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Achieving DevOps

17 EpisodesProduced by Dave HarrisonWebsite

This is a companion podcast to the book "Achieving DevOps". Join us as we explore some of the winning methods some enterprises have found to deliver changes faster and more reliably, and the misconceptions and pitfalls that can trip us up.


Humana's Cloud Migration Story with Jon Cwiak

About a year ago I had the pleasure of meeting with Jon Cwiak, an enterprise architect at the insurance giant Humana. I love the Humana story and I’ve been watching them overcome obstacles and challenges along the way – they always move upwards and their cloud migration effort is really starting to gain traction. 

Jon’s one of those hero architects I wish were more common in our industry; he’s a purist with a very strong vision of what cloud development and architecture means, but he’s pragmatic and engaging in how teams chart their course to get there. I think you’ll love this discussion, which explores some of the topics we covered in the book.

Here’s some of the topics we cover in the podcast:

  • Humana’s swing for the fences with their cloud migration
  • Why do good architects start with empathy – and what impact can this have on a project?
  • “DevOps isn’t a role or a title – it’s a set of practices that you do.”
  • How does Humana build a sense of community, and what 4 pillars do they look at in migrating workflows to the cloud?
  • Does Humana insist on a specific set of tools for monitoring, release, etc?
  • What does monitoring look like at Humana? And what about security – how does Humana handle their data stewardship without overloading engineers?
  • Does everything need to be a microservice? Where does Humana start in peeling off services and flows that would be a good fit for microservices?
  • On COTS products and buy vs build – “You buy for commodity and build for differentiation. I’m not going to build my own log analytics platform - that's a solved problem. Then I can go on and solve more interesting problems.”
  • Moving away from big, destructive tsunami releases: “Shipping is a feature – do so early and often.”
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