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Decoder with Nilay Patel

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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and wh… read more


It's brutal out here: Olivia Rodrigo and how the music business makes songwriters fight over credits

This week on Decoder we are doing something a little different. We're talking with Charlie Harding, co-host of the podcast Switched on Pop a podcast about pop music, about the state of the music industry particularly as it relates to copyright. The conversation is framed around Olivia Rodrigo's debut album Sour and why she keeps handing out songwriting credits months after the album was released. This is kind of a hybrid between an episode of Decoder and an episode of Switched on Pop. We play a lot of music throughout the episode and in case you want to go back and listen to full songs we've made playlists for both Spotify and Apple Music.

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Olivia Rodrigo Studied All the Right Moves

Why Taylor Swift is rerecording all her old songs

Olivia Rodrigo Gives Taylor Swift Songwriting Credit on Second ‘Sour’ Song, ‘Deja Vu’

Olivia Rodrigo Adds Paramore to Songwriting Credits on ‘Good 4 U’

‘Blurred Lines’ Copyright Suit Against Robin Thicke, Pharrell Ends in $5M Judgment


Katy Perry Wins Appeal in ‘Dark Horse’ Infringement Case


Led Zeppelin Wins Long ‘Stairway to Heaven’ Copyright Case


Isley Feels Vindicated In Bolton Case

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This episode was produced by Creighton DeSimone, Alexander Charles Adams, and Andrew Marino. We were edited by Callie Wright. And our music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. 

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