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George Will makes the conservative case against democracy

July 15th, 2019

It’s a good time to be a Republican. But it’s a bad time, George Will argues, to be a conservative. Hence his new, 700-page manifesto, The Conservative Sensibility, which tries to rescue conservatism from the …

What deliberative democracy can, and can’t, do (with Jane Mansbridge)

July 11th, 2019

Every time I do an episode on polarization, I get a few emails asking: What about deliberative democracy? Couldn’t that be an answer?

Deliberative …

Rod Dreher on America’s post-Christian culture war [CORRECTED]

July 8th, 2019

[A quick note about this episode - we have fixed an error that caused some listeners to hear overlapping audio in the first portion of the show. Thank you for your understanding, and we're sorry for the issue]

In 2017, …

White threat in a browning America (Jennifer Richeson re-air)

July 4th, 2019

This conversation with Yale psychologist and MacArthur genius Jennifer Richeson first appeared a year ago, and it’s one of my favorites. But I wanted …

Behind the panic in white, Christian America

July 1st, 2019

About seven in 10 American seniors are white Christians. Among young adults, fewer than three in 10 are. During the span of the Obama administration, …

An enlightening, frustrating conversation on liberalism (with Adam Gopnik)

June 27th, 2019

“Liberalism is as distinct a tradition as exists in political history, but it suffers from being a practice before it is an ideology, a temperament …

The cognitive cost of poverty (with Sendhil Mullainathan)

June 24th, 2019

If you’re a Parks and Rec fan, you’ll remember Ron Swanson’s Pyramid of Greatness. Right there at the base sits “Capitalism: God’s way of determining who is smart and who is poor.”

It’s a joke, but not really. Few want …

Failing towards Utopia

June 21st, 2019


Nice Try! is a new podcast from Curbed and the Vox Media Podcast Network that explores stories of people who have tried to design a better world, and what happens when those designs don't go according to plan. Season …

Why liberals and conservatives create such different media (with Danna Young)

June 20th, 2019

The debate over polarized media can make the two ecosystems sound equivalent. One is left, the other right, but otherwise they’re the same. That …

Stacey Abrams and Lauren Groh-Wargo (Live!)

June 17th, 2019

“The phrase ‘identity politics’ is a weaponization of the Democrats’ structural advantage in elections from now until eternity,” says Stacey Abrams.

This changed how I think about love (with Alison Gopnik)

June 13th, 2019

Alison Gopnik is a professor of psychology and philosophy at the University of California Berkeley. She’s published more than 100 journal articles …

The plan behind Elizabeth Warren’s plans

June 10th, 2019

Oligarchic capitalism? Elizabeth Warren has a plan for that. Opioid deaths? She’s got a plan for that too. Same is true for high housing costs, offshoring, child care, breaking up Big Tech, curbing congressional …

Michael Lewis reads my mind

June 6th, 2019

Michael Lewis needs little introduction. He’s the author of Liar’s Poker, Moneyball, The Big Short, The Blind Side, The Fifth Risk. He’s the host of …

How Mitch McConnell convinced Michael Bennet to run for president

June 3rd, 2019

I’m not sure what I expected Sen. Michael Bennet’s answer to be when I asked him why he was running for president. I didn’t expect it to be “Mitch McConnell.”

Since arriving in the Senate in 2009, Bennet has built a …

How the brains of master meditators change

May 30th, 2019

Richie Davidson has spent a lifetime studying meditation. He’s studied it as a practitioner, sitting daily, going on retreats, and learning under masters. And he’s pioneered the study of it as a scientist, working with …

Why good people are easily corrupted (with Lawrence Lessig)

May 27th, 2019

I’ve been learning from, and arguing with, Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig for a decade now. We have a long-running debate over whether money …

The art of attention (with Jenny Odell)

May 23rd, 2019

“For some, there may be a kind of engineer’s satisfaction in the streamlining and networking of our entire lived experience,” writes Jenny Odell. …

Matt Yglesias and Jenny Schuetz solve the housing crisis

May 20th, 2019


In this special crossover episode, Brookings Institution’s Jenny Schuetz joins The Weeds’ Matt Yglesias to discuss subsidies, zoning reform, and much more.

What kind of news is cable news? (With Brian Stelter)

May 16th, 2019

Brian Stelter is the host of CNN’s Reliable Sources, as well as the network’s chief media correspondent. But before he was the host of Reliable Sources, he was just a kid with a blog — a blog that obsessed over the …

Contrapoints on taking the trolls seriously

May 13th, 2019

YouTube is where tomorrow’s politics are happening today.
If you’re over 30, and you don’t spend much time on the platform, it’s almost impossible to …

The purpose of political violence

May 9th, 2019

“Between 1830 and 1860, there were more than seventy violent incidents between congressmen in the House and Senate chambers or on nearby streets and …

Ask Ezra Anything 3: Endgame

May 6th, 2019

Time for another AMA! You all hit the big stuff in this one. What’s the purpose of this show? How do I prep for it? What did I think of the Whiteshift conversation? What has fatherhood changed in my worldview? What …

The disillusionment of David Brooks

May 2nd, 2019

2013 was David Brooks’s worst year. “The realities that used to define my life fell away,” he says. His marriage ended. His children moved out. The …

Emily Oster schools me on parenthood

April 29th, 2019

I’ve read a lot of Emily Oster over the past year. Her first book, Expecting Better, has become the data-minded parent’s bible on pregnancy. Her new book, Cribsheet, extends that analysis to the first years of life.

Lessons from Vox’s first 5 years

April 25th, 2019

This is a special episode for me. Vox turns 5 this week! So I sat down with my co-founders, Melissa Bell and Matt Yglesias, to discuss what went right, what went wrong, what changed in the media environment, and what we …

Work as identity, burnout as lifestyle

April 22nd, 2019

In the past few months, two essays on America’s changing relationship to work caught my eye. The first was Anne Helen Petersen’s viral BuzzFeed piece defining, and describing, “millennial burnout.” The second was Derek …

How social democrats won Europe — then lost it

April 18th, 2019

Democratic socialism is on the rise in the United States, but it’s been a dominant force for far longer in Europe. Ask Bernie Sanders to define his …

In defense of white-backlash politics

April 15th, 2019

“The big question of our time is less, ‘What does it mean to be American?’ than, ‘What does it mean to be white American in an age of ethnic …

Identity, nationalism, and fatherhood

April 11th, 2019

Michael Brendan Dougherty is a senior writer at National Review and the author of My Father Left Me Ireland, a moving, lyrical memoir about fatherhood and identity. It’s also a stirring defense of nationalism, an attack …

An ex-libertarian’s quest to rebuild the center right

April 8th, 2019

Nothing would do more to repair American politics than for the center right to regain power in the Republican coalition. But before that can happen, …

How whiteness distorts our democracy, with Eddie Glaude Jr.

April 4th, 2019

“Race isn’t about black people, necessarily,” says Eddie Glaude Jr. “It’s about the way whiteness works to disfigure and distort our democracy, and the ideals that animate our democracy.”
Glaude is the chair of Princeton …

Pete Buttigieg’s theory of political change

April 1st, 2019

First off. Hello! I’m back from paternity leave. And this is a helluva podcast to restart with.

Pete Buttigieg is a Rhodes scholar, a Navy veteran, …

Meet the policy architect behind the Green New Deal

March 28th, 2019

Last month, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Ed Markey introduced a Green New Deal resolution, outlining a bold effort to decarbonize the US …

The somewhat fractured state of American conservatism

March 25th, 2019

Matthew Continetti, editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon, sits down with Vox senior politics reporter Jane Coaston to discuss intellectual …

American politics after Christianity, with Ross Douthat

March 21st, 2019

I’m Vox’s interviews writer, Sean Illing. Lately, I’ve been interested in the following question: Is the decline of institutionalized Christianity …

Why Gov. Jay Inslee is running for president on climate change

March 18th, 2019

Vox senior politics reporter, Jane Coaston speaks to Washington Gov. Jay Inslee at South by Southwest about climate change, his 2020 candidacy, why …

ICYMI: Julia Galef

March 14th, 2019

For this episode of The Ezra Klein Show, we're digging into the archives to share another of our favorites with you!
At least in politics, this is an …

The roots of extremism, with Deeyah Khan

March 11th, 2019

What draws someone into an extremist movement? Is it about ideology? Race? Politics? So many of our discussions about extremism try to explain away …

ICYMI: Paul Krugman

March 7th, 2019

For this episode of the Ezra Klein show we're digging back into the archives to share another of our favorite episodes with you!


On October 24, …

Pop music can make you smarter

March 6th, 2019

Vox takes culture seriously. Our coverage of movies, TV, books, and music delves deep into what our cultural touchstones reveal about who we are and …

Life after climate change, with David Wallace-Wells

March 4th, 2019

After years of hovering on the periphery of American politics, never quite the star of the show, it seems that climate change is having a moment. An …

Pramila Jayapal thinks we can get to Medicare-for-All fast

February 28th, 2019

The Democratic Party is quickly coalescing around an ambitious Medicare-for-All platform — and Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) is shaping up to be a major voice in that debate.

Jayapal co-chairs the Congressional Progressive …

Noah Rothman on the "unjustice" of social justice politics

February 25th, 2019

I'm Jane Coaston, senior politics reporter at Vox with a focus on conservatism and the GOP.
For the last three years or so, there has been an ongoing …

Why should we care about deficits?

February 21st, 2019

Stony Brook University’s Stephanie Kelton is the most influential proponent of Modern Monetary Theory, a heterodox take on government budgets that urges a focus on inflation, rather than deficits. Jason Furman was …

Anniversary special: Rachel Maddow

February 18th, 2019

To celebrate The Ezra Klein Show's third anniversary, I’m listening back to the very first episode: a conversation with Rachel Maddow. 
Rachel is, of course, the host of MSNBC's primetime news show and a best-selling …

Andrew Sullivan and I work out our differences

February 14th, 2019

I’ve been arguing with Andrew Sullivan online for almost 15 years now. It’s one of my oldest and most rewarding hobbies. In the past, I’ve always …

The core contradiction of American politics

February 11th, 2019

The Republican and Democratic parties are not the same. I’ll say it again: The Republican and Democratic parties are not the same.

I don’t just mean they believe different things. I mean they’re composed in different …

Leftists vs. liberals, with Elizabeth Bruenig

February 7th, 2019

What separates Obama-era liberalism from Sanders-style democratic socialism? What are the fights splitting and transforming the Democratic Party actually about?
This is a conversation I’ve wanted to have for a while, in …

The world according to Ralph Nader

February 4th, 2019

Ralph Nader needs no introduction. But if your knowledge of Nader mostly consists of his 2000 campaign for the presidency, his career does demand …

This conversation will change how you understand misogyny

January 31st, 2019

Misogyny has long been understood as something men feel, not something women experience. That, says philosopher Kate Manne, is a mistake. In her book Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny, Manne defines misogyny as “as …

Ending the age of animal cruelty, with Bruce Friedrich

January 28th, 2019

You often hear that eating animals is natural. And it is. But not the way we do it.

The industrial animal agriculture system is a technological …

Robert Sapolsky on the toxic intersection of poverty and stress

January 24th, 2019

Robert Sapolsky is a Stanford neuroscientist and primatologist. He’s the author of a slew of important books on human biology and behavior. But it’s …

Frances Lee on why bipartisanship is irrational

January 21st, 2019

There aren’t too many people with an idea that will actually change how you think about American politics. But Frances Lee is one of them. In her new …

Sean Decatur doesn’t see a free speech crisis on campus

January 17th, 2019

Sean Decatur is the president of Kenyon College and the first African-American to hold that job. He’s also one of the most thoughtful voices in the …

Cal Newport has an answer for digital burnout

January 14th, 2019

Cal Newport suspects you’re a digital maximalist — someone who believes that any potential for benefit is reason enough to start using a new …

Eric Holder’s plan to save democracy

January 10th, 2019


Eric Holder was attorney general during the first six years of Barack Obama’s presidency, and there are days when it feels like he’s the attorney …

Anil Dash on the biases of tech

January 7th, 2019


“Marc Andreessen famously said that ‘software is eating the world,’ but it’s far more accurate to say that the neoliberal values of software tycoons …

Jill Lepore on America’s two revolutions

January 3rd, 2019


Jill Lepore is a Harvard historian, a New Yorker contributor, and the author of These Truths, a dazzling one-volume synthesis of American history. …

Best of: N.K. Jemisin

December 31st, 2018


This is the most fun I’ve ever had on a podcast. Nora Jemisin — better known by her pen name, N.K. Jemisin — won the Hugo Award for best novel this year for the third year in a row. No one had ever done that before. …

Best-of: Bryan Stevenson

December 27th, 2018


Here, at the holidays, I wanted to share some of my favorite episodes of the show with you. Bryan Stevenson tops the list. He’s the founder of the …

Kara Swisher interviews me on the Future of Journalism (Live!)

December 24th, 2018


When I decided to start an interview podcast, the first person I went to for advice was Kara Swisher — founder of Recode, host of the Code Conference and the Recode/Decode podcast, and one of the most legendary …

TED’s Chris Anderson on the lessons of listening

December 20th, 2018


You know TED. Black stage, red accents, wireless mic, one speaker. Billions of views each year. TED is more than a conference now; it’s a meme: “Thanks for coming to my TED talk” closes Tumblr and Twitter posts. Chris …

Rep. Katie Porter on how capitalism is failing

December 17th, 2018


Katie Porter is the Rep.-elect from California’s 45th District, which happens to be the district I grew up in. She’s part of the brigade of Democrats who turned Orange County blue for the first time since the Great …

How Hasan Minhaj is reinventing political comedy

December 13th, 2018


In Patriot Act, Hasan Minhaj’s new Netflix show, he does three things political comedians often don’t do. First, he makes political comedy personal. …

Adam Serwer on white political correctness

December 10th, 2018


“What a society finds offensive is not a function of fact or truth,” writes Adam Serwer, “but of power.” Serwer is a writer at the Atlantic, and he’s …

Will Storr on why you are not yourself

December 6th, 2018


“To have a self is to feel as if we are, in the words of neuroscientist Professor Chris Frith, the ‘invisible actor at the centre of the world’.” That’s Will Storr, writing in his fantastic book Selfie. Ignore the very …

How to be a better carnivore

December 3rd, 2018


Here are two things I believe. First, the way we treat the animals we kill for food is shameful. Second, only a tiny percentage of the population …

Peter Beinart on anti-Semitism in America and illiberalism in Israel

November 29th, 2018


This is a conversation I’ve been putting off, if I’m being honest. I can’t hold it from the safe space of journalistic distance. It’s about the …

Where Jonathan Haidt thinks the American mind went wrong

November 26th, 2018


Jonathan Haidt is a psychologist at New York University and the co-founder of Heterodox University. His book The Righteous Mind, which describes the …

The Impact: Deportation without representation

November 22nd, 2018


For Thanksgiving listening, I have an episode of The Impact, from my Weeds co-host Sarah Kliff. The Impact is a show about how policy shapes our …

Molly Ball on Nancy Pelosi’s future and Paul Ryan’s failure

November 19th, 2018


The midterm elections are being interpreted almost entirely as a referendum on President Donald Trump. But it was also a referendum on Paul Ryan’s …

Whitney Phillips explains how Trump controls the media

November 15th, 2018


Here’s a fun fact: The best training for understanding the president’s media strategy is to have studied internet trolls for years and years. Okay, …

Ask Ezra Anything

November 12th, 2018


You had questions. Smart, interesting questions. Questions about the zero-sum logic of markets, about whether compromise is possible or even …

Presidents in crisis with Slow Burn’s Leon Neyfakh

November 8th, 2018


Slow Burn is one of my favorite podcasts of the past few years. Its first season, on Watergate, relived the confusion, chaos, and strangeness of the …

Sandy Darity has a plan to close the wealth gap

November 5th, 2018


Here’s something to consider: For families in which the lead earner has a college degree, the average white family has $180,500 in wealth. The …

How identity politics elected Donald Trump

November 1st, 2018


Identity Crisis is the most important book written on the 2016 election. Based on reams of data covering virtually every controversy, theory, and explanation for the outcome, it settles many of the debates that have …

Rep. Mark Sanford on losing the Republican Party to Donald Trump

October 29th, 2018


Mark Sanford was elected to Congress in 1994, where he quickly established himself as one of the most conservative members of the chamber. In 2002, …

Doris Kearns Goodwin (live!) on how great presidents are made

October 25th, 2018


If you’ve got a question, Doris Kearns Goodwin has a charming, insightful, well-told presidential anecdote for you. Actually, a couple of them.

I …

What Nate Silver's learned about forecasting elections

October 22nd, 2018


This close to an election, who do I want to hear from? Nate Silver, of course. I sat down with the FiveThirtyEight founder and math wizard to talk about how he builds his forecasting models, what they’re saying about …

Jay Rosen is pessimistic about the media. So am I.

October 18th, 2018


This is a tough conversation. It was a tough one to hold, and it’s a tough one to publish. I’m a journalist. I’ve been a journalist for 15 years. I …

Why Bill Gates is worried

October 15th, 2018


“To put it bluntly,” wrote Bill and Melinda Gates in their foundation’s annual Goalkeepers Report, “decades of stunning progress in the fight against poverty and disease may be on the verge of stalling. This is because …

Reihan Salam makes the case against open borders

October 11th, 2018


In his new book, Melting Pot or Civil War: A Son of Immigrants Makes the Case Against Open Borders, Reihan Salam tries to do something difficult: …

Jose Antonio Vargas on living undocumented in Trump’s America

October 8th, 2018


Jose Antonio Vargas was born in the Philippines in 1981. When he was 12, his mother sent him to America, to live with family. When he was 16, he went to the DMV to get a driver's license and found out his green card was …

Rebecca Traister: Women's rage is transforming America

October 4th, 2018


Why did Christine Blasey Ford have to smile and politely ask for breaks while Brett Kavanaugh could rage at the cameras and dismiss the hearings as a …

Patrick Deneen says liberalism has failed. Is he right?

October 1st, 2018


Liberalism, write Patrick Deneen, "has been for modern Americans like water for a fish, an encompassing political ecosystem in which we have swum, …

Francis Fukuyama’s case against identity politics

September 27th, 2018


Is all politics identity politics? And if so, then what does it mean to condemn identity politics in the first place? That’s the subject of my …

Carol Anderson on the myth of American democracy

September 24th, 2018


The president of the United States was the runner-up in the popular vote. The majority in the US Senate got fewer votes than the minority. And even …

Martha C. Nussbaum on how fear deforms our politics

September 17th, 2018


In her new book Monarchy of Fear, famed philosopher Martha C. Nussbaum identifies fear as the oldest and deepest of our emotions. Fear takes hold in …

David French on “The Great White Culture War"

September 10th, 2018


David French is a senior writer for National Review and one of the conservatives I read most closely. About a month ago, he published an interesting …

Your attention is being hijacked. Chris Bailey can help.

September 4th, 2018


Life is the sum focus of what you pay attention to. You hear that a lot. But look at the verb there: “pay” attention to. As if attention is something …

Anand Giridharadas on the elite charade of changing the world

August 30th, 2018


“How can there be anything wrong with trying to do good?” asks Anand Giridharadas in his new book, Winners Take All. “The answer may be: when the good is an accomplice to even greater, if more invisible, harm.” …

I build a world with fantasy master N.K. Jemisin

August 27th, 2018


I’m just going to say it. This may be the most fun I’ve ever had on a podcast. Nora Jemisin — better known by her pen name, N.K. Jemisin — just won the Hugo Award for best novel for the third year in a row. No one had …

Reup: Zephyr Teachout vs. Corruption

August 24th, 2018


Zephyr Teachout is a law professor at Fordham University and one of the nation’s foremost experts on political corruption. She’s also, after a …

Is our economy totally screwed? Andrew Yang and I debate.

August 20th, 2018


"The future without jobs will come to resemble either the cultivated benevolence of Star Trek or the desperate scramble for resources of Mad Max,” …

Chef Marcus Samuelsson on immigration, creativity, and Anthony Bourdain

August 13th, 2018


Marcus Samuelsson is the Michelin-starred chef behind Harlem’s The Red Rooster an award-winning cookbook author,the winner of the first season of Top Chef: Masters, ;nd the host of No Passport Required, a new food and …

Why online politics gets so extreme so fast

August 6th, 2018


During the 2016 campaign, Zeynep Tufekci was watching videos of Donald Trump rallies on YouTube. But then, she writes, she "noticed something …

Taking Trump’s corruption seriously

August 2nd, 2018


The question of whether President Trump colluded with Russia during the 2016 election has consumed Washington since the Justice Department appointed …

The surprising story of how American politics polarized

July 30th, 2018


We talk a lot on this podcast about the epic levels of political polarization and how much of our ongoing breakdown they explain. But what was …

The most important idea for understanding American politics in 2018

July 23rd, 2018


America is changing. A majority of infants are, for the first time in US history, nonwhite — and the rest of the population is expected to follow …

What economists and politicians get wrong about trade

July 19th, 2018


For decades, Harvard’s Dani Rodrik has been a lonely voice in the economics profession warning that the academics were getting this one wrong. Trade …

How to disagree better

July 16th, 2018


Arthur Brooks is the president of the American Enterprise Institute, one of Washington’s most respected and powerful conservative think tanks. He’s …

Jaron Lanier’s case for deleting social media right now

July 9th, 2018


During my book leave, I took a social media sabbatical. No reading Facebook. No reading Twitter. And you know what? It was great. I felt able to think more clearly, and listen more closely, than had been true in years. …

The most clarifying conversation I’ve had about Trump and Russia (part 2)

July 5th, 2018


What have we actually learned about Donald Trump’s ties to Russia, and his administration’s efforts to cover those ties up? What role did Russia …

The Supreme Court vs. Democracy

July 2nd, 2018


If 75,000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania had tipped the other way, President Hillary Clinton would’ve named both Antonin Scalia and …

Eric Garcetti on the lessons of Los Angeles

June 25th, 2018


There’s been a lot of talk about the coming of majority-minority America — the point, projected for roughly 2045, when there will no longer be any racial or ethnic group that makes up a majority of the United States. …

What Ellen Pao saw coming

June 18th, 2018


Ellen Pao had a rough 2015. She lost her high-profile gender discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins, one of Silicon Valley’s biggest and most …

The Green Pill

June 11th, 2018


What accounts for the way most of us eat? What’s the ideology, the theory, behind our diets? And what happens when you stop believing in it?

Over the …

How Jane Mayer exposed Eric Schneiderman, Bush’s torture program, and the Kochs

June 4th, 2018


On May 7, Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow published a story in the New Yorker detailing New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman’s alleged history of …

Political power and the racial wealth gap

May 28th, 2018


The racial wealth gap is where past injustice compounds into present inequality. When I asked Ta-Nehisi Coates, on this show, what would prove to him …

Tyler Cowen on the painful end of American complacency

May 21st, 2018


Headlining any conversation with Tyler Cowen is difficult. This one, for instance, covers how to write a book, single-payer health care, political …

A mind-expanding conversation with Michael Pollan

May 14th, 2018


This is perhaps the most literal title I’ve given a conversation on this podcast. This is a discussion about how to expand your mind — how to expand the connections it makes, the experiences it’s open to, the sensory …

Optimism about America

May 7th, 2018


In a February 2017 column, David Brooks wrote about "the Fallows Question, which I unfurl at dinner parties: If you could move to the place on earth …

The New York Times’s lead Clinton reporter reflects on her coverage

May 3rd, 2018


It’s time to talk about the damn emails — and the way the media covered them.

Amy Chozick reported on Hillary Clinton for a decade. She was there as Clinton’s campaign fell short in the 2008 Democratic primaries. And as …

The age of "mega-identity" politics

April 30th, 2018


Yes, identity politics is breaking our country. But it’s not identity politics as we’re used to thinking about it. 

In Uncivil Agreement: How Politics …

Is American democracy really in decline? A debate.

April 23rd, 2018


Yascha Mounk’s new book, The People vs. Democracy: Why Our Freedom Is in Danger and How to Save It, is perhaps the year’s scariest read. In it, Mounk argues that “liberal democracy, the unique mix of individual rights …

Special episode: The Syrian conflict, explained by a UN diplomat who saw it start

April 20th, 2018


Many of you will remember the interview I did with Grant Gordon, who works on humanitarian policy innovation at the International Rescue Committee. …

Is modern society making us depressed?

April 16th, 2018


“What if depression is, in fact, a form of grief — for our own lives not being as they should?” asks Johann Hari. “What if it is a form of grief for …

Carol Anderson on White Rage and Donald Trump

April 12th, 2018


Carol Anderson is a professor of African-American studies at Emory University and the author of White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide.

The Sam Harris Debate

April 9th, 2018


There’s a lot of backstory to this podcast, most of which is covered in this piece. The short version is that Sam Harris, the host of the Waking Up podcast, and I have been going back and forth over an interview Harris …

Mark Zuckerberg on Facebook’s hardest year, and what comes next

April 2nd, 2018


It’s been a tough year for Facebook. The social networking juggernaut found itself engulfed by controversies over fake news, electoral interference, …

Is Mitch Landrieu the "White, Southern Anti-Trump"?

March 26th, 2018


Mitch Landrieu is the white mayor of New Orleans, and he wants America to talk about race. Landrieu is the author of the new book, In The Shadow of Statues: A White Southerner Confronts History. The statues he refers to …

Melinda Gates (live!) on stopping climate change, ending malaria, and the problems money can’t solve

March 19th, 2018


Melinda Gates is the co-founder and co-chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the largest private foundation in the United States. With more than $40 billion in assets, the Gates Foundation works on a dizzying …

A better conversation on guns

March 12th, 2018


Want to know why we can’t make any progress on the guns debate? Because this isn’t a debate over policy. It’s a debate over identity.

After last …

This isn’t Joe Kennedy’s grandfather’s Democratic Party, and he knows it

March 5th, 2018


When you’re sitting in front of Rep. Joe Kennedy, it’s clear that you’re sitting in front of a Kennedy. The face, the jawline — it’s all uncannily familiar.

But Kennedy, the grandson of Robert F. Kennedy, is rising in a …

Amy Chua on how tribalism is tearing America apart

February 26th, 2018


Human beings are tribal creatures, particularly when they feel threatened. And the reality of living in America in 2018, at a time of massive …

How technology brings out the worst in us, with Tristan Harris

February 19th, 2018


In 2011, Tristan Harris’s company, Apture, was acquired by Google. Inside Google, he became unnerved by how the company worked. There was all this energy going into making the products better, more addicting, more …

Steven Pinker: enlightenment values made this the best moment in human history

February 12th, 2018


Does the daily news feel depressing? Does the world feel grim? It’s not, says Harvard professor Steven Pinker. This is, in fact, the best moment in …

Why my politics are bad with Bhaskar Sunkara

February 5th, 2018


Bhaskar Sunkara is the founder and publisher of Jacobin, a journal of “socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture.” He launched the …

How Democracies Die

January 29th, 2018


The year is young, but Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt’s How Democracies Die is going to be one of its most important books. It will be read as a commentary on Donald Trump, which is fair enough, because the book is, …

How to oppose Trump without becoming more like him

January 22nd, 2018


Krista Tippett is the host of the award-winning radio show and podcast On Being. In 2014, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal by President Barack Obama. For good reason. She's created, over decades, something …

You will love this conversation with Jaron Lanier, but I can’t describe it

January 15th, 2018


Oftentimes it’s easy for me to describe these conversations. This one is on Trump and Russia. That one is on health care. But not this time.

I want you to listen to this conversation, because Jaron Lanier is brilliant …

The most clarifying conversation I’ve had on Trump and Russia

January 8th, 2018


What really happened between the Trump campaign and the Russian government?

The investigation into that question has rocked American politics. The FBI …

Pod Save America’s Jon Favreau on Trump’s first year, the GOP’s “rot,” and the left’s failures

January 2nd, 2018


Jon Favreau was President Obama’s chief speechwriter. In those days, he was a frequent critic of the political media, frustrated, as many in the …

The inside story of Doug Jones’s win in Alabama

December 25th, 2017


“The day before the Washington Post story came out, we were behind by one point, 46 to 45,” says Joe Trippi. “And the day before the election, we were ahead in our own survey by two points. We ended up winning by 1.8.”

What life is like in North Korea

December 18th, 2017


The most important story in the world right now is how real the chance of war with North Korea is — and how cataclysmic such a war would be.

Part of …

"An orgy of serious policy discussion" with Paul Krugman

December 11th, 2017


On October 24, 2016, in the final days of the presidential election, Paul Krugman, the Nobel-prize winning economist and New York Times columnist, …

The case for impeachment

December 4th, 2017


I have grown obsessed with a seemingly simple question: Does the American political system have a remedy if we elect the wrong person to be …

What Buddhism got right about the human brain

November 27th, 2017


I wanted to take a post-Thanksgiving break from politics and current events this week to talk to Robert Wright. He's written some of the best books …

Rebecca Traister on #MeToo, female rage, and Anita Hill’s legacy

November 20th, 2017


We’re living through an upheaval. The #MeToo moment has engulfed some of the most powerful men in politics, entertainment, and media. It has also …

Ai-jen Poo: the future of work isn’t robots. It’s caring humans.

November 13th, 2017


When we talk about the future of work, we usually focus on artificial intelligence, robotics, driverless cars. The future of work, we’re told, is a …

Evan Osnos on the North Korea crisis, Trump’s mental health, and China's rise

November 6th, 2017


Evan Osnos is the author of the National Book Award-winning The Age of Ambition: Chasing Fortune, Truth, and Faith in the New China, as well as a staff writer at the New Yorker. And he’s recently back from a trip to …

Why politics needs more conflict, not less

October 30th, 2017


Here’s a counterintuitive thought: maybe Congress in particular, and politics in general, has too little conflict, not too much.

That’s James …

Why the Weinstein scandal gives Tig Notaro hope about Hollywood

October 23rd, 2017


Tig Notaro dropped out of high school. She drifted between odd jobs for a long time and eventually found her way to Colorado, where she discovered …

What happens when human beings take control of their own evolution?

October 16th, 2017


Over the past decade, scientists have developed what was once just the subject of dystopian fiction: gene editing technology.

It's known as CRISPR. …

Ta-Nehisi Coates is not here to comfort you

October 9th, 2017


“It’s important to remember the inconsequence of one’s talent and hard work and the incredible and unmatched sway of luck and fate,” writes Ta-Nehisi Coates in his new book, We Were Eight Years in Power.

Coates’s view of …

How the Republican Party created Donald Trump

October 2nd, 2017


Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein have studied American politics for more than three decades. They are the town’s go-to experts on the workings of …

Reihan Salam wants to remake the Republican Party -- again

September 25th, 2017


In 2008, Reihan Salam co-wrote Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream with his frequent collaborator …

David Remnick on journalism in the Trump era and why he hires obsessives

September 19th, 2017


For the past 19 years, David Remnick has been the editor of the New Yorker, perhaps the greatest magazine in the English language. Under his leadership, the New Yorker has received 149 nominations for National Magazine …

What Hillary Clinton really thinks

September 12th, 2017


On page 239 of What Happened, Hillary Clinton reveals that she almost ran a very different campaign in 2016. Before announcing for president, she read Peter Barnes’s book With Liberty and Dividends for All, and became …

Dan Rather thought he'd seen it all. But then came President Trump.

September 5th, 2017


Dan Rather has covered the most momentous events of the modern era. He was in Dallas, Texas, during President Kennedy's assassination. He was in Vietnam, embedded with US troops, in 1965 and 1966. He reported on …

From 4Chan to Charlottesville: where the alt-right came from, and where it's going

August 29th, 2017


Angela Nagle spent the better part of the past decade in the darkest corners of the internet, learning how online subcultures emerge and thrive on …

Why prosecutors, not cops, are the keys to criminal justice reform

August 22nd, 2017


Angela J. Davis is the former director of the DC public defender service, a professor of law at American University, and editor of a remarkable new …

Chris Hayes on whether Trump should be removed from office

August 15th, 2017


In the aftermath of Trump’s bizarre, dangerous North Korea tweets, I’ve been fixated on a question: Should Trump be removed from office?


The …

Sen. Michael Bennet on why this is a dismal, sociopathic era in Congress

August 8th, 2017


Michael Bennet is an accidental senator. He was unexpectedly appointed to fill an open seat after Ken Salazar joined the Obama administration. He had never run for elected office before, or served in a legislative body. …

What’s scary isn’t Trump’s illiberalism but America's acceptance of it

August 1st, 2017


Yascha Mounk is a lecturer at Harvard, a columnist at Slate, and the host of The Good Fight podcast. He’s also an expert on how democracies backslide …

Julia Galef on how to argue better and change your mind more

July 25th, 2017


At least in politics, this is an era of awful arguments. Arguments made in bad faith. Arguments in which no one, on either side, is willing to change …

Dr. Nneka Jones Tapia, the first psychologist to run a jail

July 18th, 2017


Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart calls the 8,000-person Cook County Jail the largest mental health institution in the country. Thirty percent of its inmates have diagnosed mental health issues, and the number with …

Eddie Izzard on World War I, cake or death, and marathoning

July 11th, 2017


Now that I've gotten Eddie Izzard to re-derive his famed "cake or death?" routine in real time, I'm ending this podcast. Always good to go out on top.

Okay, maybe I won't actually end it. But this episode was a thrill to …

Avik Roy and Ezra debate the Senate GOP's health bill

July 3rd, 2017


According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Senate GOP’s health care bill — officially known as the Better Care Reconciliation Act — will lead to 22 million fewer people with health insurance and plans with such …

danah boyd on why fake news is so easy to believe

June 27th, 2017


danah boyd is an anthropologist and computer scientist who studies the way people actually use technology. Not the way we wish we used technology, or …

Al Franken on learning to be a politician

June 20th, 2017


Sen. Al Franken’s new book, Al Franken, Giant of the Senate, is the rare politician memoir that’s actually interesting. And note that I said …

Zephyr Teachout on suing Trump, fighting corruption, and breaking monopolies

June 13th, 2017


Zephyr Teachout is a law professor at Fordham University, the author of Corruption in America, one of the lead lawyers in the emoluments case that’s …

Masha Gessen offers a plausible Trump-Russia theory

June 6th, 2017


Masha Gessen is a Russian-American journalist and the author of, among other books, The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin. Since the election, she has been analyzing Donald Trump through the lens …

Kwame Anthony Appiah on cosmopolitanism

May 30th, 2017


Few words are as reviled in American politics as “cosmopolitan.” The term invokes sneering, urban, elite condescension. It’s those smug cosmopolitans …

Yascha Mounk: Is Trump’s incompetence saving us from his illiberalism?

May 23rd, 2017


Yascha Mounk is a Lecturer on Government at Harvard University, a Fellow in the Political Reform Program at New America, and host of the podcast, The …

Bryan Stevenson on why the opposite of poverty isn’t wealth, but justice

May 16th, 2017


Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative. He and his staff have won reversals, relief, or release for more than 115 wrongly convicted prisoners on death row. He’s the author …

Death, Sex, and Money’s Anna Sale on bringing empathy to politics

May 9th, 2017


There’s much talk of “empathy” in today’s politics, but it’s a cramped, weaponized form of empathy — an empathy designed to force us to grudgingly …

Cory Booker returns, live, to talk trust, Trump, and basic incomes

May 4th, 2017


Senator Cory Booker is back! In this special live episode of The Ezra Klein Show — taped at Vox Conversations — Booker and I dig into America’s …

VC Bill Gurley on transforming health care

May 2nd, 2017


Washington has been gripped of late by the world’s most depressing, least imaginative, debate over health care. The question, as it stands, is whether Obamacare will survive (while being mildly, but persistently, …

Elizabeth Warren on what Barack Obama got wrong

April 25th, 2017


Elizabeth Warren is the founder of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the senior senator from Massachusetts, and the author of the new book, “This Fight Is Our Fight: The Battle to Save America's Middle …

Cal Newport on doing Deep Work and escaping social media

April 18th, 2017


I was asked recently to name a book that changed my life. The book I chose was Cal Newport’s “Deep Work,” and for the most literal of reasons: it’s …

G. Willow Wilson on religion, comics, and modern myths

April 11th, 2017


This is a podcast about topics we don’t always cover on this show. Religion. Spirituality. Gender roles. Traditionalist societies. Comic books.G. …

Chris Hayes on the crisis of elites and the politics of order

April 4th, 2017


I could describe this podcast, and I will. But the tl;dr is this is one of my favorite conversations so far, and you’re going to enjoy it. So just go …

Tyler Cowen explains it all

March 28th, 2017


I have never come across a mind quite like Tyler Cowen’s. The George Mason economist, and Marginal Revolution blogger, has an interesting opinion on, …

Molly Ball on whether facts matter in politics

March 21st, 2017


You may remember the Atlantic's Molly Ball from the fantastic pre-election conversation we had on this podcast. She's back this week to talk about an …

Denis McDonough on how to run the White House

March 14th, 2017


How do you actually run a White House? What is the president’s actual job? What is the chief of staff’s role? What happens if you screw up? These are …

Cecile Richards on Planned Parenthood, labor organizing, and the Supreme Court

March 7th, 2017


Before Cecile Richards was president of Planned Parenthood, she was a labor organizer working with garment workers in El Paso, Texas. The experience …

Tim Ferriss on suffering, psychedelics, and spirituality

March 2nd, 2017


Tim Ferriss is the author of the 4-Hour Workweek, as well as the new book, Tools of Titans. He’s also the host of The Tim Ferriss Show, which is one …

Yuval Harari, author of “Sapiens,” on AI, religion, and 60-day meditation retreats

February 28th, 2017


Yuval Noah Harari’s first book, “Sapiens,” was an international sensation. The Israeli historian’s mind-bending tour through the trump of Homo sapiens is a favorite of, among others, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and …

Elizabeth Drew covered Watergate. Here's what she thinks of Trump.

February 21st, 2017


Elizabeth Drew is the author of Washington Journal, one of my favorite books about Watergate. Drew covered the story as a reporter for the New Yorker, and the book emerges from the real-time, journalistic diary she kept …

Avik Roy on why conservatives need to embrace diversity

February 14th, 2017


Avik Roy advised Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign on health care, ran the policy shop on Rick Perry’s 2016 campaign, and then worked for Marco Rubio after …

Kara Swisher gives a master class on reporting and interviewing

February 7th, 2017


Before I launched this podcast, I asked Kara Swisher to coffee. Swisher founded the technology news site Recode, hosts the excellent Recode Decode …

David Miliband explains the global refugee crisis

February 2nd, 2017


Donald Trump's executive order temporarily banning Muslim refugees from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen, and indefinitely banning them from Syria, doesn't come in a vacuum. The world is currently experience …

Jennifer Lawless on why you — yes, you — should run for office

January 31st, 2017


There are 500,000 elected positions in the United States. I'll say that again: 500,000. And that's no accident. "Our political system is built on the …

JD Vance: the reluctant interpreter of Trumpism

January 24th, 2017


J.D. Vance's Hillbilly Elegy has been adopted as the book that explains Trumpism. It's the book that both Senator Mitch McConnell and Senator Rob Portman recommended as their favorite of 2016. It's a book Keith Ellison, …

Keith Ellison: The Democratic National Committee has become the Democratic Presidential Committee, and that needs to end

January 17th, 2017


Congressman Keith Ellison is the frontrunner to lead the Democratic National Committee in the Trump era. Ellison has a fascinating backstory: he's the first Muslim elected to the US Congress, and he was the second …

Elizabeth Kolbert: We have locked in centuries of climate change

January 10th, 2017


Elizabeth Kolbert covers climate change for the New Yorker. She's the Pulitzer prize-winning author of The Sixth Extinction. And she recently wrote a …

Sarah Kliff and Ezra Interview Obama About Obamacare

January 6th, 2017


Two weeks before he leaves office, President Obama sits down for a lengthy conversation about the lessons of the Affordable Care Act and the law's uncertain future.

You Ask, Ezra Answers

January 3rd, 2017


At long last, here’s the Ask Ezra Anything episode. You sent in great questions, and I answered as many as I could. To keep me honest — and to make …

Evelyn Farkas explains the crisis in Syria and the threat of Russia

December 27th, 2016


From 2012 to 2015, Evelyn Farkas served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia, where she was responsible for …

Tim Wu's interesting, unusual, fascinating life

December 20th, 2016


Columbia law professor Tim Wu makes me feel boring and underaccomplished. He’s been a Supreme Court clerk, a Silicon Valley startup employee, a …

Ta-Nehisi Coates: "There’s not gonna be a happy ending to this story"

December 14th, 2016


Ta-Nehisi Coates is an author at the Atlantic. His book, Between the World and Me, won the National Book Award, and was spoofed on SNL. He's writing the (awesome) Black Panther series for Marvel. He's a certified …

Stripe CEO Patrick Collison on management, rationalism, and the enlightenment

December 6th, 2016


Patrick Collison is the 28-year-old CEO of Stripe, the online payments company that was just valued at $9 billion.Haven't heard of Stripe? You've …

Award-winning chef José Andrés on cooking, creativity, and learning from the best

November 29th, 2016


José Andrés isn't just a chef. He's a force. All that talk of how DC is now a hot dining scene? Andrés deserves more than a bit of the credit. He's …

Heather McGhee returns to talk Trump, race, and empathy

November 22nd, 2016


There are few episodes of this show that people loved as much as my conversation with Heather McGhee, president of the think tank Demos. Our first …

Ron Brownstein: Clinton didn’t lose because of the white working class

November 15th, 2016


Why did Hillary Clinton lose the election? Why did Donald Trump win it? And why was the polling so completely wrong?No one digs deeper into the …

David Frum on the 2016 election, and the long decline of the GOP

November 6th, 2016


We’re bringing the Ezra Klein Show to you a little early this week because, well, there's an election coming in a few days. And we wanted to talk about it. The 2016 election is the product of profound failures on the …

Deborah Tannen on gendered speech, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and you

November 1st, 2016


To understand the 2012 election, you had to ask a political scientist. To understand the 2016 election, you need to call a linguist.At least, I did. …

Joseph Stiglitz on broken markets, bad trade deals, and basic incomes

October 25th, 2016


This week’s guest is a Nobel Prize winner. We like to sprinkle those in every so often. Joseph Stiglitz revolutionized how economists understood …

Let's talk about Hillary Clinton's policy ideas, with Jonathan Cohn

October 18th, 2016


The overwhelming focus of this election has been Donald Trump — the things he does, says, tweets. But the next president is likely to be Hillary Clinton. And we've put a lot less effort into understanding her lengthy, …

Francis Fukuyama on whether America's democracy is decaying

October 11th, 2016


Francis Fukuyama is a political scientist, a public intellectual, and progenitor of the famed "End of History" thesis. But his recent work is his …

Tyler Cowen interviews Ezra Klein about politics, media, and more

October 6th, 2016


A number of you have asked that we turn the tables and have someone interview me for the show. So when Tyler Cowen — economist at George Mason …

The best conversation I’ve had about the election, with Molly Ball

October 4th, 2016


This election season has left pretty much everything I thought I knew about politics in doubt. Both parties nominated unpopular candidates, even when …

HHS Secretary Sylvia Matthews Burwell on running Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid

September 27th, 2016


This week, I've turned over the mic to The Weeds' Sarah Kliff. She went to Capitol Hill to interview HHS Secretary Sylvia Burwell about all things …

Dr. Leana Wen on why the opposite of poverty is health

September 20th, 2016


There are a couple of ideas that drive how I see policy and politics. One of them is that most of what drives health outcomes has nothing to do with …

Arlie Hochschild on how America feels to Trump supporters

September 13th, 2016


I’ve been reading sociologist Arlie Hochschild’s writing for about a decade now. Her immersive projects have revolutionized how we understand labor, …

Stewart Butterfield on creating Slack, learning from games, and finding your online identity

September 6th, 2016


If you came by the Vox office, you would find it oddly quiet. That's not because we don't like each other, or because we're not social, or because we …

W. Kamau Bell on the lessons of parenthood, Twitter, and fame

August 30th, 2016


W. Kamau Bell is a comedian and a writer. But you probably know him from one of his podcasts(Denzel Washington Is The Greatest Actor Of All Time …

Malcolm Gladwell on the danger of joining consensus opinions

August 23rd, 2016


Malcolm Gladwell needs no introduction (though if you didn't know the famed author has launched a podcast, you should — it's called Revisionist …

Grant Gordon on studying the world's worst conflicts

August 16th, 2016


Grant Gordon is a political scientist and policymaker who specializes in humanitarian intervention. He’s a fellow at the Stanford Center on …

Melissa Bell on starting Vox, managing media, and connecting newsrooms

August 9th, 2016


I first started working with Melissa Bell at the Washington Post. I was trying to launch a new product — Wonkblog — and I needed some design work done. Melissa wasn't a designer. She wasn't a coder. She didn't manage …

Atul Gawande on surgery, writing, Obamacare, and indie music

August 2nd, 2016


I've wanted to do this interview for a long, long time.Atul Gawande is a surgeon at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. He's a professor in the Department …

Trevor Noah, host of The Daily Show

July 26th, 2016


This is a serious conversation with a very funny man.Trevor Noah is the host of Comedy Central's the Daily Show. He's also a stand-up comic who grew up in apartheid South Africa, the son of a black mother and a white …

Conservative intellectual Yuval Levin on how the Republican Party lost its way

July 19th, 2016


Yuval Levin has been called "the most influential conservative intellectual of the Obama era," and the moniker fits. As editor of National Affairs — …

Hillary Clinton. Yes, that Hillary Clinton.

July 12th, 2016


My interview this week is with Hillary Clinton. You may have heard of her.I won't bore you with Clinton's bio. Instead, I want to say a few words about what this interview is, as it's a bit different than the EK Show's …

Patrick Brown on plant-meat that bleeds and the science of flavor

July 5th, 2016


Not long ago, I had the chance to eat a burger from a company called Impossible Foods. The burger was delicious. It was juicy, savory, and bloody. Oh, and it was made from plants.Yes, they've created a veggie burger …

Heather McGhee on what Democrats get wrong about racism

June 28th, 2016


Heather McGhee is the president of the think tank Demos, and one of the most interesting thinkers today on the intersection of racism and economic inequality.Among Heather's most interesting arguments is her belief that …

Jesse Eisenberg on Jewish humor, writing lessons, and interrogating strangers

June 21st, 2016


My guest on this episode is Jesse Eisenberg — who you may know as Lex Luthor in Batman V. Superman, Mark Zuckerberg in The Social Network, or Daniel Atlas in the just-released Now You See Me 2.I was apprehensive about …

Jessica Valenti on honesty, internet trolls, and modern feminism

June 14th, 2016


Jessica Valenti is the founder of Feministing, a columnist at the Guardian, and the author of the new book "Sex Object." She's also a friend from the …

Moby on how cheap rent leads to great art

June 7th, 2016


Moby's new memoir, Porcelain, is a great read for policy wonks. Really.It's less a history of music than a history of New York in the 80s and 90s, …

Secretary of Labor (and maybe VP?) Tom Perez

May 31st, 2016


Tom Perez is President Obama's Secretary of Labor. He is also, according to the New York Times, on Hillary Clinton's shortlist for the vice presidency.I spoke with Perez about his path to the Labor Department, the …

Andrew Sullivan on quitting blogging, fearing political correctness, and Donald Trump

May 24th, 2016


Last year, Andrew Sullivan quit blogging — the medium he had done so much to create. And you know what? He was pretty damn happy about it. He was …

Alice Rivlin, queen of Washington's budget wonks

May 17th, 2016


There is no budget wonk in Washington with a resume as thick as Alice Rivlin's. She was the founding director of the Congressional Budget Office. She was the director of President Bill Clinton's Office of Management and …

Arianna Huffington on sleep, death, and social media

May 10th, 2016


Arianna Huffington is, of course, the editor and namesake of the Huffington Post, one of the true juggernauts of the new media world. But her path to that position has been a winding one. She was a prominent …

Robert Reich on supporting Bernie Sanders, dating Hillary Clinton, and fighting inequality

May 3rd, 2016


You could fill a podcast just reciting Robert Reich's biography. Rhodes Scholar. Assistant to U.S. Solicitor General Robert Bork. Director of policy …

Bruce Friedrich on how technology will reduce animal suffering

April 26th, 2016


When I first met Bruce Friedrich, he was running PETA's awareness campaigns. Yeah, those campaigns — the ones where naked people stuffed themselves in saran wrap and cages, and where wounded chickens limped outside …

Ben Thompson on how to make it in media in 2016

April 19th, 2016


Note: If you saw this twice, this is a reissue of a previous episode, with corrected audio.Since starting his site Stratechery in 2013, Ben Thompson …

Ben Thompson on how the media business is changing

April 19th, 2016


Note: There was a technical issue with the first upload of this show, please re-download if you got to it early.Since starting his site Stratechery in 2013, Ben Thompson has established himself as one of the smartest …

Grover Norquist explains what it takes to change American politics

April 12th, 2016


This is an interview you all have been asking for since day one. Grover Norquist is the head of Americans for Tax Reform, the creator of the …

Neera Tanden on what it's like to work for Hillary Clinton

April 5th, 2016


Neera Tanden is CEO of the Center for American Progress — perhaps the most influential left-leaning think tank in Washington. Before that, though, …

David Chang, head of the Momofuku empire

March 29th, 2016


David Chang has driven many of the most important food trends of the last decade. His Momofuku empire has put pork belly on your plate, ramen on your corner, and bagel bombs in your local coffee shop. He's received four …

Cory Booker on the spiritual dimension of politics

March 22nd, 2016


Cory Booker is a United States senator from New Jersey, the only vegan in Congress, and the author of the new book "United: Thoughts on Finding Common Ground and Advancing the Common Good". In this conversation, Ezra …

Michael Needham on the Republican Party's crack-up

March 15th, 2016


Want to understand what's happened to the Republican Party? Then listen to this discussion.Michael Needham is the CEO of Heritage Action for America, where he's been one of the activists at the center of the fight …

Jim Yong Kim on revolutionizing how we treat the world's poor

March 8th, 2016


This was an amazing interview.Jim Yong Kim is the president of the World Bank — the massive, multilateral institution dedicated to eradicating …

Theda Skocpol on how political scientists think differently about politics

March 1st, 2016


Political science is a misunderstood discipline. It's often laughed off by people who think it's ridiculous that something as human and contingent …

Bill Gates on stopping climate change, building robots, and the best books he's read

February 23rd, 2016


Bill Gates is one of those people for whom "needs no introduction" is actually true. The polymathic Microsoft founder now leads the world's largest …

How lobbying works, with super-lobbyist Tony Podesta

February 16th, 2016


When the New York Times profiled Tony Podesta, the headline was simply: "Tony Podesta, superlobbyist." Podesta is head of the Podesta group, and …

Rachel Maddow on skinhead rallies, AIDS activism, and why she doesn't read op-eds

February 9th, 2016


Rachel Maddow is, of course, the host of MSNBC's top-rated, Emmy-award winning primetime news show and the bestselling author of "Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power." But Maddow took a winding path to cable …

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February 4th, 2016


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