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Behind the Seal

31 EpisodesProduced by ECFAWebsite

ECFA's blue seal has been a symbol of trust and accountability for over four decades, but what does that mean? Is it the seal alone that inspires confidence, or is it the nonprofits and churches behind the seal?Listen in to these conversations between ECFA's President and CEO, Michael Martin, and pr… read more

31 Episodes | 2022 - 2024


February 22nd, 2024


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The Three H's that Drive Culture | Kim Williams, ECFA

December 28th, 2023


A thriving culture drives a staff and organization to new heights. Kim Williams shares how to cultivate such a culture that can spread like wildfire …

One Way to Bless the Next Generation of Leaders | Harold Moore, ECFA

December 14th, 2023


Harold Moore's story of hard work and striving is all too familiar. After a marketing and pastoring career, the Lord led him uniquely to ECFA as the …

The Leadership and Trust Connection | Michael Martin, ECFA

November 30th, 2023


Michael Martin, ECFA's President, takes us back to 2021 when ECFA's Board started digging into how a leader's health affects financial integrity and trust. In the past two years, ECFA has surveyed and researched this …

A Growing Church, a Healthy Church, or Both? | Bishop Derek Grier, Grace Church

October 12th, 2023


We’re blessed to speak with Bishop Derek Grier of Grace Church. He’s the top leader at Grace and a Board Member here at ECFA.  He dives into why supporting pastors is so vital right now and how the board can prioritize …

Healthy Governance is Living Authentically | Rob Hoskins & David Branker, One Hope Ministries

September 28th, 2023


Rob Hoskins and David Branker of One Hope Ministries have developed a reputation as a ministry with excellence in board and leader relationships, …

Women will Manage the Largest Generational Wealth Transfer | Julie Wilson, Women Doing Well

September 14th, 2023


Women Doing Well's purpose is to activate women towards purposeful generosity.  95% of women will, at some point in their life, be the primary …

Restoring a Leader for their Next Chapter | William Vanderbloemen

August 24th, 2023


What do job interviews reveal about the current character of a candidate? William Vanderbloemen and his search firm have a unique knowledge of the staff at many Christian organizations and churches because they …

100 Years of Preparing Leaders, God Willing, 100 More | Mark Yarbrough, DTS

August 11th, 2023


Mark Yarbrough was a student, professor, and now President of Dallas Theological Seminary. For 100 years, DTS has held the word of God high in …

The Pain in Pastoring | Sam Chand, SRC Consulting

July 27th, 2023


Raised as a Pastor's kid, then going in the ministry himself for over 35 years, Sam Chand has seen the changes in the church firsthand. His book, …

Best Workplaces Have Trust | Al Lopus, Best Christian Workplaces

July 13th, 2023


Best Christian Workplaces Co-Founder and Board Chair Al Lopus has seen it all. Anonymous surveys reveal the heart of health in organizations. He shares telling signs of unhealth and examples of leaders who took it head …

The Tough Questions, The Needed Answers | Brian Kreeger

June 29th, 2023


Ministry Lead Brian Kreeger worked hard. He was doing the Lord's work at all costs. Listen to his reflections from The Courageous Ask, a book considering how a leader finds support from his board, friends, and fellow …

Global and Biblical Perspective on Leaders | Gary Hoag, Global Trust Partners

June 15th, 2023


Gary Hoag sees and hears about the global church every day. As CEO of Global Trust Partners, birthed from the heartbeat of ECFA, Gary witnesses how …

The Lord's Calling You to Lead, Answer Humbly | Jacob Bland, Youth for Christ

June 1st, 2023


Jacob Bland answered the call. As a young leader in a storied ministry, his wisdom in humbly leading and balancing a young family is relatable for so many of us. The relationship between Youth For Christ's Board of …

Where the Soul Goes, All Will Follow | Steve Macchia, Leadership Transformations

May 18th, 2023


The spiritual formation of Christian Leaders can get deprioritized in the face of other metrics of success. Steve Macchia has spent his career …

A Literal Employee Handbook for a Healthy Team | Jedd Medefind, CAFO

May 11th, 2023


CAFO Leadership released a document to staff that spells out how to have a balanced and healthy work, personal, and spiritual life. It's working!  …

S.O.S. For Our Souls | Mindy Caliguire, Soul Care

May 4th, 2023


Mindy Caliguire leads and frames Soul Care as a personal resolve to build a life deeply connected to God—the path to true flourishing. …

Shadow Side of Why We Are What We Are | Gary McIntosh, Church Growth Network

April 27th, 2023


Our motivations are a shadow to us and others.  Not always good or bad, but present.  Know them, Redeem them.

Gary L. McIntosh is President of the Church Growth Network and Professor of Christian Ministry and Leadership …

Processing Leadership Failures. Start by Looking Within | Glenn Packiam, Rockharbor Church

April 13th, 2023


Good and Bad Leadership can push us towards knowing the Lord deeper.  Glen shares how to find new wells to drink from, to stay resilient as a Christian leader in these times.

Check out all Glenn's writing and podcast …

Executive Pastor’s Role in Leadership Integrity | David Fletcher | XPastor

April 6th, 2023


Over 2/3's of larger churches in America have an Executive Pastor. There is opportunity to be effective and efficient in church business, all while increasing integrity with a pastor's heart.  David Fletcher of …

Legal Risks for Unhealthy Leaders | Erika Cole | The Church Attorney

March 30th, 2023


What are the legal risks of unhealthy leadership?  Erika Cole, The Church Attorney, gives insight to how important a pastor's role is and how that …

Avoiding Burnout and Other Integrity Traps | Carey Niewhof

March 16th, 2023


You don't know what you don't know, and those unseen traps can catch any of us. Carey has spoken with thousands of leaders and lived through a …

Why the Soul of Every Leader Needs Rest | Ruth Haley Barton | Transforming Center

March 2nd, 2023


You are not made for work alone. Embrace the rhythms your Creator designed for you. You are not made for the Sabbath; the Sabbath is made for you.

Ruth Haley Barton | CEO Transforming Center

Research Insights on Healthy Leadership | David Kinnaman | Barna Group

February 16th, 2023


Change, change is the only constant. That's what thousands of interviews and surveys confirm about Christian culture in the U.S. With access to this …

Leading a Dangerously Soft-hearted Ministry | Edgar Sandoval, World Vision

April 28th, 2022


Edgar Sandoval's amazing story of hardship, hard work, and surrender is filled with God's continued work in each of us and this world!  As CEO of World Vision, a large, tenured Christian Humanitarian Aid Organization, …

Eternal Mindsets Create Generous Hearts | David Wills, NCF

April 21st, 2022


When David Wills was growing up, every time he took a spiritual gift test he always seemed to score lowest in "generosity," but that didn't stop the Lord from working in his heart.

Listen in as Michael Martin sits down …

Redemption Happens with Accountability | Jake Lapp, ECFA

April 14th, 2022


Being accountable to someone doesn't mean you'll achieve perfection. Accountability, particularly in a Christian organization, looks like a …

Trusting Leaders Who Trust God | Tami Heim, CLA

April 7th, 2022


"Trust is the bedrock. Out of good trust comes productive conflict management, clarity on goals and objectives, people feel like they can speak into something, and you begin to see outcomes. Outcomes that really are …

Do Evangelicals Have A Trust Problem? | Walter Kim, NAE

March 31st, 2022


Does the name "evangelical" do more harm than good in today’s culture? What role is "deconstruction" playing in the Christian community? Do Christian …

Going Behind the Seal | Michael Martin

March 24th, 2022


Nonprofits and churches were experiencing a “crisis of confidence” in the late 1970s. Scandal after scandal highlighted the great need for standards and accountability, and from it, the ECFA seal was born to help regain …

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March 4th, 2022


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