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ABT Time

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All things ABT, start to finish. Host Dr. Randy Olson a decade ago formulated the ABT Narrative Template built around the three words And, But, Therefore. It is now the centerpiece of his books, “Houston, We Have A Narrative,” “Narrative is Everything,” and “The Narrative Gym.” In this weekly hou… read more

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ABT Time Episode 54 - It’s about ACTION: Interview with John Roome, World Bank, about his ABT site visit videos

November 28th, 2023

1:03:15

John Roome is a World Bank director who took part in ousr ABT training program last year both at the retreat in Nepal in September then the full ABT …

ABT Time Episode 53 - Time for a little ABT Psychodrama! (bring in the lawyers)

November 21st, 2023

53:58

A tremendous discussion with defense lawyer and ABT Narrative Gym book coauthor Doug Passon plus his trial lawyering collaborator Patrick Barone, …

ABT Time Episode 52 - Who Knew: Introducing the 6th Version of the Narrative Gym Book: MEDICINE

November 1st, 2023

47:09

Join Navid Ghaffari, M.D. (recent graduate of Harvard Medical School) and me as we tell about our great collaboration on the 7th chapter of the new …

ABT Time Episode 51 - Meet the New Structuralists: Ayla Fox and Devo Brown

May 18th, 2023

47:47

We’ve added a new position to the Working Circles element of the ABT Framework course. They’re called Structuralists. Their role is to sit on the …

ABT Time Episode 50 - Legacy of Conquest: 5 Questions for Historian Patty Limerick as her Landmark Book turns 45, asked by my brother, Eric Olson.

April 27th, 2023

54:56

In 1987 Patty Limerick changed “the narrative” of the American West with her landmark book, “Legacy of Conquest,” which painted a different portrait of the frontier from the traditional romantic notions of cowboys …

ABT Time Episode 49 - Can the ABT help with the upcoming Wild Fire Season? A discussion with Christy Brigham, National Park Service, and Alison Mims, U.S. Forest Service

April 5th, 2023

47:54

Christy Brigham of the National Park Service was a guest on one of our first episodes (our special about wildfire in the US West and Australia) and Alison Mims is a veteran of both Story Circles and the ABT Framework …

ABT Time Episode 48 - Marine biologist/ocean engineer Dr. Mark Patterson of Northeastern University (and Randy Olson’s officemate 40 years ago) shares ABT insights and crazy stories of ocean exploration

March 27th, 2023

58:51

Once upon a time Randy Olson and Mark Patterson were officemates at Harvard and spent countless hours trying to make sense of how scientists communicate.  It’s a lotta years later.  One became a superstar ocean …

ABT Time Episode 47 - AN ABT SYNTHESIS: Park Howell uses his 400th episode of his “Business of Story” podcast to summarize the ABT Framework to date

March 20th, 2023

1:10:14

Advertising executive and podcaster Park Howell has been part of our ABT group for a decade.  He is currently one of the four guest lecturers in the ABT Framework course for over two years.  For the 400th episode of his …

ABT Time Episode 46 - An ABT Early Adopter for Undergrads: Emory University Geologist Dr. Tony Martin tells about his use of the ABT in his environmental science course for the past few years.

March 1st, 2023

52:43

Dr. Tony Martin began tweeting enthusiastically in 2018 about his use of the ABT with undergraduates. He had read the “Houston” book and set to work having students apply the ABT Framework throughout the semester.  His …

ABT Time Episode 45 - Brave New ABT World for 2023! Matthew and I discuss.

January 17th, 2023

1:08:54

My assistant-turned-colleague Matthew David and I discuss the break neck speed that 2023 has started out with for the ABT and us. From the World Bank …

ABT Time Episode 44 - The Ultimate Arsch-Bombe: Our 5th and Newest version of The Narrative Gym (this time for science grad students and postdocs)

October 27th, 2022

40:15

Drs. Marlis Douglas, Keisha Bahr, and Randy Olson (the co-authors of our new book) discuss the origins of the new term BUT BOMB, the Matt Template (Heaven, Hell, Action), bored moms, and of course how the ABT Framework …

ABT Time Episode 43 - Dr. Juli Berwald: A Brave Scientist Talks About Her Love of Spinelessness

August 30th, 2022

1:03:30

Juli Berwald is the author of, “Spineless,” a wonderful, captivating exploration of the gelatinous world of jellyfish presented with the backdrop of …

ABT Time Episode 42 - A DECADE OF NPS/ABT COLLABORATION: Guest Cari Kreshak, ABT Framework team member & Cultural and Natural Resources Learning Experience Coordinator for National Park Service talks ABT

August 1st, 2022

46:37

On Tuesday, August 2 at 11:00 PDT we will start the first of a series of 90 minute “Narrative Gym” sessions.  The National Park Service is one of the four partner groups for this first round, so we’ve invited our ABT …

ABT Time Episode 41 - TEACHING THE ABT, PART TWO: Professors Alan Crivellaro (Cambridge U.), Robert Wilson (Syracuse U.), Andrew Petto (U. Wisconsin), and Tracy Ford (SUNY Genesee)

July 4th, 2022

1:06:00

This is our second installment as we are now “crowd-sourcing” the teaching of the ABT at universities. This group brings in professors of English, …

ABT Time Episode 40 - The Story of Type One Diabetes: Activist Laura Pavlakovich Tells Us her Dobzhansky

June 19th, 2022

43:36

Laura Pavlakovich didn’t even need to hear the end of the Dobzhansky template before she blurted, “Oh, I know my one word — it’s COMMUNITY.” Buried …

ABT Time Episode 39 - (former) King of the DHY, Zen Faulkes, talks about his new book, "Better Posters"

June 6th, 2022

1:05:20
DESCRIPTION:   Dr. Zen Faulkes, longtime ABT fan and professor at McMaster University in Canada talks about his new book, “Better Posters:  Plan, …

ABT Time Episode 38 - ABT REUNION TIME: 8 participants from the first round (of 25) of the ABT Framework Course

May 4th, 2022

55:15

Two years ago last month we pulled together the first 50 participants for the ABT Framework course. 25 rounds later, it was time to pull together 8 …

ABT Time Episode 37 - Eccentric, Passionate, Dedicated: A tribute to fish biologists and legendarily funny ichthyologist Karel Liem, with Julie Claussen and Dr. Dana Ono

April 13th, 2022

1:00:54

Dr. Karel Liem (1935-2009) was the best of the best as ichthyologist, teacher, prankster and all-around good guy. Thankfully I managed to include him …

ABT Time Episode 35 - The Four Horsemen of the ABT Apocalypse: SCIENCE (Randy Olson), BUSINESS(Park Howell), LAW (Doug Passon) and POLITICS (Dave Gold)

March 29th, 2022

1:15:26
Time to learn about THE PAUL BEGALA CHALLENGE: To change the thinking of Democrats from And, And, And thinking (“Programmatic Lists”) to And, But, Therefore thinking (ABT Narrative Intuition). Randy Olson matches notes …

ABT Time Episode 34 - “Arouse and Fulfill”: Dr. Tom Hollihan, USC Annenberg School of Communication, 24 years after his iconic sound bite

March 18th, 2022

49:35

In 1998 Randy Olson interviewed Dr. Tom Hollihan of the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism for his 20 minute video, “Talking …

ABT Time Episode 33 - Spotting Stories with our UK buddies, Sarah Jane and David Pullan of Story Spotters

February 21st, 2022

1:01:12
Hallelujah, brothers and sisters, it’s time for social hour in the Church of the ABT as we welcome fellow ABT worshippers David and Sarah Jane to …

ABT Time Episode 32 - Optimism Matters: Dr. Nancy Knowlton, originator of #OceanOptimism, #EarthOptimism and veteran ABT instructor talks relentless optimism with us

January 31st, 2022

1:02:02
Nearly 20 years ago senior coral reef ecologist Dr. Nancy Knowlton struck a note for optimism with her “Beyond the Obituaries” symposium for ocean …

ABT Time Episode 31 - Adventures in Wrongness: David H. Freedman, Science Journalist (The Atlantic, Newsweek) and author of “Wrong,” Discusses our False Positive Society

January 20th, 2022

1:01:47

David H. Freedman wrote the article, “Lies, Damned Lies and Medical Science” for The Atlantic in 2010 which is still used in epidemiology courses …

ABT Time Episode 30 - Our New Book: “The Narrative Gym for Law,” discussion with coauthor and defense lawyer, Doug Passon

December 21st, 2021

55:48

We are producing a series of books applying “The Narrative Gym” to different disciplines.  BUSINESS was released in September with coauthor Park …

ABT Time Episode 29 - South African Conservation Writer Adam Welz Tells how Wildlife Conservation and Climate Action are on a Collision Course

December 7th, 2021

1:03:33

Adam Welz is South African and a prolific nature writer, photographer and filmmaker whose work has appeared frequently in The Guardian and Yale 360.  …

ABT Time Episode 28 - UNCLENCHABLES 3: We Out-Smart Artificial Intelligence (kind of)

November 15th, 2021

54:46

Team Unclenchable (Randy Olson with Aussies Jen Martin, Jayde Lovell, and Rod Lamberts) holds its third assembly to discuss the future of humanity …

ABT Time Episode 27 - 180 Miles Out of Stonington: Maine Lobster Fisherman/Storyteller Brian Robbins

October 31st, 2021

2:01:38

30 years ago Randy Olson and “Cultural Liaison” Ed Leydecker filmed, “Salt of the Earth: A Journey to the Heart of Maine Lobster Fishermen,” with …

ABT Time Episode 26 - Dr. Shirley Malcom, Legendary Voice for Equity, Inclusion, Diversity in Science

October 18th, 2021

1:01:19

Learn how Dr. Shirley Malcom and Dr. Randy Olson are “Parking Lot Soul Mates,” as well as fellow Good Troublemakers.

Randy Olson

ABT Time Episode 25 - Veridicality: Cognitive psychologist Maryanne Garry tells the truth about false memories

October 11th, 2021

1:03:45

Dr. Maryanne Garry, Professor of Cognitive Psychology at University of Waikato in New Zealand talks to Randy and Jen about the teaching of …

ABT Time Episode 24 - Pulitzer Prize-nominated Investigative/Environmental Writer Mark Dowie talks about “Losing Ground” and “The Haida Gwai Lesson”

October 4th, 2021

1:10:00

Randy Olson has a tremendous discussion with one of his all-time journalist heroes, Mark Dowie as they dive deep into the history of the American environmental movement (Mark’s 1995 book “Losing Ground”) then explore …

ABT Time Episode 23 - Dos Actores Latinos: Veteran Actors (and ABT fans) Julie Carmen & Jose Angel Santana

September 30th, 2021

1:09:28

Actors Julie Carmen and Jose Angel Santana discuss everything from the intensity of Meisner acting training to working with Madonna to Julie’s …

ABT Time Episode 22 - World Climate Role Play: Dr. John Sterman & his Climate Interactive Event (plus The Fool)

September 17th, 2021

1:27:31

Dr. John Sterman of the M.I.T. Sloan Management School shares his CLIMATE INTERACTIVE World Climate Simulation group exercise that he’s run with …

ABT Time Episode 21 - UNCLENCHABLES 2: KYSS - Keep Yer Slogan Simple, plus Machinist John Small

September 9th, 2021

1:00:32

Randy tries to draw lines of debate about slogans and terminology with Jen and Rod, but they step over his lines and say “we agree.” Jayde never did …

ABT Time Episode 20 - CONFRONTING “DANGEROUS STUPIDITIES”: Historian (Dr. Patty Limerick) meets Historical Ecologist (Dr. Jeremy Jackson) for an Epic Discussion

September 2nd, 2021

1:30:19

Legendary coral reef ecologist Dr. Jeremy Jackson ended his landmark 1996 paper, “Reefs Since Columbus” by hoping he had “put to rest two dangerous …

ABT Time Episode 19 - RAISING LIONS: Child Behaviorist and Story Circles Graduate Joe Newman

August 25th, 2021

1:02:15

Joe Newman, author of, “Raising Lions: The Art of Compassionate Discipline,” long time surf buddy of Randy Olson, and a 2019 graduate of the Story Circles Narrative Training program talks about training PARENTS (not …

ABT Time Episode 18 - The Makers of “WHITE RHINO” Surf Documentary: Brent Storm, director, and producers Julie Romaniuk, Brian Bielmann and Randy Olson

August 20th, 2021

1:09:27

The filmmakers, Brent Storm, director, and producers Julie Romaniuk, Brian Bielmann and Randy Olson, cover everything from story development with the …

ABT Time Episode 17 - Adventures in Visual Expression: Legendary film professor Bruce Block of USC School of Cinema Arts joined by Hollywood Directors Jason Ensler and Greg Tillman

August 10th, 2021

1:27:37

To talk "Bruce Block” in filmmaking means to discuss the 7 Elements of Visual Expression (space, line, shape, tone, color, movement, rhythm) in the …

ABT Time Episode 16 - Getting Down to Business: Park Howell, host of “The Business of Story” podcast, and I discuss our new book, “The Narrative Gym for Business.”

August 5th, 2021

47:16

Eight years ago Park Howell discovered the ABT and thought it might be useful. It’s now the centerpiece of all his communications training in the …

ABT Time Episode 15 - Silo Busting with “The Janis Joplin of History” (Dr. Patty Limerick)

July 28th, 2021

1:00:43

We have the tool for bridging the cultural divide between different programs and departments of institutions and organizations (Silo Busting). In …

ABT Time Episode 14 - The Unclenchables: Three Aussie Science Communicators Unclench with a Yank

July 22nd, 2021

1:03:08

It’s time for the Great Aussie Unclenching with Dr. Rod Lamberts, host of The Wholesome Show podcast, Jayde “The Estoner of Estonia” Lovell, and …

ABT Time Episode 13 - The ABT Variety Show, Roundup #1

July 15th, 2021

1:15:37

It’s Narrative Fitness Workout Time at the Narrative Gym with the ABT Trivia Contest (5 contestants), plus 2 ABT Build Exercises, combined with riotous laughter and non-stop hijinx, hilarity and horseplay.

Randy Olson …

ABT Time Episode 12 - Fun with Coral Reefs, starring Dr. Peter Sale and his new book, “Coral Reefs” with guest appearance from Dr. Bob Steneck

July 6th, 2021

1:00:48

Randy Olson and co-host Jen Martin dive into coral reefs with legendary coral reef fish ecologist Dr. Peter Sale, author of the new book, “Coral …

ABT Time Episode 11 - The Narrative Blitz Redux ANALYSIS: Part 2 (Blocks 3 & 4)

July 1st, 2021

1:30:05

Cohosts Randy Olson and Jen Martin (in Australia) lead the discussion of the second half of The Narrative Blitz that took place initially on April 14, run again on June 9. Joining them are Liz Foote, Dianna Padilla, …

ABT Time Episode 10 - TEACHING THE ABT, PART ONE (a 90 minute special)

June 24th, 2021

1:26:38

8 veteran ABT voices come together to synthesize a decade of experience in how to teach the ABT. If you’re interested in teaching the ABT, this 90 minute special is the very best resource to date. It features our 3 Step …

ABT Time Episode 9 - Talking “Seaspiracy” with Dr. Jennifer Jacquet and John Hocevar

June 17th, 2021

1:04:02

Randy Olson sets up the reality, perception and communication of ocean destruction, Jen Martin compares “My Octopus Teacher” to “Seaspiracy” (bottom line: it’s a lot more fun to watch), then Jennifer Jacquet and John …

ABT Time Episode 8 - The Narrative Blitz Redux ANALYSIS: Part 1 (Blocks 1 & 2)

June 10th, 2021

1:30:10

Cohosts Randy Olson and Jen Martin (in Australia) lead a 90 minute high energy, post-event discussion among 6 of the Narrative Blitz speakers: …

ABT Time Episode 7 - Fun with Hollywood Directors Jason Ensler and Greg Tillman

June 2nd, 2021

1:02:32

Randy Olson talks with two of his USC film school classmates about Bruce Block’s “Visual Storytelling,” Frank Daniel’s “Critical Thinking vs Creative …

ABT Time Episode 6 - Fun with Brian Palermo, Improv Actor

May 26th, 2021

1:04:52

Brian Palermo, long time collaborator of Randy Olson, joins Randy and Jen Martin to talk about improv training for scientists, why he doesn’t like …

ABT Time Episode 5 - Narrative Analysis of last week’s “Fire Above and Below”

May 20th, 2021

1:01:02

Randy Olson and Jen Martin are joined by fisheries biologist Julie Claussen to discuss four narrative elements in last week’s episode: 1) Narrative …

ABT Time Episode 4 - Fire Above and Below

May 13th, 2021

1:27:41

Fire ecology experts Dr. Christy Brigham (National Park Service, Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks) and Dr. Euan Ritchie (Wildlife Ecology and …

ABT Time Episode 3 - Fun With Dawkins

May 6th, 2021

1:12:30

Randy Olson and newly appointed Australian Correspondent Jen Martin discuss the idea of “Dobzhansky Checking,” have fun with stories about Richard Dawkins, and examine a science communication study that “isn’t even …

ABT Time Episode 2 - Young Stars

April 29th, 2021

1:03:36

Randy Olson talks with marine biologist Dr. Maria Byrne of Sydney University about YOUNG STARfish, and with 17 year old science filmmaker Amogh …

ABT Time Episode 1 - ABT Applause from our Friends in Oz

April 22nd, 2021

59:44

Australian guests Jen Martin, head of science communication training at Melbourne University, and Euan Belson of the Northern Tablelands Local Lands Service, join host Randy Olson to talk about what they’ve gotten out …

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