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Austin Art Talk

106 EpisodesProduced by Scott David GordonWebsite

The goal of the podcast is to facilitate connections with and to learn from the successes, struggles, life experience, and wisdom of the people featured, most of whom live and create in Austin, Texas. The honest conversational flow of these weekly long form interviews lends itself to some really gre… read more

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Episode 107: Anne Mourier - Mother-Nature

October 6th, 2021

1:22:13

"We are fed with this idea that we have to be so much. And of course it’s not true because each of us has a specific talent or specific things we are good at. I finally feel at this place of my life that I’m enough. I’m …

Episode 106: Adrian Armstrong - Stronger Together

June 17th, 2021

1:02:23

"I think it’s so important that we accept each other for our differences, and just come together like brothers and sisters. We’re stronger as a unit. We’re stronger together. Again, community is so important."

Adrian …

Episode 105: Sara Jane Parsons - Truly Beautiful

June 7th, 2021

1:01:18

“I feel like by becoming an artist it’s helped me to become who I am. And it’s helped me to accept my body. Not that I didn’t love my body, but going to figure drawing and drawing every type of persons body was such a …

Episode 104: The Life and Legacy of Sam Coronado

May 24th, 2021

1:25:21

As an artist, educator, cultural activist, mentor, and all-around great human being, Sam Coronado, created opportunities for and changed the lives of …

Episode 103: Amy Scofield - Exploring Impermanence

May 17th, 2021

1:06:13

As artist Amy Scofield states on her website she is investigating the relationship between things. And the things she is working with very often are …

Episode 102: Gladys Poorte - Nuevo Mundo

May 8th, 2021

1:14:43

"Oh, I can still learn something from scratch, totally different from what I do in my world. I find that is so rejuvenating. It makes you feel good!"

This week's podcast guest is Gladys Poorte. Her work for many people …

Episode 101: Tom Jean Webb - Being Here

April 22nd, 2021

1:10:30

“As much as art is about creating an object, it’s also about learning about yourself. My art has always been this tool for which I decipher the …

Episode 100: Chris Rogers - Unconditional

April 15th, 2021

58:30

“That’s my ultimate goal. When I’m done here I want to have temples built in a lot of people's hearts. Not, oh Chris was so awesome. But because I …

Episode 99: Manik Raj Nakra - An Ancient Art

April 8th, 2021

1:18:07

"Out of the million brush strokes on this painting, I like his brushstroke. So it was worth the 20 hours I spent on it to learn this one stroke. Then …

Episode 98: Brian Daly - Part 2 - Recovery

March 31st, 2021

1:05:19

"I used to think I had all the answers. I believed it. I don’t believe that at all anymore. I have all the questions. I’ve got all of them. And I don’t really need answers anymore. I’m in it for the questions. And that …

Episode 97: Brian Daly - Part 1 - Rendered

March 24th, 2021

1:33:10

Sometimes it can take a lot to ask for help. Artist Brian Daly realized nineteen months ago that even though he had already survived hitting bottom a few times before, this time might be his last. Through years of ups …

Episode 96: Nick Schnitzer - Creating Our Future

March 17th, 2021

1:16:43

"Let’s continue to make beautiful things. Let’s respect ourselves and think about the future. Let’s make some money. Let’s be generous with our …

Episode 95: Joyce Howell - Expressing The Abstract

March 10th, 2021

1:01:31

As an adult, after working many jobs in the business world and raising her daughters' artist Joyce Howell decided to go back to school to study art …

Episode 94: Valerie Chaussonnet - The Joy Of Life & Art

February 25th, 2021

1:14:06

"For us, as artists, the pandemic certainly economically was hard for many people but I think we are probably better equipped because can we invent something that has not been done before. If somebody is used to having …

Episode 93: Lauren Hunt - Glass Work

February 10th, 2021

1:03:43

Lauren Hunt is one of the rare artists who works with glass, and she has been at it for over 10 years. After college she worked for 7 of those years …

Episode 92: Kevin Ivester - The Art Of The Gallery

February 3rd, 2021

48:31

"I think that we are all striving towards the same goals. People are making artwork, galleries are showing artwork, and we all want to be seen. We all want to be making a positive impact somewhere. How do we move …

Episode 91: Elizabeth Hendley - Expressive Therapies & Essential Workers

May 28th, 2020

42:20

Elizabeth Hendley is an art therapist at Dell Children’s Medical Center and a part of what is called the Expressive Therapies team. We spoke back in March of 2018 and went in depth to explore her origin story, how she …

Episode 90: Elizabeth McQueen - The Importance of Music & Art, Aggressive Positivity, & Transformational Songs

May 19th, 2020

52:26

"What’s the thing that people turn to when you are in the middle of this confusing and terrifying time, and whats the thing that brings relief? It’s Art. It’s music, it’s seeing films, it’s watching TV shows, it’s …

Episode 89: Suzanne Koett - What is important to us now?

April 28th, 2020

1:09:41

"Anytime I am stuck in life, I will usually do a project on it. Trying to understand, and just to try and move through it. It really helps me move through something. All of my work is basically things I am trying to …

Episode 88: Living an Artful and Authentic Life - John P Weiss

April 22nd, 2020

1:35:49

“Don’t lose your authenticity. Keep honing your skills to become a better artist. Don’t just copy what someone else is doing, go beyond it. Find what …

Episode 87: Fusebox Festival 2020 - Virtual Edition - An Interview with Ron Berry & Anna Gallagher-Ross

April 15th, 2020

45:48

For over 15 years the Fusebox Festival has been delivering an amazing array of curated performances and artists from all over the world and bringing them right here to Austin. Since the festival will not be able to go …

Episode 86: Becca Borrelli - Sensitive As F**K

April 13th, 2020

1:04:44

Becca Borrelli is an illustrator, teacher, story teller, and part of The Lemon House where she has her art studio, which will also be hosting an upcoming Process Over Product Art Series. Becca also just launched her own …

Episode 84: Adrian Whipp - Lumiere Tintype

March 3rd, 2020

1:18:59

"I think art for me has always been about giving someone an image that they can get absorbed into, and that takes them to a place that is sort of hyper-real. You know it’s not reality but you also can’t quite pin down …

Episode 83: Roi James - The Next Level

February 20th, 2020

1:01:27

"I think it’s ok to be in a space of feeling lost at points in your life. That’s actually a great place to be."


Two years on from our first interview, Episode 18, which I highly recommend listening to before you …

Episode 82: Naomi Schlinke - Being Mobile

February 7th, 2020

1:20:06

“You don’t just believe in yourself, You behave in a way that you can believe in yourself, trust yourself. You have to show up. You have to show up everyday in the studio. You have to put in your time to make this …

Episode 81: MAKE YOUR SH*T - Rohitash Rao

February 3rd, 2020

1:32:46

"You know what, all that matters is that you find a way, however you have to do it, to just keep making your shit. Whatever that is. Just don’t stop. Any creative person. It’s so easy not to. Just find a way. Just don’t …

Episode 80: Annalise Gratovich

January 18th, 2020

1:05:48

"I have a huge interest in empathy and compassion and humanizing people. That’s been a big part of my work and my life."


Annalise Gratovich is a …

Episode 79: Oen Hammonds - Design Thinking

January 1st, 2020

1:29:05

"There is nothing wrong with failing. Failing is a learning moment. If you failed and you took the time to reflect and learn why you failed, and what you can do to change that course, and who can help you with that, …

Episode 78: Art From The Streets

December 5th, 2019

58:50

“My passion is around art because I know how wonderful it is to create. There are lots of fabulous programs for people to have food and shelter. Very …

Episode 77: Rehab El Sadek - Transient

November 23rd, 2019

58:30

“As any conceptual artist you feel like you are a reflection of the people around you. It’s not like you do what people want. It’s more like you try to just feel, what is the concerns or what is the highlights of your …

Episode 76: Keith Kreeger - Objects Matter

November 16th, 2019

1:10:36

"It’s always scary to stop doing something. But if you don’t stop doing something, you can't do something new. Every time I’ve stopped doing something other opportunities came, or I had time to try something new."


Episode 75: Karen Offutt

November 10th, 2019

1:04:10

“My goal has always been to make a painting breathe with realism, but when you get up to it you can really see the brush quality. That is what I’ve always been drawn to when I look at work. That has been my obsession …

Episode 74: Susannah Morgan - For The Love Of Art

October 30th, 2019

1:10:01

"The nature of the business is relationship building. With clients, with artists, with framers and installers. The people that make up this whole …

Episode 73: Dave McClinton

October 22nd, 2019

1:16:09

“The things that I think people don’t understand or misunderstand about me is that sometimes when I’m hanging out with friends or hanging out with piers, I can't help but make a joke or a comment about race. Because it …

Episode 72: Fort Lonesome - Kathie Sever

October 11th, 2019

1:09:46

"At this point what makes me the most excited about the business, is trying to figure out how to build something that can be a sustainable platform for a number of different artists. It’s so hard to make a living in …

Episode 71: Deborah Roberts

October 4th, 2019

1:10:35

"I’m going to continue to push my work forward. The work has always come first. It has to be the work, because it’s no good if it’s not. That’s my philosophy. I don’t push that on anyone else. That’s just always been my …

Episode 70: Beili Liu - Resilience

September 23rd, 2019

1:20:14

"There are all these pressures and talks about how do you make your career. How do you make a living? How do you make it sustainable? How do you be an entrepreneur as an artist. And they are all great sounding, very …

Episode 69: Women & Their Work - Chris Cowden

September 10th, 2019

1:01:10

"I think artists are extremely inspirational people. You need a lot of mental discipline to continue to affirm the role of creativity and your voice …

Episode 68: Jan Heaton - Love, Gratitude & Family

September 2nd, 2019

1:19:39

“I’m always trying to be tranquil. I’ve experienced a lot of sadness and crisis and trauma in the last 10 years. I think there is a part of me that …

Episode 67: Sydney Yeager

August 24th, 2019

56:18

"My most recent work there seems to be more of an embrace going on between parts as opposed to these diverse parts fitting together, maintaining their diversity. They seem now to be more a part of each other. That’s a …

Episode 66: GD Wright - Impossible Until It's Done

July 28th, 2019

1:11:52

"I just think that we have a greater strength en masse. The more we can come together and support each other the greater our potential. Don’t build walls. Don’t tell people they cant do it. Show up for the people you …

Episode 65: Brinston

July 22nd, 2019

1:02:47

“I’m not solely an artist, that’s not my identity. I’m not just an artist, I’m a vessel. You are not defined by your occupation. You are not defined …

Episode 64: Werrick Armstrong - Faith & Inspiration

July 13th, 2019

1:24:00

"All of us as artists have inspiration that comes from a myriad of places. I felt just through a couple situations that had occurred, where I had not intended to do something, that the art had taken a life of its own …

Episode 63: Taja Lindley - There's Work To Be Done

May 25th, 2019

1:17:41

"I think more and more now people are interested in this conversation of the intersection of art and culture with social movements. Art & culture …

Episode 62: Sev Coursen

April 22nd, 2019

1:01:55

"It’s about looking, and continually trying to hone that and develop an eye."


Sev Coursen is an artist working in multiple media including …

Episode 61: Julie Speed - Moments Of Clarity

April 13th, 2019

1:00:35

"If I close it off then it’s not right. If you look at it and there’s only one answer, then it’s not right. So when I was talking about my older …

Episode 60: Brooke Axtell - Beautiful Justice

April 3rd, 2019

1:18:16

"I feel that my capacity to create, in so many different forms of media, to step into my work as an activist, to speak in a very vulnerable way in …

Episode 59: Elizabeth Chapin - Deconstructing Nostalgia

March 21st, 2019

1:05:47

"I was aware of the culture I grew up in, but I was unaware of the cost for other people, and also unaware of the cost for me. I think when you are …

Episode 58: Stella Alesi - Journeying

March 12th, 2019

1:17:56

"When I was eleven I said I was going to be an artist, it’s just part of the process. You have to make bad work sometimes, it’s part of the deal. If you are not willing to make bad art then you are not willing to take …

Episode 57: Ariel René Jackson

March 4th, 2019

1:02:42

"For me the success of a piece is if I’m able to create a weird sense of peace and disturbance to keep people there longer to sort of sit with it. Sometimes it can be hard because a lot of my work on the surface level …

Episode 56: Koichi Yamamato - Making A Mark

February 11th, 2019

1:16:55

"Failure or success is really subjective, and it’s conditional. The one moment I might consider a failure, I learned something so I guess since I learned something maybe it wasn’t a failure. By having those prints I …

Episode 55: Alyssa Taylor Wendt

January 28th, 2019

1:16:18

"As an artist you have to remember that you are always working. And you’re not just working when you are in the studio actually making something. You are working when you’re sleeping, dreaming, reading, looking at other …

Episode 54: Alejandra Almuelle - Revealing the Presence

January 21st, 2019

53:00

"Seriously it's like being in love, staying in the studio."


Alejandra Almuelle is a full time ceramic artist who creates sculptures and pottery that …

Episode 53: Seth Orion Schwaiger

January 8th, 2019

56:14

"In a way you can use words as a lure to get people to think in a way that’s more expansive. To think in visuals, and in space, and in symbol that’s …

Episode 52: Sharon Bridgforth - Circles Of Relationship

December 17th, 2018

1:15:40

"We need to not only find ourselves but we need to find a way to each other. It’s really hard to show up fully for others if you haven’t shown up for …

Episode 51: Drew Riley - Gender Portraits

December 10th, 2018

1:08:05

"One of the things that helped me be a better ally to other communities is to believe people. Generally you don’t need evidence to trust if a whole …

Episode 50: Tammie Rubin - Everything You Ever

December 3rd, 2018

1:11:28

"I think that the thread has definitely been that it’s all sculptural. I’m truly a 3D person. The idea and the making of the work kind of happen at …

Episode 49: Darden Smith - The Habit Of Noticing

November 17th, 2018

56:35

"Getting in the habit of noticing is what is essential to actually being an artist. You have to first off get in the habit seeing things and noticing. It's not only visually seeing, it’s hearing, and listening, and …

Episode 48: Randal Ford - The Animal Kindgom

October 27th, 2018

1:06:15

“We have literally been depicting animals since we could make artwork, since we could paint on the walls of caves. It’s pretty much across every …

Episode 47: Maura Grace Ambrose - Folk Fibers

October 22nd, 2018

1:16:55

"Being a parent I can relate. I know what it’s like now to not be able to work on projects that I want to work on. And those are like real life obstacles, whether it’s a day job, or a sick family member, or a young …

Episode 46: Shawn Camp - Dualities of Existence

October 12th, 2018

1:04:32

"A single object can be these extremely different things depending on the context. When the lights are bright in the gallery a whole bunch of what …

Episode 45: Dameon Lester - Serene Disturbance

October 6th, 2018

50:53

"I had never been to a glacier. I had this vision of them being these giant massive things that were just there. I never really thought about how much of a living organism they are. Growing and retreating, melting, and …

Episode 44: Vy Ngo - Present In This Moment

September 24th, 2018

1:03:15

"We are all connected. We need to be a village for each other and raise and support each other through everything. Being in the art community what I have found is that I've finally found my tribe. I found my tribe in …

Episode 43: Vincent Valdez - The Beginning is Near

September 17th, 2018

1:18:32

"These images like murals are images that can speak to people and that people can identify with. You don’t have to be from a certain background or …

Episode 42: Marjorie Moore - Drawn from Nature

September 8th, 2018

1:00:08

“I don’t remember what artist said this but I’ve always liked this. She said ‘There are no dumb ideas.’ And I always keep that in my head. Maybe you are not going like it when you get to that point of is this done or …

Episode 41: Valerie Fowler - Layers of Meaning

August 25th, 2018

1:07:08

"For me it only becomes an artwork if it has the potential to have a lot of layers of meaning.

I have my themes that I always want to emphasize and I’m always looking for ways buoy those themes and so I’m on the look …

Episode 40: John Paul Caponigro - Find Your Way

August 18th, 2018

1:06:46

"You really need to define success for yourself, separately from the reactions of other people. If you are waiting to publish the book or get …

Episode 39: Caitlin G McCollom - Following My Vision

August 6th, 2018

1:14:13

"You have to cultivate your own ability to be inspired. As I become more mature as an artist its how do I create the circumstances to cultivate the …

Episode 38: Claude Van Lingen

July 31st, 2018

52:39

“My advice would be to work as hard as you can on your work and get interested. Use anything you can, get hold of anything you can. Study that and …

Episode 37: Pooneh Ghana - For the Love of Music

July 21st, 2018

56:23

"It’s easy to get stagnant with what you are doing. I just want to keep staying motivated and keep getting better. But also just not being so hard on myself. It’s easy to be your own worst critic and just think …

Episode 36: William T. Carson & Rebecca Rothfus Harrell - SOURCE MATERIAL

July 16th, 2018

56:06

“In one of our early meetings I expressed to Rebecca that I was having some confusion around how do I continue to present things and ideas that I have worked on in the past. Working with this material of coal but also …

Episode 35: Madeline Irvine - Naturally Curious

July 8th, 2018

55:33

"I just love learning from the work. Just leaving it open and learning. It’s part of my being in the world. I try to be patient with myself and my artwork. There were years where it felt like it didn’t connect to the …

Episode 34: Dawn Okoro - Punk Noir

June 23rd, 2018

1:06:45

"For me authenticity is being truthful, and just allowing yourself to be vulnerable."

"I express myself through fashion by just letting it flow and …

Episode 33: Paul Soileau

June 16th, 2018

1:06:01

"It’s not easy but for me it’s very enjoyable to put on these wigs and be these people. One mainly because I am an entertainer and I like to entertain people and I like what these characters do to people, and to me. But …

Episode 32: Laura Caffrey - Reject/Respect

June 9th, 2018

54:17

"I am generally not thinking about what it means because I don’t know that I am imbuing it with any particular sort of meaning. I’m more inclined to …

Episode 31: Charles Heppner - Moved by Beauty

June 3rd, 2018

57:48

“This is what I want, this is what makes me fulfilled, is to make work. I need to do that. In order to go further, in order to grow, as an artist you …

Episode 30: Jason Phelps - The Creative Self

May 26th, 2018

59:38

"Who are the people in your life that inspire you, that support you, that you can connect with on a regular basis, to keep that creative spirit …

Episode 29: America Martin - It's Not Enough Just to Look

May 19th, 2018

59:29

"The way that I look at things, anything, even this big storm brewing outside, I feel like my eyes aren’t acknowledging it enough. I feel almost restless that I’m not able to look at it and be satisfied. I want to …

Episode 28: Elizabeth Chiles - Weave

May 12th, 2018

56:01

"What are the sensual takeaways from being in a place? When I think about how it feels to be lying in my backyard in the hammock watching the pecan trees it's not static images of green leaves. It's spectral light, …

Episode 27: Faustinus - El Subconsciente

May 5th, 2018

1:00:58

"We all are photographers. Everybody will have their own excuses to take photos. But to me just being able to keep shooting I think it is already in …

Episode 26: Karen Hawkins - The Pink Bow Project

April 29th, 2018

55:21

"I am just grateful that people are finding this as an outlet to be able to say that this happened to them. As a way of walking through and finding …

Episode 25: Jenn Hassin - A Life Of Service

April 22nd, 2018

1:12:06

"If everyone that wants to make a difference, just started making and taking those steps to actually make a difference, then imagine the world we …

Episode 24: AKIRASH

April 14th, 2018

1:22:03

"People they are the cloth that protect me, that cover me. Without them, I’m nothing, I can't do anything. So they take me to this level. They should …

Episode 23: Ron Berry - Fusebox Festival

April 8th, 2018

1:01:59

"Within our festival there’s space for really different kinds of expression of art, and some of those are perhaps harder immediately to relate to. …

Episode 22: Elizabeth Hendley - The Power of Art Therapy

March 31st, 2018

1:16:27

“Giving people compassion and respect, it just goes such a long way to healing. You never know what somebody is going through or what could happen in …

Episode 21: Natalia Sylvester - Everyone Knows You Go Home

March 24th, 2018

1:00:06

“We all have creativity in us and we’re all very imaginative people but we also have all these voices that tell us we’re not. I just don’t give myself credit for it. I don’t think any of us do.”


Novelist Natalia …

Episode 20: Griffon Ramsey - Chainsaw Art

March 17th, 2018

1:06:52

"That's the thing that got me excited about being creative is that you start with nothing and then something happens. We have so much power as creatives."

If you get to the point in your artistic career where you are …

Episode 19: Deborah Roberts - Dedicated to the Work

March 10th, 2018

1:04:32

"I’ve always dedicated my life to the work, and what ever the work needed that’s what I did."

It has been an incredible year for Austin based artist

Episode 18: Roi James - Leaps of Faith

March 3rd, 2018

1:12:22

"You're an artist, you can create your future"


After twenty years of being a full time artist you learn a few things. Like how to make simple but …

Episode 17: Kirk Weddle - The Next Big Gig

February 24th, 2018

50:14

Advertising and editorial photographer Kirk Weddle has worked with a lot of different local and corporate clients on jobs that have taken him all over the world. Throughout his career he has honed his skills …

Episode 16: Bale Creek Allen - No Limitations

February 17th, 2018

1:21:53

Bale Creek Allen has chosen to pursue a beautiful and rich life and live by his own rules. He is a prolific artist with a great work ethic who …

Episode 15: Michael Anthony García

February 3rd, 2018

56:35

Michael Anthony García is a multidisciplinary artist, independent curator, and activist. His work takes many forms and attempts to addresses …

Episode 14: Nancy Mims - It Begins With A Walk

January 21st, 2018

54:42

By seeking out the mundane and overlooked visual aspects of our world and sharing them through her perspective Nancy Mims shows us the beauty and expansiveness we might be missing. There can be order from chaos and it …

Episode 13: Flip Solomon - (Bonus Stories) Lek Chailert and the Hare Dream

January 16th, 2018

15:31

This is bonus content from the interview with Flip Solomon Episode 12. The first inspiring story is about Lek Chailert who with the help of many …

Episode 12: Flip Solomon - Darkest Before Dawn

January 13th, 2018

1:06:10

Flip Solomon grew up with art being at the center of her world but after leaving home found herself exploring everything else life has to offer for …

Episode 11: PRINTAUSTIN - Cathy Savage & Elvia Perrin

December 30th, 2017

1:02:08

PRINTAUSTIN is one of the top art events in town that happens every January and February. Cathy Savage and Eliva Perrin started this celebration of printmaking five years ago, and with a lot of hard work and some help …

Episode 10: Claire Howard - Curating & The Open Road

December 23rd, 2017

56:40

This interview is with Claire Howard, the Assistant Curator of Modern and Contemporary Art at the Blanton Museum of Art here in Austin. The museum is currently hosting a traveling photography exhibit called The Open …

Episode 9: Hayley Gillespie - Art.Science.Gallery.

December 16th, 2017

57:23

Turns out that art and science are more related than you might expect. This weeks highly informative episode is with Dr. Hayley Gillespie, the founder and director of Art.Science.Gallery. She has bachelor’s degrees in …

Episode 8: Yuliya Lanina - The Nature of Being

December 9th, 2017

1:01:35

Yuliya Lanina is one of the most diverse artists I know having already gained a lot of experience and wisdom in her life and career. Her work is …

Episode 7: Paloma Mayorga - Healing & Empowerment in Art

December 2nd, 2017

1:00:04

Since graduating from Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas, in 2010, Paloma Mayorga has inhabited and worked in three different art worlds. She has had a great career, at a young age, as a professional artist, …

Episode 6: Steven Walker - Rocking Photography

November 18th, 2017

1:08:23

Moving to America from England almost four years ago was a risky move for him and his family, but Steven Walker made it work because he knew it …

Episode 5: Emily Galusha - Undercurrents

November 11th, 2017

1:05:02

Painter, illustrator, and graphic designer Emily Galusha did not start out with the intention of becoming an artist, even though she had a very creative and supportive upbringing. After studying dance for many years she …

Episode 4: Patrick Puckett - Nostalgic Figures

November 4th, 2017

54:01

When I arrived at Patrick's he offered me a drink and we had a great talk while sipping Old Fashioneds and trying to keep his hound dog Boudro calm …

Episode 3: Shea Little - EAST and the Artist

October 28th, 2017

1:01:19

If you have been in Austin long and are into art you have probably heard of the East Austin Studio Tour or Big Medium. One person at the center of both from the beginning has been Shea Little. With EAST 2017 coming up …

Episode 2: Troy Campa - Architecture to Art Gallery

October 21st, 2017

58:00

Troy Campa, co-founer with his partner of CAMIBAart, started out as an architect in Houston but then decided to change careers, and after a year break decided to open a gallery in Austin. We talk about that transition, …

Episode 1: Stephen Clark - Austin History and the Photographic Gallery

October 14th, 2017

1:13:23

For our first episode we speak with Mr. Clark about his rich history living in Austin and also about the ins and outs of running a gallery and selling art. After you listen to the show check out some of the links below …

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