBLE: Finding God in the letting go

November 18th, 2023


After years as an independent artist, UK based Lucy Grimble was stoked to release her label debut. The problem? She was experiencing darkness and …

Ep 161: FELLOWSHIP CREATIVE: Creating The Help Project to support teen mental health

November 1st, 2023


A church that connects teens to mental health resources and creates worship music reflecting this? Yes please! Fellowship Creative from Texas speak to Jess about the genesis of The Help Project - an album and a resource …


October 20th, 2023


Meet upcoming SoCal band Hopeful. Influenced by the sound of surf rock, Switchfoot and the Killers, their tunes have becomes fast favorites at …

Ep 159: GARY PINTO - Purpose beyond center stage

October 13th, 2023


Gary Pinto is one of Australia's most acclaimed musicians. With a career spanning three decades, he is as comfortable behind the scenes as he is on stage. Topping the charts, cowriting for the greats, and acting as a …

Ep 158 - CHOSEN ROAD: The sound of small town America

October 6th, 2023


Hailing from the Appalachian mountains, Chosen Road are a bluegrass and country band on a mission - to share hope, Jesus, and some good tunes with small town America. After the release of their top 5 charting album "The …

Ep 157 - NATHAN SHERIDAN: Your pain is not your identity

September 28th, 2023


Worship leader and musician Nathan Sheridan knows how powerful stories can be. After growing up with estranged parents and losing his sister to …


September 11th, 2023


Welcome to New Artist Showcase! Yes, this is still the same Between You & Me podcast - but every month we are highlighting an emerging artist we think you will love. To kick us off, meet Joel Hunt, an Aussie …

Ep 155 - CHRIS LLEWELLYN: I won't give up on the Church

September 1st, 2023


As a member of Rend Collective, Chris Llewellyn is known for joyful worship music and dressing up like a panda. But on the release of his debut solo …

Ep 154 - LESLIE JORDAN: Breaking taboos

August 25th, 2023


Acclaimed songwriter Leslie Jordan first made waves as a member of All Sons & Daughters. Today, she is a staff songwriter at Integrity, a non profit founder and a blueberry farmer (iykyk), On the release of her EP …

Ep 153 - MITCH WONG: Aussie expats, storytelling and being honest

August 13th, 2023


Meet Aussie musician Mitch Wong. With a GRAMMY to his name, he is one of Australia's most successful musical expats in Nashville, and has written for …

Ep 152 - BRAD ALDEN & DANIELLE MOWRY: Breaking shame and epic love stories

August 4th, 2023


Meet Brad Alden and Danielle Mowry. They are worship artists, fashion moguls, entrepreneurs and all round legends. One was a Pastor's Kid, the other …

Ep 151 - SUNDAY DRIVE: Joy and longevity

July 28th, 2023


As a family band, Sunday Drive is literally and metaphorically always on the road. And after a decade making music for southern gospel lovers, they broke a glass ceiling with the latest album "Breaking Boundaries". …

Ep 150 - SOUNDS OF SOMNIA: Miracles and metal music

July 21st, 2023


TW: Mental health and suicide

Meet Aussie musician Rhys Nelson. Known by his moniker Sounds of Somnia, he creates cinematic music that captures the human experience. And when it comes to his journey through mental …

Ep 149 - BLISSBLISS: Choosing to be hopeful

July 9th, 2023


Fans of the golden era of Christian music get excited, because icons Renee Garcia Bliss and Lang Bliss - aka BlissBliss, are back! After topping …

Ep 148 - JON SHABAGLIAN: Developing leaders with integrity

June 23rd, 2023


Once upon a time, musician Jon Shabaglian performed on stages alongside Switchfoot, Tree 63 and Larue. But dig deeper, and you find there's a whole …

Ep 147 - RYAN STEVENSON: Letting go of religious legalism

June 12th, 2023


Pull up a seat fam, because Ryan Stevenson is back and we have A LOT to catch up on. He tells us about his new album ABLE, which is basically the …

Ep 146 - STOCKHOLM WORSHIP: Eric Liljero on the Other Side of pain, the media and tragedy

June 10th, 2023


Hailing from Sweden, Stockholm Worship represent a fresh offshore sound in Christian Music. The creative expression of Hillsong Church in Sweden, …

Ep 145 - JIMI CRAVITY: The open table of God

June 2nd, 2023


Jimi Cravity is a musical shapeshifter. An artist, songwriter, record producer, multi-instrumentalist, label owner, and fashion designer, he has …

Ep 144 - MIKE DONEHEY: Grace in the Gray of Faith, church and Christian Music

May 26th, 2023


Welcome to a new season of Between You & Me. And are back with a big one! People know Dove Award winning singer Mike Donehey from his time with Tenth Avenue North. Now, with the release of his book "Grace In The …

Ep 143 - BRIGITTE DONOHO: Get out of your own head

April 21st, 2023


Meet Brigitte Donoho. This award winning Massachusetts based songwriter is passionate about worship, and balances her music with motherhood and a heart for revival. Jess chats to Brigitte about what it looks like to …

Ep 142 - SARAH KROGER: Choosing courage & belovedness

April 14th, 2023


Catholic musician and worship leader Sarah Kroger is a force of steadiness in Christian music. Since her debut in 2011, she has written and …

Ep 141 - SARAH AINSLEE: Rewriting the script on celebrity culture

March 31st, 2023


Meet Sarah Ainslee – a highly caffeinated, Nashville based author and former Christian music journalist whose love of storytelling is rivalled on by her knowledge of superheroes. On the release of her debut novel "That …

Ep 140 - ROCKY WORSHIP: Mental health in Church ministry

March 24th, 2023


For Rocky Worship - the worship team at Rocky Mountain Church in northern Colorado, talking about mental health, therapy and feelings is an everyday …

Ep 139 - JON HAYES: Manipulating God & honesty

March 17th, 2023


TW: Mental illness and sexual assault

For Kalamazoo based musician Jon Hayes, authenticity is like breathing. With the release of his album “Between …

Ep 138 - NATHAN PLUMRIDGE: A broken hallelujah

March 3rd, 2023


Pop Worship musician Nathan Plumridge believes in telling honest stories. Straddling the line between heartache and hope, he has performed with some of Australia’s most beloved Christian music acts. With the release of …

Ep 137 - TIM MENZIES: A change in divine appointment

February 24th, 2023


Grammy nominated musician Tim Menzies is a stalwart in country music – writing songs for Reba McIntyre and opening for the likes of Johnny Cash and …

Ep 136 - BILLY BALLENGER: Freedom from the prison of shame

February 8th, 2023


Singer/songwriter Billy Ballenger sings about the power of God's freedom, because he has experienced it – literally. His life story includes a hidden adoption, addiction, prison time and a SWAT team. Now, 20 years later …

Ep 135 - DANIEL MULKEY: Being real in Christian music

January 6th, 2023


With the release of his debut album, “Real,” up coming country Christian artist Daniel Mulkey has created niche for himself – blending the southern …

Ep 134 – GABLE PRICE: The aesthetic of struggle & a healthy relationship with the Church

December 23rd, 2022


SURPRISE! As an early Christmas present, we have a fun conversation for you with Gable Price! This alternative rock singer from Redding, California is the lead singer for Gable Price and Friends which has been named …

Ep 133 - BENJAMIN WILLIAM HASTINGS Part 2: An evolving faith and a changing church

December 16th, 2022


Part 2 of our conversation with our favorite Irish-Australian Benjamin William Hastings is here! After opening up about his existential crisis last week, in part 2 Benjamin gets real about deconstruction and how he has …

Ep 132 - BENJAMIN WILLIAM HASTINGS Part 1: An existential crisis

December 10th, 2022


Most of us know Benjamin William Hastings as the guy from Hillsong who sings about Sequoias. But there's more to this musician from Belfast than his …

Ep 131 - SELAH: On legacy, hymns and the table of God

November 29th, 2022


For 25 years, the band SELAH have moved people with their stunning rendition of classic hymns. Now on the release of their album "Greatest Hymns Vol …

Ep 130 - MATT REDMAN: Maintaining a humble heart posture

November 21st, 2022


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO US! To celebrate, here is a special episode with Matt Redman! This GRAMMY award winning songwriter has shaped modern worship music for nearly three decades, with songs like "Heart of Worship" changing …

Ep 129 - PAUL BALOCHE: Anchor Hymns and unity

November 11th, 2022


For more than 30 years, Paul Baloche has written songs for the global church. Let's be real, "Open the Eyes of My Heart Lord" is sheer poetry! Now as …


October 28th, 2022


It's here! After flying to Nashville to cover the 53rd annual GMA Dove Awards, Jess has curated a wild, fun and chaotic snapshot of the red carpet …

Ep 127 - LEELAND: Understanding God's different definition of victory

October 18th, 2022


When Grammy nominee Leeland Mooring began experiencing anxiety attacks, he was forced to change the way he connected with God. Now after three years, the band Leeland is back with honest and compelling tunes. He tells …

Ep 126 - JUSTIN KENDRICK: The sacred mess of church community

September 28th, 2022


When it comes to intentional community, VOX Church pastor and author Justin Kendrick knows what it means to create, live in, and minister to a diverse group of people. He chats to Jess about his new book, "The Sacred …

Ep 125: JONAS MYRIN - Shine your light in the darkness

September 4th, 2022


Grammy award winning songwriter Jonas Myrin has worked with everyone from Andrea Bocelli to Michael W Smith and Lauren Daigle, becoming one of the …

Ep 124 - SEAN BE: How God repurposes your past

August 30th, 2022


When it comes to breaking into Christian music, pop artist Sean BE has it all: catchy hooks, honest lyrics, high energy…and a healthy appreciation for Veggie Tales. As a former Children's Pastor, Sean has a passion for …

Ep 123 - CHERI KEAGGY: The layers of grief and the journey to healing

August 13th, 2022


Meet Cheri Keaggy- a trailblazer and a Christian music stalwart. Nearly three decades into her career, she returns with the poignant album, "What I Know To Be True," chronicling her grief after losing her father to …

Ep 122 - LOCAL SOUND: The un-glamorous reality of doing community

August 5th, 2022


Nashville based music collective Local Sound stemmed from house church movement My Local , and on the heels of their new album "This is My Local," …

Ep 121 - ELIAS DUMMER: Rethinking the Church's love of power, sex money – and justice

August 1st, 2022


Elias Dummer doesn't pull punches when it comes to living out his faith. Best known for his work with The City Harmonic, his solo career has set him …

Ep 120 - THE WOOD DRAKE SESSIONS: Returning to hope through the path of pain

July 15th, 2022


Meet the Wood Drake sessions. Comprised of musicians and ministers Paul Ranheim and Kirk Sauers, the long-time friends began songwriting over Zoom …

Ep 119 - CITIZENS Part 2: Zach Bolen on revelations learned in therapy and Mars Hill

July 8th, 2022


In Part 2 of our exclusive interview with CITIZENS, Zach Bolen opens up more about the evolution of their EP, "A Thousand Shores,". Naturally, it …

Ep 118 - CITIZENS Part 1: Zach Bolen on deconstruction & dignity

July 1st, 2022


Seattle based CITIZENS have never fit into a box – and in their new EP 'A Thousand Shores' (which borders on *cough* deconstruction) they push the envelope on what it means to make Christian music. Hear Part 1 of this …

Ep 117 - DAVIS EVANOFF: The destruction of self

May 12th, 2022


Meet Davis Evanoff. Named one of 'Columbus' 20 Artists To Watch' by Tuned Up in 2020, this producer and songwriter has released a cinematic …

Ep 116 - THOMAS MUGLIA: I became a friend of God

April 20th, 2022


Arizona based songwriter Thomas Muglia never set out to become a Christian musician. But things changed when the then coffee house muso was knocked …

Ep 115 - ROCK CITY WORSHIP: Worshipping in spirit & truth

March 27th, 2022


Meet Rock City Worship: the musicians, pastors and songwriters who serve at Rock City Church in Columbus, Ohio. With the release of their debut …

Ep 114 - LYNDA RANDLE - Building bridges with Spirituals, story & song

February 26th, 2022


To coincide with Black History Month, Gospel stalwart Lynda Randle tells Jess about her new album “Pilgrim Journey” - a collection of Spirituals that …

Ep 113 - Meet up and coming New England band RIGHT HAND SHADE

February 11th, 2022


Meet Right Hand Shade, the New England four piece who have become one of the most in demand acts of the North East, sharing the stage with Toby Mac, For King & Country, Switchfoot, Crowder and Michael W Smith. Jess …

Ep 112 - SHANE & SHANE: How the Bible invites us to be brutally honest with God

January 22nd, 2022


Who's ready for an in depth interview with iconic worship duo Shane & Shane?! To start 2022, Jess talks to Shane Everett and Shane Barnard about …

Ep 111 - MŌRIAH SMALLBONE: Creating authentic, desperate music

December 29th, 2021


We are closing out 2021 with the one and only Moriah Smallbone! A long-time friend of the BY&M fam, she tells Jess about her bold, …

Ep 110 - JONATHAN & EMILY MARTIN: The life changing story of Christmas

December 17th, 2021


You could say that Jonathan and Emily Martin are experts at celebrating Christmas – they've spent six months on their Advent album "Tell Me The …

Ep 109 - JASON CLAYBORN & STEPHEN MCWHIRTER: Creating a Kingdom sound

December 9th, 2021


Gospel superstar Jason Clayborn and worship artist Stephen McWhirter come from two entirely different worlds. Together, they have created some of the …

Ep 108 - JASON CRABB: Living wholeheartedly

November 19th, 2021


Jason Crabb is a Christian music icon – winning GRAMMY's, breaking out as a solo artist from the Crabb Family and selling out tours. He's here to …

Ep 107 - ANNA GOLDEN: The purpose for the pain

November 12th, 2021


Not many people leave behind the fame of Radio Disney from CCM - but emerging worship artist Anna Golden is forging a new path in Christian music. …

Ep 106 - FOR THE FATHERLESS: Parenthood & Poetry

November 5th, 2021


Brian and Christa Yak are For The Fatherless - the pop/worship duo, who believe honest stories can bring healing from any tragedy. Brian and Christa tell Jess how the loss of their individual father's shaped their lives …

Ep 105 - PEYTON GARLAND: Living with OCD and Religious Trauma

October 24th, 2021


Meet Peyton Garland, an author and wanna be rapper who shared her story about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with the world in her book "Not So By …

Ep 104 - BETH WHITNEY: The ebb and flow of grief

October 8th, 2021


"Wild orchestral folk" singer/songwriter Beth Whitney knows grief well – early in her music career, she unexpectedly lost her brother. And come 2019, …

Ep 103 - TASHA LAYTON: Living with fire & freedom

October 1st, 2021


In 2020, Tasha Layton was named one of Billboard’s Top 5 Christian Female Vocalists – culminating in her uber-successful EP "Look What You've Done". …

Ep 102 - STEELE CROSWHITE: Jesus, love & rock 'n roll

September 14th, 2021


Steele Croswhite isn’t your average Worship Pastor. For one, he has a rockstar name. And two, well, he is actually a rockstar. Steele has opened for bands like The Almost and Maroon Five. Now, he runs the worship …

Ep 101 - SADDLEBACK WORSHIP: The unchanging character of God

September 3rd, 2021


In the middle of a pandemic, what does it mean for a church to be "Alive & Well"? Out today, the team at Saddleback Worship have dropped a new album, grappling with the near-loss of a team member to COVID-19. Jess …

Ep 100 - PREACHERSnSNEAKERS: Ben Kirby on fame, faith & footwear

August 24th, 2021


It's PARTY time! To celebrate episode 100, we chat with Ben Kirby - the founder of PreachersNSneakers. He gets real about fame, deconstructing faith, and dealing with church hurt. Then Jess answers your questions and …

Ep 99 - THE ERWINS: The God we know

August 5th, 2021


Meet The Erwins – the GRAMMY nominated southern gospel band that just released their eighth record, all before the age of 30. Jess chats to siblings Keith, Kodi, Kris and Katie about their new record, "This Is Love," …

Ep 98 - JAMESON KETCHUM: Seeking creative truth through trendy altruism and punk rock

August 5th, 2021


Journalist, author, publicist and all-round legend Jameson Ketchum joins us today as we celebrate the release of his memoir Namedropping. After working with some of the most influential bands in the alternative scene, …

Ep 97 - ERSKIN: Changing paradigms in Christian culture

August 5th, 2021


Meet Erskin Anavitarte, a multi-talented musician who crosses genres while advocating for the persecuted church, adoption, and diversity. Jess speaks …

Ep 96 - ELLIE HOLCOMB: Finding joy in the canyon

August 5th, 2021


Award winning folk singer and certified ray of sunshine Ellie Holcomb tells Jess about her new album CANYON. They get real about finding joy without …

Ep 93 - BLAKE REYNOLDS: Communicating with honesty

August 5th, 2021


Blake Reynolds is an emerging artist who gives fans of Top 40 radio a gateway into Christian Music – and with a blend of pop, gospel and alternative …

Ep 95 - TEMITOPE: The multicultural heart of God

July 23rd, 2021


Who is ready for a wonderfully uncomfortable conversation with Temitope? This new Nashville worship singer uses 'horizontal worship' to empower the …

Ep 94 - REKESHIA BENNETT: Finding your voice

July 23rd, 2021


Up and coming Gospel artist Rekeshia Bennet knows all about starting again – after a lifetime pursuing music, she had to redefine her identity once she was married and became a mom. She tells Jess about what it means to …

Ep 92 - HOPE DARST: Pursuing God's presence over His promises

July 20th, 2021


Today Hope Darst is a signed worship artist whose work has been played by millions of people across the world. With the release of her debut album, "Peace Be Still," Hope tells Jess how her journey has been 15 years in …

Ep 91 - TODD McVICKER: Laying down pride

July 20th, 2021


Meet Todd McVicker – an upcoming artist based in Atlanta who is changing the sound of Christian music. With slick RnB tones and more than 60,000 Spotify plays, Todd's EP Finished With Fighting, is all about choosing …

Ep 90 - ALVIN GARRETT: Living in the lightness of love

July 20th, 2021


On the season finale of our #BetterTogether series, Jess chats with the legendary Alvin Garrett! After the year that was 2020, the Grammy nominated songwriter has done the impossible – he found joy. Listen to hear Alvin …

Ep 89 - SEU WORSHIP: Diversity, innovation and prophetic pop

July 20th, 2021


If you haven't heard of SEU Worship yet, they're about to take over your Spotify playlist. The musical expression of SEU University in Lakeland Florida, they pioneer prophetic pop for Gen Z. Jess chats to their worship …

Ep 88 - AUSTIN AND LINDSEY ADAMEC: To be a people marked by His presence

July 20th, 2021


Meet Austin and Lindsey Adamec - the worship duo who left their successful careers in Nashville to pursue community in their hometown of …

Ep 87 - ROSS KING: A candid conversation about politics, race and being the villain

July 17th, 2021


What happens when an Evangelical realizes they aren't the hero in the story? Our friend Ross King tells us about the questions that led him to record the song, "All My Heroes Are Underdogs." And, he shares what …

Ep 86 - I AM THEY: Bearing our scars and stories

July 17th, 2021


Pop worship band I AM THEY decided to be the band that told the truth. On their third album Faithful God, it means they bravely tell stories about …

Ep 85 – DAVID ZACH of Remedy Drive: Defeating religious nationalism and a Messiah Complex

July 17th, 2021


He's a rockstar, an abolitionist and an evangelical rebel - our friend David Zach is back and you better strap in. Jess and David talk about Remedy …

Ep 84 - CROSSCUT COLLECTIVE: Collaborating on a global scale

July 17th, 2021


Meet Crosscut Collective – the upcoming musical collective founded by Methven (Mev) Forbes in the UK. Designed to give independent christian …

Ep 83 - HIM & HER WORSHIP: Putting down roots

July 17th, 2021


Seth and Jenna Herlich are Him + Her Worship - a dynamite married couple, who create acoustic, folk worship masterpieces. Minimalists and prolific …

Ep 82 - PHIL JOEL: How to leave the world better than we found it

July 16th, 2021


Phil Joel is a three times Grammy nominated musician, a Newsboy, an author, and a vegan. Now back in New Zealand, tells Jess about his new solo EP, …

Ep 81 - ORPHAN NO MORE: Grief and hope in community

July 14th, 2021


Orphan No More are a music collective from Bath, England - and they sound nothing like your typical Christian musician. The community pairs …

Ep 80 - NCC WORSHIP: Politics and faith the Jesus way

July 14th, 2021


The US Evangelical Church has never been more divided, and following the coup at Capitol Hill on Jan 6, many of us have lost hope for justice and …

Ep 79 - FAINTHEART: Growing out of Evangelical Christianity

July 14th, 2021


Indie rock band Faintheart aren't afraid to explore hurt and healing after growing up in America's Bible Belt - which makes them the PERFECT band to start 2021 with! Jess chats to Kansas City based members Riley Corbin …

Ep 78 - JOEL VAUGHN: Defeating the lie of unworthiness

July 14th, 2021


Joel Vaughn's songs have blasted airwaves on Christian radio - but behind the scenes he's struggled to define success and what it means to be worthy of God's love. He gets candid with Jess and talks about his new EP …

Ep 77 - LZ7: Lindz West on transforming lives

July 14th, 2021


*Trigger warning: Conversation includes discussion about mental illness, self injury and suicide*

Lindz West left a career in uber successful …

Ep 76 - CB WORSHIP: The main thing is Jesus

June 2nd, 2021


For CB Worship - the musical expression of Crossroads Church Benson, in North Carolina, the main thing is always Jesus. But that's easier said than …

Ep 75 - KE'ERRON: Healing heart wounds

May 23rd, 2021


Met Ke’erron – a Texas based worship leader by way of Trinidad, with enough soul to pull off his superstar name. He chats to Jess about his new album …

Ep 74 - Canyon Worship: The next generation sounds off on Christian Music

May 23rd, 2021


Get ready to hear the next generation of Christian Music. The worship arts students at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix, Arizona are Canyon Worship, and they have poured their hearts into their 2020 album. Jess speaks …

Ep 73 - Jaime Jamgochian: Is God really good?

May 23rd, 2021


Is God really good? Acclaimed singer songwriter Jaime Jamgochian was faced with that question when she was diagnosed with Lyme Disease in 2018. She tells Jess how her journey to healing inspired her new album, “All …

EP 72 - ONE CHURCH MUSIC: Using Music to Unite Us

May 23rd, 2021


Get ready to have your hope in the Church restored. Meet One Church Music - the musical expression of One Church in Columbus Ohio. When they heard …

Ep 71 - Jonathan And Emily Martin: Living Out Generation Worship Off Screen

March 22nd, 2021


How do you make worship a normal, healthy part of your family? Over 10 years, musicians Jonathan and Emily Martin have tried, failed and learned how to love God, each other and their kids well while living on the road. …

Ep 70 - ORÎ: Coming out and finding faith (Explicit)

January 15th, 2021


Greg Winningham is ORÎ - the hope filled, pop infused artist who is unafraid to talk about the intersection of faith, music and sexuality. To mark National Coming Out Day, ORÎ tells us about growing up in a conservative …

Ep 69 - BRANDON LAKE: Holy rowdiness and forgiving the Church

January 15th, 2021


Brandon Lake is the new guy on the block with Bethel music, but over the years he has earned a Grammy nomination, and worked with everyone from Tasha Cobbs Leonard and Elevation Worship to Maverick City Music. He tells …

Ep 68 - MODERN DAY CURE: Living in the middle of the mess

January 15th, 2021


Tamar and Aaron Chipp are Modern Day Cure - the worship duo who take the highs of lows of faith and create an anthem for people to seek God. They tell us all about their new single, "My Rescue" and how their greatest …

Ep 67 - THROWBACK with CRYSTAL LEWIS: Beauty For Ashes (1996)

January 15th, 2021


We all grew up singing, "People Get Ready, Jesus Is Comin" thanks to the legend that is Crystal Lewis - but how did the song, and her album Beauty For Ashes change her life? 24 years since the album became a mainstay in …

Ep 66 - NICOLE UNSER & Myth Busting Mental Illness in the Church

January 15th, 2021


To recognise World Suicide Prevention Day, Nicole Unser joins us to talk about her new documentary 'Bittersweet Sixteen,' and how her family …

EP 65 - LEGIN: Political gods and racial reconciliation

October 9th, 2020


What happens when Christians make a God of politics? Acclaimed hip hip artist Legin drops by to tell us about his new EP In This Moment, and why …

Ep 64 - COMMUNITY MUSIC: Ep 64 - COMMUNITY MUSIC: Lucas and Evelyn Cortazio on Creating Culture

August 21st, 2020


Lucas and Evelyn Cortazio are more than worship pastors for Community Church in Chicago – they are passionate culture setters, who bring their …

Ep 61 – FEARLESS BND: Chris and Jeremy Johnson on living as a fearless, authentic Church

August 19th, 2020


What does it look like to be a fearless church in the face of global uncertainty? Christy and Jeremy Johnson from Fearless BND – the musical …

Ep 59 - RIVER VALLEY WORSHIP: Off-script religion in a broken city

August 19th, 2020


When Minneapolis church River Valley Worship found themselves at the epicentre of racial unrest and a global pandemic, they learned to go off-script …

Ep 62 - THROWBACK w/- RACHAEL LAMPA 'Live For You' 20th Anniversary

August 19th, 2020


It's the 20th anniversary of Rachael Lampa's debut album Live For You! Can you believe that at just 15, Rachael had record breaking sales, four #1 …

EP 63 - TRAMPOLINES: The Jesus Loving band your mom hates

August 19th, 2020


Our chat with EDM/pop duo Trampolines has it all: Talk about cultural sensitivity as a missionary. Comparing Jesus to Chocolate Cake. Overcoming …

Ep 60 - Chris Sebastian: The Voice, the man & the world changer

July 18th, 2020


Aussie muso Chris Sebastian is here to help us celebrate 60 episodes and our PATREON! Days before he hits the stage for the Grand Final of The Voice …

Ep 58 - RYAN STEVENSON: On parenthood and telling a true story

July 3rd, 2020


2020 has been a year of chaos, but Ryan Stevenson is living proof that it’s a year for miracles. The Grammy nominated musician tells us how his baby girl and latest album “Wildest Dreams” came into the world ON THE SAME …

Ep 57- SAMMY WARD: The Cataclysmic CCM Comeback

June 19th, 2020


Sammy Ward is back 20 years after his first major label debut, and he is set to live the greatest (or at least most entertaining) cataclysmic CCM Comeback Story of 2020. He chatted with Jess about returning with a Hymns …

Ep 56 – JOSH BALDWIN: The secret to Church unity (in a global pandemic)

June 12th, 2020


Billboard charting worship leader Josh Baldwin became a household name when he joined Bethel Music in 2014. He talks to Jess about why he decided to …

Ep 55 - KING ANTONIO & NEVA VOID - A conversation about Christians & the Black Lives Matter movement

June 10th, 2020


King Antonio and Neva Void are rappers, ministers and speakers with Bout That Life Ministry (BTL) - a group that shares their stories of being freed from spiritual and literal incarceration with the world to create …

Ep 54 - MORIAH SMALLBONE: Becoming a Lead Lady

June 5th, 2020


Moriah Smallbone is a force of nature in Christian music. Whether she is singing and producing as a solo artist, a member of girl band TRALA, or as …

Ep 53 - J BLAKE WHITE: The gospel of success

May 29th, 2020


J-Blake White is a chameleon, who is just as at home performing in front of millions of people on TV, as he is interviewing celebs on the red carpet. …

Ep 52 - DJ MAJ: Dancing away the taboo of mental illness in Christian Music

May 22nd, 2020


Mike Allen - better known as Dj Maj - is a pioneer in Christian dance music, and now he is forging a new conversation about mental health. The producer and DJ tells us why he started Family Dance Parties on Instagram …

Ep 51 - JILLIAN EDWARDS: How to feed a hunger for acceptance

May 15th, 2020


Accomplished singer/songwriter Jillian Edwards has conquered Billboard, Spotify and Itunes with her blend of indie/acoustic pop. Now she is taking over Christian Music with her stunning EP 'Meadow'. Jillian chats to …

Ep 50 - BY&M LIVE with BLISS BLISS World Premiere

May 10th, 2020


Welcome to the very first BY&M LIVE SHOW! To celebrate 50 episodes, Jess joins CCM veterans Bliss Bliss for the world wide release party of their …

Ep 49 - NICOLE UNSER: Healing & hand me down religion

May 1st, 2020


*TW: Mental illness and suicide
Nicole Unser is much more than a country singer – the award winning songwriter is on a mission to bring people hope …

Ep 48 - ELLE LIMEBEAR: Dancing on tabletops and making your mark

April 24th, 2020


Elle Limebear grew up watching her dad sell out stadiums across the globe with Delirious? but she never imagined she would do the same thing...for a …

Ep 47 - RASHAWN COPELAND: Hype men & healing

April 17th, 2020


From hype man for Soulja Boy to online preacher, Rashawn Copeland has seen the best and worst of Hollywood. The host of the Stories and Scriptures …


April 10th, 2020


WELCOME HOME! Here is a gift for your Easter weekend - forty messages of hope from your favorite musicians. We asked our music making friends from across the globe to welcome you to the table as we journey through this …

NEWS: Join us for an episode of HOPE!

April 5th, 2020


To mark Good Friday, we want YOU to help us celebrate HOPE. What is your message to the world during Covid-19? If you are a music maker, lover, producer, manager or work in any capacity in the music industry, we want …

Ep 45 - HANNAH SCHAEFER: Pop & God collide

April 4th, 2020


Award winning songwriter Hannah Schaefer is a unicorn in Christian Music, marrying her Catholic faith and love of pop music to create bold, fearless …

Ep 44 - ANNA MAE: The art of being honest

March 27th, 2020


Is there room for honesty in pop music? It’s an art that alt-pop musician Anna Mae has down pat, with more than 80 song placements on major TV shows, ads and movie trailers. With the release of her new EP, "If I’m Being …

Ep 43 - JEREMY CAMP: Why I still believe

March 13th, 2020


Grammy nominated singer Jeremy Camp is here to chat about his new biopic "I Still Believe", starring KJ Apa and Britt Robertson. Out this weekend world wide, Jeremy tells us what it was like to revisit the story of …

Ep 42 - SAMANTHA AND LUKE NELSON: Living for a purpose

March 7th, 2020


Individually Samantha and Luke Nelson have incredible stories – they have overcome bullying, crippling self doubt, and suicide. Together, the singer …

Ep 41 - DAN KOCH PT 2: You have permission to not be in a 'Christian' band

February 28th, 2020


Dan Koch is back for part 2 of our special series unravelling Evangelical culture. This week, he talks his time in alt-rock band Sherwood, when he …

Ep 40 - DAN KOCH PT 1: You have permission to talk about the end of the world

February 21st, 2020


As a former member of Sherwood and Pacific Gold, Dan Koch knows his away around the music industry. But did you know he's also a theologian and …

Ep 39 - STEPHEN MCWHIRTER: Dropping the grave clothes of addiction and religion

February 7th, 2020


From addiction to redemption, from meth addict to worship leader – Stephen McWhirter’s story will blow your mind. The musician formerly of Iron Bell Music joins us to talk about his new EP “Grave Clothes,” and gets real …

Ep 38 - BRANDON OAKS: Co-writing and learning to say 'no'

January 25th, 2020


Meet multi-instrumentalist Brandon Oaks - the worship leader who dropped everything to live in a missional community with the International House of …

Ep 37 - John Tibbs: Living a Wild Story and Loving People like Jesus

January 10th, 2020


Mid-westerner John Tibbs is on a mission to release three EP’s in 18 months, and his new single, “One Good Try” is out today. He opens up about how his struggle with a stutter, injury and doubt has shaped his faith, and …

Ep 36 - SARA GROVES: Nativity, Justice and the Longing Heart

December 20th, 2019


Sara Groves joins us for a Christmas episode to tell us about her new album 'Joy of Every Longing Heart'. She opens up about the beauty of the Nativity story, why Jesus and justice go together, and how she overcame …

Ep 35 - HEIGHTS MUSIC: Creating the Song Your Church Needs

December 13th, 2019


What would it look like to create a song for your church? This week we talk to the team at Heights Music about their EP ‘Father of Hope’ – a project …

Ep 34 - JOEL MCKERROW: Breaking the Fishbowl of Privilege

December 2nd, 2019


Award winning spoken word Poet Joel McKerrow joins us this week to chat about his new book Woven: A Spirituality for the Dissatisfied. We talk about deconstructing religion, understanding privilege, and why even the …

Ep 33 - ZACHARY RAY: Grief, Hope and Believing Again

November 15th, 2019


On this week's episode we meet upcoming artist Zachary Ray. A graduate of the Berkley College of Music, he has worked in Calcutta, India for nearly a …

Ep 32 - HILLSONG WORSHIP: Jad Gillies talks reviving the church

November 8th, 2019


SUPRISE! Jad Gillies from Hillsong Worship is here to chat about their new album Awake! In this short and sweet episode, he gets real about what it takes for revival to actually happen in the Church, and talks about …

Ep 31 - BLISSBLISS: Marriage, Mission and Motown

November 1st, 2019


Separately, Renée Garcia Bliss and Lang Bliss have toured the globe and released Grammy nominated albums. Together, they are BlissBliss – the …

Ep 30 - TAYLOR TRIPODI: The difference between Identity and Calling

October 18th, 2019


Taylor Tripodi has been named one of the 30 best upcoming Catholic artists in the world, but her music hasn’t come without struggle. Taylor tells us …

EP 29 - Q&A with Jess

October 7th, 2019


CONTENT WARNING: References to spiritual and religious trauma, mental health and suicide

This week Jess answers your questions, and tells us about the inspiration behind the podcast. Plus, guest host Rachel Jane joins to …

Ep 28 - KRISSY NORDHOFF: Becoming brave in life and worship

September 20th, 2019


Krissy Nordhoff's song have been recorded by everyone from Natalie Grant to Lauren Daigle, and it seems like all the big names in Christian music have recorded music by the co-founder of BRAVE Worship - but it wasn't an …

Ep 27 - RACHAEL LAMPA: When everything changes

September 6th, 2019


Hold the phone, because Rachael Lampa is back! After dropping her first hit at 14, the queen of 00s CCM tells us why she stepped back from music in …

Ep 26 - HALE: Synth tones, deconstruction and overcoming loneliness

August 23rd, 2019


Cory Hale Williams knows how to evoke emotion in people, and under the moniker HALE he has created some Soundstripe's most notable ambient tracks. We talk to the Nashville artist about defining success in a competitive …

BONUS EP - What the heck is happening with so many Christians losing their faith?

August 15th, 2019


Between Joshua Harris and Marty Sampson 'renouncing' their faith, it's been a WEEK in the Christian world. So where do we go from here? In this bonus episode, Jess unravels what happened in the media, and explores why …

Ep 25 — ROSS KING: Let's talk about Anxiety

August 10th, 2019


Is there room to talk about depression and anxiety in Christian Music? Stellar songwriter Ross King tells us what inspired him to share his greatest struggles through the song, ‘Things That I’m Afraid Of’.

Connect …

Ep 24 - BRADY TOOPS: Reality TV and unravelling religion

July 26th, 2019


Are you ready to unravel your faith? This week we talk to singer/songwriter and all round legend Brady Toops. Yup, he's the dude from The Bachelorette, but Brady's done a lot more than that. He tells us about …

Ep 23 - SYDNEY GUERRETTE & DEIDRE CATLETT : What's missing from the Pro Life argument

July 12th, 2019


What happens when the pro life/pro choice debate becomes real in your own life? This week we talk to singer/songwriter Sydney Guerrette, a near …

Ep 22 - ROBBIE REIDER OF CROSSROADS MUSIC: Worshipping through grief

June 28th, 2019


Crossroads Music is the creative expression of one of the largest churches in the US, but their songwriting took a different turn after the loss of a pastor to cancer. We talk to their National Music Director Robbie …

Ep 21 - DARA MACLEAN: Daring to believe for bigger things

June 15th, 2019


With international radio hits and Billboard charting albums, Dara Maclean was the golden girl of Christian Music in 2011. Six years after her last …

Ep 20 - BINLEY: Faith + chronic illness = ?

May 17th, 2019


Before she was the singer for SoCal pop worship band BINLEY, Andrea Hamilton toured the globe writing pop songs. On this week's ep, she tells us how chronic illness changed her life, and why her new worship project …

Ep 19 - JOHNNY CROWDER: Metal, mental health & Jesus

May 10th, 2019


This week we talk metal music, mental health and faith with Johnny Crowder. A frontman for nu metal band Prison as well as CEO of mental health app Cope Notes, nothing about this guy is ordinary. Nothing.

Need help? …

Ep 18 - DAVID ZACH OF REMEDY DRIVE: I'm not a commodity

May 3rd, 2019


Hold on tight, because abolitionist and lead singer of Remedy Drive David Zach gets real on this week's episode. He talks about going undercover with …

Ep 17 - VERSES: Aussie slang and the Modern Day Memory Verse

April 26th, 2019


We're back from the Easter break with one of the best upcoming worship bands you've never heard of. On this week's ep, meet Aussie trio VERSES, a band dedicated to creating "the modern day memory verse" using the …

Ep 16 - MATT CROCKER OF HILLSONG UNITED: It's getting rowdy in here

April 12th, 2019


On the verge of releasing their album PEOPLE, Hillsong UNITED's Matt Crocker tells us why honesty and vulnerability are the heartbeat of the Aussie …

Ep 15 - ANDREW KITCHEN: Antiskepticism

April 5th, 2019


Andrew Kitchen is one of Australia's most well regarded musicians, and as lead singer of Alt-punk band Antiskeptic is iconic in the Aussie Christian, festival and club scenes. We spoke to Andrew about Antiskeptic's rise …

REWIND Ep 14 - Onaje Jefferson

April 3rd, 2019


On this REWIND, we take you behind the scenes with Onaje Jefferson, one of the phenomenal worship leaders collaborating with The Recording …

Ep 14 - ONAJE JEFFERSON: Let's talk diversity

March 29th, 2019


This week we're taking it to church with The Recording Collective's Onaje Jefferson. A member of Grammy award winning band Israel and New Breed for 6 …

REWIND Ep 13 - John DiBiase

March 27th, 2019


On this week's REWIND we take you behind the scenes with Jesus Freak Hideout's John DiBiase. You'll hear his thoughts on living with integrity in the industry, what it was like to interview Larry the Cucumber (yes, …

Ep 13 - JOHN DIBIASE: The original Jesus Freak

March 22nd, 2019


Dust off your old CD collection, on today’s episode we talk founder of Jesus Freak Hideout John DiBiase! A forerunner in online Christian music …

REWIND Ep 12 - Crystal Lewis

March 20th, 2019


On this REWIND, we go behind the scenes on our episode Crystal Lewis. She tells us about some of her early experiences in the industry, and shares a …

Ep 12 - CRYSTAL LEWIS: Owning your space

March 15th, 2019


With three Grammy nominations to her name and nearly thirty albums under her belt, singer/songwriter Crystal Lewis has accomplished more in her career than most musicians do in a lifetime. In this exclusive interview, …

REWIND Ep 11 - Sleeping At Last

March 13th, 2019


In our first ever REWIND for season two, we give you a previously unheard snippet of our interview with Ryan, and tell you all about the stellar playlist for episode 11.


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Ep 11 - SLEEPING AT LAST: Secular songs and the Enneagram

March 8th, 2019


Better known by his moniker Sleeping At Last, multi instrumentalist Ryan O'Neal has spent two decades writing about everything from planets and …

Ep10 - SINAI: Hip hop with purpose

January 18th, 2019


SINAI is a hip hop artist whose passion meets purpose, believing in the power of sharing a message of hope and overcoming. Sinai tells us the incredible story about he overcame the stigma of growing up in the Projects, …

Ep9 - GUSTAVO GUERRERO: Music and activism

January 11th, 2019


Music and activism go hand-in-hand for Gustavo Guerrero, and on this week's episode we chat to the singer/songwriter about how music has helped him transition between countries and cities. He opens up about looking for …

Ep8 - Meet upcoming artists DEE SWAN & SARAH GERALD

January 4th, 2019


On this week's episode, we introduce you to two amazing up-and-coming artists. Christian EDM singer and producer Dee Swan tells us why he is so audacious about sharing his faith, and what it's like to work with singers …

Ep7 - SARAH REEVES: Overcoming self-doubt

December 23rd, 2018


This week Nashville pop/worship singer Sarah Reeves joins us to talk about her new album Easy Never Needed You, how she struggled with self doubt and identity when she was first signed at 18, and why she chooses to …

Ep6 - AUDREY ASSAD: When you lose your faith

December 14th, 2018


On this week's episode we speak to notable singer/songwriter and author Audrey Assad about losing faith, the racial and class divide in the Christian music industry, and why she chooses to speak about her past struggle …

Ep5 - JOHN MARK MCMILLAN: Christmas and the Nether-regions of CCM

December 7th, 2018


This week we talk to one of Christian Music's most influential and controversial song writers, John Mark McMillan. He tells us all about his Christmas record, 'Smile In The Mystery,' unpacks why he believes we take …

Ep4 - JENNIFER MARTIN: The golden era of CCM

November 30th, 2018


This week we throw it back to Christian music’s glory days with pastor, singer, songwriter, missionary and former publicist Jennifer Martin. She tells us the extraordinary story of how she began working with Michael W. …

Ep3 - CHAD MOSES OF TO WRITE LOVE ON HER ARMS: Mental health, music and heresy

November 23rd, 2018


Over the past 12 years, mental health non-profit To Write Love On Her Arms has been present at music festivals, reminding fans and artists that it’s okay to not be okay. On this week’s episode, we talk to TWLOHA’s music …

Ep2 - DAVID GUNGOR OF THE BRILLIANCE: Supporting DREAMers and quitting church music

November 16th, 2018


What happens when music gets political? On this week's episode, we speak to David Gungor of The Brilliance about why the band dedicated their 'Oh …

Ep 1 - CROWDER: Working through the ghost of cynicism

November 9th, 2018


On the debut episode of Between You & Me we talk to Grammy nominee Crowder about his new album ‘I Know A Ghost’. Find out why the Bible freaks him out, and hear why he doesn’t regret changing the lyrics to ‘How He …

Season 1 Promo

November 1st, 2018


On the promo for season 1 of Between You & Me, we answer the question, "Why does the world need another podcast?" and tell you about the amazing CCM musician we're interviewing in our debut episode.

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