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Between Two Bots

7 EpisodesProduced by Dan Turchin, Mark van RijmenamWebsite

Between Two Bots, a not-so-veiled reference to Between Two Ferns with the great Zach Galiafianakis. is hosted by author and futurist Dr. Mark van Rijmenam and AI serial entrepreneur Dan Turchin, PeopleReign CEO.We’re on the cusp of a tech-driven cultural reawakening so cataclysmic that it’s hard for… read more


EP04 - Between Two Bots with David Shrier

Welcome to the Between Two Bots podcast. This is the podcast where we talk about the future of humanity, society, and government all as seen through the lens of your data, your privacy, and the ethics of AI. This is a conversation we need to be having now. Every week, we are redefining the boundaries between AI ethics, data and ways humans coexist with machines. Listen here each week, to learn from experts who are on the frontlines defining how will work and live for decades ahead

This week's guest is David Shrier. David Shrier is CEO and co-founder of Esme Learning, an AI-powered digital learning platform. He is a leading AI futurist who has driven $9 billion worth of technology initiatives for Fortune 1000 companies and private equity. Shrier currently holds an appointment as Professor of Practice (AI and Innovation) at Imperial College Business School, and he is a former MIT New Ventures Officer and lecturer at the MIT Media Lab and he recently founded and an AI ethics institute.

Podcast notes:
David Shrier:

3 weekly articles:

  1. Artificial Intelligence: the global landscape of ethics guidelines -
  2. Why AI-powered EdTech is the future of life-long learning -
  3. The Ethics of Artificial Intelligence (AI) -

David Shrier's book: Augmenting Your Career: How to Win at Work In the Age of AI -

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